No Russian Collusion? What now?

[buckeye45_73]

Wrong.
That is a total misunderstanding not only of the campaign finance reform laws, but laws in general.
It does not matter at all if blackmail influences the outcome of an election.
There is no legal jurisdiction to prevent things from influencing the outcome of an election.
All there is under legal principles, is the authority to prevent one side from tying up all the media with huge hidden purchases of media time, by investors expecting a quid pro quo from their investment.
Money spent on blackmail does not at all unfairly prevent other competing candidates from accessing media at reasonable prices.
So there is absolutely NO legal justification for attempting to interfere with a candidates right to privacy, by paying blackmail.
And the Citizen's United ruling has pretty much even made foreign campaign contributions legal now, as long as they are funneled through a multi national corporation with US investments.

Again, attempting to make blackmail illegal is a crime by being complicit with blackmailer, after the fact.

The John Edwards case shows how corrupt and stupid it is to attempt to criminalize paying campaign blackmail, because obviously Edwards was freed on a hung jury that was intent on jury nullification. No rational juror would ever convict anyone for paying campaign blackmail.

LOLOL

Making up more shit, are ya? If it's of value to the campaign, it can be a campaign contribution. And silencing a porn star a week before the election about an affair is certainly of value to the campaign. $130,000 worth of value. And of course, Cohen plead guilty to the crime.

No its not.
Something of value is NOT possible to regulate by law.
For example, a PAC can run commercials for you, which help the campaign, and are of value to the campaign, but they do NOT have to be declared, disclosed, or stay within the individual contribution limits.
There is absolutely no way any legislation attempting to prevent people from doing this to aid a campaign could ever be legal.
All you can do is to make sure there is full disclosure of funds that can be used to monopolize media.

A candidate has a right to be free of blackmail and their sexual privacy being violated.
So the blackmail pay off does NOT advance the campaign, but merely puts it back to where it is supposed to be, by law.

Again, Edwards was not convicted, even though he did exactly the same thing, and there was absolutely no doubt he did it.
Sure Cohen plead guilty, but that is because he is stupid and does not understand law.
Apparently you do not understand law either.
Sounds like you are a lawyer?

Your example of a PAC is ludicrous. A PAC didn't pay to silence a porn star -- trump's personal attorney did. And he paid her $130,000; for which he plead guilty to violating campaign finance laws.

It does not matter what PACs pay for. There is nothing at all illegal about paying blackmail, and there is nothing criminal about trying to prevent blackmail from succeeding. Something is only criminal when it harms someone. Who was harmed?
Cohen is a fool for pleading guilty when he would never have been convicted by any jury on the planet.

It has nothing to do with anyone being harmed or blackmail; and everything to do with trump failing to report money he spent on his campaign.

First it's a stupid law that no one cares about or at most has to pay a fine
Second of all it had nothing to do with the campaign......

Try again.....you'll get him next time!

 

[buckeye45_73]

No its not.
Something of value is NOT possible to regulate by law.
For example, a PAC can run commercials for you, which help the campaign, and are of value to the campaign, but they do NOT have to be declared, disclosed, or stay within the individual contribution limits.
There is absolutely no way any legislation attempting to prevent people from doing this to aid a campaign could ever be legal.
All you can do is to make sure there is full disclosure of funds that can be used to monopolize media.

A candidate has a right to be free of blackmail and their sexual privacy being violated.
So the blackmail pay off does NOT advance the campaign, but merely puts it back to where it is supposed to be, by law.

Again, Edwards was not convicted, even though he did exactly the same thing, and there was absolutely no doubt he did it.
Sure Cohen plead guilty, but that is because he is stupid and does not understand law.
Apparently you do not understand law either.
Sounds like you are a lawyer?

Your example of a PAC is ludicrous. A PAC didn't pay to silence a porn star -- trump's personal attorney did. And he paid her $130,000; for which he plead guilty to violating campaign finance laws.

It does not matter what PACs pay for. There is nothing at all illegal about paying blackmail, and there is nothing criminal about trying to prevent blackmail from succeeding. Something is only criminal when it harms someone. Who was harmed?
Cohen is a fool for pleading guilty when he would never have been convicted by any jury on the planet.

It has nothing to do with anyone being harmed or blackmail; and everything to do with trump failing to report money he spent on his campaign.

Failing to report something when no one is being harmed by it, is like a parking ticket. It is not a crime.
Again, that is why the jury deadlocked on any time this sort of prosecution has been tried.
It will never work because the prosecutor then becomes an accomplice in blackmail.

You’re making shit up again. Here, watch this.... cite the section of the FEC law which relieves a candidate of criminal intent of failing to report campaign expenses if no one is harmed by such payments.......

Prove it was a campaign expense
and if you do....Trump can do what every other pol has done, pay a fine....

 

[buckeye45_73]

It does not matter what PACs pay for. There is nothing at all illegal about paying blackmail, and there is nothing criminal about trying to prevent blackmail from succeeding. Something is only criminal when it harms someone. Who was harmed?
Cohen is a fool for pleading guilty when he would never have been convicted by any jury on the planet.

It has nothing to do with anyone being harmed or blackmail; and everything to do with trump failing to report money he spent on his campaign.

Failing to report something when no one is being harmed by it, is like a parking ticket. It is not a crime.
Again, that is why the jury deadlocked on any time this sort of prosecution has been tried.
It will never work because the prosecutor then becomes an accomplice in blackmail.

You’re making shit up again. Here, watch this.... cite the section of the FEC law which relieves a candidate of criminal intent of failing to report campaign expenses if no one is harmed by such payments.......

You clearly do NOT understand how law works.
The FEC does not have the authority to pass law or regulations that can force someone to disclose blackmail payments, ever.
In a democratic republic, there can never legally be a law that is not based on what is needed for the defense of individual rights.
So then in order to penalize payment secrecy to Stormy Daniels, one would have to prove they harmed someone.
That can't be done.
It does not at all matter what some legislator claims some legislation says.
If legislation does not protect rights so it can be justified as essential, then the legislation is abusive and illegal.

“You clearly do NOT understand how law works.
The FEC does not have the authority to pass law or regulations that can force someone to disclose blackmail payments, ever.”

Unreal. Now you’re making shit up again. Of course there are laws governing elections....

Federal Election Campaign Laws

.... so g’head.... cite the section of the FEC law which relieves a candidate of criminal intent of failing to report campaign expenses if no one is harmed by such payments....... or you’re exposed as once again trying to win a debate by making shit up......

It's not been proven it was a campaign expense.......

 

[buckeye45_73]

Hard to believe Cohen is actually a lawyer.
It seems he plead guilty to something that is not even a crime, paying blackmail.
The John Edwards case showed the jury was having none of it.
Clearly campaign finance laws only have jurisdiction over someone monopolizing media, not paying blackmail.
You can NEVER criminalize paying blackmail because that makes you complicit in the blackmail.

paying that cash was a campaign violation because its revelation could have influenced the election outcome.

Wrong.
That is a total misunderstanding not only of the campaign finance reform laws, but laws in general.
It does not matter at all if blackmail influences the outcome of an election.
There is no legal jurisdiction to prevent things from influencing the outcome of an election.
All there is under legal principles, is the authority to prevent one side from tying up all the media with huge hidden purchases of media time, by investors expecting a quid pro quo from their investment.
Money spent on blackmail does not at all unfairly prevent other competing candidates from accessing media at reasonable prices.
So there is absolutely NO legal justification for attempting to interfere with a candidates right to privacy, by paying blackmail.
And the Citizen's United ruling has pretty much even made foreign campaign contributions legal now, as long as they are funneled through a multi national corporation with US investments.

Again, attempting to make blackmail illegal is a crime by being complicit with blackmailer, after the fact.

The John Edwards case shows how corrupt and stupid it is to attempt to criminalize paying campaign blackmail, because obviously Edwards was freed on a hung jury that was intent on jury nullification. No rational juror would ever convict anyone for paying campaign blackmail.

'eh... that's the least of his problems anyhow.

He already plead guilty, so now there is no defense left.

i meant donny. those hush money payoffs are the least of the problems he's created. hell, even the pee pee tape - if it exists - pales in comparison with the real charges he's facing.

wow, you really believe that tape exists...then you are insane

 

[buckeye45_73]

I stand behind President Trump 100%[emoji631]


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lol.... tribbles is the one standing behind you............

No idea what you mean nor care lol


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... while you grab your ankles..............

Why would I grab my ankles BEHIND Trump? .......oh because you’re behind me kissing my ass beta boy?[emoji182]


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lol... you don't follow posts very well i see.

'beta boy'? ... you couldn't be more mistaken.......................

this is a guy who believes the pee pee story, sorry if no one takes you seriously....wait not sorry

 

[Flash]

No Russian collusion.

No impeachment.

What are you stupid Moon Bats gonna do now?

Cry? Wail at the sky? Run to your safe place? March around in your pink pussy hats?

Sorry your girl lost.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump can do what every other pol has done, pay a fine..

Not when it's a felony.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Trump can do what every other pol has done, pay a fine..

Not when it's a felony.

What makes it a felony?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump can do what every other pol has done, pay a fine..

Not when it's a felony.

What makes it a felony?

The intent, I believe.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Trump can do what every other pol has done, pay a fine..

Not when it's a felony.

What makes it a felony?

The intent, I believe.

Wait what? He paid off a golddigger like most celebrities....even if you can link it to the campaign (which I doubt will happen), I would figure maybe the amount, but even then it's just an amount and not impeachable.

 

[MAGAman]

Now that Cohen has been revealed as a total nothing-burger, what shall we do next?

Should we pretend Cohen never happened and continue the collusion narrative, promising an impending Mueller "bombshell"? Or shall we take a different, wiser tangent? One thing is certain, Trump is GUILTY and UNFIT, and something must be done. Even a Republican like me knows that!

So in true bipartisan spirit, I've compiled some possibilities that should be considered. I've run these through the same computer used to predict global warming, so the actual probabilities are included. They're 100% accurate, you can trust me:

• Trump is an alien from the planet Flaflooga, sent to take over the Earth with his mind-ray: 87%
• Trump is literally Hitler, thawed from cryogenic suspension and here to establish the New Reich: 92%
• A Genuine Birth Certificate will be found proving that Trump is a Russian national (how ironic!): 41%
• Cancelled checks from Trump to Putin with the memo "Thanks for the boost" will surface: 78%
• Trump and Pence will both get "an offer they can't refuse" from Kim: 18%
• Pelosi and Schumer will prove that Trump is actually their 17 year old love child: 29%
• AOC will tweet a clapback so stunning that Trump will resign in shame: 65%

As you can see, there is at least a 410% chance that Trump should not be President. I'm sure there are more possibilities, but the computer overheated. This should take us well past 2020.

You're welcome, Democrats!

I guess I watched a different public hearing than you did, but I distinctly heard Cohen say that he heard Donald Trump take a phone call from Roger Stone coordinating with him over the WikiLeaks releases of damaging info on Clinton, AND Trump taking a call from Junior about the Trump Tower meeting with Russians BEFORE the meeting.

Just in case you missed it - everything about the Trump Tower meeting is the very definition of "collusion".

The ONLY thing Cohen couldn't testify to was whether Trump was actually issuing the instructions to Stone and Junior to do these things, and while it would appear highly unlikely that Trump wasn't directing these illegal acts, he definitely knew about them, did nothing to stop them, and was openly and publically benefitting from them.

Hahaha... You Leftists grasping at straws to feed your hatred is just 2 funny.

There was never a single shred of evidence of Trump Russian collusion to effect the election. Never. None.

Speaking to a Russian and putting Russian dressing on your salad while watching a Russian ballet is ok.

Even wild eyed Shifft is looking for new lies to tell.

 

[Dragonlady]

Now that Cohen has been revealed as a total nothing-burger, what shall we do next?

Should we pretend Cohen never happened and continue the collusion narrative, promising an impending Mueller "bombshell"? Or shall we take a different, wiser tangent? One thing is certain, Trump is GUILTY and UNFIT, and something must be done. Even a Republican like me knows that!

So in true bipartisan spirit, I've compiled some possibilities that should be considered. I've run these through the same computer used to predict global warming, so the actual probabilities are included. They're 100% accurate, you can trust me:

• Trump is an alien from the planet Flaflooga, sent to take over the Earth with his mind-ray: 87%
• Trump is literally Hitler, thawed from cryogenic suspension and here to establish the New Reich: 92%
• A Genuine Birth Certificate will be found proving that Trump is a Russian national (how ironic!): 41%
• Cancelled checks from Trump to Putin with the memo "Thanks for the boost" will surface: 78%
• Trump and Pence will both get "an offer they can't refuse" from Kim: 18%
• Pelosi and Schumer will prove that Trump is actually their 17 year old love child: 29%
• AOC will tweet a clapback so stunning that Trump will resign in shame: 65%

As you can see, there is at least a 410% chance that Trump should not be President. I'm sure there are more possibilities, but the computer overheated. This should take us well past 2020.

You're welcome, Democrats!

I guess I watched a different public hearing than you did, but I distinctly heard Cohen say that he heard Donald Trump take a phone call from Roger Stone coordinating with him over the WikiLeaks releases of damaging info on Clinton, AND Trump taking a call from Junior about the Trump Tower meeting with Russians BEFORE the meeting.

Just in case you missed it - everything about the Trump Tower meeting is the very definition of "collusion".

The ONLY thing Cohen couldn't testify to was whether Trump was actually issuing the instructions to Stone and Junior to do these things, and while it would appear highly unlikely that Trump wasn't directing these illegal acts, he definitely knew about them, did nothing to stop them, and was openly and publically benefitting from them.

Hahaha... You Leftists grasping at straws to feed your hatred is just 2 funny.

There was never a single shred of evidence of Trump Russian collusion to effect the election. Never. None.

Speaking to a Russian and putting Russian dressing on your salad while watching a Russian ballet is ok.

Even wild eyed Shifft is looking for new lies to tell.

There is no hatred. There is just the cold hard facts. Your lying asshole of a President is an agent of Russia, unwittingly of course. He's not smart enough to have done it deliberately.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

even if you can link it to the campaign (which I doubt will happen)

Um...that has already happened. In a federal court. Someone is going to prison for it. Are you serious right now....?

 

[Lesh]

Manafort is linked to collusion in indictments.

Stone is linked to wikileaks (at least in indictments as well as someone "above him". Wikileaks has been linked to Russian GRU (military intel)

So yea..the campaign HAS been linked to collusion with the Russians

 

[buckeye45_73]

even if you can link it to the campaign (which I doubt will happen)

Um...that has already happened. In a federal court. Someone is going to prison for it. Are you serious right now....?

What was the link?
a known liar to get reduced time does not count as a "link"
we'll need more than Michael Cohen's word (Which he used to say it DID NOT have anything to do with the campaign)

 

[Faun]

LOLOL

Making up more shit, are ya? If it's of value to the campaign, it can be a campaign contribution. And silencing a porn star a week before the election about an affair is certainly of value to the campaign. $130,000 worth of value. And of course, Cohen plead guilty to the crime.

No its not.
Something of value is NOT possible to regulate by law.
For example, a PAC can run commercials for you, which help the campaign, and are of value to the campaign, but they do NOT have to be declared, disclosed, or stay within the individual contribution limits.
There is absolutely no way any legislation attempting to prevent people from doing this to aid a campaign could ever be legal.
All you can do is to make sure there is full disclosure of funds that can be used to monopolize media.

A candidate has a right to be free of blackmail and their sexual privacy being violated.
So the blackmail pay off does NOT advance the campaign, but merely puts it back to where it is supposed to be, by law.

Again, Edwards was not convicted, even though he did exactly the same thing, and there was absolutely no doubt he did it.
Sure Cohen plead guilty, but that is because he is stupid and does not understand law.
Apparently you do not understand law either.
Sounds like you are a lawyer?

Your example of a PAC is ludicrous. A PAC didn't pay to silence a porn star -- trump's personal attorney did. And he paid her $130,000; for which he plead guilty to violating campaign finance laws.

It does not matter what PACs pay for. There is nothing at all illegal about paying blackmail, and there is nothing criminal about trying to prevent blackmail from succeeding. Something is only criminal when it harms someone. Who was harmed?
Cohen is a fool for pleading guilty when he would never have been convicted by any jury on the planet.

It has nothing to do with anyone being harmed or blackmail; and everything to do with trump failing to report money he spent on his campaign.

First it's a stupid law that no one cares about or at most has to pay a fine
Second of all it had nothing to do with the campaign......

Try again.....you'll get him next time!

LOLOL

I have no need to try again — it’s the law no matter how much that bothers you.

 

[Faun]

Your example of a PAC is ludicrous. A PAC didn't pay to silence a porn star -- trump's personal attorney did. And he paid her $130,000; for which he plead guilty to violating campaign finance laws.

It does not matter what PACs pay for. There is nothing at all illegal about paying blackmail, and there is nothing criminal about trying to prevent blackmail from succeeding. Something is only criminal when it harms someone. Who was harmed?
Cohen is a fool for pleading guilty when he would never have been convicted by any jury on the planet.

It has nothing to do with anyone being harmed or blackmail; and everything to do with trump failing to report money he spent on his campaign.

Failing to report something when no one is being harmed by it, is like a parking ticket. It is not a crime.
Again, that is why the jury deadlocked on any time this sort of prosecution has been tried.
It will never work because the prosecutor then becomes an accomplice in blackmail.

You’re making shit up again. Here, watch this.... cite the section of the FEC law which relieves a candidate of criminal intent of failing to report campaign expenses if no one is harmed by such payments.......

Prove it was a campaign expense
and if you do....Trump can do what every other pol has done, pay a fine....

There was no other purpose for the campaign donation. That’s corroborated by the man who made the donation. It’s also been reported that if wasn’t reported. And yes, if charged with that crime, Trump will have to pay a fine like most others have had to do.

 

[Faun]

Trump can do what every other pol has done, pay a fine..

Not when it's a felony.

What makes it a felony?

The intent, I believe.

Wait what? He paid off a golddigger like most celebrities....even if you can link it to the campaign (which I doubt will happen), I would figure maybe the amount, but even then it's just an amount and not impeachable.

Most celebrities aren’t running for public office where they’re compelled by law to report donations.

 

[Lesh]

Now that Cohen has been revealed as a total nothing-burger, what shall we do next?

Should we pretend Cohen never happened and continue the collusion narrative, promising an impending Mueller "bombshell"? Or shall we take a different, wiser tangent? One thing is certain, Trump is GUILTY and UNFIT, and something must be done. Even a Republican like me knows that!

So in true bipartisan spirit, I've compiled some possibilities that should be considered. I've run these through the same computer used to predict global warming, so the actual probabilities are included. They're 100% accurate, you can trust me:

• Trump is an alien from the planet Flaflooga, sent to take over the Earth with his mind-ray: 87%
• Trump is literally Hitler, thawed from cryogenic suspension and here to establish the New Reich: 92%
• A Genuine Birth Certificate will be found proving that Trump is a Russian national (how ironic!): 41%
• Cancelled checks from Trump to Putin with the memo "Thanks for the boost" will surface: 78%
• Trump and Pence will both get "an offer they can't refuse" from Kim: 18%
• Pelosi and Schumer will prove that Trump is actually their 17 year old love child: 29%
• AOC will tweet a clapback so stunning that Trump will resign in shame: 65%

As you can see, there is at least a 410% chance that Trump should not be President. I'm sure there are more possibilities, but the computer overheated. This should take us well past 2020.

You're welcome, Democrats!

I guess I watched a different public hearing than you did, but I distinctly heard Cohen say that he heard Donald Trump take a phone call from Roger Stone coordinating with him over the WikiLeaks releases of damaging info on Clinton, AND Trump taking a call from Junior about the Trump Tower meeting with Russians BEFORE the meeting.

Just in case you missed it - everything about the Trump Tower meeting is the very definition of "collusion".

The ONLY thing Cohen couldn't testify to was whether Trump was actually issuing the instructions to Stone and Junior to do these things, and while it would appear highly unlikely that Trump wasn't directing these illegal acts, he definitely knew about them, did nothing to stop them, and was openly and publically benefitting from them.

Hahaha... You Leftists grasping at straws to feed your hatred is just 2 funny.

There was never a single shred of evidence of Trump Russian collusion to effect the election. Never. None.

Speaking to a Russian and putting Russian dressing on your salad while watching a Russian ballet is ok.

Even wild eyed Shifft is looking for new lies to tell.

There is no hatred. There is just the cold hard facts. Your lying asshole of a President is an agent of Russia, unwittingly of course. He's not smart enough to have done it deliberately.

He may not have had a choice. If he was co opted...Putin could be hanging that over him.

 

[Lesh]

It does not matter what PACs pay for. There is nothing at all illegal about paying blackmail, and there is nothing criminal about trying to prevent blackmail from succeeding. Something is only criminal when it harms someone. Who was harmed?
Cohen is a fool for pleading guilty when he would never have been convicted by any jury on the planet.

It has nothing to do with anyone being harmed or blackmail; and everything to do with trump failing to report money he spent on his campaign.

Failing to report something when no one is being harmed by it, is like a parking ticket. It is not a crime.
Again, that is why the jury deadlocked on any time this sort of prosecution has been tried.
It will never work because the prosecutor then becomes an accomplice in blackmail.

You’re making shit up again. Here, watch this.... cite the section of the FEC law which relieves a candidate of criminal intent of failing to report campaign expenses if no one is harmed by such payments.......

Prove it was a campaign expense
and if you do....Trump can do what every other pol has done, pay a fine....

There was no other purpose for the campaign donation. That’s corroborated by the man who made the donation. It’s also been reported that if wasn’t reported. And yes, if charged with that crime, Trump will have to pay a fine like most others have had to do.

Depending on the type and amount of the donation and if a conspiracy is shown...the penalties are greater than fines.

Cohen is going to jail in part because of that. His jail time would have been greater had he not cooperated