Obama conspires with China to cripple U.S. energy?

[RetiredGySgt]

You really are a fucking nutbag, you've been demoted to a box of rocks for a brain!

"The President can not declare war, only the Congress can do that. The President/Commander-In-Chief can send the military immediate into a hostile situation, has to notify Congress within 48 hours of his actions, and then can keep the armed forces there for 60 days, plus 30 days to allow them to withdrawal from the area, without a state of war being declared by Congress."

Can president declare war without congress

but they have.....that reality trumps all your waling and tub thumping .

This thread is about a treaty proposed between the US and China and you claimed Congress had nothing to do with it that Obama could enact the treaty without Congress. You lose. The Senate must approve all treaties or they do not become law.

we'll see.

Nothing to see the President does not have the authority to make the changes with out Congress. The Constitution is clear on that.

that's what is suppose to happen .in reality.........

So you claim Obama is not a tyrant then turn right around and claim he can enact laws and legislation with EO. You are beyond stupid.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[daws101]

true still not the point if a president wants a war ie Truman bush etc. they will get it
congress declaring it is a technical formality.

This treaty MUST be approved by the Senate and unless it is it is not the law. Pretty simple concept. and you argued Obama did not need Congress for it.

After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements. Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.

Read the Constitution. The President can propose any treaty he wants. it does not become law until the Senate approves it. You can crow all you want about war that is not the issue. You claimed that Obama did not need Congress for the treaty about global warming, that is incorrect. His proposed treaty with China is only official IF the Senate concurs.

I have a copy of the constitution right next to my monitor and it's well used.
of course it's the issue.
but then again so is climate change..

Where is climate change written in the Constitution, or just SOMEONE INTERPRETATION of the Constitution?

please locknuts climate change among a million other things are not in the constitution because they did not exist then. that's why the founders made it open ended


I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
Thomas Jefferson.

 

[daws101]

but they have.....that reality trumps all your waling and tub thumping .

This thread is about a treaty proposed between the US and China and you claimed Congress had nothing to do with it that Obama could enact the treaty without Congress. You lose. The Senate must approve all treaties or they do not become law.

we'll see.

Nothing to see the President does not have the authority to make the changes with out Congress. The Constitution is clear on that.

that's what is suppose to happen .in reality.........

So you claim Obama is not a tyrant then turn right around and claim he can enact laws and legislation with EO. You are beyond stupid.

like I SAID IN REALITY....
THE FOLKS SHOW CASING STUPIDTY HERE ARE YOU .

 

[RetiredGySgt]

This treaty MUST be approved by the Senate and unless it is it is not the law. Pretty simple concept. and you argued Obama did not need Congress for it.

After President Harry Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea, presidents have paid almost no attention to the constitutional requirements. Declaring Less Than War In 1973, an irate Congress passed the War Powers Act in response to President Lyndon Johnson and President Richard Nixon's prosecution of the war in Vietnam without a congressional declaration. Under the War Powers Act, the president has 90 days after introducing troops into hostilities to obtain congressional approval of that action. It looks good on paper, but presidents have generally ignored the War Powers Act, citing Article II, Section 2 as their authority to send soldiers into combat.

Read the Constitution. The President can propose any treaty he wants. it does not become law until the Senate approves it. You can crow all you want about war that is not the issue. You claimed that Obama did not need Congress for the treaty about global warming, that is incorrect. His proposed treaty with China is only official IF the Senate concurs.

I have a copy of the constitution right next to my monitor and it's well used.
of course it's the issue.
but then again so is climate change..

Where is climate change written in the Constitution, or just SOMEONE INTERPRETATION of the Constitution?

please locknuts climate change among a million other things are not in the constitution because they did not exist then. that's why the founders made it open ended


I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
Thomas Jefferson.

And yet you claim that Obama can ignore the Constitution. But insist he is not a Tyrant?

 

[Vigilante]

He also said....

 

[daws101]

is that from your porn collection..?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

This thread is about a treaty proposed between the US and China and you claimed Congress had nothing to do with it that Obama could enact the treaty without Congress. You lose. The Senate must approve all treaties or they do not become law.

we'll see.

Nothing to see the President does not have the authority to make the changes with out Congress. The Constitution is clear on that.

that's what is suppose to happen .in reality.........

So you claim Obama is not a tyrant then turn right around and claim he can enact laws and legislation with EO. You are beyond stupid.

like I SAID IN REALITY....
THE FOLKS SHOW CASING STUPIDTY HERE ARE YOU .

Without the Senate the treaty does not become law, without an act of both houses in Congress the stipulated green house levels can not be enforced on American business.

 

[daws101]

He also said....

false comparison and misinterpretation

 

[Vigilante]

is that from your porn collection..?

You consider Obuma porn.... how observant you are!

 

[Vigilante]

He also said....

false comparison and misinterpretation

No, it's not, but it steps on your dick!

 

[daws101]

we'll see.

Nothing to see the President does not have the authority to make the changes with out Congress. The Constitution is clear on that.

that's what is suppose to happen .in reality.........

So you claim Obama is not a tyrant then turn right around and claim he can enact laws and legislation with EO. You are beyond stupid.

like I SAID IN REALITY....
THE FOLKS SHOW CASING STUPIDTY HERE ARE YOU .

Without the Senate the treaty does not become law, without an act of both houses in Congress the stipulated green house levels can not be enforced on American business.

then you woke up.
American business will do whatever it takes to stay in business.

 

[daws101]

is that from your porn collection..?

You consider Obuma porn.... how observant you are!

hardly but it's obvious you do your posts tell a story of unrequited love

 

[Vigilante]

Nothing to see the President does not have the authority to make the changes with out Congress. The Constitution is clear on that.

that's what is suppose to happen .in reality.........

So you claim Obama is not a tyrant then turn right around and claim he can enact laws and legislation with EO. You are beyond stupid.

like I SAID IN REALITY....
THE FOLKS SHOW CASING STUPIDTY HERE ARE YOU .

Without the Senate the treaty does not become law, without an act of both houses in Congress the stipulated green house levels can not be enforced on American business.

then you woke up.
American business will do whatever it takes to stay in business.

Yes, leave the country under oppressive taxation! How bright is the obomanation about that?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Nothing to see the President does not have the authority to make the changes with out Congress. The Constitution is clear on that.

that's what is suppose to happen .in reality.........

So you claim Obama is not a tyrant then turn right around and claim he can enact laws and legislation with EO. You are beyond stupid.

like I SAID IN REALITY....
THE FOLKS SHOW CASING STUPIDTY HERE ARE YOU .

Without the Senate the treaty does not become law, without an act of both houses in Congress the stipulated green house levels can not be enforced on American business.

then you woke up.
American business will do whatever it takes to stay in business.

Retard, Obama can not enforce the cuts without a law from Congress and he can not enforce the treaty with out Senate approval.

 

[The Irish Ram]

We have had citizens killed with guns our own government ran across the border. And yet Obama signed a gun treaty with the U.N.
Find our constitution in either of those actions.

 

[Vigilante]

is that from your porn collection..?

You consider Obuma porn.... how observant you are!

hardly but it's obvious you do your posts tell a story of unrequited love

Now you seem to be defeated, shall you formally surrender, or shall you continue to be our entertainment?

 

[daws101]

He also said....

false comparison and misinterpretation

No, it's not, but it steps on your dick!

more wishful thinking.
beside it's out of context.....

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[Vigilante]

He also said....

false comparison and misinterpretation

No, it's not, but it steps on your dick!

more wishful thinking.
beside it's out of context.....

Yes, no rational reply as expected when one is put down... how about playing the race card, that's always amusing!