Obama and Reid ALREADY Negotiated!!!

[Nyvin]

So the OVERWHELMING argument on these boards from right wingers is that Reid and Obama aren't willing to negotiate, this argument is inherently false right from the beginning because they have ALREADY negotiated the CR bill!! And here's the best part....the GOP already won on that budget deal!!

A 986 billion dollar CR bill (70 billion less then the democrats wanted) was already agreed between Reid and Boehner months ago. Boehner said "yes we can do that, and we won't bring ACA up"

986 Billion CR is Sequestration level discretionary spending, it's absolutely a conservative CR from any viewpoint possible.

Seeing that the GOP has already had terms given to them via the budget, they are now just trying to freely pocket that gain and pretend like nothing happened. Boehner got pressured relentlessly by tea bagger idiots to tie the CONSERVATIVE CR to ACA via defund/delay terms on the ACA.

This. Is. Ridiculous. The GOP sets the spending levels...they take. They up what they want to take with taking away from ACA....then they decide that they want to "Take less" and say they are negotiating WHEN THEY THEMSELVES HAVE NOT PUT ANYTHING AT ALL ON THE TABLE WHEN THE DEMOCRATS HAVE 2 OUT OF THE 3 BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT!!

They take with Spending levels (conservative CR)

They now want to take ACA

Take and Take...what have they "GIVEN"????????????????

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Republicans and their willing accomplices in the rightwing media are very good at framing debates with false premises.

In this case they are hammering the Democrats for not negotiating; their false premise is that these are negotiable items in the first place.

The non-negotiable items that the Republicans put on the table are

1. the running of the government

2. the paying of our debts

 

[Nyvin]

The Republicans and their willing accomplices in the rightwing media are very good at framing debates with false premises.

In this case they are hammering the Democrats for not negotiating; their false premise is that these are negotiable items in the first place.

The non-negotiable items that the Republicans put on the table are

1. the running of the government

2. the paying of our debts

Yes...apparently according to rightwing logic the GOP doesn't have to give a crap about funding the government or paying our debts...that's for the democrats to worry about....

 

[birddog]

The liberal lying idiots around here suck! You have to be some sort of extreme stupid to be a liberal!

 

[Nyvin]

The liberal lying idiots around here suck! You have to be some sort of extreme stupid to be a liberal!

omg! Ad Hominem attacks!! NEVER SAW THAT FROM A RIGHTWINGER BEFORE!!

pitiful.

 

[RDD_1210]

And don't let the GOP fool you. The don't want to negotiate. They want to make demands without offering anything in return. That's not negotiating. That's called hostage taking.

 

[Sallow]

So the OVERWHELMING argument on these boards from right wingers is that Reid and Obama aren't willing to negotiate, this argument is inherently false right from the beginning because they have ALREADY negotiated the CR bill!! And here's the best part....the GOP already won on that budget deal!!

A 986 billion dollar CR bill (70 billion less then the democrats wanted) was already agreed between Reid and Boehner months ago. Boehner said "yes we can do that, and we won't bring ACA up"

986 Billion CR is Sequestration level discretionary spending, it's absolutely a conservative CR from any viewpoint possible.

Seeing that the GOP has already had terms given to them via the budget, they are now just trying to freely pocket that gain and pretend like nothing happened. Boehner got pressured relentlessly by tea bagger idiots to tie the CONSERVATIVE CR to ACA via defund/delay terms on the ACA.

This. Is. Ridiculous. The GOP sets the spending levels...they take. They up what they want to take with taking away from ACA....then they decide that they want to "Take less" and say they are negotiating WHEN THEY THEMSELVES HAVE NOT PUT ANYTHING AT ALL ON THE TABLE WHEN THE DEMOCRATS HAVE 2 OUT OF THE 3 BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT!!

They take with Spending levels (conservative CR)

They now want to take ACA

Take and Take...what have they "GIVEN"????????????????

The Sequester was what happened the last time Obama capitulated.

The Republicans were like "Yeah, buddy..we'll negotiate, NO ONE WANTS THE SEQUESTER!"

This was essentially the same exact thing. They put a gun to the head of government.

Then? They pulled the trigger and knee capped it.

 

[Sallow]

The Republicans and their willing accomplices in the rightwing media are very good at framing debates with false premises.

In this case they are hammering the Democrats for not negotiating; their false premise is that these are negotiable items in the first place.

The non-negotiable items that the Republicans put on the table are

1. the running of the government

2. the paying of our debts

Yes...apparently according to rightwing logic the GOP doesn't have to give a crap about funding the government or paying our debts...that's for the democrats to worry about....

That's sort of wrong.

They want to fund their buddies, the defense contractors and fund their family farms or personal businesses.

Other than that?

Everyone can go pound sand.

 

[amrchaos]

Hey--that is a good question

What does the GOP offer in return for defunding Obamacare?

You can't say they will pass the CR or raise the debt ceiling--because they want that. So what?

 

[cutter]

We take in around 2T a year in taxes. We spend around 3T a year. It doesn't take a genius to see something has to change. The TEA PARTY was elected to see that happens. The TEA PARTY members of Congress are standing up to the big spending dems and rino's because it has to be done and the sooner the better. . We all should support them because they are the only members in Congress that are representing the average American.

 

[Nyvin]

We take in around 2T a year in taxes. We spend around 3T a year. It doesn't take a genius to see something has to change. The TEA PARTY was elected to see that happens. The TEA PARTY members of Congress are standing up to the big spending dems and rino's because it has to be done and the sooner the better. . We all should support them because they are the only members in Congress that are representing the average American.

Okay...fine! Do that in fair and balanced terms and it's perfectly acceptable. Win elections, get votes, pass legislation, give and take.

What's not okay is saying "Obama and Reid won't negotiate" when the negotiation already happened, the GOP got their terms...and THEN ask for even more without offering a single thing.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

So the OVERWHELMING argument on these boards from right wingers is that Reid and Obama aren't willing to negotiate, this argument is inherently false right from the beginning because they have ALREADY negotiated the CR bill!! And here's the best part....the GOP already won on that budget deal!!

A 986 billion dollar CR bill (70 billion less then the democrats wanted) was already agreed between Reid and Boehner months ago. Boehner said "yes we can do that, and we won't bring ACA up"

986 Billion CR is Sequestration level discretionary spending, it's absolutely a conservative CR from any viewpoint possible.

Seeing that the GOP has already had terms given to them via the budget, they are now just trying to freely pocket that gain and pretend like nothing happened. Boehner got pressured relentlessly by tea bagger idiots to tie the CONSERVATIVE CR to ACA via defund/delay terms on the ACA.

This. Is. Ridiculous. The GOP sets the spending levels...they take. They up what they want to take with taking away from ACA....then they decide that they want to "Take less" and say they are negotiating WHEN THEY THEMSELVES HAVE NOT PUT ANYTHING AT ALL ON THE TABLE WHEN THE DEMOCRATS HAVE 2 OUT OF THE 3 BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT!!

They take with Spending levels (conservative CR)

They now want to take ACA

Take and Take...what have they "GIVEN"????????????????

quote: "John Boehner can't even keep his own word when he makes a deal that maintains sequester-level spending. Think about the impact of that on future negotiations, and on Congress's ability to get anything done at all."

 

[Warrior102]

So the OVERWHELMING argument on these boards from right wingers is that Reid and Obama aren't willing to negotiate, this argument is inherently false right from the beginning because they have ALREADY negotiated the CR bill!! And here's the best part....the GOP already won on that budget deal!!

A 986 billion dollar CR bill (70 billion less then the democrats wanted) was already agreed between Reid and Boehner months ago. Boehner said "yes we can do that, and we won't bring ACA up"

986 Billion CR is Sequestration level discretionary spending, it's absolutely a conservative CR from any viewpoint possible.

Seeing that the GOP has already had terms given to them via the budget, they are now just trying to freely pocket that gain and pretend like nothing happened. Boehner got pressured relentlessly by tea bagger idiots to tie the CONSERVATIVE CR to ACA via defund/delay terms on the ACA.

This. Is. Ridiculous. The GOP sets the spending levels...they take. They up what they want to take with taking away from ACA....then they decide that they want to "Take less" and say they are negotiating WHEN THEY THEMSELVES HAVE NOT PUT ANYTHING AT ALL ON THE TABLE WHEN THE DEMOCRATS HAVE 2 OUT OF THE 3 BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT!!

They take with Spending levels (conservative CR)

They now want to take ACA

Take and Take...what have they "GIVEN"????????????????

quote: "John Boehner can't even keep his own word when he makes a deal that maintains sequester-level spending. Think about the impact of that on future negotiations, and on Congress's ability to get anything done at all."

Hey - nutless wonder. Why's your rep turned off?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

So the OVERWHELMING argument on these boards from right wingers is that Reid and Obama aren't willing to negotiate, this argument is inherently false right from the beginning because they have ALREADY negotiated the CR bill!! And here's the best part....the GOP already won on that budget deal!!

A 986 billion dollar CR bill (70 billion less then the democrats wanted) was already agreed between Reid and Boehner months ago. Boehner said "yes we can do that, and we won't bring ACA up"

986 Billion CR is Sequestration level discretionary spending, it's absolutely a conservative CR from any viewpoint possible.

Seeing that the GOP has already had terms given to them via the budget, they are now just trying to freely pocket that gain and pretend like nothing happened. Boehner got pressured relentlessly by tea bagger idiots to tie the CONSERVATIVE CR to ACA via defund/delay terms on the ACA.

This. Is. Ridiculous. The GOP sets the spending levels...they take. They up what they want to take with taking away from ACA....then they decide that they want to "Take less" and say they are negotiating WHEN THEY THEMSELVES HAVE NOT PUT ANYTHING AT ALL ON THE TABLE WHEN THE DEMOCRATS HAVE 2 OUT OF THE 3 BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT!!

They take with Spending levels (conservative CR)

They now want to take ACA

Take and Take...what have they "GIVEN"????????????????

quote: "John Boehner can't even keep his own word when he makes a deal that maintains sequester-level spending. Think about the impact of that on future negotiations, and on Congress's ability to get anything done at all."

Hey - nutless wonder. Why's your rep turned off?

What you talkin bout Willis?

 

[OKTexas]

We take in around 2T a year in taxes. We spend around 3T a year. It doesn't take a genius to see something has to change. The TEA PARTY was elected to see that happens. The TEA PARTY members of Congress are standing up to the big spending dems and rino's because it has to be done and the sooner the better. . We all should support them because they are the only members in Congress that are representing the average American.

Okay...fine! Do that in fair and balanced terms and it's perfectly acceptable. Win elections, get votes, pass legislation, give and take.

What's not okay is saying "Obama and Reid won't negotiate" when the negotiation already happened, the GOP got their terms...and THEN ask for even more without offering a single thing.

The negotiations you are reffering to happened 2 years ago when your dear leader came up with the sequester and the republicans accepted it. So you expect them to sit in the corner and accept that as an end point, really?

 

[Nyvin]

We take in around 2T a year in taxes. We spend around 3T a year. It doesn't take a genius to see something has to change. The TEA PARTY was elected to see that happens. The TEA PARTY members of Congress are standing up to the big spending dems and rino's because it has to be done and the sooner the better. . We all should support them because they are the only members in Congress that are representing the average American.

Okay...fine! Do that in fair and balanced terms and it's perfectly acceptable. Win elections, get votes, pass legislation, give and take.

What's not okay is saying "Obama and Reid won't negotiate" when the negotiation already happened, the GOP got their terms...and THEN ask for even more without offering a single thing.

The negotiations you are reffering to happened 2 years ago when your dear leader came up with the sequester and the republicans accepted it. So you expect them to sit in the corner and accept that as an end point, really?

The tax raises on incomes above $250,000 was the democrats part of it...the sequester cuts are the Republican part of it (they were even publicly announcing these terms)

Sequester level spending is "absolutely" a conservative agenda...there are democrats saying they want to reform the Sequester because it does too much to cut spending.

 

[cutter]

The old school, business as usual Republicans are on their way out. The future of our Republic depends on the success of the New Republicans,Tea Party, and what they can accomplish. When everyone said the Tea Party is irrelevant, a small bunch of radicals, the people of this country responded by throwing their support behind these New Republicans. The New Republican Party will be stronger that ever and more respected that ever after this budget and CR battle. You are seeing the creation of a new party with an old name. 2014 and 2016 will be a real awakening for the business as usual Government.

 

[OKTexas]

Okay...fine! Do that in fair and balanced terms and it's perfectly acceptable. Win elections, get votes, pass legislation, give and take.

What's not okay is saying "Obama and Reid won't negotiate" when the negotiation already happened, the GOP got their terms...and THEN ask for even more without offering a single thing.

The negotiations you are reffering to happened 2 years ago when your dear leader came up with the sequester and the republicans accepted it. So you expect them to sit in the corner and accept that as an end point, really?

The tax raises on incomes above $250,000 was the democrats part of it...the sequester cuts are the Republican part of it (they were even publicly announcing these terms)

Sequester level spending is "absolutely" a conservative agenda...there are democrats saying they want to reform the Sequester because it does too much to cut spending.

And we say it do enough and your dear leader wants more revenue and more spending. The people gave Washington a divided government, it's up to all to work with that. I still haven't seen one of you lefties that can explain why your dear leader refuses to give individuals the same exemption he gave companies. That could end this thing.

 

[Nyvin]

The negotiations you are reffering to happened 2 years ago when your dear leader came up with the sequester and the republicans accepted it. So you expect them to sit in the corner and accept that as an end point, really?

The tax raises on incomes above $250,000 was the democrats part of it...the sequester cuts are the Republican part of it (they were even publicly announcing these terms)

Sequester level spending is "absolutely" a conservative agenda...there are democrats saying they want to reform the Sequester because it does too much to cut spending.

And we say it do enough and your dear leader wants more revenue and more spending. The people gave Washington a divided government, it's up to all to work with that. I still haven't seen one of you lefties that can explain why your dear leader refuses to give individuals the same exemption he gave companies. That could end this thing.

The employer mandate had technical issues that stopped implementation. The individual mandate doesn't.

The fact is the current CR bill is conservative favored...the GOP has their piece of pie, now they ask for more with delaying ACA, that's just crazy.

 

[Annie]

Interesting re-inventing of history here, what played out last year was recorded and there's little doubt that the democrats thought sequesture would hurt the opposition, instead the left is now trying to take credit for the resulting lowering of debt increasing:

Bob Woodward: The inside story of how Obama and Boehner negotiate - Washington Post

Bob Woodward: The inside story of how Obama and Boehner negotiate
By Bob Woodward,September 06, 2013

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