Obama conspires with China to cripple U.S. energy?

[Vigilante]

So did we have treaties? Some in Congress consider attacking our Planes in the no fly zone after Gulf War I where we were part of the U.N. coalition was enough!

again, not the point. you said IF WE PHYSICALLY ARE ATTACKED .
YOU ARE MAKING FALSE COMPARISONS AND CONTRDICTING YOU SELF.

What are you babbling about... even you posted that Congress declares wars, and under special conditions the president can act without Congress!

yes I did you however did not ,this little gem is extremely specific :"IF WE PHYSICALLY ARE ATTACKED" no other circumstances or conditions are inferred.

And? Must I also explain if there is no TIME before another attack?

AND I got you by the balls again..

Yes you do teabagger.... right between your lips!...

 

[daws101]

Apparently China doesn't have to do anything until 2030. Nice agreement huh?

s

NOW if the Congress has the balls, they tell him, that Congress must ratify that DEAL in order for it to become effective.... I see no such HEROIC Republican, IN THE POSITION OF POWER, doing so!

false (executive order)

Show me an executive order that deals with an economic measure with a FOREIGN COUNTRY.... I can wait!.... I bet you didn't know that the President can't declare WAR, that's the job of Congress, he can only rubber stamp that!

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/12938.pdf

as to your second lame ass comment
What War Powers Does the President Have?
President George W. Bush characterizes the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as "acts of war." What legal and constitutional powers does the president have to declare war or to launch a military action against the terrorists?

Declaring War The United States has not formally declared war since World War II. Under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, Congress has sole power "to declare war [and] grant letters of marque and reprisal." But Article II, Section 2 provides that "The president shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." While it's clear that the Framers intended for Congress alone to declare war, presidents don't always check with Congress before acting. After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements.
Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.
Today, Congress met to discuss legislation to authorize the use of force under the War Powers Act. While lawmakers are still working out the language, the proposed measure will be a modified use-of-force resolution, modeled on the resolution used in 1991 to authorize action by President George Bush against Iraq prior to the Gulf War. That resolution authorized the president to "use armed forces pursuant to the UN Security Council's resolutions passed in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait." The resolution (HR-77) went out of its way not to be a declaration of war. In fact, other than saying this constitutes authorization under the War Powers Act, it never used the word war at all. It did cite a U.N. resolution seeking to "restore international peace and security in that area," so it was only a declaration of war if you can assume that the opposite of peace is sort of war.
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Shoot To Kill? Executive Order 12,333 prohibits assassination. This does not have the force of law but is merely a presidential pronouncement that can be repealed, modified, or suspended at any time by the president himself. As of last night, Congress was openly discussing ending the moratorium on assassinations.
International Law The U.N. charter was ratified by the Senate, and as such the president is bound by its terms. Nevertheless, the attacks on New York and Virginia are clearly war crimes under the U.N. definition. Moreover, Article 51 of the U.N. charter provides for the "inherent right ... of self-defense if an armed attack occurs." NATO also took steps toward approving military action yesterday, by invoking Article 5 of the NATO charter, authorizing the use of force if it's determined that this was attack from abroad against the United States.
Next question?


wrong again
now you'll try to spew some shit about it being unconstitutional..

The Constitution REQUIRES that all foreign treaties MUST be ratified by the Senate. perhaps you are to stupid to know that?

true still not the point if a president wants a war ie Truman bush etc. they will get it
congress declaring it is a technical formality.

 

[daws101]

NOW if the Congress has the balls, they tell him, that Congress must ratify that DEAL in order for it to become effective.... I see no such HEROIC Republican, IN THE POSITION OF POWER, doing so!

Show me an executive order that deals with an economic measure with a FOREIGN COUNTRY.... I can wait!.... I bet you didn't know that the President can't declare WAR, that's the job of Congress, he can only rubber stamp that!

It's right next to the executive order ignoring congress and our immigration laws, to flood America with illegals.

that not ignoring congress.. it's impossible to ignore something that does nothing.

Passed over 350 BILLS that your pond scum subversive, Harry Reid has SITTING on his desk!

none of them were acceptable...editing that shit is a major part of the majority leader's job.

How would you know when each one is SUPPOSED to be presented to the senate to vote or amend, than going to a joint committee to make appropriate changes!

supposed is meaningless

 

[saveliberty]

Seeing the name Gracie made me smile.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Apparently China doesn't have to do anything until 2030. Nice agreement huh?

s

NOW if the Congress has the balls, they tell him, that Congress must ratify that DEAL in order for it to become effective.... I see no such HEROIC Republican, IN THE POSITION OF POWER, doing so!

false (executive order)

Show me an executive order that deals with an economic measure with a FOREIGN COUNTRY.... I can wait!.... I bet you didn't know that the President can't declare WAR, that's the job of Congress, he can only rubber stamp that!

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/12938.pdf

as to your second lame ass comment
What War Powers Does the President Have?
President George W. Bush characterizes the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as "acts of war." What legal and constitutional powers does the president have to declare war or to launch a military action against the terrorists?

Declaring War The United States has not formally declared war since World War II. Under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, Congress has sole power "to declare war [and] grant letters of marque and reprisal." But Article II, Section 2 provides that "The president shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." While it's clear that the Framers intended for Congress alone to declare war, presidents don't always check with Congress before acting. After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements.
Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.
Today, Congress met to discuss legislation to authorize the use of force under the War Powers Act. While lawmakers are still working out the language, the proposed measure will be a modified use-of-force resolution, modeled on the resolution used in 1991 to authorize action by President George Bush against Iraq prior to the Gulf War. That resolution authorized the president to "use armed forces pursuant to the UN Security Council's resolutions passed in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait." The resolution (HR-77) went out of its way not to be a declaration of war. In fact, other than saying this constitutes authorization under the War Powers Act, it never used the word war at all. It did cite a U.N. resolution seeking to "restore international peace and security in that area," so it was only a declaration of war if you can assume that the opposite of peace is sort of war.
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Shoot To Kill? Executive Order 12,333 prohibits assassination. This does not have the force of law but is merely a presidential pronouncement that can be repealed, modified, or suspended at any time by the president himself. As of last night, Congress was openly discussing ending the moratorium on assassinations.
International Law The U.N. charter was ratified by the Senate, and as such the president is bound by its terms. Nevertheless, the attacks on New York and Virginia are clearly war crimes under the U.N. definition. Moreover, Article 51 of the U.N. charter provides for the "inherent right ... of self-defense if an armed attack occurs." NATO also took steps toward approving military action yesterday, by invoking Article 5 of the NATO charter, authorizing the use of force if it's determined that this was attack from abroad against the United States.
Next question?


wrong again
now you'll try to spew some shit about it being unconstitutional..

The Constitution REQUIRES that all foreign treaties MUST be ratified by the Senate. perhaps you are to stupid to know that?

true still not the point if a president wants a war ie Truman bush etc. they will get it
congress declaring it is a technical formality.

This treaty MUST be approved by the Senate and unless it is it is not the law. Pretty simple concept. and you argued Obama did not need Congress for it.

 

[daws101]

again, not the point. you said IF WE PHYSICALLY ARE ATTACKED .
YOU ARE MAKING FALSE COMPARISONS AND CONTRDICTING YOU SELF.

What are you babbling about... even you posted that Congress declares wars, and under special conditions the president can act without Congress!

yes I did you however did not ,this little gem is extremely specific :"IF WE PHYSICALLY ARE ATTACKED" no other circumstances or conditions are inferred.

And? Must I also explain if there is no TIME before another attack?

AND I got you by the balls again..

Yes you do teabagger.... right between your lips!...

wrong again any one resembling either kind of tea bagger is you...

 

[daws101]

Apparently China doesn't have to do anything until 2030. Nice agreement huh?

s

false (executive order)

Show me an executive order that deals with an economic measure with a FOREIGN COUNTRY.... I can wait!.... I bet you didn't know that the President can't declare WAR, that's the job of Congress, he can only rubber stamp that!

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/12938.pdf

as to your second lame ass comment
What War Powers Does the President Have?
President George W. Bush characterizes the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as "acts of war." What legal and constitutional powers does the president have to declare war or to launch a military action against the terrorists?

Declaring War The United States has not formally declared war since World War II. Under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, Congress has sole power "to declare war [and] grant letters of marque and reprisal." But Article II, Section 2 provides that "The president shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." While it's clear that the Framers intended for Congress alone to declare war, presidents don't always check with Congress before acting. After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements.
Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.
Today, Congress met to discuss legislation to authorize the use of force under the War Powers Act. While lawmakers are still working out the language, the proposed measure will be a modified use-of-force resolution, modeled on the resolution used in 1991 to authorize action by President George Bush against Iraq prior to the Gulf War. That resolution authorized the president to "use armed forces pursuant to the UN Security Council's resolutions passed in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait." The resolution (HR-77) went out of its way not to be a declaration of war. In fact, other than saying this constitutes authorization under the War Powers Act, it never used the word war at all. It did cite a U.N. resolution seeking to "restore international peace and security in that area," so it was only a declaration of war if you can assume that the opposite of peace is sort of war.
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Shoot To Kill? Executive Order 12,333 prohibits assassination. This does not have the force of law but is merely a presidential pronouncement that can be repealed, modified, or suspended at any time by the president himself. As of last night, Congress was openly discussing ending the moratorium on assassinations.
International Law The U.N. charter was ratified by the Senate, and as such the president is bound by its terms. Nevertheless, the attacks on New York and Virginia are clearly war crimes under the U.N. definition. Moreover, Article 51 of the U.N. charter provides for the "inherent right ... of self-defense if an armed attack occurs." NATO also took steps toward approving military action yesterday, by invoking Article 5 of the NATO charter, authorizing the use of force if it's determined that this was attack from abroad against the United States.
Next question?


wrong again
now you'll try to spew some shit about it being unconstitutional..

The Constitution REQUIRES that all foreign treaties MUST be ratified by the Senate. perhaps you are to stupid to know that?

true still not the point if a president wants a war ie Truman bush etc. they will get it
congress declaring it is a technical formality.

This treaty MUST be approved by the Senate and unless it is it is not the law. Pretty simple concept. and you argued Obama did not need Congress for it.

After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements. Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.

 

[Vigilante]

You really are a fucking nutbag, you've been demoted to a box of rocks for a brain!

"The President can not declare war, only the Congress can do that. The President/Commander-In-Chief can send the military immediate into a hostile situation, has to notify Congress within 48 hours of his actions, and then can keep the armed forces there for 60 days, plus 30 days to allow them to withdrawal from the area, without a state of war being declared by Congress."

Can president declare war without congress

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Apparently China doesn't have to do anything until 2030. Nice agreement huh?

s

Show me an executive order that deals with an economic measure with a FOREIGN COUNTRY.... I can wait!.... I bet you didn't know that the President can't declare WAR, that's the job of Congress, he can only rubber stamp that!

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/12938.pdf

as to your second lame ass comment
What War Powers Does the President Have?
President George W. Bush characterizes the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as "acts of war." What legal and constitutional powers does the president have to declare war or to launch a military action against the terrorists?

Declaring War The United States has not formally declared war since World War II. Under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, Congress has sole power "to declare war [and] grant letters of marque and reprisal." But Article II, Section 2 provides that "The president shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." While it's clear that the Framers intended for Congress alone to declare war, presidents don't always check with Congress before acting. After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements.
Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.
Today, Congress met to discuss legislation to authorize the use of force under the War Powers Act. While lawmakers are still working out the language, the proposed measure will be a modified use-of-force resolution, modeled on the resolution used in 1991 to authorize action by President George Bush against Iraq prior to the Gulf War. That resolution authorized the president to "use armed forces pursuant to the UN Security Council's resolutions passed in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait." The resolution (HR-77) went out of its way not to be a declaration of war. In fact, other than saying this constitutes authorization under the War Powers Act, it never used the word war at all. It did cite a U.N. resolution seeking to "restore international peace and security in that area," so it was only a declaration of war if you can assume that the opposite of peace is sort of war.
ADVERTISEMENT
Shoot To Kill? Executive Order 12,333 prohibits assassination. This does not have the force of law but is merely a presidential pronouncement that can be repealed, modified, or suspended at any time by the president himself. As of last night, Congress was openly discussing ending the moratorium on assassinations.
International Law The U.N. charter was ratified by the Senate, and as such the president is bound by its terms. Nevertheless, the attacks on New York and Virginia are clearly war crimes under the U.N. definition. Moreover, Article 51 of the U.N. charter provides for the "inherent right ... of self-defense if an armed attack occurs." NATO also took steps toward approving military action yesterday, by invoking Article 5 of the NATO charter, authorizing the use of force if it's determined that this was attack from abroad against the United States.
Next question?


wrong again
now you'll try to spew some shit about it being unconstitutional..

The Constitution REQUIRES that all foreign treaties MUST be ratified by the Senate. perhaps you are to stupid to know that?

true still not the point if a president wants a war ie Truman bush etc. they will get it
congress declaring it is a technical formality.

This treaty MUST be approved by the Senate and unless it is it is not the law. Pretty simple concept. and you argued Obama did not need Congress for it.

After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements. Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.

Read the Constitution. The President can propose any treaty he wants. it does not become law until the Senate approves it. You can crow all you want about war that is not the issue. You claimed that Obama did not need Congress for the treaty about global warming, that is incorrect. His proposed treaty with China is only official IF the Senate concurs.

 

[daws101]

You really are a fucking nutbag, you've been demoted to a box of rocks for a brain!

"The President can not declare war, only the Congress can do that. The President/Commander-In-Chief can send the military immediate into a hostile situation, has to notify Congress within 48 hours of his actions, and then can keep the armed forces there for 60 days, plus 30 days to allow them to withdrawal from the area, without a state of war being declared by Congress."

Can president declare war without congress

but they have.....that reality trumps all your waling and tub thumping .

 

[saveliberty]

Acts of War have been render unnecessary, as we bomb from countries and platforms far from the nations we engage.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You really are a fucking nutbag, you've been demoted to a box of rocks for a brain!

"The President can not declare war, only the Congress can do that. The President/Commander-In-Chief can send the military immediate into a hostile situation, has to notify Congress within 48 hours of his actions, and then can keep the armed forces there for 60 days, plus 30 days to allow them to withdrawal from the area, without a state of war being declared by Congress."

Can president declare war without congress

but they have.....that reality trumps all your waling and tub thumping .

This thread is about a treaty proposed between the US and China and you claimed Congress had nothing to do with it that Obama could enact the treaty without Congress. You lose. The Senate must approve all treaties or they do not become law.

 

[Vigilante]

You really are a fucking nutbag, you've been demoted to a box of rocks for a brain!

"The President can not declare war, only the Congress can do that. The President/Commander-In-Chief can send the military immediate into a hostile situation, has to notify Congress within 48 hours of his actions, and then can keep the armed forces there for 60 days, plus 30 days to allow them to withdrawal from the area, without a state of war being declared by Congress."

Can president declare war without congress

but they have.....that reality trumps all your waling and tub thumping .

This president has done MANY things that are Unconstitutional, war is just one of them... if NO ONE complains and does something about it, he CONTINUES to be a TYRANT!

 

[daws101]

Apparently China doesn't have to do anything until 2030. Nice agreement huh?

s
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/12938.pdf

as to your second lame ass comment
What War Powers Does the President Have?
President George W. Bush characterizes the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as "acts of war." What legal and constitutional powers does the president have to declare war or to launch a military action against the terrorists?

Declaring War The United States has not formally declared war since World War II. Under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, Congress has sole power "to declare war [and] grant letters of marque and reprisal." But Article II, Section 2 provides that "The president shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." While it's clear that the Framers intended for Congress alone to declare war, presidents don't always check with Congress before acting. After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements.
Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.
Today, Congress met to discuss legislation to authorize the use of force under the War Powers Act. While lawmakers are still working out the language, the proposed measure will be a modified use-of-force resolution, modeled on the resolution used in 1991 to authorize action by President George Bush against Iraq prior to the Gulf War. That resolution authorized the president to "use armed forces pursuant to the UN Security Council's resolutions passed in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait." The resolution (HR-77) went out of its way not to be a declaration of war. In fact, other than saying this constitutes authorization under the War Powers Act, it never used the word war at all. It did cite a U.N. resolution seeking to "restore international peace and security in that area," so it was only a declaration of war if you can assume that the opposite of peace is sort of war.
ADVERTISEMENT
Shoot To Kill? Executive Order 12,333 prohibits assassination. This does not have the force of law but is merely a presidential pronouncement that can be repealed, modified, or suspended at any time by the president himself. As of last night, Congress was openly discussing ending the moratorium on assassinations.
International Law The U.N. charter was ratified by the Senate, and as such the president is bound by its terms. Nevertheless, the attacks on New York and Virginia are clearly war crimes under the U.N. definition. Moreover, Article 51 of the U.N. charter provides for the "inherent right ... of self-defense if an armed attack occurs." NATO also took steps toward approving military action yesterday, by invoking Article 5 of the NATO charter, authorizing the use of force if it's determined that this was attack from abroad against the United States.
Next question?


wrong again
now you'll try to spew some shit about it being unconstitutional..

The Constitution REQUIRES that all foreign treaties MUST be ratified by the Senate. perhaps you are to stupid to know that?

true still not the point if a president wants a war ie Truman bush etc. they will get it
congress declaring it is a technical formality.

This treaty MUST be approved by the Senate and unless it is it is not the law. Pretty simple concept. and you argued Obama did not need Congress for it.

After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements. Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.

Read the Constitution. The President can propose any treaty he wants. it does not become law until the Senate approves it. You can crow all you want about war that is not the issue. You claimed that Obama did not need Congress for the treaty about global warming, that is incorrect. His proposed treaty with China is only official IF the Senate concurs.

I have a copy of the constitution right next to my monitor and it's well used.
of course it's the issue.
but then again so is climate change..

 

[daws101]

You really are a fucking nutbag, you've been demoted to a box of rocks for a brain!

"The President can not declare war, only the Congress can do that. The President/Commander-In-Chief can send the military immediate into a hostile situation, has to notify Congress within 48 hours of his actions, and then can keep the armed forces there for 60 days, plus 30 days to allow them to withdrawal from the area, without a state of war being declared by Congress."

Can president declare war without congress

but they have.....that reality trumps all your waling and tub thumping .

This thread is about a treaty proposed between the US and China and you claimed Congress had nothing to do with it that Obama could enact the treaty without Congress. You lose. The Senate must approve all treaties or they do not become law.

we'll see.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Apparently China doesn't have to do anything until 2030. Nice agreement huh?

The Constitution REQUIRES that all foreign treaties MUST be ratified by the Senate. perhaps you are to stupid to know that?

true still not the point if a president wants a war ie Truman bush etc. they will get it
congress declaring it is a technical formality.

This treaty MUST be approved by the Senate and unless it is it is not the law. Pretty simple concept. and you argued Obama did not need Congress for it.

After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements. Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.

Read the Constitution. The President can propose any treaty he wants. it does not become law until the Senate approves it. You can crow all you want about war that is not the issue. You claimed that Obama did not need Congress for the treaty about global warming, that is incorrect. His proposed treaty with China is only official IF the Senate concurs.

I have a copy of the constitution right next to my monitor and it's well used.
of course it's the issue.
but then again so is climate change..

Then why did you claim a treaty proposed by Obama was law with out Senate confirmation?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You really are a fucking nutbag, you've been demoted to a box of rocks for a brain!

"The President can not declare war, only the Congress can do that. The President/Commander-In-Chief can send the military immediate into a hostile situation, has to notify Congress within 48 hours of his actions, and then can keep the armed forces there for 60 days, plus 30 days to allow them to withdrawal from the area, without a state of war being declared by Congress."

Can president declare war without congress

but they have.....that reality trumps all your waling and tub thumping .

This thread is about a treaty proposed between the US and China and you claimed Congress had nothing to do with it that Obama could enact the treaty without Congress. You lose. The Senate must approve all treaties or they do not become law.

we'll see.

Nothing to see the President does not have the authority to make the changes with out Congress. The Constitution is clear on that.

 

[Vigilante]

Apparently China doesn't have to do anything until 2030. Nice agreement huh?

The Constitution REQUIRES that all foreign treaties MUST be ratified by the Senate. perhaps you are to stupid to know that?

true still not the point if a president wants a war ie Truman bush etc. they will get it
congress declaring it is a technical formality.

This treaty MUST be approved by the Senate and unless it is it is not the law. Pretty simple concept. and you argued Obama did not need Congress for it.

After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements. Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.

Read the Constitution. The President can propose any treaty he wants. it does not become law until the Senate approves it. You can crow all you want about war that is not the issue. You claimed that Obama did not need Congress for the treaty about global warming, that is incorrect. His proposed treaty with China is only official IF the Senate concurs.

I have a copy of the constitution right next to my monitor and it's well used.
of course it's the issue.
but then again so is climate change..

Where is climate change written in the Constitution, or just SOMEONE INTERPRETATION of the Constitution?

 

[daws101]

You really are a fucking nutbag, you've been demoted to a box of rocks for a brain!

"The President can not declare war, only the Congress can do that. The President/Commander-In-Chief can send the military immediate into a hostile situation, has to notify Congress within 48 hours of his actions, and then can keep the armed forces there for 60 days, plus 30 days to allow them to withdrawal from the area, without a state of war being declared by Congress."

Can president declare war without congress

but they have.....that reality trumps all your waling and tub thumping .

This president has done MANY things that are Unconstitutional, war is just one of them... if NO ONE complains and does something about it, he CONTINUES to be a TYRANT!

not this bullshit again Obama is not a tyrant...that a paranoid racist dream...

 

[daws101]

You really are a fucking nutbag, you've been demoted to a box of rocks for a brain!

"The President can not declare war, only the Congress can do that. The President/Commander-In-Chief can send the military immediate into a hostile situation, has to notify Congress within 48 hours of his actions, and then can keep the armed forces there for 60 days, plus 30 days to allow them to withdrawal from the area, without a state of war being declared by Congress."

Can president declare war without congress

but they have.....that reality trumps all your waling and tub thumping .

This thread is about a treaty proposed between the US and China and you claimed Congress had nothing to do with it that Obama could enact the treaty without Congress. You lose. The Senate must approve all treaties or they do not become law.

we'll see.

Nothing to see the President does not have the authority to make the changes with out Congress. The Constitution is clear on that.

that's what is suppose to happen .in reality.........