obama caves again

[JoeB131]

Doubt it all you want... does not make it less true.

In 2002, Catholic health care systems, overseeing 625 hospitals with a combined revenue of 30 billion dollars, comprised the nation's largest group of nonprofit systems.[19] In 2008, the cost of running these hospitals had risen to $84.6 billion, including the $5.7 billion they donate.[20] According to the Catholic Health Association of the United States, 60 health care systems, on average, admit one in six patients nationwide each year.[21]

Catholic Church in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, stop following me around the forum, freak.

oh, come on, watching you make an ass of yourself is so much fun...

Actually, your statement about "donate" is a bit ambigious. Do the Hospitals donate to the Church of vice versa?

So I tracked down the original source that this figure came from in Wikipedia. Not surprisingly, it was from a Catholic Source written by a nun.

USCCB - Health Care Reform - Commentary

" At Providence, founded at the behest of President Lincoln by the Daughters of Charity, administrators provided $17.3 million in uncompensated care to the poor the same year. Catholic hospitals respect the life of everyone, from the newly conceived to those fading into the eternal light. Quality care trumps a patient's financial status, race or religion. In the U.S., one out of every six patients needing a hospital admission goes to a Catholic hospital. These hospitals cost about $84.6 billion to run, including at least $5.7 billion worth of donated services. "

In short, the Church takes tax write-offs. It's not a case of the congregation paying for the hospitals, the hospitals are doing just fine.

 

[dblack]

The libs are dead wrong on this. Yes, it is a 1st Amendment issue, and the issue outweights any rights concerning reproduction for women. Harsh, yes. But the mandate was wrong, period.

I agree the mandate was wrong, so why isn't it being repealed?

This isn't a first amendment issue. It's an issue of a really band trend in government. Our laws should be principled rules that apply to everyone and have justice as their goal, not negotiated power struggles among the 'vested interests'. And whether or not we must follow those rules shouldn't depend on membership in a powerful organization.

 

[Liability]

Liability is a far right extremist who would not know a real conservative if he came up and shook his hand. I will let you have the follow up remark wiithout rebuttal and you will still look silly.

By "far right," a poseur like Jakey means "a conservative."

The sad reality is: Jakey deliberately employs the misuse of language as a tool.

Fakey Jakey is ideologically now (and has for a long time been) just another liberal Democratic.

And you, Fakey, cannot "let" me have the last word. I may take it, but you cannot grant it or give it. It isn't yours to give or to withhold. As for looking silly, you do have a grand familiarity with that concept, to wit; almost all of your posts.

Fakey, you are too stubborn and foolish to ever grasp it, but I throw it in your face anyway. There is not a single person at USMB who has read a fair number of your posts who buys your transparently dishonest claim that you ever were a Republican. You are universally recognized as a fraud.

Carry on, cupcake.

 

[California Girl]

The libs are dead wrong on this. Yes, it is a 1st Amendment issue, and the issue outweights any rights concerning reproduction for women. Harsh, yes. But the mandate was wrong, period.

I agree the mandate was wrong, so why isn't it being repealed?

This isn't a first amendment issue. It's an issue of a really band trend in government. Our laws should be principled rules that apply to everyone and have justice as their goal, not negotiated power struggles among the 'vested interests'. And whether or not we must follow those rules shouldn't depend on membership in a powerful organization.

It absolutely is a First Amendment issue. It's the 'free exercise thereof'. To those of us who follow a faith, charity is absolutely fundamental to our core beliefs. It is what Christ told us to do. It's in the Bible, and it's in the First Amendment. That you don't understand those principles, those core beliefs, is immaterial. It is our right to practice our faith without government creating laws that stop us from doing that without compromising our beliefs. We cannot fund birth control, it is against our religion. But we must be charitable... all our charities are founded in Christ's teachings. Ergo, they are protected by the First Amendment.

 

[JoeB131]

Liability is a far right extremist who would not know a real conservative if he came up and shook his hand. I will let you have the follow up remark wiithout rebuttal and you will still look silly.

By "far right," a poseur like Jakey means "a conservative."

The sad reality is: Jakey deliberately employs the misuse of language as a tool.

Fakey Jakey is ideologically now (and has for a long time been) just another liberal Democratic.

And you, Fakey, cannot "let" me have the last word. I may take it, but you cannot grant it or give it. It isn't yours to give or to withhold. As for looking silly, you do have a grand familiarity with that concept, to wit; almost all of your posts.

Fakey, you are too stubborn and foolish to ever grasp it, but I throw it in your face anyway. There is not a single person at USMB who has read a fair number of your posts who buys your transparently dishonest claim that you ever were a Republican. You are universally recognized as a fraud.

Carry on, cupcake.

Last person who would defend FakeSnarkey at this point.

But when you have Ann Coulter defending RomneyCare as "Conservative", "Conservative and Liberal" have effectively lost any real meaning.

Fact is, you have three Republicans (Santorum, Gingrich and Romney) who have bent down at the altar of big government at various points in their careers. We are all socialists now.

 

[California Girl]

Liability is a far right extremist who would not know a real conservative if he came up and shook his hand. I will let you have the follow up remark wiithout rebuttal and you will still look silly.

By "far right," a poseur like Jakey means "a conservative."

The sad reality is: Jakey deliberately employs the misuse of language as a tool.

Fakey Jakey is ideologically now (and has for a long time been) just another liberal Democratic.

And you, Fakey, cannot "let" me have the last word. I may take it, but you cannot grant it or give it. It isn't yours to give or to withhold. As for looking silly, you do have a grand familiarity with that concept, to wit; almost all of your posts.

Fakey, you are too stubborn and foolish to ever grasp it, but I throw it in your face anyway. There is not a single person at USMB who has read a fair number of your posts who buys your transparently dishonest claim that you ever were a Republican. You are universally recognized as a fraud.

Carry on, cupcake.

Jokey gets very defensive of 'his Republican party', wants to run me and 'my ilk' out of it, if I remember rightly.... I still find that hysterically funny.... cuz I wouldn't join his fucking party if they paid me. Bunch of dishonest hacks - much like their "opposition".

 

[The T]

Liability is a far right extremist who would not know a real conservative if he came up and shook his hand. I will let you have the follow up remark wiithout rebuttal and you will still look silly.

By "far right," a poseur like Jakey means "a conservative."

The sad reality is: Jakey deliberately employs the misuse of language as a tool.

Fakey Jakey is ideologically now (and has for a long time been) just another liberal Democratic.

And you, Fakey, cannot "let" me have the last word. I may take it, but you cannot grant it or give it. It isn't yours to give or to withhold. As for looking silly, you do have a grand familiarity with that concept, to wit; almost all of your posts.

Fakey, you are too stubborn and foolish to ever grasp it, but I throw it in your face anyway. There is not a single person at USMB who has read a fair number of your posts who buys your transparently dishonest claim that you ever were a Republican. You are universally recognized as a fraud.

Carry on, cupcake.

Last person who would defend FakeSnarkey at this point.

But when you have Ann Coulter defending RomneyCare as "Conservative", "Conservative and Liberal" have effectively lost any real meaning.

Fact is, you have three Republicans (Santorum, Gingrich and Romney) who have bent down at the altar of big government at various points in their careers. We are all socialists now.

Even Coulter can be wrong. But humans do tend to make mistakes...

 

[Ava]

Color me shocked.

Once the shit hits the fan Barry bails. Wonder if he can throw anyone under his big assed bus??

I'm sure the left will just love it. LOL

And he will systematically, "cave" again on the Keystone XL pipeline, right before the November election. Who is he fooling?? The permit process, which has been going on since 2008, will have to begin all over again.

 

[California Girl]

Color me shocked.

Once the shit hits the fan Barry bails. Wonder if he can throw anyone under his big assed bus??

I'm sure the left will just love it. LOL

And he will systematically, "cave" again on the Keystone XL pipeline, right before the November election. Who is he fooling?? The permit process, which has been going on since 2008, will have to begin all over again.

On this one, the AHA debacle, he's trying to do a run around - to make it look like he's 'accommodating' the faiths... fortunately, the faiths aren't falling for his fake. I don't see how the Churches can accept his 'accommodation'.

 

[dblack]

The libs are dead wrong on this. Yes, it is a 1st Amendment issue, and the issue outweights any rights concerning reproduction for women. Harsh, yes. But the mandate was wrong, period.

I agree the mandate was wrong, so why isn't it being repealed?

This isn't a first amendment issue. It's an issue of a really band trend in government. Our laws should be principled rules that apply to everyone and have justice as their goal, not negotiated power struggles among the 'vested interests'. And whether or not we must follow those rules shouldn't depend on membership in a powerful organization.

It absolutely is a First Amendment issue. It's the 'free exercise thereof'. To those of us who follow a faith, charity is absolutely fundamental to our core beliefs. It is what Christ told us to do. It's in the Bible, and it's in the First Amendment. That you don't understand those principles, those core beliefs, is immaterial. It is our right to practice our faith without government creating laws that stop us from doing that without compromising our beliefs. We cannot fund birth control, it is against our religion. But we must be charitable... all our charities are founded in Christ's teachings. Ergo, they are protected by the First Amendment.

Well, I disagree for the reasons I've stated here repeatedly. The right to not have our personal convictions unnecessarily dictated by government is something that should be protected for everyone - not just the religious.

In any case, that debate is a distraction. This law is not religious persecution, it's really bad government. We're rapidly moving away from a nation of laws to a nation of regulations, rules decreed by an un-elected regulatory regime, and subject to endless horse-trading and exemptions granted to special interests.

 

[Intense]

Color me shocked.

Once the shit hits the fan Barry bails. Wonder if he can throw anyone under his big assed bus??

I'm sure the left will just love it. LOL

And he will systematically, "cave" again on the Keystone XL pipeline, right before the November election. Who is he fooling?? The permit process, which has been going on since 2008, will have to begin all over again.

On this one, the AHA debacle, he's trying to do a run around - to make it look like he's 'accommodating' the faiths... fortunately, the faiths aren't falling for his fake. I don't see how the Churches can accept his 'accommodation'.

Fine .... You don't want a half dozen.... I'll make a deal with you for six instead.

 

[Liability]

Liability is a far right extremist who would not know a real conservative if he came up and shook his hand. I will let you have the follow up remark wiithout rebuttal and you will still look silly.

By "far right," a poseur like Jakey means "a conservative."

The sad reality is: Jakey deliberately employs the misuse of language as a tool.

Fakey Jakey is ideologically now (and has for a long time been) just another liberal Democratic.

And you, Fakey, cannot "let" me have the last word. I may take it, but you cannot grant it or give it. It isn't yours to give or to withhold. As for looking silly, you do have a grand familiarity with that concept, to wit; almost all of your posts.

Fakey, you are too stubborn and foolish to ever grasp it, but I throw it in your face anyway. There is not a single person at USMB who has read a fair number of your posts who buys your transparently dishonest claim that you ever were a Republican. You are universally recognized as a fraud.

Carry on, cupcake.

Jokey gets very defensive of 'his Republican party', wants to run me and 'my ilk' out of it, if I remember rightly.... I still find that hysterically funny.... cuz I wouldn't join his fucking party if they paid me. Bunch of dishonest hacks - much like their "opposition".

The claim that it is or ever was "his" Republican Party is facially absurd.

I can't believe anybody brighter than TDM is ever fooled by his unsophisticated poseur skills.

I do applaud the fact that he can perceived the First Amendment violation in the ObamaCare fiasco. There are a couple of issues on which he has demonstrated some integrity and honesty. But overall, he is ideologically pretty far to the left and has a posting history of pretending (unconvincingly) to have been a main stream Republican.

As they used to say on Sesame Street: these things don't go together.

Nelson Rockefeller would have laughed at Fakey.

 

[Liability]

Liability is a far right extremist who would not know a real conservative if he came up and shook his hand. I will let you have the follow up remark wiithout rebuttal and you will still look silly.

By "far right," a poseur like Jakey means "a conservative."

The sad reality is: Jakey deliberately employs the misuse of language as a tool.

Fakey Jakey is ideologically now (and has for a long time been) just another liberal Democratic.

And you, Fakey, cannot "let" me have the last word. I may take it, but you cannot grant it or give it. It isn't yours to give or to withhold. As for looking silly, you do have a grand familiarity with that concept, to wit; almost all of your posts.

Fakey, you are too stubborn and foolish to ever grasp it, but I throw it in your face anyway. There is not a single person at USMB who has read a fair number of your posts who buys your transparently dishonest claim that you ever were a Republican. You are universally recognized as a fraud.

Carry on, cupcake.

Last person who would defend FakeSnarkey at this point.

But when you have Ann Coulter defending RomneyCare as "Conservative", "Conservative and Liberal" have effectively lost any real meaning.

Fact is, you have three Republicans (Santorum, Gingrich and Romney) who have bent down at the altar of big government at various points in their careers. We are all socialists now.

There is no political candidate who is "pure" conservative?

I am SHOCKED!

Shocked I say.

And yet, upon further reflection (measured in a few milliseconds), I cannot help but come to the conclusion that the least "conservative" in that group would still constitute a HUGE improvement over the incumbent.

 

[California Girl]

I agree the mandate was wrong, so why isn't it being repealed?

This isn't a first amendment issue. It's an issue of a really band trend in government. Our laws should be principled rules that apply to everyone and have justice as their goal, not negotiated power struggles among the 'vested interests'. And whether or not we must follow those rules shouldn't depend on membership in a powerful organization.

It absolutely is a First Amendment issue. It's the 'free exercise thereof'. To those of us who follow a faith, charity is absolutely fundamental to our core beliefs. It is what Christ told us to do. It's in the Bible, and it's in the First Amendment. That you don't understand those principles, those core beliefs, is immaterial. It is our right to practice our faith without government creating laws that stop us from doing that without compromising our beliefs. We cannot fund birth control, it is against our religion. But we must be charitable... all our charities are founded in Christ's teachings. Ergo, they are protected by the First Amendment.

Well, I disagree for the reasons I've stated here repeatedly. The right to not have our personal convictions unnecessarily dictated by government is something that should be protected for everyone - not just the religious.

In any case, that debate is a distraction. This law is not religious persecution, it's really bad government. We're rapidly moving away from a nation of laws to nation of regulations, rules decreed by an un-elected regulatory regime, and subject to endless horse-trading and exemptions granted to special interests.

I don't disagree that these are rights that should belong to everyone... but that does not negate the validity of the First Amendment argument for the churches.

The churches would disagree that it is not religious persecution - to us, to the faithful, it is.

But I absolutely agree with your comment about this becoming a country run by an over-reaching government, un-elected regulatory regime... and about the special interests... the only 'special interest' group in this country is 'We, the People'.

 

[Intense]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aFOmOusuUI]Exposing the 3 Card Monte - Ep15 Brian Brushwood on the Road - YouTube[/ame]
Exposing the 3 Card Monte - Ep15 Brian Brushwood on the Road

 

[JoeB131]

By "far right," a poseur like Jakey means "a conservative."

The sad reality is: Jakey deliberately employs the misuse of language as a tool.

Fakey Jakey is ideologically now (and has for a long time been) just another liberal Democratic.

And you, Fakey, cannot "let" me have the last word. I may take it, but you cannot grant it or give it. It isn't yours to give or to withhold. As for looking silly, you do have a grand familiarity with that concept, to wit; almost all of your posts.

Fakey, you are too stubborn and foolish to ever grasp it, but I throw it in your face anyway. There is not a single person at USMB who has read a fair number of your posts who buys your transparently dishonest claim that you ever were a Republican. You are universally recognized as a fraud.

Carry on, cupcake.

Last person who would defend FakeSnarkey at this point.

But when you have Ann Coulter defending RomneyCare as "Conservative", "Conservative and Liberal" have effectively lost any real meaning.

Fact is, you have three Republicans (Santorum, Gingrich and Romney) who have bent down at the altar of big government at various points in their careers. We are all socialists now.

Even Coulter can be wrong. But humans do tend to make mistakes...

Well, I think Coulter is wrong a lot.. My point was that a lot of Conservatives are willing to accept the supposed big government they hate, because the argument was lost pretty much when the government had to bail out the banks in 2008. Ceases to be an argument at that point, really.

Then it just becomes about not wanting the other guy to win.

 

[California Girl]

And he will systematically, "cave" again on the Keystone XL pipeline, right before the November election. Who is he fooling?? The permit process, which has been going on since 2008, will have to begin all over again.

On this one, the AHA debacle, he's trying to do a run around - to make it look like he's 'accommodating' the faiths... fortunately, the faiths aren't falling for his fake. I don't see how the Churches can accept his 'accommodation'.

Fine .... You don't want a half dozen.... I'll make a deal with you for six instead.

Pretty much, yea.

He thinks people are stupid.... I guess that's because they do seem to have a 'stupidity' issue on the left wing.

 

[The T]

Color me shocked.

Once the shit hits the fan Barry bails. Wonder if he can throw anyone under his big assed bus??

I'm sure the left will just love it. LOL

And he will systematically, "cave" again on the Keystone XL pipeline, right before the November election. Who is he fooling?? The permit process, which has been going on since 2008, will have to begin all over again.

Looks like Canada isn't waiting for the O to cave on the pipeline...

Will Canadian Oil Be For the Lamps of China?

 

[JDzBrain]

And no...NOT ONE SINGLE STATE had a mandated that FORCED them to do it. The FREE MARKET did it's job.

Not true...(Mind you, this is BEFORE the President's compromise)...

WRONG...unless you take my quote out of full context. The TRUTH is as I stated it. In 2002, all but 2% of health insurance companies covered one or both of these items and 86% covered BOTH in one form or the other and NOT ONE STATE required it AT THAT TIME!

See...this is what the left does. They tried the same crap with John McCain when he was running in 08. He was asked how he felt about insurance companies covering Viagra and no birth control. When his answer didn't fit the mold...they tried to paint him a fool.

The thing is that just the TINNIEST bit of checking put lie to the rhetoric. The Affordable Health Care Council's OWN STUDY released in 2004 says that's BULL.

So this revisionist crap don't work!

Now if someone wants to make the argument that the federal or state governments has the authority to DICTATE to a PRIVATE COMPANY what it's bushiness model should be...THAT'S easy. Cause there is NO doubt what the founders view was on the topic. And progressives WON'T like it!

The reason they eventually broke away from England and founded this country was NOT just religious freedom. The right to self determination was NOT just an after thought or rhetoric...it is the SOLE REASON for our independence!

Mandating what a private enterprise must or can produce or sale IS a violation of our founding principles!

And before some progressive spews the bull, well that is unLESS it infringes on another's RIGHTS. True and that is rights as in constitutional rights. NOT Jesse Jackson Jr's imaginary "all children have a right to a Blackberry" progressive wish-list rights!

Free market principles and the right to self determination took us from a 3rd rate backwater country to the most powerful economic force on the planet in just over a 100 years. It's taken the socialist/progressive movement, beginning with Woodrow Wilson less than 100 years to drag us back down to the verge of being a 3rd world economy again with this kind of market interventionist, central planning INSANITY.

THANKS MORONS!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Liability is a far right extremist who would not know a real conservative if he came up and shook his hand. I will let you have the follow up remark wiithout rebuttal and you will still look silly.

By "far right," a poseur like Jakey means "a conservative."

The sad reality is: Jakey deliberately employs the misuse of language as a tool.

Fakey Jakey is ideologically now (and has for a long time been) just another liberal Democratic.

And you, Fakey, cannot "let" me have the last word. I may take it, but you cannot grant it or give it. It isn't yours to give or to withhold. As for looking silly, you do have a grand familiarity with that concept, to wit; almost all of your posts.

Fakey, you are too stubborn and foolish to ever grasp it, but I throw it in your face anyway. There is not a single person at USMB who has read a fair number of your posts who buys your transparently dishonest claim that you ever were a Republican. You are universally recognized as a fraud.

Carry on, cupcake.

Sure, I can, I did, and I can revoke it. And I was right: you looked stupid. Have the last word now. Really!