Not Trolling....An Honest Question....Is The Democrat Party Dead?

[Pogo]

"LIBERTY" from government...... The classical liberal meaning.

Yes, but we all know that there is a pretty big difference between a classical liberal and liberals of today.

The people who claim they are liberals today are "PROGRESSIVES". Huge difference. Progressives are scum.

They are fascists, not progressive.

Progressivism is humanitarianism full stop.

Progressive is merely another word for fascist. When you look at the history books the progressives of the era were all in favor of Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. They are naturally attracted to totalitarian governmental systems. Like I said, they are scum.

Yeah, but progressive also implies progress from a human perspective.

It is no different from the word "liberal" being used by Democrats when the old liberals were just libertarians with another name.

He's trying to conflate the adjective "progressive"-- which is what you mention here --- with his own contrived noun "Progressive", which actually was a thing a hundred years ago, and trying to Doublethink his way into claiming it's the opposite of itself. It's one he's hopelessly addicted to in lieu of actual thought.

Which is, yes, the same conflation the far right has tried to hang on the term "Liberal" where a term becomes its own opposite. It's an absurd paradox. It's nothing more than a divisive tactic, and a singularly uncreative one. They try to shout down discourse by means of absurd paradox -- "La la la I can't hear you because up is down".

 

[WelfareQueen]

Ya know...


1. I hope those moronic protesters are in the streets for the next four years crying and showing how deeply butt-hurt they are.


2. I hope The Democrat Party keeps calling all white people (particularly white men) racist, homophobic, and anti-women.


3. I hope the media continues to lie and demonize everyone they disagree with.


All of these things have helped TRUMP and the GOP enormously. Please Democrats....for Christsakes.....never stop the stupidity.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The "Democratic" party will continue in name. Or it may adopt "Democratic - Socialist."

It is not the party of Harry Truman or John Kennedy, and hasn't been for a long time. Election defeats go in cycles. The party will survive this defeat and will win a similar victory in 8 or 12 years, but it will be the radicalized, far left party of Obama, not the American party of Kennedy.

 

[Rustic]

The Dimocratic Party is not dead, but it is on life support and the docs are talking about the lack of bed space.

I would not call the democratic party dead at the national level, but at the state level it's pretty much nonexistent. In two years they are going to be even lose more governorships and statehouses that's a foregone conclusion.
Progressives generally don't vote in any significant number in the mid terms… Fact

 

[Pogo]

Well, not to kiss up to a MOD, but I pretty much agree with all of your views that you mentioned. I might lean left on some social issues, but I sure don't consider myself a liberal.

Ah but "left" and "Liberal" are two different things. An often in conflict with one another.

 

[Rustic]

Only FOUR people "run" Congress.

Yeah. The Koch brothers. You're right.

You do know they are progressives? What do you have Alzheimer's?

 

[Rustic]

Democrats seem to always assume voting blocs never change...but of course they always do.

Weird comment, since a plethora -- a plethora I tell you ---- of posters on this site post as if they thing political parties never change. I see it literally every day. And they're usually Republicans who fantasize that 150 years ago they would still have been Republicans because it's spelled the same way.

Of course voting blocs change, and parties change with/for them.

excuses?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Both parties are like herpes.

 

[Pogo]

It's a sad Two Party System. So no, the Democrat Party isn't dead. Just like the Republican Party wasn't, when Democrats boasted about it being dead.

Except the Democrats were lying. They had a democrat prrsident but nothing else. On that slender thread the dimwits said that republicans were dead and would never win another national election.

The democrats are really dead. Rather than throw a tantrum they should look for leadership.

There is no candidate that the Democrats can run in 2020. All the momentum is with republicans.

That is the real reason why they are trying to get rid of the electoral college.

The Electoral College is a farce. A vestige of slavery and the "Three Fifths Compromise" -- days when a popular vote as we have now didn't exist, and state representation was completely perverted by counting people who couldn't vote. It has no function in the modern era, and that's been true for a long, long time.

And it effectively disenfranchises everybody who lives in a locked-red or locked-blue state. So for example ChrisL had no vote. She could have voted for Rump, for Clinton or stayed home, and the effect in all three cases would have been exactly the same. Her state voted FOR her, and there was fuck-all she could do about it. Just as in the daze when the EC got thought up the white slaveholders voted FOR (on behalf of) their slaves and there was fuck-all they could do about it.

That's why I voted for Nader in 2000. I was living in a red state so my vote didn't matter anyway --- so I might as well launch as feeble a protest against the rigged system as I can.

 

[paulitician]

It's a sad Two Party System. So no, the Democrat Party isn't dead. Just like the Republican Party wasn't, when Democrats boasted about it being dead.

Except the Democrats were lying. They had a democrat prrsident but nothing else. On that slender thread the dimwits said that republicans were dead and would never win another national election.

The democrats are really dead. Rather than throw a tantrum they should look for leadership.

There is no candidate that the Democrats can run in 2020. All the momentum is with republicans.

That is the real reason why they are trying to get rid of the electoral college.

The Electoral College is a farce. A vestige of slavery and the "Three Fifths Compromise" -- days when a popular vote as we have now didn't exist, and state representation was completely perverted by counting people who couldn't vote. It has no function in the modern era, and that's been true for a long, long time.

And it effectively disenfranchises everybody who lives in a locked-red or locked-blue state. So for example ChrisL had no vote. She could have voted for Rump, for Clinton or stayed home, and the effect in all three cases would have been exactly the same.

That's why I voted for Nader in 2000. I was living in a red state so my vote didn't matter anyway --- so I might as well launch as feeble a protest against the rigged system as I can.

Ah, quit ya bitchin and kneel in praise of your new King, Donald Trump. It's over. You lost.

GO TRUMP! GO TRUMP!

 

[WelfareQueen]

It's a sad Two Party System. So no, the Democrat Party isn't dead. Just like the Republican Party wasn't, when Democrats boasted about it being dead.

Except the Democrats were lying. They had a democrat prrsident but nothing else. On that slender thread the dimwits said that republicans were dead and would never win another national election.

The democrats are really dead. Rather than throw a tantrum they should look for leadership.

There is no candidate that the Democrats can run in 2020. All the momentum is with republicans.

That is the real reason why they are trying to get rid of the electoral college.

The Electoral College is a farce. A vestige of slavery and the "Three Fifths Compromise" -- days when a popular vote as we have now didn't exist, and state representation was completely perverted by counting people who couldn't vote. It has no function in the modern era, and that's been true for a long, long time.

And it effectively disenfranchises everybody who lives in a locked-red or locked-blue state. So for example ChrisL had no vote. She could have voted for Rump, for Clinton or stayed home, and the effect in all three cases would have been exactly the same.

That's why I voted for Nader in 2000. I was living in a red state so my vote didn't matter anyway --- so I might as well launch as feeble a protest against the rigged system as I can.

Sounds like some deep butt hurt.

 

[boedicca]

No, the Democrat Party is not dead...just like the GOP wasn't dead in 2008.

 

[Pogo]

It's a sad Two Party System. So no, the Democrat Party isn't dead. Just like the Republican Party wasn't, when Democrats boasted about it being dead.

Except the Democrats were lying. They had a democrat prrsident but nothing else. On that slender thread the dimwits said that republicans were dead and would never win another national election.

The democrats are really dead. Rather than throw a tantrum they should look for leadership.

There is no candidate that the Democrats can run in 2020. All the momentum is with republicans.

That is the real reason why they are trying to get rid of the electoral college.

The Electoral College is a farce. A vestige of slavery and the "Three Fifths Compromise" -- days when a popular vote as we have now didn't exist, and state representation was completely perverted by counting people who couldn't vote. It has no function in the modern era, and that's been true for a long, long time.

And it effectively disenfranchises everybody who lives in a locked-red or locked-blue state. So for example ChrisL had no vote. She could have voted for Rump, for Clinton or stayed home, and the effect in all three cases would have been exactly the same.

That's why I voted for Nader in 2000. I was living in a red state so my vote didn't matter anyway --- so I might as well launch as feeble a protest against the rigged system as I can.

Sounds like some deep butt hurt.

It's a sad Two Party System. So no, the Democrat Party isn't dead. Just like the Republican Party wasn't, when Democrats boasted about it being dead.

Except the Democrats were lying. They had a democrat prrsident but nothing else. On that slender thread the dimwits said that republicans were dead and would never win another national election.

The democrats are really dead. Rather than throw a tantrum they should look for leadership.

There is no candidate that the Democrats can run in 2020. All the momentum is with republicans.

That is the real reason why they are trying to get rid of the electoral college.

The Electoral College is a farce. A vestige of slavery and the "Three Fifths Compromise" -- days when a popular vote as we have now didn't exist, and state representation was completely perverted by counting people who couldn't vote. It has no function in the modern era, and that's been true for a long, long time.

And it effectively disenfranchises everybody who lives in a locked-red or locked-blue state. So for example ChrisL had no vote. She could have voted for Rump, for Clinton or stayed home, and the effect in all three cases would have been exactly the same.

That's why I voted for Nader in 2000. I was living in a red state so my vote didn't matter anyway --- so I might as well launch as feeble a protest against the rigged system as I can.

Ah, quit ya bitchin and kneel in praise of your new King, Donald Trump. It's over. You lost.

GO TRUMP! GO TRUMP!

What part of that point can either of you you refute?




Exactly.

There's a whole 'nother thread on this anyway. It comes up every election.
And just for the record it would have made zero difference in my state whether we counted PV or EV. They have the same result.

Duh.

 

[paulitician]

It's a sad Two Party System. So no, the Democrat Party isn't dead. Just like the Republican Party wasn't, when Democrats boasted about it being dead.

Except the Democrats were lying. They had a democrat prrsident but nothing else. On that slender thread the dimwits said that republicans were dead and would never win another national election.

The democrats are really dead. Rather than throw a tantrum they should look for leadership.

There is no candidate that the Democrats can run in 2020. All the momentum is with republicans.

That is the real reason why they are trying to get rid of the electoral college.

The Electoral College is a farce. A vestige of slavery and the "Three Fifths Compromise" -- days when a popular vote as we have now didn't exist, and state representation was completely perverted by counting people who couldn't vote. It has no function in the modern era, and that's been true for a long, long time.

And it effectively disenfranchises everybody who lives in a locked-red or locked-blue state. So for example ChrisL had no vote. She could have voted for Rump, for Clinton or stayed home, and the effect in all three cases would have been exactly the same.

That's why I voted for Nader in 2000. I was living in a red state so my vote didn't matter anyway --- so I might as well launch as feeble a protest against the rigged system as I can.

Sounds like some deep butt hurt.

Yup.

 

[Crixus]

I would like an honest discussion regarding the current state of the Democrat Party based on the latest election. But first the facts.

1. The GOP now effectively controls all three branches of Government.

2. The GOP controls 35 Governorships

3. The GOP now controls 37 Statehouses.


Politics is much like baseball in that you develop political talent at the State and local level. The GOP has without question a much deeper bench than the Democrats based their domination in State and local politics.


The Democrat formula for decades to win elections is they must get 40% of the white vote and 90% of the black vote. In the last two election cycles the Democrats have struggled to get 37% of the white vote and have not gotten 90% of the black vote. This is why they lost.

Exit polling indicates Hillary got 37% of the white vote, but as we all know the exit polling predicted a Hillary victory. The reality is she probably got less than 37%.

The Democrat Party has lost white males as a voting block.....probably forever. They are rapidly losing white women, and we know working class whites feel abandoned by the Democrat Party and went for Trump in a big way.


The Democrat Party seems to believe they no longer need white voters even though whites comprise 2/3 of the electoral and will be the dominant voting block for many years to come.

The Democrat "war on women" meme no longer works. Pandering to non-whites the last two elections cycles obviously is no longer working.


So the question is: where does the Democrat Party go from here? Please discuss.


2016 election results: National Exit polls


theDoctorisIn

Foxfyre

Sherry

Sadly no. Go back and look. after every election it's stated that the winning party is dead, then two years later the ruling party has a bad midterm and the opposing party is back on the map. When Bama won it was said the Republican party was done, yet here we are.

 

[paulitician]

It's a sad Two Party System. So no, the Democrat Party isn't dead. Just like the Republican Party wasn't, when Democrats boasted about it being dead.

Except the Democrats were lying. They had a democrat prrsident but nothing else. On that slender thread the dimwits said that republicans were dead and would never win another national election.

The democrats are really dead. Rather than throw a tantrum they should look for leadership.

There is no candidate that the Democrats can run in 2020. All the momentum is with republicans.

That is the real reason why they are trying to get rid of the electoral college.

The Electoral College is a farce. A vestige of slavery and the "Three Fifths Compromise" -- days when a popular vote as we have now didn't exist, and state representation was completely perverted by counting people who couldn't vote. It has no function in the modern era, and that's been true for a long, long time.

And it effectively disenfranchises everybody who lives in a locked-red or locked-blue state. So for example ChrisL had no vote. She could have voted for Rump, for Clinton or stayed home, and the effect in all three cases would have been exactly the same.

That's why I voted for Nader in 2000. I was living in a red state so my vote didn't matter anyway --- so I might as well launch as feeble a protest against the rigged system as I can.

Sounds like some deep butt hurt.

It's a sad Two Party System. So no, the Democrat Party isn't dead. Just like the Republican Party wasn't, when Democrats boasted about it being dead.

Except the Democrats were lying. They had a democrat prrsident but nothing else. On that slender thread the dimwits said that republicans were dead and would never win another national election.

The democrats are really dead. Rather than throw a tantrum they should look for leadership.

There is no candidate that the Democrats can run in 2020. All the momentum is with republicans.

That is the real reason why they are trying to get rid of the electoral college.

The Electoral College is a farce. A vestige of slavery and the "Three Fifths Compromise" -- days when a popular vote as we have now didn't exist, and state representation was completely perverted by counting people who couldn't vote. It has no function in the modern era, and that's been true for a long, long time.

And it effectively disenfranchises everybody who lives in a locked-red or locked-blue state. So for example ChrisL had no vote. She could have voted for Rump, for Clinton or stayed home, and the effect in all three cases would have been exactly the same.

That's why I voted for Nader in 2000. I was living in a red state so my vote didn't matter anyway --- so I might as well launch as feeble a protest against the rigged system as I can.

Ah, quit ya bitchin and kneel in praise of your new King, Donald Trump. It's over. You lost.

GO TRUMP! GO TRUMP!

What part of that point can either of you you refute?




Exactly.

There's a whole 'nother thread on this anyway. It comes up every election.

You just do what you're told son. You're a King Donald subject now. So, less whining, more kneeling & praising your new King.

 

[Pogo]

I would like an honest discussion regarding the current state of the Democrat Party based on the latest election. But first the facts.

1. The GOP now effectively controls all three branches of Government.

2. The GOP controls 35 Governorships

3. The GOP now controls 37 Statehouses.


Politics is much like baseball in that you develop political talent at the State and local level. The GOP has without question a much deeper bench than the Democrats based their domination in State and local politics.


The Democrat formula for decades to win elections is they must get 40% of the white vote and 90% of the black vote. In the last two election cycles the Democrats have struggled to get 37% of the white vote and have not gotten 90% of the black vote. This is why they lost.

Exit polling indicates Hillary got 37% of the white vote, but as we all know the exit polling predicted a Hillary victory. The reality is she probably got less than 37%.

The Democrat Party has lost white males as a voting block.....probably forever. They are rapidly losing white women, and we know working class whites feel abandoned by the Democrat Party and went for Trump in a big way.


The Democrat Party seems to believe they no longer need white voters even though whites comprise 2/3 of the electoral and will be the dominant voting block for many years to come.

The Democrat "war on women" meme no longer works. Pandering to non-whites the last two elections cycles obviously is no longer working.


So the question is: where does the Democrat Party go from here? Please discuss.


2016 election results: National Exit polls


theDoctorisIn

Foxfyre

Sherry

Sadly no. Go back and look. after every election it's stated that the winning party is dead, then two years later the ruling party has a bad midterm and the opposing party is back on the map. When Bama won it was said the Republican party was done, yet here we are.

Zackly. Some wags seem to have no perspective. That's why I found it hilarious he's using terms like "forever" less than 48 hours after a one-election-in-a-row losing streak.

If only life were that simple.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I would like an honest discussion regarding the current state of the Democrat Party based on the latest election. But first the facts.

1. The GOP now effectively controls all three branches of Government.

2. The GOP controls 35 Governorships

3. The GOP now controls 37 Statehouses.


Politics is much like baseball in that you develop political talent at the State and local level. The GOP has without question a much deeper bench than the Democrats based their domination in State and local politics.


The Democrat formula for decades to win elections is they must get 40% of the white vote and 90% of the black vote. In the last two election cycles the Democrats have struggled to get 37% of the white vote and have not gotten 90% of the black vote. This is why they lost.

Exit polling indicates Hillary got 37% of the white vote, but as we all know the exit polling predicted a Hillary victory. The reality is she probably got less than 37%.

The Democrat Party has lost white males as a voting block.....probably forever. They are rapidly losing white women, and we know working class whites feel abandoned by the Democrat Party and went for Trump in a big way.


The Democrat Party seems to believe they no longer need white voters even though whites comprise 2/3 of the electoral and will be the dominant voting block for many years to come.

The Democrat "war on women" meme no longer works. Pandering to non-whites the last two elections cycles obviously is no longer working.


So the question is: where does the Democrat Party go from here? Please discuss.


2016 election results: National Exit polls


theDoctorisIn

Foxfyre

Sherry

Democratic Party will thrive again but not as you knew it... They will have to focus more on the Asian American Community and the Hispanic\Latino community which can be a fickle bitch in heat!

The one size fit all platform will need to change and trying to pass stuff like the ACA without the opposition party input will no longer be tolerated...

 

[2aguy]

You can't kill evil.......not even if you put a stake in it, fill it's mouth with garlic, chop off it's head and bury it in a cross roads...evil doesn't die....it just continues to undermine the country....

 

[Crixus]

It's a sad Two Party System. So no, the Democrat Party isn't dead. Just like the Republican Party wasn't, when Democrats boasted about it being dead.

Except the Democrats were lying. They had a democrat prrsident but nothing else. On that slender thread the dimwits said that republicans were dead and would never win another national election.

The democrats are really dead. Rather than throw a tantrum they should look for leadership.

There is no candidate that the Democrats can run in 2020. All the momentum is with republicans.

That is the real reason why they are trying to get rid of the electoral college.

The Electoral College is a farce. A vestige of slavery and the "Three Fifths Compromise" -- days when a popular vote as we have now didn't exist, and state representation was completely perverted by counting people who couldn't vote. It has no function in the modern era, and that's been true for a long, long time.

And it effectively disenfranchises everybody who lives in a locked-red or locked-blue state. So for example ChrisL had no vote. She could have voted for Rump, for Clinton or stayed home, and the effect in all three cases would have been exactly the same.

That's why I voted for Nader in 2000. I was living in a red state so my vote didn't matter anyway --- so I might as well launch as feeble a protest against the rigged system as I can.

Sounds like some deep butt hurt.

Yup.

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