Obama Gives the Green Light to Turkey to MURDER Former U.S. Soldiers Fighting ISIS

[amrchaos]

First the PKK is a terrorist group. Join them and you are a terrorist.

2nd, there are other kurds not affiliated with the PKK that are fighting ISIS that are supported by the US.

So whether the story is true or not, any American working with terrorist are to be considered terrorist themselves. Turkey can kill them all and there is nothing the US could do about.

 

[Obiwan]

ISIS Sees Turkey as Its Ally Former Islamic State Member Reveals Turkish Army Cooperation

A former member of ISIS has revealed the extent to which the cooperation of the Turkish military allows the terrorist group, who now control large parts of Iraq and Syria, to travel through Turkish territory to reinforce fighters battling Kurdish forces.

A reluctant former communications technician working for Islamic State, now going by the pseudonym 'Sherko Omer', who managed to escape the group, toldNewsweek that he travelled in a convoy of trucks as part of an ISIS unit from their stronghold in Raqqa, across Turkish border, through Turkey and then back across the border to attack Syrian Kurds in the city of Serekaniye in northern Syria in February.

"ISIS commanders told us to fear nothing at all because there was full cooperation with the Turks," said Omer of crossing the border into Turkey, "and they reassured us that nothing will happen, especially when that is how they regularly travel from Raqqa and Aleppo to the Kurdish areas further northeast of Syria because it was impossible to travel through Syria as YPG [National Army of Syrian Kurdistan] controlled most parts of the Kurdish region."

 

[Camp]

Overall, the PKK are pretty clearly in the right in this situation - but Turkey is at war with them, and Turkey is actually our ally.

The ex soldiers in question are fighting alongside the PKK?

So the link is claiming.

I certainly won't trust anything that Jim Hoft has said, I can't say for sure that any American vets are actually fighting alongside the PKK - but they are the ones being bombed by Turkey.

Jim Hoft is, after all, the dumbest man on the internet.

Guess I shoulda read it, was doing other crap and got lazy. I guess we shall see, as another poster stated: If it's legit, other sources will have the story.

I doubt you will ever see this anywhere else. Turkey has always been at war with the PKK. Obama hasn't given the "greenlight" to murder anyone. The PKK is on the US terrorist list.

Foreign Terrorist Organizations

The US soldiers who have joined it, if they actually have, should have thought of that first.

The US soldiers who have joined the Kurds joined up with the YPG. The YPG actually fights with the communist inspired PPK. There are no known Americans affiliated with the PPK. You can learn about the difference in these groups with a simple google search, although you can find other sources also. The article being used in this case is just an Obama bashing thing with no concern about accuracy or truth.

 

[Mac1958]

Wow, interesting. Something tells me the shape of Turkey is not going to remain as it is now.

Assuming it isn't swallowed up in some kind of Middle East restructuring war.

.

 

[Obiwan]

Links between Turkey and ISIS are now undeniable - Business Insider

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/1...steady-source-of-isis-recruits.html?referrer=

The United States has put heavy pressure on Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, to better police Turkey’s 560-mile-long border with Syria. Washington wants Turkey to stanch the flow of foreign fighters and to stop ISIS from exporting the oil it produces on territory it holds in Syria and Iraq.

So far, Mr. Erdogan has resisted pleas to take aggressive steps against the group, citing the fate of 49 Turkish hostages ISIS has held since militants took over Iraq’s second-largest city, Mosul, in June. Turkey declined to sign a communiqué last Thursday that committed a number of regional states to take “appropriate” new measures to counter ISIS, frustrating American officials.


“There are clearly recruitment centers being set up in Ankara and elsewhere in Turkey, but the government doesn’t seem to care,” said Aaron Stein, a fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a London-based think tank. “It seems their hatred for Bashar al-Assad and their overly nuanced view of what radical Islam is has led to a very short- and narrow-sighted policy that has serious implications.”


A quick Internet search also shows Turkey is a common point of entry into the region to join ISIS.

 

[amrchaos]

In the end, the Kurds are going to defend Northern Iraq. The problem is the relationship between Kurds and Turks.

 

[CowboyTed]

In the end, the Kurds are going to defend Northern Iraq. The problem is the relationship between Kurds and Turks.

The OP here was hopeless... The truth is the whole area is a bunch of in fighting for various reasons. Obama is doing his best at trying to stay out of it as much as possible without giving ISIS control of Iraq.
There is various regional and sub regional interests which historic and religious background ...

 

[MisterBeale]

Overall, the PKK are pretty clearly in the right in this situation - but Turkey is at war with them, and Turkey is actually our ally.

The ex soldiers in question are fighting alongside the PKK?

So the link is claiming.

I certainly won't trust anything that Jim Hoft has said, I can't say for sure that any American vets are actually fighting alongside the PKK - but they are the ones being bombed by Turkey.

Jim Hoft is, after all, the dumbest man on the internet.

I read that. . . .
Jim Hoft: Dumbest Man on the Internet?
Jim Hoft Dumbest Man on the Internet Blog Media Matters for America

 

[Obiwan]

Mr Beale

Media don't Matter isn't a source. It's the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party.
Media Matters Boss Admits Soros Funded Group Works to Destroy Alternative Media Alex Jones Infowars There s a war on for your mind

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/mediamattersagendasandactivities.html

 

[MisterBeale]

Wow, interesting. Something tells me the shape of Turkey is not going to remain as it is now.

Assuming it isn't swallowed up in some kind of Middle East restructuring war.

.

The was the general idea in Condoleezza Rice's speech. This is what the world elites have in mind.

This is why the US, with the help of Saudi Arabia and Israel created ISIS.


Plans for Redrawing the Middle East: The Project for a “New Middle East”
Plans for Redrawing the Middle East The Project for a New Middle East Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

The term “New Middle East” was introduced to the world in June 2006 in Tel Aviv by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (who was credited by the Western media for coining the term) in replacement of the older and more imposing term, the “Greater Middle East.”


This shift in foreign policy phraseology coincided with the inauguration of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) Oil Terminal in the Eastern Mediterranean. The term and conceptualization of the “New Middle East,” was subsequently heralded by the U.S. Secretary of State and the Israeli Prime Minister at the height of the Anglo-American sponsored Israeli siege of Lebanon. Prime Minister Olmert and Secretary Rice had informed the international media that a project for a “New Middle East” was being launched from Lebanon.


This announcement was a confirmation of an Anglo-American-Israeli “military roadmap” in the Middle East. This project, which has been in the planning stages for several years, consists in creating an arc of instability, chaos, and violence extending from Lebanon, Palestine, and Syria to Iraq, the Persian Gulf, Iran, and the borders of NATO-garrisoned Afghanistan.

So, it is hard to tell the credibility of this story. Mostly because Washington both wants ISIS to bring down the current Syrian ruling regime, and it wants to use ISIS as a tool for restructuring the borders in the middle East. Likewise, it is hoped these Kurdish rebels will one day be the political and military regime in Kurdistan. So the facts in this article don't add up.

The only way it makes sense is if perhaps the forces of Kurdistan are beginning to become too powerful and they are wiping out ISIS, then they could be a threat to Washington and the world ruling elites end game. If this is the case? Who can say?

 

[Obiwan]

Centre for Global Research

How legitimate is The Centre for Global Research - Quora

It is by no means an objectively reliable media source. The articles, videos, and other media it puts forth are highly skewed and often factually inaccurate.

Some people have been quoting it as a legitimate source, but it has very strong ties to an organization known for churning out blatant propaganda.

The Centre for Research on Globalization, also known as the Centre for Global Research andMondialisation.ca is a fascist/Kremlin-funded propaganda outlet that defames and slanders their targeted groups such as Jews, Ukrainians, the United States, and other western countries.

Its peers include the Transnational Foundation for Peace and Future Research, the British Helsinki Human Rights Group, the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity, and theInstitute for Democracy and Cooperation and theNashi Youth.

Source: Propagramm

In 2014, the Centre for Research on Globalization aided the Kremlin in carrying out a defamation campaign against Ukraine, the US, the EU and NATO.

 

[MisterBeale]

Mr Beale

Media don't Matter isn't a source. It's the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party.
Media Matters Boss Admits Soros Funded Group Works to Destroy Alternative Media Alex Jones Infowars There s a war on for your mind

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/mediamattersagendasandactivities.html

Yes Obiwan, I am well aware. I loath them too.

OTH, we should not blind ourselves to any media source, for they ALL contain cogent facts. If you READ the piece, it points out legitmate facts. If you just read the title, and where it comes from, and then decide, "oh, hey, I'm not going to read it, it's from Media Matters," then you are just as bad as those silly liberals that won't listen to and reject out of hand anything that is on your favorite news sources, aren't you?

Did you know that Alex Jones is a cointel program, and that Alex Jones parents worked for the CIA? Secondly, he is a Jesuit.

Of course I know that these conservative MSM blogs are run by the establishment. And I know the liberal blogs are as well. Do you think I am daft? Once a conservative is in office, Gateway Pundit will get it's funding from some billionaire on the right and marching orders from the oval office. The same thing happens in reverse.

Centre for Global Research

How legitimate is The Centre for Global Research - Quora

It is by no means an objectively reliable media source. The articles, videos, and other media it puts forth are highly skewed and often factually inaccurate.

Some people have been quoting it as a legitimate source, but it has very strong ties to an organization known for churning out blatant propaganda.

The Centre for Research on Globalization, also known as the Centre for Global Research andMondialisation.ca is a fascist/Kremlin-funded propaganda outlet that defames and slanders their targeted groups such as Jews, Ukrainians, the United States, and other western countries.

Its peers include the Transnational Foundation for Peace and Future Research, the British Helsinki Human Rights Group, the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity, and theInstitute for Democracy and Cooperation and theNashi Youth.

Source: Propagramm

In 2014, the Centre for Research on Globalization aided the Kremlin in carrying out a defamation campaign against Ukraine, the US, the EU and NATO.

That's still not nearly as bad as the CFR. One must always take the facts one sees and use discernment.


Elites Push Government-funded "Public" Media
Elites Push Government-funded Public Media
The Pratt House Matrix and "Ruling Class Journalists"


Big Media has been the handmaiden to Big Government for decades. Now that the Internet and independent media are challenging the statist game plan, Big Media and Big Government are desperately seeking to formally legitimize their longstanding illicit affair. To longtime observers it is not in the least surprising that the key players in this perverse Big Government-Big Media-Big Foundation symbiosis seem to hale disproportionately from the membership roster of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).


Like the slime trail that leads to the slug, most of the major efforts to centralize, nationalize, and cartelize political and economic power over the past century can be traced back to the CFR and the matrix of corporations, foundations, think tanks, and universities its members dominate. So it is with the current push to have the federal government fund and control more and more of the media. Dr. Bollinger (of Columbia University and the Federal Reserve) is a CFR member. As are Alberto Ibarg?en, president and CEO of the Knight Foundation and Walter Isaacson, president and CEO of the Aspen Institute, key operatives leading the FOCAS campaign.


Listed as "FOCAS 2010 leaders and experts" are CFR members Marcus Brauchli (the Washington Post), Alberto Ibarg?en, (besides heading the Knight Foundation he is also chairman of both the World Wide Web Foundation and the Newseum in Washington, D.C.), Vivian Schiller (National Public Radio), Paul Steiger, (ProPublica), Ernest J. Wilson III (Annenberg School for Communication), Norman Ornstein (American Enterprise Institute), Charlie Firestone (Aspen Institute), Barbara Cochran and (University of Missouri School of Journalism).


It goes on and on. Another significant voice in the government-media merger choir is Geoffrey Cowan (CFR), co-author of the USC/Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism 2010 study, Public Policy and Funding the News. Cowan, who headed the Voice Of America under President Clinton, is director of the Center on Communication Leadership & Policy, dean emeritus of the USC Annenberg School and USC University Professor, and holds the Annenberg Family Chair in Communication Leadership.


The CFR's "Profile of the Membership" in its 2008 Annual Report lists 398 members as journalists, correspondents, and editors. That includes members such as:


Michael P. Hirsh (Newsweek)
Jim Hoagland (Washington Post)
Fareed Zakaria (Time, CNN)
Thomas Friedman (New York Times)
Erin Burnett (CNBC)
Ethan Bronner (New York Times)
Paula Zahn (Discovery cable channel)
Heather Nauert (Fox News)
Norman Podhoretz (Commentary magazine)
Tom Brokaw (NBC)
Lesley Stahl (CBS)
Andrea Michell (NBC)
Elaine Sciolino (New York Times)
Diane Sawyer (ABC)
Deroy Murdock (Scripps Howard News Service and National Review Online)
David Ignatius (Washington Post)
Alan S. Murray (Wall Street Journal)
Jim Lehrer (PBS)
Margaret Warner (PBS)
Judy Woodruff (PBS)
Christopher Dickey (Newsweek)
Mortimer Zuckerman (U.S. News & World Report)


The above list barely scratches the surface of the elite media folks tied to Pratt House, the New York headquarters of the Council, located at 58 East 68th Street in Manhattan. The nearly 400 "Journalists, Correspondents, and Editors" counted on the CFR rolls does not include the many additional CFR members who are the executive officers of major media corporations. They may or may not be publicly well known but they are the bosses of the more visible members of the Fourth Estate. These include CFR members such as:


Michael Bloomberg (Mayor of New York City, founder/owner Bloomberg L.P.)


Rupert Murdoch (chairman, CEO News Corporation)


Jeffrey Bewkes (Chairman, CEO of Time Warner, in which capacity he oversees Time, CNN, TNT, HBO, TBS, Warner Bros., etc.)


Christopher Isham (CBS News vice president), and Barry Diller (IAC/InterActiveCorp and Washington Post).


In addition to the above-mentioned individual members there are CFR Corporate Members, which are major financial supporters of the CFR and its programs and agenda. The media organizations that have become CFR Corporate Members include Time Warner, ABC Inc., Bloomberg, News Corporation, General Electric (NBC Universal), Google, Thomson Reuters, and the Washington Post.


The Washington Post's ombudsman and columnist Richard Harwood detailed the CFR's domination of his own profession in an October 30,1993, column tellingly entitled "Ruling Class Journalists." In what was a rare admission (and/or boast) from a CFR establishment journal, Harwood characterized CFR members as "the nearest thing we have to a ruling establishment in the United States."


Harwood wrote:


In the past 15 years, council directors have included Hedley Donovan of Time Inc., Elizabeth Drew of the New Yorker, Philip Geyelin of The Washington Post, Karen Elliott House of the Wall Street Journal, and Strobe Talbott of Time magazine...

The editorial page editor, deputy editorial page editor, executive editor, managing editor, foreign editor, national affairs editor, business and financial editor and various writers as well as Katharine Graham, the paper's principal owner, represent The Washington Post in the council's membership.

The executive editor, managing editor and foreign editor of the New York Times are members, along with the executives of such other large newspapers as the Wall Street Journal and Los Angeles Times, the weekly news magazines, network television executives and celebrities, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw and Jim Lehrer, for example, and various columnists, among them Charles Krauthammer, William Buckley, George Will and Jim Hoagland.