Obama Killed Coal

[bripat9643]

There's nothing wrong with that either.

Yeah there is. It puts a lot of shit into the air.

CO2 is a harmless gas that's good for plants.

Lets experiment. You in a closed room as we raise the percentage of CO2.

How about if you go in the room and we fill it with water?

Or do you consider H20 to be a pollutant?

 

[bripat9643]

...why are you against cheap energy that the left hindered through laws and regulations?..

Nobody is against cheap energy.

Actually, you are wrong about that. There is a sect of the environmentalists that believes cheap abundant energy is the worse thing that could happen to the Earth.

Lots of people, however, are against cheap energy that belches coal-smoke and sulfur dioxide and high concentrations of particular matter into the atmosphere that are scientifically proven to cause respiratory diseases and to induce death in sufficiently high concentrations such as that seen in London in the 1950s and Beijing today.

Modern power plants don't give off more than a trace of sulfur dioxide or particulate matter. You're obviously one of those environmental ignoramuses that doesn't understand that there have been vast improvements in our pollution control technology. China has problems because it doesn't use that technology.

...Why do you hate the poor people of the world?.

It is out of concern for the poor people of the world whom you would have breathing coal smoke, as well as the impact upon global atmospherics, that coal is being resisted.

In the United States they will breath exactly the same amount of coal smoke as they breath now: Virtually none, in other words. meanwhile, following your schemes mean their power bills will triple or quadruple. The bottom line is that your environment schemes will further impoverish them with no perceptible improvement in the environment.

 

[bripat9643]

Coal fired power plants are 99% cleaner than they used to be. They are cleaner than your automobile.

Did you stop driving?

Maybe in the US....

Yes, in the U.S. and Europe.

We are talking about U.S. regulations, not Chinese regulations.

 

[bripat9643]

...The Great Smog of London, or Great Smog of 1952 sometimes called the Big Smoke,[1] was a severe air-pollution event that affected the British capital of London in December 1952. A period of cold weather, combined with an anticyclone and windless conditions, collected airborne pollutants – mostly arising from the use of coal – to form a thick layer of smog over the city. It lasted from Friday, 5 December to Tuesday, 9 December 1952 and then dispersed quickly when the weather changed.

It caused major disruption by reducing visibility and even penetrating indoor areas, far more severe than previous smog events experienced in the past, called "pea-soupers". Government medical reports in the following weeks, however, estimated that up until 8 December, 4,000 people had died as a direct result of the smog and 100,000 more were made ill by the smog's effects on the human respiratory tract. More recent research suggests that the total number of fatalities was considerably greater, about 12,000.[2]..

Great Smog of London - Wikipedia

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Pittsburgh in the 1940s at the height of the Coal Era...

And the idiot Pubs want to turn back the clock on this...

It won't go back to that, moron, because coal fired plants burn 1000 times cleaner than they used to.

What a fucking moron.

And they are still dirty,

Horseshit.

How much cleaner would satisfy you and your ilk?

10,000 times cleaner?
100,000 times cleaner?
1,000,000 times cleaner?

We all know it wouldn't make any difference. Your objection to coal is ideological, not scientific.

 

[bripat9643]

See all those cars by that huge building? That is the Tesla battery factory, and those are employees cars. And that factory is still expanding. Jobs. A La Musk. And then there is SpaceX.

He is a media whore and how dare you old rocks try to put him in the same category as the great telsa...
Musk is like Bell...who didn't do shit except rip off others .


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Well, railing about the most successful blue sky American Entrepeneur is not going to bring back the coal jobs. They are in the same category as buggy whip manufacturers.

Musk makes all his money by farming the government. The government subsidizes his cars and they buy his rockets. He's about as much an "entrepreneur" as Barak Obama.

 

[Dr Grump]

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Yes, in the U.S. and Europe.

We are talking about U.S. regulations, not Chinese regulations.

Maybe you are. I'm not.

 

[RealDave]

There's nothing wrong with that either.

Yeah there is. It puts a lot of shit into the air.

CO2 is a harmless gas that's good for plants.

Lets experiment. You in a closed room as we raise the percentage of CO2.

How about if you go in the room and we fill it with water?

Or do you consider H20 to be a pollutant?

How bout you pull you head out of Trump's ass & read the science.

More CO2 => More greenhouse effect => higher temps,

PROVEN science.

If the introduction of water has a harmful effect, it would be considered a pollutant.

 

[RealDave]

...The Great Smog of London, or Great Smog of 1952 sometimes called the Big Smoke,[1] was a severe air-pollution event that affected the British capital of London in December 1952. A period of cold weather, combined with an anticyclone and windless conditions, collected airborne pollutants – mostly arising from the use of coal – to form a thick layer of smog over the city. It lasted from Friday, 5 December to Tuesday, 9 December 1952 and then dispersed quickly when the weather changed.

It caused major disruption by reducing visibility and even penetrating indoor areas, far more severe than previous smog events experienced in the past, called "pea-soupers". Government medical reports in the following weeks, however, estimated that up until 8 December, 4,000 people had died as a direct result of the smog and 100,000 more were made ill by the smog's effects on the human respiratory tract. More recent research suggests that the total number of fatalities was considerably greater, about 12,000.[2]..

Great Smog of London - Wikipedia

=============================================

Pittsburgh in the 1940s at the height of the Coal Era...

And the idiot Pubs want to turn back the clock on this...

It won't go back to that, moron, because coal fired plants burn 1000 times cleaner than they used to.

What a fucking moron.

And they are still dirty,

Horseshit.

How much cleaner would satisfy you and your ilk?

10,000 times cleaner?
100,000 times cleaner?
1,000,000 times cleaner?

We all know it wouldn't make any difference. Your objection to coal is ideological, not scientific.

I get business from the coal industry. My problem with it is the burning of coal & its pollutants.

Your orange buddy wants to increase the amounts of pollutants. How many more people getting sick or dying is it worth it to you assholes for corporations to make more profits? Do you thin k you might save a nickel on your electric bill?

What is it worth to your grandchildren?

 

[Aletheia4u]

...The Great Smog of London, or Great Smog of 1952 sometimes called the Big Smoke,[1] was a severe air-pollution event that affected the British capital of London in December 1952. A period of cold weather, combined with an anticyclone and windless conditions, collected airborne pollutants – mostly arising from the use of coal – to form a thick layer of smog over the city. It lasted from Friday, 5 December to Tuesday, 9 December 1952 and then dispersed quickly when the weather changed.

It caused major disruption by reducing visibility and even penetrating indoor areas, far more severe than previous smog events experienced in the past, called "pea-soupers". Government medical reports in the following weeks, however, estimated that up until 8 December, 4,000 people had died as a direct result of the smog and 100,000 more were made ill by the smog's effects on the human respiratory tract. More recent research suggests that the total number of fatalities was considerably greater, about 12,000.[2]..

Great Smog of London - Wikipedia

=============================================

Pittsburgh in the 1940s at the height of the Coal Era...

And the idiot Pubs want to turn back the clock on this...

It won't go back to that, moron, because coal fired plants burn 1000 times cleaner than they used to.

What a fucking moron.

And they are still dirty,

Horseshit.

How much cleaner would satisfy you and your ilk?

10,000 times cleaner?
100,000 times cleaner?
1,000,000 times cleaner?

We all know it wouldn't make any difference. Your objection to coal is ideological, not scientific.

I get business from the coal industry. My problem with it is the burning of coal & its pollutants.

Your orange buddy wants to increase the amounts of pollutants. How many more people getting sick or dying is it worth it to you assholes for corporations to make more profits? Do you thin k you might save a nickel on your electric bill?

What is it worth to your grandchildren?

Okay Mr. Big scientist. Do you know what they are claiming of being harmful greenhouse gases? Methane that they are claiming to be harmful. Methane comes from coal. Do you knows that methane seep from the ground? And methane is destroyed when burned. And so burning it lowers greenhouse gas.
And did you know that they has been putting chemicals in the earth atmosphere for years to control the weather? And now they has been putting so much of that chemical into the earth atmosphere for so long that it causing all sort of strange weather. And so that they are using this opportunity to blame it on other greenhouse gases so that they can market some other craps that it is not good for the earth's environment..
They are trying to conceal what they are doing. They doesn't want President Trump in office because they are afraid that he might stop their pockets of being filled. it is because he cares about this country. And that is why they are trying to mark him as an Antiscience. So that he will give into them by letting them use their science experiments on the people.


Stop Geoengineering

So, How Do We Stop The Spraying?

Large Scale Weather Control Using Nuclear Reactors - CERN Document Server

 

[Aletheia4u]

Surprising Trove of Gas Seeps Found Off East Coast

 

[bripat9643]

There's nothing wrong with that either.

Yeah there is. It puts a lot of shit into the air.

CO2 is a harmless gas that's good for plants.

Lets experiment. You in a closed room as we raise the percentage of CO2.

How about if you go in the room and we fill it with water?

Or do you consider H20 to be a pollutant?

How bout you pull you head out of Trump's ass & read the science.

More CO2 => More greenhouse effect => higher temps,

PROVEN science.

If the introduction of water has a harmful effect, it would be considered a pollutant.

That's a con, not science. And, no, water is never considered to be a pollutant.

 

[sealybobo]

Damn you, Obama! Damn you!

Oh, wait...

No one remembers the president who cost us jobs letting the cotton gin out on his watch. All those jobs lost.

 

[Aletheia4u]

Damn you, Obama! Damn you!

Oh, wait...

No one remembers the president who cost us jobs letting the cotton gin out on his watch. All those jobs lost.

I had posted this site to show that the increase of methane on the ocean's floor, the more methane vents were being spotted since they started to close down coal mines. Methane gases builds up over time, and needs to be released. Just like flatus builds up in the colon from particles of feces left in the canal. And so that is why that there has been an increase of methane in the earth atmosphere. And so it was designed for us to clean the earth's colon. And so we better start digging, or else the earth will become more flatulence.

On the seafloor just off of the U.S. East Coast lies a barely known world, explorations of which bring continual surprises. As recently as the mid-2000s, practically zero methane seeps — spots on the seafloor where gas leaks from the Earth's crust — were thought to exist off the East Coast; while one had been reported more than a decade ago, it was thought to be one of a kind.

But in the past two years, additional studies have revealed a host of new areas of seafloor rich in seeps, said Laura Brothers, a research geologist at the U.S. Geological Survey. And surrounding these seafloor vents, Surprising Trove of Gas Seeps Found Off East Coast

Researchers study carbon, methane emissions from volcanoes Researchers study carbon, methane emissions from volcanoes


At present, there are about 600 volcanoes that have had known eruptions during recorded history, while about 50-70 volcanoes are active (erupting) each year. At any given time, there is an average of about 20 volcanoes that are erupting. How many volcanoes are there in the world?

How are volcanoes and earthquakes related? | Volcano World | Oregon State University

What Causes Stomach Grumbling?
The rumbling sound in your stomach is the result of muscular contractions of your intestinal wall combined with the presence of liquid and gas. It’s a perfectly normal function and one that occurs most of the day.
The Rumbling Sound in Stomach: What Causes Stomach Growling?

 

[Wyatt earp]

...why are you against cheap energy that the left hindered through laws and regulations?..

Nobody is against cheap energy.

Lots of people, however, are against cheap energy that belches coal-smoke and sulfur dioxide and high concentrations of particular matter into the atmosphere that are scientifically proven to cause respiratory diseases and to induce death in sufficiently high concentrations such as that seen in London in the 1950s and Beijing today.

...Why do you hate the poor people of the world?.

It is out of concern for the poor people of the world whom you would have breathing coal smoke, as well as the impact upon global atmospherics, that coal is being resisted.

What's the point if they only have the option to burn wood? According to this article 2 million people die a year from it


2 Million Deaths a Year Attributed to Pollution from Indoor Cookstove Fires

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[Wyatt earp]

There's nothing wrong with that either.

Yeah there is. It puts a lot of shit into the air.

CO2 is a harmless gas that's good for plants.

Lets experiment. You in a closed room as we raise the percentage of CO2.

How about if you go in the room and we fill it with water?

Or do you consider H20 to be a pollutant?

How bout you pull you head out of Trump's ass & read the science.

More CO2 => More greenhouse effect => higher temps,

PROVEN science.

If the introduction of water has a harmful effect, it would be considered a pollutant.

Stll no links?

Mars atmosphere is made up of over 98% C02


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[12icer]

Coal burned in a modern generating plant is about a million times more efficient than the 18th century, and the 19th century coal burning stoves used for heat. ANY person who thinks that there is ANY way to generate electricity without a significant amount of some type of pollutant being produced has no base in reality. AND global warming is A HISTORICALLY PROVEN LIE. If you believe in Global Warming you do not know anything about REAL history and earth science.

 

[bripat9643]

...The Great Smog of London, or Great Smog of 1952 sometimes called the Big Smoke,[1] was a severe air-pollution event that affected the British capital of London in December 1952. A period of cold weather, combined with an anticyclone and windless conditions, collected airborne pollutants – mostly arising from the use of coal – to form a thick layer of smog over the city. It lasted from Friday, 5 December to Tuesday, 9 December 1952 and then dispersed quickly when the weather changed.

It caused major disruption by reducing visibility and even penetrating indoor areas, far more severe than previous smog events experienced in the past, called "pea-soupers". Government medical reports in the following weeks, however, estimated that up until 8 December, 4,000 people had died as a direct result of the smog and 100,000 more were made ill by the smog's effects on the human respiratory tract. More recent research suggests that the total number of fatalities was considerably greater, about 12,000.[2]..

Great Smog of London - Wikipedia

=============================================

Pittsburgh in the 1940s at the height of the Coal Era...

And the idiot Pubs want to turn back the clock on this...

It won't go back to that, moron, because coal fired plants burn 1000 times cleaner than they used to.

What a fucking moron.

And they are still dirty,

Horseshit.

How much cleaner would satisfy you and your ilk?

10,000 times cleaner?
100,000 times cleaner?
1,000,000 times cleaner?

We all know it wouldn't make any difference. Your objection to coal is ideological, not scientific.

I get business from the coal industry. My problem with it is the burning of coal & its pollutants.

Your orange buddy wants to increase the amounts of pollutants. How many more people getting sick or dying is it worth it to you assholes for corporations to make more profits? Do you thin k you might save a nickel on your electric bill?

What is it worth to your grandchildren?

There hasn't been a single documented in case in the last 30 years of someone getting sick because of burning coal in power plants.

What are energy bills that are triple what we currently pay worth to my grandchildren? Not a damn thing. I fail to see how they gain from a drastic reduction in their standard of living.

 

[Kondor3]

...What's the point if they only have the option to burn wood? According to this article 2 million people die a year from it

2 Million Deaths a Year Attributed to Pollution from Indoor Cookstove Fires .

All the more reason to get them hooked up with solar and wind -power technologies, and those, sooner rather than later.

Or start selling them Franklin Stoves.

 

[Kondor3]

...There hasn't been a single documented in case in the last 30 years of someone getting sick because of burning coal in power plants...

Attributable to expensive scrubbers, etc., imposed by law upon remaining coal plants, quite probably. It's an old, dirty, harmful energy technology whose time has come and gone.

...What are energy bills that are triple what we currently pay worth to my grandchildren? Not a damn thing. I fail to see how they gain from a drastic reduction in their standard of living.

Expensive energy is cheaper (financially, healthwise, quality of life) than Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease and air you can cut with a knife.

Scrubber-systems for coal plants are sssooooo expensive that energy producers sometimes shut-down coal-fired plants rather than undergo such conversions.

Not to mention the high cost (financial, environmental) of disposing of toxic byproducts.

Coal is a Dark-Ages energy technology and it is a dead end; it's time we took our collective heads out of our arses and recognized that fact.

Pittsburgh and New York and London in times past, and Beijing in the present day, are sufficient warning for any honest evaluator.

Time to bite the bullet and ditch coal so that we, in our grey hairs, and our children, in theirs, and our grandchildren, throughout their lives, have clean air to breathe.

Thereby IMPROVING their Standard of Living by an order of magnitude, over-and-above what it will be, should we continue to burn coal for power on a substantive scale.

If I (and my generation) have to "take the hit" and pay for such conversions, so that my grandchildren, and their grandchildren, pay less, and breathe easier, then so be it.

Think of it as our way of leaving the planet in better condition - on our 'watch' - than we found it... an old Scouting maxim.

The handful of remaining coal-mining jobs of today are NOT worth the price to our health and environment.

Even if the GOP pursues (or unleashes conditions that allow the private sector to pursue) coal-fired power plants again, ultimately, it's a dead end, and, ultimately, a waste of money that could have been more intelligently used to make the switch to far more sensible and sustainable and cleaner power-generation technologies

This is the 21st Century... time to start acting like it.

 

[RealDave]

...The Great Smog of London, or Great Smog of 1952 sometimes called the Big Smoke,[1] was a severe air-pollution event that affected the British capital of London in December 1952. A period of cold weather, combined with an anticyclone and windless conditions, collected airborne pollutants – mostly arising from the use of coal – to form a thick layer of smog over the city. It lasted from Friday, 5 December to Tuesday, 9 December 1952 and then dispersed quickly when the weather changed.

It caused major disruption by reducing visibility and even penetrating indoor areas, far more severe than previous smog events experienced in the past, called "pea-soupers". Government medical reports in the following weeks, however, estimated that up until 8 December, 4,000 people had died as a direct result of the smog and 100,000 more were made ill by the smog's effects on the human respiratory tract. More recent research suggests that the total number of fatalities was considerably greater, about 12,000.[2]..

Great Smog of London - Wikipedia

=============================================

Pittsburgh in the 1940s at the height of the Coal Era...

And the idiot Pubs want to turn back the clock on this...

It won't go back to that, moron, because coal fired plants burn 1000 times cleaner than they used to.

What a fucking moron.

And they are still dirty,

Horseshit.

How much cleaner would satisfy you and your ilk?

10,000 times cleaner?
100,000 times cleaner?
1,000,000 times cleaner?

We all know it wouldn't make any difference. Your objection to coal is ideological, not scientific.

I get business from the coal industry. My problem with it is the burning of coal & its pollutants.

Your orange buddy wants to increase the amounts of pollutants. How many more people getting sick or dying is it worth it to you assholes for corporations to make more profits? Do you thin k you might save a nickel on your electric bill?

What is it worth to your grandchildren?

There hasn't been a single documented in case in the last 30 years of someone getting sick because of burning coal in power plants.

What are energy bills that are triple what we currently pay worth to my grandchildren? Not a damn thing. I fail to see how they gain from a drastic reduction in their standard of living.

Ask the American Lung Association.

Triple? You are sofa king stupid that you think rates will triple by reducing our emissions? Where's the proof of that?

You must hate your grandchildren because you allow your political party to dupe you into thinking pollution has no harmful side effects & that more CO2 does not heighten global warming.

If putting panels on your roof & installing geothermal HVAC have payback periods, then it will be cheaper to embrace these technologies. If you think ignoring global warming has no cost, then you really are quite the ignorant fool.

Global Warming has the potential to create food shortages, droughts, violent weather, wars, etc. And this is what you want for your grandchildren? Do they know how big an ass you are?