Not Trolling....An Honest Question....Is The Democrat Party Dead?

[Londoner]

This is a great question.

FDR created a coalition partly out of poor working class white people. He showered rural parts of the rust belt and south with Washington goodies, including public works programs that gave favored regions water, roads and energy. And he created trade and labor policies that gave Labor a decided advantage over capital (which would eventually be destroyed by Reagan).

But in the sixties the democrats shifted from traditional working class issues to race, gender and lifestyle politics. They also made a home for every manner of radical, including anti-war students, bra burning abortionists, gun toting Black Panthers and god hating atheists.

This shift alienated the Left's base of traditional white voters, and it allowed the Republicans to swoop down and steal them using the Southern Strategy and Culture War.

Goldwater, Wallace and Nixon made impressive dents in the New Deal Coalition, but the real conversion of the white working class (especially in the heartland & South) came with Reagan (which was ironic because Reaganomics lead the shift of manufacturing to cheaper labor markets in Asia and the global South).

But here is the point. Bill Clinton truly dropped the ball. Rather than defending white unionized Pittsburgh steel workers from the onslaught of global capitalism, he sided with Wall Street and NAFTA. Rather than opposing the advantage Reagan gave to Capital (over Labor), Clinton further enabled American Capitalists to scour the globe for the cheapest (most profitable) labor markets. This decimated the very working class that FDR once defended, and it gave Trump an opening, which he took, promising poor workers that he would wrestle their manufacturing jobs back from China and Taiwan. This is ironic because Trump is a globalist who gets his steel from China (even though he has every opportunity to get his steel in the USA).

But to answer the ORIGINAL POST, I'm not sure how the Democratic Party gets the white working class back. Perhaps they won't have to. Perhaps Trump will save them. Perhaps Trump is going to impose tariffs and create a regulatory and trade structure that brings us back to the high union wage structure of the 50s & 60s, when the father made enough to support his entire family and the mother could stay home and raise the kids, or perhaps Trump was just lying to get elected, and perhaps he is merely going to take care of the 1% and create a safer place for bigotry and hate. I don't know, but I respect the OPs question.

 

[westwall]

I would like an honest discussion regarding the current state of the Democrat Party based on the latest election. But first the facts.

1. The GOP now effectively controls all three branches of Government.

2. The GOP controls 35 Governorships

3. The GOP now controls 37 Statehouses.


Politics is much like baseball in that you develop political talent at the State and local level. The GOP has without question a much deeper bench than the Democrats based their domination in State and local politics.


The Democrat formula for decades to win elections is they must get 40% of the white vote and 90% of the black vote. In the last two election cycles the Democrats have struggled to get 37% of the white vote and have not gotten 90% of the black vote. This is why they lost.

Exit polling indicates Hillary got 37% of the white vote, but as we all know the exit polling predicted a Hillary victory. The reality is she probably got less than 37%.

The Democrat Party has lost white males as a voting block.....probably forever. They are rapidly losing white women, and we know working class whites feel abandoned by the Democrat Party and went for Trump in a big way.


The Democrat Party seems to believe they no longer need white voters even though whites comprise 2/3 of the electoral and will be the dominant voting block for many years to come.

The Democrat "war on women" meme no longer works. Pandering to non-whites the last two elections cycles obviously is no longer working.


So the question is: where does the Democrat Party go from here? Please discuss.


2016 election results: National Exit polls


theDoctorisIn

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Sherry

The Democratic Party very well could be dead. Repug voter suppression and gerrymandering in several battleground states is going to make it extremely difficult for the Democrats to ever obtain power again. It's quite possible the Repug Party will now permanently control the White House and Congress. Democracy in this country could very well be finished.

What a moronic statement to make. The Dems controlled both houses for over 40 continuous years and the repub party didn't disappear. You are a idiot.

The Democratic Party also didn't engage in voter suppression like the current fascist Repug Party, dumb ass.

Really? The shrilary didn't pay to have her Sturm Abteilung go into trumpster events to cause trouble? You sir, are a lying piece of horse poo....

And of course you have evidence of this? Didn't think so, lame ass.

Poor "kerry won ohio". You're such a doofus. Here you go silly boy. Watch the video's. The evidence is overwhelming.

BREAKING: Bombshell Video Proves Hillary ORDERED Violence Against Trump Supporters!

 

[WelfareQueen]

This is a great question.

FDR created a coalition partly out of poor working class white people. He showered rural parts of the rust belt and south with Washington goodies, including public works programs that gave favored regions water, roads and energy. And he created trade and labor policies that gave Labor a decided advantage over capital (which would eventually be destroyed by Reagan).

But in the sixties the democrats shifted from traditional working class issues to race, gender and lifestyle politics. They also made a home for every manner of radical, including anti-war students, bra burning abortionists, gun toting Black Panthers and god hating atheists.

This shift alienated the Left's base of traditional white voters, and it allowed the Republicans to swoop down and steal them using the Southern Strategy and Culture War.

Goldwater, Wallace and Nixon made impressive dents in the New Deal Coalition, but the real conversion of the white working class (especially in the heartland & South) came with Reagan (which was ironic because Reaganomics lead the shift of manufacturing to cheaper labor markets in Asia and the global South).

But here is the point. Bill Clinton truly dropped the ball. Rather than defending white unionized Pittsburgh steel workers from the onslaught of global capitalism, he sided with Wall Street and NAFTA. Rather than opposing the advantage Reagan gave to Capital (over Labor), Clinton further enabled American Capitalists to scour the globe for the cheapest (most profitable) labor markets. This decimated the very working class that FDR once defended, and it gave Trump an opening, which he took, promising poor workers that he would wrestle their manufacturing jobs back from China and Taiwan. This is ironic because Trump is a globalist who gets his steel from China (even though he has every opportunity to get his steel in the USA).

But to answer the ORIGINAL POST, I'm not sure how the Democratic Party gets the white working class back. Perhaps they won't have to. Perhaps Trump will save them. Perhaps Trump is going to impose tariffs and create a regulatory and trade structure that brings us back to the high union wage structure of the 50s & 60s, when the father made enough to support his entire family and the mother could stay home and raise the kids, or perhaps Trump was just lying to get elected, and perhaps he is merely going to take care of the 1% and create a safer place for bigotry and hate. I don't know, but I respect the OPs question.

Great post. Thanks for your input.

 

[Pogo]

This is a great question.

FDR created a coalition partly out of poor working class white people. He showered rural parts of the rust belt and south with Washington goodies, including public works programs that gave favored regions water, roads and energy. And he created trade and labor policies that gave Labor a decided advantage over capital (which would eventually be destroyed by Reagan).

But in the sixties the democrats shifted from traditional working class issues to race, gender and lifestyle politics. They also made a home for every manner of radical, including anti-war students, bra burning abortionists, gun toting Black Panthers and god hating atheists.

This shift alienated the Left's base of traditional white voters, and it allowed the Republicans to swoop down and steal them using the Southern Strategy and Culture War.

Goldwater, Wallace and Nixon made impressive dents in the New Deal Coalition, but the real conversion of the white working class (especially in the heartland & South) came with Reagan (which was ironic because Reaganomics lead the shift of manufacturing to cheaper labor markets in Asia and the global South).

But here is the point. Bill Clinton truly dropped the ball. Rather than defending white unionized Pittsburgh steel workers from the onslaught of global capitalism, he sided with Wall Street and NAFTA. Rather than opposing the advantage Reagan gave to Capital (over Labor), Clinton further enabled American Capitalists to scour the globe for the cheapest (most profitable) labor markets. This decimated the very working class that FDR once defended, and it gave Trump an opening, which he took, promising poor workers that he would wrestle their manufacturing jobs back from China and Taiwan. This is ironic because Trump is a globalist who gets his steel from China (even though he has every opportunity to get his steel in the USA).

But to answer the ORIGINAL POST, I'm not sure how the Democratic Party gets the white working class back. Perhaps they won't have to. Perhaps Trump will save them. Perhaps Trump is going to impose tariffs and create a regulatory and trade structure that brings us back to the high union wage structure of the 50s & 60s, when the father made enough to support his entire family and the mother could stay home and raise the kids, or perhaps Trump was just lying to get elected, and perhaps he is merely going to take care of the 1% and create a safer place for bigotry and hate. I don't know, but I respect the OPs question.

FDR entered in a landslide after his party had won two of the last nine POTUS elections (both by the same guy, who got in with less than 42% on the back of a three-way split and was despised by the time he left office), a party that was still mortally split between internal warring factions. And starting with that victory his party won the office five straight times.

So it's an absurdity to project the demise of the oldest political party in the world based a view 48 hours after a one-in-a-row loss. I guess instant gratification is just too big a draw for some wags.

Good points about Clinton here.