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Ilyr::::
Point is -- the court and the purpose of the warrant is secret...
We are only here today all pissed out because this was LEAKED to the UK Guardian..
Whatever happened to Carnivore? I'm sure it ate some really juicy posts off of my message board usage.
Let's be realistic, please.
Job number one for any politico is to get re-elected.
Being singled out by the noise machine as "weak on defense" or "unwilling to battle terrorism" frightens nearly EVERY ONE OF THEM.
They don't scream unless they think it will win them votes.
It is OUR JOB to push them in the right direction. We need to drown out the crazy noise machine. Otherwise.......there will be no movement on this.
THEY --- don't matter. I wouldn't touch one -- never mind try to push one..
What the PEOPLE know is what matters. And the keepers of that are the nincompoops in the media...
Why don't you go get Jon Steward and Colbert to be CONSISTENT and PRINCIPLED on this issue and to stop pretending that it's just a football? Because THEY have more sway than Hannity or Maddow.. They have shown how powerful mocking is..
Dude. I watch Stewart a few nights per month. I am pretty sure he is 100% against the Patriot Act. Those two are more principled than Hannity....for sure. Maddow? No. She is right there with them.
The media does what makes them money. Your conservative principles led to that.
Senator Obama absolutely DESPISED the Patriot ActOne other thing, if Liberals are continuing to blame Bush for this, why didn't the Obama administration try to repeal the Patriot Act sooner? Or is it because our government is too addicted to power? Or is it because Liberals don't want to further tarnish the reputation of their chosen one? You know, Obama could have done something to stop this if he wanted to.
Senator Obama absolutely DESPISED the Patriot Act
...unitl he got control of the reins and then it was fun.
Purt'much
Senator Obama absolutely DESPISED the Patriot ActOne other thing, if Liberals are continuing to blame Bush for this, why didn't the Obama administration try to repeal the Patriot Act sooner? Or is it because our government is too addicted to power? Or is it because Liberals don't want to further tarnish the reputation of their chosen one? You know, Obama could have done something to stop this if he wanted to.
Senator Obama absolutely DESPISED the Patriot ActOne other thing, if Liberals are continuing to blame Bush for this, why didn't the Obama administration try to repeal the Patriot Act sooner? Or is it because our government is too addicted to power? Or is it because Liberals don't want to further tarnish the reputation of their chosen one? You know, Obama could have done something to stop this if he wanted to.
Yes. I believe he said as much.
And then....after he was elected....he extended it.
This is a black mark on his record.
It seems that you would like people like me......those who support his Presidency and find his overall performance to be satisfactory.......to grab a butter knife and begin cutting off our balls because he failed to follow through on this matter.
Check it out........the dude is far less than perfect. Shocker!
), it seems that Obama has been constantly 'data-mining' the living shit out of us.
Senator Obama absolutely DESPISED the Patriot Act
Yes. I believe he said as much.
And then....after he was elected....he extended it.
This is a black mark on his record.
It seems that you would like people like me......those who support his Presidency and find his overall performance to be satisfactory.......to grab a butter knife and begin cutting off our balls because he failed to follow through on this matter.
Check it out........the dude is far less than perfect. Shocker!
I DO like you.
I pull your chain from time to time but, mostly, you're non-partisan when it comes to common sense stuff.
Besides this "black mark" (and I won;t even say "race card!!"
Besides this most recent nosiness of the IRS, they will soon have access to all of our medical records.
We have the NSA casting a net over the entire country and collecting data.
EPA drones
DNA collections
Yes. I believe he said as much.
And then....after he was elected....he extended it.
This is a black mark on his record.
It seems that you would like people like me......those who support his Presidency and find his overall performance to be satisfactory.......to grab a butter knife and begin cutting off our balls because he failed to follow through on this matter.
Check it out........the dude is far less than perfect. Shocker!
I DO like you.
I pull your chain from time to time but, mostly, you're non-partisan when it comes to common sense stuff.
Besides this "black mark" (and I won;t even say "race card!!"
Besides this most recent nosiness of the IRS, they will soon have access to all of our medical records.
We have the NSA casting a net over the entire country and collecting data.
EPA drones
DNA collections
Again Horty (with respect) Sir... These current events have not been engineered by Obama. Just neglected. Like a lot of other blowups..
If you start making a list --- like you did --- and remember that these clowns stole TRILLIONS in Soc Sec surplus to balance their budgets out of the wallets of the working class, and are bombing or droning 6 countries a year and patting down 3 yr olds at the airport --- we might quickly get to the same level of grievances that was cited in the Declaration of Independence.. And you know what they say about the govt serving on our consent? Might be time for one of the events that Jefferson and the founders hinted might be useful every so often..
I expect to see the left wing outrage in
3.............
2....................
1.....................................
I suspect left-wingers may be less outraged because they have less to hide. Just a guess...
One other thing, if Liberals are continuing to blame Bush for this, why didn't the Obama administration try to repeal the Patriot Act sooner? Or is it because our government is too addicted to power? Or is it because Liberals don't want to further tarnish the reputation of their chosen one? You know, Obama could have done something to stop this if he wanted to.
One other thing, if Liberals are continuing to blame Bush for this, why didn't the Obama administration try to repeal the Patriot Act sooner? Or is it because our government is too addicted to power? Or is it because Liberals don't want to further tarnish the reputation of their chosen one? You know, Obama could have done something to stop this if he wanted to.
Well, you see, the alleged "Conservatives" were so rock hard and engorged over the Patriot Act and all its intrusions on our privacy and its Constitutional violations, they had no blood left for their brains to think about what would happen when power shifted and the other party inherited all this kick ass totalitarian shit they had created.
Oooooops!!!
One other thing, if Liberals are continuing to blame Bush for this, why didn't the Obama administration try to repeal the Patriot Act sooner? Or is it because our government is too addicted to power? Or is it because Liberals don't want to further tarnish the reputation of their chosen one? You know, Obama could have done something to stop this if he wanted to.
Well, you see, the alleged "Conservatives" were so rock hard and engorged over the Patriot Act and all its intrusions on our privacy and its Constitutional violations, they had no blood left for their brains to think about what would happen when power shifted and the other party inherited all this kick ass totalitarian shit they had created.
Oooooops!!!
What conservatives approved of was the patriot act being used outside the U.S. not inside the U.S. SO STOP THAT STUPID SHIT YOU DUMB SON OF A BITCH BUSH DID IT. HE DIDN'T DO THIS
The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.
The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.
"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added.
Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources, Qwest declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal implications of handing over customer information to the government without warrants.
Qwest's refusal to participate has left the NSA with a hole in its database. Based in Denver, Qwest provides local phone service to 14 million customers in 14 states in the West and Northwest. But AT&T and Verizon also provide some services primarily long-distance and wireless to people who live in Qwest's region. Therefore, they can provide the NSA with at least some access in that area.
The Bush administration maintains that the changes are consistent with FISA's intent--that targeting foreign communications doesn't require a warrant--and that a warrant is still required for "targeting a person in the United States." But civil-liberties advocates argue that the government is creating a loophole to monitor Americans' e-mails and phone calls to overseas contacts without the intended court approval.
The new law also immunizes from legal liability the private companies that assist the government with surveillance going forward, but Bush repeated existing calls for making that policy retroactive as well.
"It's particularly important for Congress to provide meaningful liability protection to those companies now facing multibillion-dollar lawsuits only because they are believed to have assisted in efforts to defend our nation, following the 9/11 attacks," Bush said.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which has sued AT&T over its allegedly illegal cooperation with the government, says references to the crippling liability posed by such suits suggest that the scope of the wiretapping is "massive."
The leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee said today the collection of telephone records from millions of Americans as part of counterterrorism efforts has been going on for seven years and lawmakers were aware of it.
Senators Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat, and Saxby Chambliss, a Georgia Republican, told reporters they did not have a problem with the government's secret collection of records from millions of Verizon customers.
Your wish is my command. Is the Heritage Foundation CON$ervative enough for you? Please reward.Can someone/anyone link me to something supporting the claim that "conservatives were all in favor of the Patriot Act when Bush passed it"??
Your wish is my command. Is the Heritage Foundation CON$ervative enough for you? Please reward.Can someone/anyone link me to something supporting the claim that "conservatives were all in favor of the Patriot Act when Bush passed it"??
After Bin Laden: Support the PATRIOT Act
After bin Laden: Support the PATRIOT Act
Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act: Business Record Orders under FISA. Domestic prosecutors routinely rely on business records and other concrete evidence to prove a wide variety of criminal charges from simple theft to homicide. Law enforcement, working with local prosecutors, acquires this evidence throughout the course of an investigation, often through the use of a subpoena. However, national security agents did not have the same authority to acquire similar evidence prior to the passage of Section 215. They had to obtain a court order and were limited to those records held by a business that was a common carrier, public accommodation facility, physical storage facility or vehicle rental facility.
Section 215 eliminated those arbitrary, dangerously narrow and self-limiting provisions but required that the records sought are relevant to an authorized investigation. However, unlike a standard prosecutor-issued subpoena, or even a grand jury subpoena, an order issued under Section 215 requires FISA court approval. In other words, Congress inserted a federal judge between investigators and potential suspects. Furthermore, the law requires substantial congressional oversight.
This provision allows law enforcement, with approval from the FISA court, to require disclosure of documents and other records from businesses and other institutions without a suspects knowledge. Third-party recipients of Section 215 orders can appeal the order to the FISA court.
Section 215 further protects civil liberties by requiring additional approval for document requests that might have the slightest relation to freedom of speech and expression, such as library records.
As Wainstein testified, There is no reason to return to the days when it is easier for prosecutors to secure records in a simple assault prosecution than for national security investigators to obtain records that may help prevent the next 9/11.
Your wish is my command. Is the Heritage Foundation CON$ervative enough for you? Please reward.Can someone/anyone link me to something supporting the claim that "conservatives were all in favor of the Patriot Act when Bush passed it"??
After Bin Laden: Support the PATRIOT Act
After bin Laden: Support the PATRIOT Act
Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act: Business Record Orders under FISA. Domestic prosecutors routinely rely on business records and other concrete evidence to prove a wide variety of criminal charges from simple theft to homicide. Law enforcement, working with local prosecutors, acquires this evidence throughout the course of an investigation, often through the use of a subpoena. However, national security agents did not have the same authority to acquire similar evidence prior to the passage of Section 215. They had to obtain a court order and were limited to those records held by a business that was a common carrier, public accommodation facility, physical storage facility or vehicle rental facility.
Section 215 eliminated those arbitrary, dangerously narrow and self-limiting provisions but required that the records sought are relevant to an authorized investigation. However, unlike a standard prosecutor-issued subpoena, or even a grand jury subpoena, an order issued under Section 215 requires FISA court approval. In other words, Congress inserted a federal judge between investigators and potential suspects. Furthermore, the law requires substantial congressional oversight.
This provision allows law enforcement, with approval from the FISA court, to require disclosure of documents and other records from businesses and other institutions without a suspects knowledge. Third-party recipients of Section 215 orders can appeal the order to the FISA court.
Section 215 further protects civil liberties by requiring additional approval for document requests that might have the slightest relation to freedom of speech and expression, such as library records.
As Wainstein testified, There is no reason to return to the days when it is easier for prosecutors to secure records in a simple assault prosecution than for national security investigators to obtain records that may help prevent the next 9/11.
I was thinking of something more personal like, say, a quote of somebody here applauding it back then
Your wish is my command. Is the Heritage Foundation CON$ervative enough for you? Please reward.Can someone/anyone link me to something supporting the claim that "conservatives were all in favor of the Patriot Act when Bush passed it"??
After Bin Laden: Support the PATRIOT Act
After bin Laden: Support the PATRIOT Act
Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act: Business Record Orders under FISA. Domestic prosecutors routinely rely on business records and other concrete evidence to prove a wide variety of criminal charges from simple theft to homicide. Law enforcement, working with local prosecutors, acquires this evidence throughout the course of an investigation, often through the use of a subpoena. However, national security agents did not have the same authority to acquire similar evidence prior to the passage of Section 215. They had to obtain a court order and were limited to those records held by a business that was a common carrier, public accommodation facility, physical storage facility or vehicle rental facility.
Section 215 eliminated those arbitrary, dangerously narrow and self-limiting provisions but required that the records sought are relevant to an authorized investigation. However, unlike a standard prosecutor-issued subpoena, or even a grand jury subpoena, an order issued under Section 215 requires FISA court approval. In other words, Congress inserted a federal judge between investigators and potential suspects. Furthermore, the law requires substantial congressional oversight.
This provision allows law enforcement, with approval from the FISA court, to require disclosure of documents and other records from businesses and other institutions without a suspects knowledge. Third-party recipients of Section 215 orders can appeal the order to the FISA court.
Section 215 further protects civil liberties by requiring additional approval for document requests that might have the slightest relation to freedom of speech and expression, such as library records.
As Wainstein testified, There is no reason to return to the days when it is easier for prosecutors to secure records in a simple assault prosecution than for national security investigators to obtain records that may help prevent the next 9/11.
