Obama announces debt deal--GOP/Tea Party members WIN big!

[CrusaderFrank]

I don't see why you guys keep thinking that cutting spending is the only solution, is it because you guys have really taken a course in economics or is it because thats what the rightwing propaganda machine has programmed you to believe? Its not about how much money you spend as opposed to how and where you spend that money, I say the government should invest more money in small businesses instead of these uber rich big business and do away with tax cuts for the uber rich, let their "creativity" not the government make them more money.

Because it's the only solution to the overspending.

And if we want to see unprecedented economic growth we would cut spending and taxes.

It's called history. You go with what works. And you eliminate what doesn't.

Government shouldnt be investing our money. we should.

You do realize, that FDR got the country out of the Great Depression by SPENDING more money than ever before, right? Particularly by setting up, SS, and unemployment, and by starting dozens of different governmental organizations that provide hundreds of different services, millions of jobs, and made the country better?

Total bullshit!

FDR was a failure, a complete total failure who oversaw an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years. The only reason the FDR Depression is called "Great" was that it allowed the government to move toward Socialism and let the Democrat Party buy votes.

FDR supposedly is a Great President for "Getting us out of the Great Depression."

Here's the data set.

I see no greatness. I see 7 consecutive years of failure.

FDR US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. 7 year Average = 19.1%

What's so great about averaging 20% unemployment for 7 consecutive years?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/125346-the-imaginary-greatness-of-fdr.html

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You do realize, that FDR got the country out of the Great Depression by SPENDING more money than ever before, right? Particularly by setting up, SS, and unemployment, and by starting dozens of different governmental organizations that provide hundreds of different services, millions of jobs, and made the country better?

No, we DON'T realize it, because it isn't true. FDR, in fact, prolonged the Great Depression with his government spending programs. Nations do not tax and spend themselves into prosperity. Not now, not ever.

Absolutely untrue. Roll out the facts, CeCelie1200, or shut up, witch.

FDR US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. 7 year Average = 19.1%

What's so great about averaging 20% unemployment for 7 consecutive years?

There's the facts, Shirley

Also, let us know when the camera crews show up to interview you. I think you striking out against the Tea Party is a great story that needs to be covered

 

[8537]

Because it's the only solution to the overspending.

And if we want to see unprecedented economic growth we would cut spending and taxes.

It's called history. You go with what works. And you eliminate what doesn't.

Government shouldnt be investing our money. we should.

You do realize, that FDR got the country out of the Great Depression by SPENDING more money than ever before, right? Particularly by setting up, SS, and unemployment, and by starting dozens of different governmental organizations that provide hundreds of different services, millions of jobs, and made the country better?

No. FDR prolonged the Great Depression by spending money.

FDR took office in 1933. Between 1933 and 1937, the economy grew at a record peacetime pace not seen since - the fastest four year period of growth on record. The unemployment rate fell by a 1/3rd.

 

[JakeStarkey]

CeCelie1200 and Frank don't like facts.

 

[Full-Auto]

You do realize, that FDR got the country out of the Great Depression by SPENDING more money than ever before, right? Particularly by setting up, SS, and unemployment, and by starting dozens of different governmental organizations that provide hundreds of different services, millions of jobs, and made the country better?

No, we DON'T realize it, because it isn't true. FDR, in fact, prolonged the Great Depression with his government spending programs. Nations do not tax and spend themselves into prosperity. Not now, not ever.

Absolutely untrue. Roll out the facts, CeCelie1200, or shut up, witch.

You are the last one that should demand anything, given your track record of avoidance.

 

[JakeStarkey]

My track record is a consistent kicking your arguments back through the goal.

We are not returning to the past.

 

[hortysir]

It was a win for Obama...

Nope.


It was a win for China and the rest of our debtors.




One very gigantic can just got kicked down a very wide road

 

[CrusaderFrank]

CeCelie1200 and Frank don't like facts.

FDR US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. 7 year Average = 19.1%

What's so great about averaging 20% unemployment for 7 consecutive years?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You do realize, that FDR got the country out of the Great Depression by SPENDING more money than ever before, right? Particularly by setting up, SS, and unemployment, and by starting dozens of different governmental organizations that provide hundreds of different services, millions of jobs, and made the country better?

No. FDR prolonged the Great Depression by spending money.

FDR took office in 1933. Between 1933 and 1937, the economy grew at a record peacetime pace not seen since - the fastest four year period of growth on record. The unemployment rate fell by a 1/3rd.

That's it? UE fell by 1/3 in 4 years and you think that's an accomplishment?

Harding and Coolidge knocked it down by 75% in 18 months and then dropped unemployment to virtually 0% 18 months after that!

That's a record.

 

[8537]

No. FDR prolonged the Great Depression by spending money.

FDR took office in 1933. Between 1933 and 1937, the economy grew at a record peacetime pace not seen since - the fastest four year period of growth on record. The unemployment rate fell by a 1/3rd.

That's it? UE fell by 1/3 in 4 years and you think that's an accomplishment?

Yes! It fell more than 8 points. That would be the equivalent of about 12 million people finding jobs right now.

Harding and Coolidge knocked it down by 75% in 18 months and then dropped unemployment to virtually 0% 18 months after that!

That's a record.

Harding and Coolidge were dealing with a completely different crisis, one caused by the drop in demand from WW1 and fixed by a resurgence in spending to rebuild Europe. There was no crisis in the financial sector, there were no 4000 bank runs, investment spending didn't drop to zero etc....

Comparing 1921 and 1933 is just silly. Actually, it's worse than that.

 

[P@triot]

what a bunch of fucking pussies.
How can Obama be a tyrant when he fucking caves to these morons everytime?

Yeah - what an outrage that the federal government will be expected to balance their budget. I'm just furious. They should have the right to spend us into $14 trillion until we collapse. While we're at it, they should have the right to force insurance on us against our will. While we're at it, they should have the right to come into your house, rape your wife, place you and your children in ovens to "cleanse" the nation, and then take all of your items for their own wealth. Yeah, why should we restrict them in any capacity? They're the federal government. They should have the right to do anything they want to you or this country without exception.

You lazy, greedy, gimme-gimme-gimme liberals are just amazing. Why don't you people support yourselves and stop asking Uncle Sam to force the rest of us to provide for you?

 

[Conservative]

It was a win for Obama...

Nope.


It was a win for China and the rest of our debtors.




One very gigantic can just got kicked down a very wide road

It was pointed out in another thread someplace here that more than 60% of our 'debt' is held by the US itself in various forms.

 

[elvis]

It was a win for Obama...

Nope.


It was a win for China and the rest of our debtors.




One very gigantic can just got kicked down a very wide road

It was pointed out in another thread someplace here that more than 60% of our 'debt' is held by the US itself in various forms.

Is it still that high? I'd be surprised.

 

[P@triot]

Yup. They won. America lost. Congrats to big business, special props to your man Cantor.

It's truly astounding how uniformed and misguided you are... The only reason "America lost" is because Barack Hussein and the Dumbocrats now have a license to finish what they started - which is to spend this nation into complete collapse.

You have to hand it to the liberals - they win big and then try to convince the world they "lost" using their propaganda. They do this so they don't take the blame for their failed policies, and - in fact - it allows them to consolidate power further when they convince people it wasn't them that caused the collapse.

For anyone not lost, confused, misinformed, and misguided like Boop here, allow me to give you some actual facts about this deal that gives the Dumbocrats everything:

* The framework that Republicans and Democrats are close to approving would raise the debt limit by at least $2.1 trillion and get Obama and congressional Democrats past their target date: Election Day 2012.

* In return for this generous political cover, Democrats would agree to a modest $1 trillion in supposed cuts spread out over 10 years; $350 billion of those “upfront” savings come from gutting national security resources.

* In addition to the $1 trillion, the framework sets up a “special” congressional committee that would seek $1.4 trillion in “deficit reduction” by the end of 2011. Of course, for liberals, “deficit reduction” is synonymous with “higher taxes.”

* If the commission’s recommendations are not enacted, across-the-board spending cuts would be triggered, half of which (nearly $500 billion) would come from national security spending

* Sadly, some liberals view our nation’s national security as a bargaining chip and fail to recognize that (1) defense spending is not the cause of the problem, and (2) these cuts put our troops and our national security at risk. We suffered our first 9/11 attacks because Clinton gutted defense spending and neglected his National Security duties. Now, thanks to Barack Hussein and the Dumbocrats, we will suffer our second 9/11 in the future.

* If the commission’s recommendations are not enacted, across-the-board spending cuts would be triggered, half of which (nearly $500 billion) would come from national security spending, and apparently none of which would come from the ever-growing, budget-busting entitlement programs.

 

[Liability]

despite the medias best efforts to spin it, he has his own internal polling, he wants to be re-elected and hes never had a real conviction hes willing to go to the wall for in his whole life, hes a 'mediator' not a leader.

You say that like it's a bad thing....

When he tries to lead, he's a tyrant. When he compromises, he's a pussy. See how that works?

That is a valid criticism of the NATURE of the criticism of President Obama by SOME of his opponents.

In fairness, I would modify that kind of criticism in the following fashion:

When he tries to lead, he's mostly wrong. When he compromises, he's a pussy since he rarely compromises for any reason other than pure unprincipled expediency.

 

[Liability]

My track record is a consistent kicking your arguments back through the goal.

We are not returning to the past.

Baseless and inaccurate self congratulation is very amusing.

Thanks for the laughs, Jake.

 

[P@triot]

LOL

I like beer too.

Maybe we need a beer summit...as long as the Republicans are willing share

Oh, I know how that works. They'll send the Dems out to get beer, promising to pay half the tab upon their return.

Then they'll drink all the beer.

Then they'll renege.

That's funny - because conservatives believe that everyone should pay their own way and handle their own business. More proof of how misguided and confused you are on politics. You really are lost on American politics - you don't have the first clue who is who or what is what. Here's how it would actually play out:

Conservatives would go get their own beer. They'd take the personal responsibilty to make the necessary travel arrangements. They'd pick out the beer they want. They'd pay for it, weighing what they want vs. cost vs. available budget.

Liberals would beg for a ride for a split second (because they have no patience). Then they would explode in rage and violence claiming the conservative owes them a ride because they don't have their own ride. Of course, the liberal GOP "conservative" would cave and give him a ride. Upon arriving, the liberal would ask for money for the beer - again for a split second. Then they would explode in rage and violence claiming the conservative owes them beer because they don't have money for their own beer. Of course, the liberal GOP "conservative" would cave and give him money. With less money in his/her budget, the liberal GOP "conservative" would have to choose a beer they didn't want. But when they go to choose it, the liberal would explode in rage and violence telling them they need to regulate the type of beer the conservative is allowed to purchase, and would force them to take the beer the liberal wanted - knowing that the conservative wouldn't drink that beer and the liberal would be left with all of the beer for themselves. Then they would smile knowing the made someone else provide transportation, money, all of the beer, and transportation back.

That's the real world of our politics, not the Betty Boop idiot cartoon world of our politics.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Tea Party is now finished as ineffective force in American politics. Why? Obama and the Dems get to raise the ceiling by another two trillion. Obama et al don't have to worry about this debt until after 2012. The BBA is a dead duck that won't float in Congress now. The Dems will go after and may well get increased revenues. The Dems may get up to five hundred billion in defense spending cuts.

 

[manifold]

Yup. They won. America lost. Congrats to big business, special props to your man Cantor.

Isn't it a bit early to be drawing any conclusions now? Shouldn't we wait to see how it works out first? As a patriotic American I can only say that I really hope you're wrong.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR took office in 1933. Between 1933 and 1937, the economy grew at a record peacetime pace not seen since - the fastest four year period of growth on record. The unemployment rate fell by a 1/3rd.

That's it? UE fell by 1/3 in 4 years and you think that's an accomplishment?

Yes! It fell more than 8 points. That would be the equivalent of about 12 million people finding jobs right now.

Harding and Coolidge knocked it down by 75% in 18 months and then dropped unemployment to virtually 0% 18 months after that!

That's a record.

Harding and Coolidge were dealing with a completely different crisis, one caused by the drop in demand from WW1 and fixed by a resurgence in spending to rebuild Europe. There was no crisis in the financial sector, there were no 4000 bank runs, investment spending didn't drop to zero etc....

Comparing 1921 and 1933 is just silly. Actually, it's worse than that.

True. Harding and Coolidge had a much worse situation than FDR did, especially since FDR refused to work with Harding to stop the bank runs between Nov 1932 and his inauguration in March 1933. Not only that but to make matters worse, Congressional Democrats released the names of banks taking loans from the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to help accelerate the panic.

Hitler's invasion of Poland, the low countries and France did more for the US economy than FDR ever did.

(Of course I meant Hoover instead of Harding but let the Jack off enjoy his little victory)