North Charleston : Thug robs Waffle House; Concealed carry citizen shoots him. Crime solved!

[westwall]

Remember this though ?

Apparently, you missed the end of that story, Digit. Waffle House refused to serve the armed soldier because he had been in a fight in their parking lot the week before. if you don't believe me, Google it.

Apparently you missed this:

The owner of the Nicholasville Waffle House released this statement:

“For many years we have had a ‘No Firearms’ policy in place in our restaurants. We continue to believe this is the best policy for the safety of our customers and associates.”

Good for them, and I agree with their policy. I ALSO would not allow a customer in my place of business to be armed after having been involved in a fight in the parking lot. All in all, I would say that Waffle House has a very good policy.As for some vigilante exchanging fire with a robber while I am eating breakfast there, I don't trust his aim and judgment any more than I trust the robber's intentions. I would prefer that people play Charles Bronson somewhere else, thank you.

That's a pretty absurd statement. The soldier has to qualify due to his military service AND he has to qualify for his CCW. The criminal on the other hand has a weapon, and is engaging in a violent crime and you think the soldier is as big a threat? You're a loon dude.

CCW qualification is a joke. Do you know a single person who paid the money but failed the qualification? Of course you don't. CCW just means you paid the money and sat in a very short class. It doesn't mean you aren't as likely to shoot an innocent bystander as your target.

I agree. But it is mandatory. I have attended multiple combat pistol classes at Gunsite and will happily put my skills up against anyone.

 

[westwall]

Apparently, you missed the end of that story, Digit. Waffle House refused to serve the armed soldier because he had been in a fight in their parking lot the week before. if you don't believe me, Google it.

Apparently you missed this:

The owner of the Nicholasville Waffle House released this statement:

“For many years we have had a ‘No Firearms’ policy in place in our restaurants. We continue to believe this is the best policy for the safety of our customers and associates.”

Good for them, and I agree with their policy. I ALSO would not allow a customer in my place of business to be armed after having been involved in a fight in the parking lot. All in all, I would say that Waffle House has a very good policy.As for some vigilante exchanging fire with a robber while I am eating breakfast there, I don't trust his aim and judgment any more than I trust the robber's intentions. I would prefer that people play Charles Bronson somewhere else, thank you.

That's a pretty absurd statement. The soldier has to qualify due to his military service AND he has to qualify for his CCW. The criminal on the other hand has a weapon, and is engaging in a violent crime and you think the soldier is as big a threat? You're a loon dude.

CCW qualification is a joke. Do you know a single person who paid the money but failed the qualification? Of course you don't. CCW just means you paid the money and sat in a very short class. It doesn't mean you aren't as likely to shoot an innocent bystander as your target.

In AZ, where I live, there is no "Qualification". You fill out a form, write a check, and walk out with a CCW. Since even that is not required here, few people even bother to do that. Nevada stoped reciprocating CCW authorizations with AZ on CCW's.

Yup. Nevada requires you to demonstrate a level of skill with your weapon.

 

[2aguy]

bucs, you consider yourself to be a good guy who knows how to handle a gun, but I don't know you from jack shit. If you are in my vicinity, and start firing at someone , as far as I am concerned you are as deadly to me as a rattlesnake, and you have not demonstrated to me that you know the difference between a safety switch and the trigger mechanism. Cops are trained to assess the situation to try to determine which of two shooters, if either one, is the good guy and the bad guy. The have to do it in a split second. When civilians start playing Charles Bronson, the likelihood of an innocent bystander taking a round skyrockets. I carry a 9 MM, but only when I am on my bike out in the desert. if I stop for coffee in the middle of nowhere, and you and someone else want to have a shootout, I may very well mistake you for the bad guy. Just sayin' bucko.....

How many times has a CWP been shot by a fellow good guy while trying to stop a crime???? Link it.

You may be the first to be able to answer that question if you draw and start shooting at someone while I am having my coffee.

Then you are too irresponsible to carry a gun. A responsible gun owner would never draw and fire without being CERTAIN of the situation. If I were to do so....the situation would have to be obvious or else i wouldn't draw. No responsible CWP would. Meaning....if it was in the same room as you...it should ALSO be obvious to you too....if you were aware of your surroundings.

However...if you're carrying....but aren't paying enough attention to your surroundings to see the obvious....then you're too stupid to carry.

So please do us all a favor. Pay the fuck attention when carrying or stop carrying.

As we've always said...we support RESPONSIBLE gun carrying. You obviously and admittedly don't have the situational awareness needed to responsibly carry. So dont.

So, you are quietly drinking your coffee, and suddenly two guys on each side of you draw and start firing at each other. You are going to soberly access the situation before you decide who you are going to shoot at, and then you draw your gun.

Bull shit, and you know it. Put away your John Wayne hat. John Ford did not write the script of your life.

As for being a responsible gun owner, I elected to go through the same training that cops go through, as A Sheriff Auxiliary Volunteer, so come back and tell me that again, when you have done the same.

Big fucking deal. Law enforcement training concentrates on report writing, interpretation of the law and social work. However they spend precious little time on firearms training. To the modern day law enforcement administrator the gun is a tool on the belt and a little used one at that. I have spent decades with law enforcement and have watched the steady decline in firearms skills of those who graduate from the academy. When I was in the Bay Area there were maybe 5 cops who could shoot as good as me. All of them had gone through Coopers Gunsite training on their own dime and that's where we met.

You're nothing but a blowhard who knows nothing. We can call you the Jon Snow of USMB!

I have a relative who is a detective....he says at his department they must qualify once a year.....and it is the honor code...they qualify on their own........

 

[westwall]

bucs, you consider yourself to be a good guy who knows how to handle a gun, but I don't know you from jack shit. If you are in my vicinity, and start firing at someone , as far as I am concerned you are as deadly to me as a rattlesnake, and you have not demonstrated to me that you know the difference between a safety switch and the trigger mechanism. Cops are trained to assess the situation to try to determine which of two shooters, if either one, is the good guy and the bad guy. The have to do it in a split second. When civilians start playing Charles Bronson, the likelihood of an innocent bystander taking a round skyrockets. I carry a 9 MM, but only when I am on my bike out in the desert. if I stop for coffee in the middle of nowhere, and you and someone else want to have a shootout, I may very well mistake you for the bad guy. Just sayin' bucko.....

That's because you clearly have ZERO situational awareness. You're really painting a picture of you that is far from complementary. Are you competent at ANYTHING?

 

[2aguy]

Apparently, you missed the end of that story, Digit. Waffle House refused to serve the armed soldier because he had been in a fight in their parking lot the week before. if you don't believe me, Google it.

Apparently you missed this:

The owner of the Nicholasville Waffle House released this statement:

“For many years we have had a ‘No Firearms’ policy in place in our restaurants. We continue to believe this is the best policy for the safety of our customers and associates.”

Good for them, and I agree with their policy. I ALSO would not allow a customer in my place of business to be armed after having been involved in a fight in the parking lot. All in all, I would say that Waffle House has a very good policy.As for some vigilante exchanging fire with a robber while I am eating breakfast there, I don't trust his aim and judgment any more than I trust the robber's intentions. I would prefer that people play Charles Bronson somewhere else, thank you.

That's a pretty absurd statement. The soldier has to qualify due to his military service AND he has to qualify for his CCW. The criminal on the other hand has a weapon, and is engaging in a violent crime and you think the soldier is as big a threat? You're a loon dude.

CCW qualification is a joke. Do you know a single person who paid the money but failed the qualification? Of course you don't. CCW just means you paid the money and sat in a very short class. It doesn't mean you aren't as likely to shoot an innocent bystander as your target.

I agree. But it is mandatory. I have attended multiple combat pistol classes at Gunsite and will happily put my skills up against anyone.

Do you know if the quality is the same as before....and have you trained with Massad Ayoob? I am looking for more training all the time and those two are the gold standard...any thoughts? What about the Sig academy?

 

[westwall]

How many times has a CWP been shot by a fellow good guy while trying to stop a crime???? Link it.

You may be the first to be able to answer that question if you draw and start shooting at someone while I am having my coffee.

Then you are too irresponsible to carry a gun. A responsible gun owner would never draw and fire without being CERTAIN of the situation. If I were to do so....the situation would have to be obvious or else i wouldn't draw. No responsible CWP would. Meaning....if it was in the same room as you...it should ALSO be obvious to you too....if you were aware of your surroundings.

However...if you're carrying....but aren't paying enough attention to your surroundings to see the obvious....then you're too stupid to carry.

So please do us all a favor. Pay the fuck attention when carrying or stop carrying.

As we've always said...we support RESPONSIBLE gun carrying. You obviously and admittedly don't have the situational awareness needed to responsibly carry. So dont.

So, you are quietly drinking your coffee, and suddenly two guys on each side of you draw and start firing at each other. You are going to soberly access the situation before you decide who you are going to shoot at, and then you draw your gun.

Bull shit, and you know it. Put away your John Wayne hat. John Ford did not write the script of your life.

As for being a responsible gun owner, I elected to go through the same training that cops go through, as A Sheriff Auxiliary Volunteer, so come back and tell me that again, when you have done the same.

Big fucking deal. Law enforcement training concentrates on report writing, interpretation of the law and social work. However they spend precious little time on firearms training. To the modern day law enforcement administrator the gun is a tool on the belt and a little used one at that. I have spent decades with law enforcement and have watched the steady decline in firearms skills of those who graduate from the academy. When I was in the Bay Area there were maybe 5 cops who could shoot as good as me. All of them had gone through Coopers Gunsite training on their own dime and that's where we met.

You're nothing but a blowhard who knows nothing. We can call you the Jon Snow of USMB!

I have a relative who is a detective....he says at his department they must qualify once a year.....and it is the honor code...they qualify on their own........

Yeah, I had a cop lecture me one time here so I challenged him to a contest at the local range. He brought his buddies (one of whom knew me) and after I utterly crushed him we all went out for pizza and beer. He bought, of course, and we spent the next two hours talking about shooting skills, how to get them, how to maintain them (very critical, marksmanship is a perishable skill) and how to not judge a book by its cover.

 

[westwall]

Apparently you missed this:

Good for them, and I agree with their policy. I ALSO would not allow a customer in my place of business to be armed after having been involved in a fight in the parking lot. All in all, I would say that Waffle House has a very good policy.As for some vigilante exchanging fire with a robber while I am eating breakfast there, I don't trust his aim and judgment any more than I trust the robber's intentions. I would prefer that people play Charles Bronson somewhere else, thank you.

That's a pretty absurd statement. The soldier has to qualify due to his military service AND he has to qualify for his CCW. The criminal on the other hand has a weapon, and is engaging in a violent crime and you think the soldier is as big a threat? You're a loon dude.

CCW qualification is a joke. Do you know a single person who paid the money but failed the qualification? Of course you don't. CCW just means you paid the money and sat in a very short class. It doesn't mean you aren't as likely to shoot an innocent bystander as your target.

I agree. But it is mandatory. I have attended multiple combat pistol classes at Gunsite and will happily put my skills up against anyone.

Do you know if the quality is the same as before....and have you trained with Massad Ayoob? I am looking for more training all the time and those two are the gold standard...any thoughts? What about the Sig academy?

No, the quality has dropped, they are still very, very good, but they don't teach the latest techniques. I talked with Massad one time and he came across as such an arrogant ass that I never took a class from him. Right now Rogers Shooting School is damned good as is Rangemaster in Memphis. If you are interested in competition then the best place to go is Universal Shooting Academy in Florida.

I have not attended the Sig academy but I hear through the grapevine that they are quite good. Frontsite, here in NV, sucks though.

 

[BULLDOG]

bucs, you consider yourself to be a good guy who knows how to handle a gun, but I don't know you from jack shit. If you are in my vicinity, and start firing at someone , as far as I am concerned you are as deadly to me as a rattlesnake, and you have not demonstrated to me that you know the difference between a safety switch and the trigger mechanism. Cops are trained to assess the situation to try to determine which of two shooters, if either one, is the good guy and the bad guy. The have to do it in a split second. When civilians start playing Charles Bronson, the likelihood of an innocent bystander taking a round skyrockets. I carry a 9 MM, but only when I am on my bike out in the desert. if I stop for coffee in the middle of nowhere, and you and someone else want to have a shootout, I may very well mistake you for the bad guy. Just sayin' bucko.....

How many times has a CWP been shot by a fellow good guy while trying to stop a crime???? Link it.

You may be the first to be able to answer that question if you draw and start shooting at someone while I am having my coffee.

Then you are too irresponsible to carry a gun. A responsible gun owner would never draw and fire without being CERTAIN of the situation. If I were to do so....the situation would have to be obvious or else i wouldn't draw. No responsible CWP would. Meaning....if it was in the same room as you...it should ALSO be obvious to you too....if you were aware of your surroundings.

However...if you're carrying....but aren't paying enough attention to your surroundings to see the obvious....then you're too stupid to carry.

So please do us all a favor. Pay the fuck attention when carrying or stop carrying.

As we've always said...we support RESPONSIBLE gun carrying. You obviously and admittedly don't have the situational awareness needed to responsibly carry. So dont.

So, you are quietly drinking your coffee, and suddenly two guys on each side of you draw and start firing at each other. You are going to soberly access the situation before you decide who you are going to shoot at, and then you draw your gun.

Bull shit, and you know it. Put away your John Wayne hat. John Ford did not write the script of your life.

As for being a responsible gun owner, I elected to go through the same training that cops go through, as A Sheriff Auxiliary Volunteer, so come back and tell me that again, when you have done the same.

Big fucking deal. Law enforcement training concentrates on report writing, interpretation of the law and social work. However they spend precious little time on firearms training. To the modern day law enforcement administrator the gun is a tool on the belt and a little used one at that. I have spent decades with law enforcement and have watched the steady decline in firearms skills of those who graduate from the academy. When I was in the Bay Area there were maybe 5 cops who could shoot as good as me. All of them had gone through Coopers Gunsite training on their own dime and that's where we met.

You're nothing but a blowhard who knows nothing. We can call you the Jon Snow of USMB!

That's a big part of the problem. Cops aren't getting the training they should, and their judgement is crap as a consequence.

 

[BULLDOG]

Apparently, you missed the end of that story, Digit. Waffle House refused to serve the armed soldier because he had been in a fight in their parking lot the week before. if you don't believe me, Google it.

Apparently you missed this:

The owner of the Nicholasville Waffle House released this statement:

“For many years we have had a ‘No Firearms’ policy in place in our restaurants. We continue to believe this is the best policy for the safety of our customers and associates.”

Good for them, and I agree with their policy. I ALSO would not allow a customer in my place of business to be armed after having been involved in a fight in the parking lot. All in all, I would say that Waffle House has a very good policy.As for some vigilante exchanging fire with a robber while I am eating breakfast there, I don't trust his aim and judgment any more than I trust the robber's intentions. I would prefer that people play Charles Bronson somewhere else, thank you.

That's a pretty absurd statement. The soldier has to qualify due to his military service AND he has to qualify for his CCW. The criminal on the other hand has a weapon, and is engaging in a violent crime and you think the soldier is as big a threat? You're a loon dude.

CCW qualification is a joke. Do you know a single person who paid the money but failed the qualification? Of course you don't. CCW just means you paid the money and sat in a very short class. It doesn't mean you aren't as likely to shoot an innocent bystander as your target.

I agree. But it is mandatory. I have attended multiple combat pistol classes at Gunsite and will happily put my skills up against anyone.

Good for you, but that doesn't make me feel better about some rambo wannabe who paid his money and wants to shoot what he thinks is a badguy as soon as he gets a chance. We both know there are a lot of those.

 

[BULLDOG]

Apparently you missed this:

Good for them, and I agree with their policy. I ALSO would not allow a customer in my place of business to be armed after having been involved in a fight in the parking lot. All in all, I would say that Waffle House has a very good policy.As for some vigilante exchanging fire with a robber while I am eating breakfast there, I don't trust his aim and judgment any more than I trust the robber's intentions. I would prefer that people play Charles Bronson somewhere else, thank you.

That's a pretty absurd statement. The soldier has to qualify due to his military service AND he has to qualify for his CCW. The criminal on the other hand has a weapon, and is engaging in a violent crime and you think the soldier is as big a threat? You're a loon dude.

CCW qualification is a joke. Do you know a single person who paid the money but failed the qualification? Of course you don't. CCW just means you paid the money and sat in a very short class. It doesn't mean you aren't as likely to shoot an innocent bystander as your target.

In AZ, where I live, there is no "Qualification". You fill out a form, write a check, and walk out with a CCW. Since even that is not required here, few people even bother to do that. Nevada stoped reciprocating CCW authorizations with AZ on CCW's.

Yup. Nevada requires you to demonstrate a level of skill with your weapon.

What level of skill? No time limit, and no limit on the times you repeat. You can keep shooting till the last shots fired add up to 70%. The only skill required is being able to pay the money.
Someone who had never seen a gun could plan on spending half a day to meet that standard.
CCW Reno Frequently Asked Questions

 

[bucs90]

How many times has a CWP been shot by a fellow good guy while trying to stop a crime???? Link it.

You may be the first to be able to answer that question if you draw and start shooting at someone while I am having my coffee.

Then you are too irresponsible to carry a gun. A responsible gun owner would never draw and fire without being CERTAIN of the situation. If I were to do so....the situation would have to be obvious or else i wouldn't draw. No responsible CWP would. Meaning....if it was in the same room as you...it should ALSO be obvious to you too....if you were aware of your surroundings.

However...if you're carrying....but aren't paying enough attention to your surroundings to see the obvious....then you're too stupid to carry.

So please do us all a favor. Pay the fuck attention when carrying or stop carrying.

As we've always said...we support RESPONSIBLE gun carrying. You obviously and admittedly don't have the situational awareness needed to responsibly carry. So dont.

So, you are quietly drinking your coffee, and suddenly two guys on each side of you draw and start firing at each other. You are going to soberly access the situation before you decide who you are going to shoot at, and then you draw your gun.

Bull shit, and you know it. Put away your John Wayne hat. John Ford did not write the script of your life.

As for being a responsible gun owner, I elected to go through the same training that cops go through, as A Sheriff Auxiliary Volunteer, so come back and tell me that again, when you have done the same.

Big fucking deal. Law enforcement training concentrates on report writing, interpretation of the law and social work. However they spend precious little time on firearms training. To the modern day law enforcement administrator the gun is a tool on the belt and a little used one at that. I have spent decades with law enforcement and have watched the steady decline in firearms skills of those who graduate from the academy. When I was in the Bay Area there were maybe 5 cops who could shoot as good as me. All of them had gone through Coopers Gunsite training on their own dime and that's where we met.

You're nothing but a blowhard who knows nothing. We can call you the Jon Snow of USMB!

That's a big part of the problem. Cops aren't getting the training they should, and their judgement is crap as a consequence.

Ah. And the mandatory "I out shot all the cops this one day at the gun range" story. These are always good.

 

[bucs90]

You may be the first to be able to answer that question if you draw and start shooting at someone while I am having my coffee.

Then you are too irresponsible to carry a gun. A responsible gun owner would never draw and fire without being CERTAIN of the situation. If I were to do so....the situation would have to be obvious or else i wouldn't draw. No responsible CWP would. Meaning....if it was in the same room as you...it should ALSO be obvious to you too....if you were aware of your surroundings.

However...if you're carrying....but aren't paying enough attention to your surroundings to see the obvious....then you're too stupid to carry.

So please do us all a favor. Pay the fuck attention when carrying or stop carrying.

As we've always said...we support RESPONSIBLE gun carrying. You obviously and admittedly don't have the situational awareness needed to responsibly carry. So dont.

So, you are quietly drinking your coffee, and suddenly two guys on each side of you draw and start firing at each other. You are going to soberly access the situation before you decide who you are going to shoot at, and then you draw your gun.

Bull shit, and you know it. Put away your John Wayne hat. John Ford did not write the script of your life.

As for being a responsible gun owner, I elected to go through the same training that cops go through, as A Sheriff Auxiliary Volunteer, so come back and tell me that again, when you have done the same.

Big fucking deal. Law enforcement training concentrates on report writing, interpretation of the law and social work. However they spend precious little time on firearms training. To the modern day law enforcement administrator the gun is a tool on the belt and a little used one at that. I have spent decades with law enforcement and have watched the steady decline in firearms skills of those who graduate from the academy. When I was in the Bay Area there were maybe 5 cops who could shoot as good as me. All of them had gone through Coopers Gunsite training on their own dime and that's where we met.

You're nothing but a blowhard who knows nothing. We can call you the Jon Snow of USMB!

I have a relative who is a detective....he says at his department they must qualify once a year.....and it is the honor code...they qualify on their own........

Yeah, I had a cop lecture me one time here so I challenged him to a contest at the local range. He brought his buddies (one of whom knew me) and after I utterly crushed him we all went out for pizza and beer. He bought, of course, and we spent the next two hours talking about shooting skills, how to get them, how to maintain them (very critical, marksmanship is a perishable skill) and how to not judge a book by its cover.

50% of cops rarely practice. It's dumb.

 

[Conservative65]

Police: Armed customer thwarts robbery at Waffle House in North Charleston

Heart warming! Thug...likely a career criminal....robs a Waffle House.

CWP holder shoots the animal.

Crime solved. Countless other future ones prevented.

Was the customer shooting back ---- or just shooting?

Irrelevant.

 

[Conservative65]

Police: Armed customer thwarts robbery at Waffle House in North Charleston

Heart warming! Thug...likely a career criminal....robs a Waffle House.

CWP holder shoots the animal.

Crime solved. Countless other future ones prevented.

He ain't dead yet, and I didn't know the punishment for robbery was death?

According to the laws of my State, if you try to rob me it can get you death as it should.

 

[Conservative65]

And here's the thing. Thousands of thugs in Charleston are gonna hear about this.

A CWP citizen shot and killed a thug as he armed-robbed a business. 100% legal. No charges.

How many robberies WON'T happen as a result.

This person won't rob again.

 

[BULLDOG]

You may be the first to be able to answer that question if you draw and start shooting at someone while I am having my coffee.

Then you are too irresponsible to carry a gun. A responsible gun owner would never draw and fire without being CERTAIN of the situation. If I were to do so....the situation would have to be obvious or else i wouldn't draw. No responsible CWP would. Meaning....if it was in the same room as you...it should ALSO be obvious to you too....if you were aware of your surroundings.

However...if you're carrying....but aren't paying enough attention to your surroundings to see the obvious....then you're too stupid to carry.

So please do us all a favor. Pay the fuck attention when carrying or stop carrying.

As we've always said...we support RESPONSIBLE gun carrying. You obviously and admittedly don't have the situational awareness needed to responsibly carry. So dont.

So, you are quietly drinking your coffee, and suddenly two guys on each side of you draw and start firing at each other. You are going to soberly access the situation before you decide who you are going to shoot at, and then you draw your gun.

Bull shit, and you know it. Put away your John Wayne hat. John Ford did not write the script of your life.

As for being a responsible gun owner, I elected to go through the same training that cops go through, as A Sheriff Auxiliary Volunteer, so come back and tell me that again, when you have done the same.

Big fucking deal. Law enforcement training concentrates on report writing, interpretation of the law and social work. However they spend precious little time on firearms training. To the modern day law enforcement administrator the gun is a tool on the belt and a little used one at that. I have spent decades with law enforcement and have watched the steady decline in firearms skills of those who graduate from the academy. When I was in the Bay Area there were maybe 5 cops who could shoot as good as me. All of them had gone through Coopers Gunsite training on their own dime and that's where we met.

You're nothing but a blowhard who knows nothing. We can call you the Jon Snow of USMB!

That's a big part of the problem. Cops aren't getting the training they should, and their judgement is crap as a consequence.

Ah. And the mandatory "I out shot all the cops this one day at the gun range" story. These are always good.

Of course he out shot the cops. He's also a geologist who teaches classes to weather scientists, and probably an astronaut/concert pianist on weekends. After reading some of WW's claims,I'm truly in awe of his accomplishments.

 

[bucs90]

Then you are too irresponsible to carry a gun. A responsible gun owner would never draw and fire without being CERTAIN of the situation. If I were to do so....the situation would have to be obvious or else i wouldn't draw. No responsible CWP would. Meaning....if it was in the same room as you...it should ALSO be obvious to you too....if you were aware of your surroundings.

However...if you're carrying....but aren't paying enough attention to your surroundings to see the obvious....then you're too stupid to carry.

So please do us all a favor. Pay the fuck attention when carrying or stop carrying.

As we've always said...we support RESPONSIBLE gun carrying. You obviously and admittedly don't have the situational awareness needed to responsibly carry. So dont.

So, you are quietly drinking your coffee, and suddenly two guys on each side of you draw and start firing at each other. You are going to soberly access the situation before you decide who you are going to shoot at, and then you draw your gun.

Bull shit, and you know it. Put away your John Wayne hat. John Ford did not write the script of your life.

As for being a responsible gun owner, I elected to go through the same training that cops go through, as A Sheriff Auxiliary Volunteer, so come back and tell me that again, when you have done the same.

Big fucking deal. Law enforcement training concentrates on report writing, interpretation of the law and social work. However they spend precious little time on firearms training. To the modern day law enforcement administrator the gun is a tool on the belt and a little used one at that. I have spent decades with law enforcement and have watched the steady decline in firearms skills of those who graduate from the academy. When I was in the Bay Area there were maybe 5 cops who could shoot as good as me. All of them had gone through Coopers Gunsite training on their own dime and that's where we met.

You're nothing but a blowhard who knows nothing. We can call you the Jon Snow of USMB!

That's a big part of the problem. Cops aren't getting the training they should, and their judgement is crap as a consequence.

Ah. And the mandatory "I out shot all the cops this one day at the gun range" story. These are always good.

Of course he out shot the cops. He's also a geologist who teaches classes to weather scientists, and probably an astronaut/concert pianist on weekends. After reading some of WW's claims,I'm truly in awe of his accomplishments.

He probably can out shoot some cops. 1,000,000 cops in America. Half don't practice. Especially the diversity hires.

SWAT guys? Different story.

And...lots of gun enthusiasts are great shooters. Competitive shooters. No doubt they are very good marksmen.

Cops dont train for that though. They train for when the target shoots back. The old stand and plink at a paper target is all good and stuff. But moving and fighting with a gun from cover and mag change tactics, combat breathing and gunfight tactics....apples and oranges from standing still, relaxing, and getting perfect trigger squeezes at a paper target.

Good cops and good departments train for the real gunfight. Sadly....half just shoot a paper target once a year and that's all.

 

[Pogo]

Police: Armed customer thwarts robbery at Waffle House in North Charleston

Heart warming! Thug...likely a career criminal....robs a Waffle House.

CWP holder shoots the animal.

Crime solved. Countless other future ones prevented.

Was the customer shooting back ---- or just shooting?

Irrelevant.

You spelled "crucial" wrong.

At the time, the answer to that wasn't known, yet the OP went ahead with His Divine Judgment, rendering the accused, whose name he didn't even know, "an animal" As details came in to build the story the answer became known: the customer "opened fire". So apparently all the shooting came from that one source.

You're welcome. Don't mention it.

 

[Pogo]

Then you are too irresponsible to carry a gun. A responsible gun owner would never draw and fire without being CERTAIN of the situation. If I were to do so....the situation would have to be obvious or else i wouldn't draw. No responsible CWP would. Meaning....if it was in the same room as you...it should ALSO be obvious to you too....if you were aware of your surroundings.

However...if you're carrying....but aren't paying enough attention to your surroundings to see the obvious....then you're too stupid to carry.

So please do us all a favor. Pay the fuck attention when carrying or stop carrying.

As we've always said...we support RESPONSIBLE gun carrying. You obviously and admittedly don't have the situational awareness needed to responsibly carry. So dont.

So, you are quietly drinking your coffee, and suddenly two guys on each side of you draw and start firing at each other. You are going to soberly access the situation before you decide who you are going to shoot at, and then you draw your gun.

Bull shit, and you know it. Put away your John Wayne hat. John Ford did not write the script of your life.

As for being a responsible gun owner, I elected to go through the same training that cops go through, as A Sheriff Auxiliary Volunteer, so come back and tell me that again, when you have done the same.

Big fucking deal. Law enforcement training concentrates on report writing, interpretation of the law and social work. However they spend precious little time on firearms training. To the modern day law enforcement administrator the gun is a tool on the belt and a little used one at that. I have spent decades with law enforcement and have watched the steady decline in firearms skills of those who graduate from the academy. When I was in the Bay Area there were maybe 5 cops who could shoot as good as me. All of them had gone through Coopers Gunsite training on their own dime and that's where we met.

You're nothing but a blowhard who knows nothing. We can call you the Jon Snow of USMB!

That's a big part of the problem. Cops aren't getting the training they should, and their judgement is crap as a consequence.

Ah. And the mandatory "I out shot all the cops this one day at the gun range" story. These are always good.

Of course he out shot the cops. He's also a geologist who teaches classes to weather scientists, and probably an astronaut/concert pianist on weekends. After reading some of WW's claims,I'm truly in awe of his accomplishments.

Oh he's a race car driver too. Ask him about the time he drove from Portland Oregon to Chicago in two hours. Or wherever it was. He can do it too, 'cause he invented the wheel.

 

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So, you are quietly drinking your coffee, and suddenly two guys on each side of you draw and start firing at each other. You are going to soberly access the situation before you decide who you are going to shoot at, and then you draw your gun.

Bull shit, and you know it. Put away your John Wayne hat. John Ford did not write the script of your life.

As for being a responsible gun owner, I elected to go through the same training that cops go through, as A Sheriff Auxiliary Volunteer, so come back and tell me that again, when you have done the same.

Big fucking deal. Law enforcement training concentrates on report writing, interpretation of the law and social work. However they spend precious little time on firearms training. To the modern day law enforcement administrator the gun is a tool on the belt and a little used one at that. I have spent decades with law enforcement and have watched the steady decline in firearms skills of those who graduate from the academy. When I was in the Bay Area there were maybe 5 cops who could shoot as good as me. All of them had gone through Coopers Gunsite training on their own dime and that's where we met.

You're nothing but a blowhard who knows nothing. We can call you the Jon Snow of USMB!

That's a big part of the problem. Cops aren't getting the training they should, and their judgement is crap as a consequence.

Ah. And the mandatory "I out shot all the cops this one day at the gun range" story. These are always good.

Of course he out shot the cops. He's also a geologist who teaches classes to weather scientists, and probably an astronaut/concert pianist on weekends. After reading some of WW's claims,I'm truly in awe of his accomplishments.

Oh he's a race car driver too. Ask him about the time he drove from Portland Oregon to Chicago in two hours. Or wherever it was. He can do it too, 'cause he invented the wheel.

A true renaissance man. I just don't understand why he spends so much time on an anonymous talk site instead of being out solving world hunger, disease, and all the other problems of the world.