Obama plans to expand overtime eligibility for millions of workers

[JakeStarkey]

There is nothing socialist about the change.

Geaux has an extremely limited vocabulary and understanding.

In a consumer economy, the more money the working consumers have to spend, everyone, including owners, are better off.

Starkey is a successful pay-for-play internet troll. That's gotta count for something, eh?

Personal attack is an admission of defeat. Thank you.

Pot meet kettle

Showing the worthlessness of your comment is not a personal attack, only a correction of the nonsense you are spewing.

 

[rightwinger]

The idea that management does not qualify for overtime is a sound one. The intent was that managers are already highly compensated, that they will be expected to work additional time to handle surges and urgent deadlines. It is also expected that managers receive compensation that hourly employees don't in the form of bonuses for achieving goals, benefits, stock options and other compensation that more than compensates the additional hours worked

What has happened is employers now lable employees "associates" or give them a management title with no real management responsibilities. $22K a year is not being highly compensated. Forcing a worker who makes $11 an hour to work for free at the whim of management is not the intent of the law

 

[EatMorChikin]

There is nothing socialist about the change.

Geaux has an extremely limited vocabulary and understanding.

In a consumer economy, the more money the working consumers have to spend, everyone, including owners, are better off.

Starkey is a successful pay-for-play internet troll. That's gotta count for something, eh?

Personal attack is an admission of defeat. Thank you.

Pot meet kettle

Showing the worthlessness of your comment is not a personal attack, only a correction of the nonsense you are spewing.

Has nothing to do with me, you were attacking others previously. You aren't very bright if you can't remember your own attcks on others. And you did actually attack me as well, but you can go find it I don't give a shit about you, and have no reason to prove shit to you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The math shows that if consumers have more money in a consumer economy the better the economy works and the more the owners and workers have.

Good market forces do the best for all.

I don't mind educating Geaux, but I expect him to be honest.

It's unfortunate that you are not honest.

The math shows no such thing.

It is a fallacy of one variable economics.

No, it's not. We can educate you as well, Sun Devil. Investing in your workers as well as your technology and R&D is the pathway to success. You really don't need the extra six feet on the swimming pool. We didn't either.

You don't educate anyone. You might as well accept that fact as shown by the rather basic attacks on your internet character.

Nobody is arguing investing in people. Making people eligible for overtime is not investing in people. It is adding costs.

What will happen, if you think about it (yes, think about it) is that managers base pay will be cut to account for the overtime they will get. In the end, overtime will be necessary for them to meet their previous salary.

Way to go.

You have to educate yourself before you can educate others.

Then you, meaning you, have to practice not sounding like a total dick when you post.

You are continuing to show your lack of knowledge about this issue. The adding of costs is part of fair business. Employees have the right to determine if they want money or comp time. Not the business owner. You have to pay for what you want.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The idea that management does not qualify for overtime is a sound one. The intent was that managers are already highly compensated, that they will be expected to work additional time to handle surges and urgent deadlines. It is also expected that managers receive compensation that hourly employees don't in the form of bonuses for achieving goals, benefits, stock options and other compensation that more than compensates the additional hours worked

What has happened is employers now lable employees "associates" or give them a management title with no real management responsibilities. $22K a year is not being highly compensated. Forcing a worker who makes $11 an hour to work for free at the whim of management is not the intent of the law

That is a fair assessment.

The question is whether or not the answer is what Obama proposes.

I would suggest that it is the policies of the federal government that favor big business and defeat small ones.

Hence, the manager who might otherwise start his own business and get some of that pie....is stuck.

Doing what Obama suggests is going to backfire on people.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is nothing socialist about the change.

Geaux has an extremely limited vocabulary and understanding.

In a consumer economy, the more money the working consumers have to spend, everyone, including owners, are better off.

Starkey is a successful pay-for-play internet troll. That's gotta count for something, eh?

Personal attack is an admission of defeat. Thank you.

Pot meet kettle

Showing the worthlessness of your comment is not a personal attack, only a correction of the nonsense you are spewing.

Has nothing to do with me, you were attacking others previously. You aren't very bright if you can't remember your own attcks on others. And you did actually attack me as well, but you can go find it I don't give a shit about you, and have no reason to prove shit to you.

Typical far right response, crying when he can't take what he dishes out.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The math shows that if consumers have more money in a consumer economy the better the economy works and the more the owners and workers have.

Good market forces do the best for all.

I don't mind educating Geaux, but I expect him to be honest.

It's unfortunate that you are not honest.

The math shows no such thing.

It is a fallacy of one variable economics.

No, it's not. We can educate you as well, Sun Devil. Investing in your workers as well as your technology and R&D is the pathway to success. You really don't need the extra six feet on the swimming pool. We didn't either.

You don't educate anyone. You might as well accept that fact as shown by the rather basic attacks on your internet character.

Nobody is arguing investing in people. Making people eligible for overtime is not investing in people. It is adding costs.

What will happen, if you think about it (yes, think about it) is that managers base pay will be cut to account for the overtime they will get. In the end, overtime will be necessary for them to meet their previous salary.

Way to go.

You have to educate yourself before you can educate others.

Then you, meaning you, have to practice not sounding like a total dick when you post.

You are continuing to show your lack of knowledge about this issue. The adding of costs is part of fair business. Employees have the right to determine if they want money or comp time. Not the business owner. You have to pay for what you want.

Employees can decide if they want to work at a business.

Don't like the deal...quit.

You can continue to show why your posts are not worth reading anymore.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The idea that management does not qualify for overtime is a sound one. The intent was that managers are already highly compensated, that they will be expected to work additional time to handle surges and urgent deadlines. It is also expected that managers receive compensation that hourly employees don't in the form of bonuses for achieving goals, benefits, stock options and other compensation that more than compensates the additional hours worked

What has happened is employers now lable employees "associates" or give them a management title with no real management responsibilities. $22K a year is not being highly compensated. Forcing a worker who makes $11 an hour to work for free at the whim of management is not the intent of the law

That is a fair assessment.

The question is whether or not the answer is what Obama proposes.

I would suggest that it is the policies of the federal government that favor big business and defeat small ones.

Hence, the manager who might otherwise start his own business and get some of that pie....is stuck.

Doing what Obama suggests is going to backfire on people.

No, it is not.

 

[Wyatt earp]

There is nothing socialist about the change.

Geaux has an extremely limited vocabulary and understanding.

In a consumer economy, the more money the working consumers have to spend, everyone, including owners, are better off.

Well except jobs will be cut over it, just like mandatory minimum wage for non career jobs. But I wouldn't expect Obama drones to grasp that.

The same way many full time jobs were cut to under 30 hours over that ACA fraud. Everything this regime touches turns to shit.

Show us how that has happened.

You can't.

The reason we lost to the Dems is because of folks like Bear and Geaux and you.

What the hell are you talking about idiot? You lost to dems, because you are in that donkey vs elephant vicious circle. I vote for neither, and I never will.

How what happened exactly? How people lost jobs? Employers cut full time jobs, doubled the amount of part time jobs. Why? To avoid the employer mandate.

And the answer to idiots screaming about $15 an hour to put fucking pickles on a bun?

Your welcome, do your own fucking research next time, if you wanna know something so bad asshole.

That machine won't replace workers, your smartphone will
Load an app, pull up your order, pay
all from your car and the order will be waiting when you get there

This technology will happen if you pay $15 an hour or $3 an hour

True but it will happen a lot quicker.

Just do the math. A 6 axis robot used to cost 250 grand 20 years ago, now you can get them New under 50 grand.

Remember a V.C.R. used to cost $500 bucks in 1983 , now you can get a DVD player for under $20 bucks today.

The more you push for a higher labor rate the more technology excels to replace labor.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

This is something that was long overdue.

Obama plans to expand overtime eligibility for millions of workers - Yahoo News

Get your head out of Obama's ass and tell us again how you're a Republican.

Personal attacks are admissions of personal defeat. And, yes, we will buy weapons from you again whenever we want. That's not debatable.

You wouldn't know a personal attack if it slapped you upside the head.

You don't have the balls to come to my store.

 

[dblack]

There is nothing socialist about the change.

Geaux has an extremely limited vocabulary and understanding.

In a consumer economy, the more money the working consumers have to spend, everyone, including owners, are better off.

Starkey is a successful pay-for-play internet troll. That's gotta count for something, eh?

Personal attack is an admission of defeat. Thank you.

There is nothing socialist about the change.

Geaux has an extremely limited vocabulary and understanding.

In a consumer economy, the more money the working consumers have to spend, everyone, including owners, are better off.

Starkey is a successful pay-for-play internet troll. That's gotta count for something, eh?

Personal attack is an admission of defeat. Thank you.

There is nothing socialist about the change.

Geaux has an extremely limited vocabulary and understanding.

In a consumer economy, the more money the working consumers have to spend, everyone, including owners, are better off.

Starkey is a successful pay-for-play internet troll. That's gotta count for something, eh?

Personal attack is an admission of defeat. Thank you.

Pot meet kettle

Showing the worthlessness of your comment is not a personal attack, only a correction of the nonsense you are spewing.

Has nothing to do with me, you were attacking others previously. You aren't very bright if you can't remember your own attcks on others. And you did actually attack me as well, but you can go find it I don't give a shit about you, and have no reason to prove shit to you.

Starkey isn't even a 'person', so much as a statist propaganda vehicle.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The math shows that if consumers have more money in a consumer economy the better the economy works and the more the owners and workers have.

Good market forces do the best for all.

I don't mind educating Geaux, but I expect him to be honest.

It's unfortunate that you are not honest.

The math shows no such thing.

It is a fallacy of one variable economics.

No, it's not. We can educate you as well, Sun Devil. Investing in your workers as well as your technology and R&D is the pathway to success. You really don't need the extra six feet on the swimming pool. We didn't either.

You don't educate anyone. You might as well accept that fact as shown by the rather basic attacks on your internet character.

Nobody is arguing investing in people. Making people eligible for overtime is not investing in people. It is adding costs.

What will happen, if you think about it (yes, think about it) is that managers base pay will be cut to account for the overtime they will get. In the end, overtime will be necessary for them to meet their previous salary.

Way to go.

You have to educate yourself before you can educate others.

Then you, meaning you, have to practice not sounding like a total dick when you post.

You are continuing to show your lack of knowledge about this issue. The adding of costs is part of fair business. Employees have the right to determine if they want money or comp time. Not the business owner. You have to pay for what you want.

Employees can decide if they want to work at a business.

Don't like the deal...quit.

You can continue to show why your posts are not worth reading anymore.

Yet you read them, because they educate you in a good way. The government is the rule maker of fair play between worker and owner. Good on that.

 

[EatMorChikin]

Starkey is a successful pay-for-play internet troll. That's gotta count for something, eh?

Personal attack is an admission of defeat. Thank you.

Pot meet kettle

Showing the worthlessness of your comment is not a personal attack, only a correction of the nonsense you are spewing.

Has nothing to do with me, you were attacking others previously. You aren't very bright if you can't remember your own attcks on others. And you did actually attack me as well, but you can go find it I don't give a shit about you, and have no reason to prove shit to you.

Typical far right response, crying when he can't take what he dishes out.

Typical loony liberal tactic, attack others than tries to pretend others are the ones doing the attacking.

 

[JakeStarkey]

This is something that was long overdue.

Obama plans to expand overtime eligibility for millions of workers - Yahoo News

Get your head out of Obama's ass and tell us again how you're a Republican.

Personal attacks are admissions of personal defeat. And, yes, we will buy weapons from you again whenever we want. That's not debatable.

You wouldn't know a personal attack if it slapped you upside the head.

You don't have the balls to come to my store.

Again? Sure I would.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

There is nothing socialist about the change.

Geaux has an extremely limited vocabulary and understanding.

In a consumer economy, the more money the working consumers have to spend, everyone, including owners, are better off.

Starkey is a successful pay-for-play internet troll. That's gotta count for something, eh?

Personal attack is an admission of defeat. Thank you.

Pot meet kettle

Showing the worthlessness of your comment is not a personal attack, only a correction of the nonsense you are spewing.

Has nothing to do with me, you were attacking others previously. You aren't very bright if you can't remember your own attcks on others. And you did actually attack me as well, but you can go find it I don't give a shit about you, and have no reason to prove shit to you.

The idea that management does not qualify for overtime is a sound one. The intent was that managers are already highly compensated, that they will be expected to work additional time to handle surges and urgent deadlines. It is also expected that managers receive compensation that hourly employees don't in the form of bonuses for achieving goals, benefits, stock options and other compensation that more than compensates the additional hours worked

What has happened is employers now lable employees "associates" or give them a management title with no real management responsibilities. $22K a year is not being highly compensated. Forcing a worker who makes $11 an hour to work for free at the whim of management is not the intent of the law

That is a fair assessment.

The question is whether or not the answer is what Obama proposes.

I would suggest that it is the policies of the federal government that favor big business and defeat small ones.

Hence, the manager who might otherwise start his own business and get some of that pie....is stuck.

Doing what Obama suggests is going to backfire on people.

No, it is not.

There is no proving anything.

This is nothing more than a thought experiment. Something Obama is good at.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Personal attack is an admission of defeat. Thank you.

Pot meet kettle

Showing the worthlessness of your comment is not a personal attack, only a correction of the nonsense you are spewing.

Has nothing to do with me, you were attacking others previously. You aren't very bright if you can't remember your own attcks on others. And you did actually attack me as well, but you can go find it I don't give a shit about you, and have no reason to prove shit to you.

Typical far right response, crying when he can't take what he dishes out.

Typical loony liberal tactic, attack others than tries to pretend others are the ones doing the attacking.

You are blaming me for what you did.

That's it for now here. I have other far right loonies to detect, select, and correct.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

This is something that was long overdue.

Obama plans to expand overtime eligibility for millions of workers - Yahoo News

Get your head out of Obama's ass and tell us again how you're a Republican.

Personal attacks are admissions of personal defeat. And, yes, we will buy weapons from you again whenever we want. That's not debatable.

You wouldn't know a personal attack if it slapped you upside the head.

You don't have the balls to come to my store.

Again? Sure I would.

Put up or shut up.

 

[rightwinger]

There is nothing socialist about the change.

Geaux has an extremely limited vocabulary and understanding.

In a consumer economy, the more money the working consumers have to spend, everyone, including owners, are better off.

Well except jobs will be cut over it, just like mandatory minimum wage for non career jobs. But I wouldn't expect Obama drones to grasp that.

The same way many full time jobs were cut to under 30 hours over that ACA fraud. Everything this regime touches turns to shit.

Show us how that has happened.

You can't.

The reason we lost to the Dems is because of folks like Bear and Geaux and you.

What the hell are you talking about idiot? You lost to dems, because you are in that donkey vs elephant vicious circle. I vote for neither, and I never will.

How what happened exactly? How people lost jobs? Employers cut full time jobs, doubled the amount of part time jobs. Why? To avoid the employer mandate.

And the answer to idiots screaming about $15 an hour to put fucking pickles on a bun?

Your welcome, do your own fucking research next time, if you wanna know something so bad asshole.

That machine won't replace workers, your smartphone will
Load an app, pull up your order, pay
all from your car and the order will be waiting when you get there

This technology will happen if you pay $15 an hour or $3 an hour

True but it will happen a lot quicker.

Just do the math. A 6 axis robot used to cost 250 grand 20 years ago, now you can get them New under 50 grand.

Remember a V.C.R. used to cost $500 bucks in 1983 , now you can get a DVD player for under $20 bucks today.

The more you push for a higher labor rate the more technology excels to replace labor.

The technology is there regardless of the labor rate

If workers agree to a $5 an hour wage, those machines will still come in
Customers like them, management likes them

 

[JakeStarkey]

This is something that was long overdue.

Obama plans to expand overtime eligibility for millions of workers - Yahoo News

Get your head out of Obama's ass and tell us again how you're a Republican.

Personal attacks are admissions of personal defeat. And, yes, we will buy weapons from you again whenever we want. That's not debatable.

You wouldn't know a personal attack if it slapped you upside the head.

You don't have the balls to come to my store.

Again? Sure I would.

Put up or shut up.

You bet.

 

[rightwinger]

Overtime is strictly optional for management. If they don't want to pay it, they can hire more workers.

Don't want to pay your quasi-managers overtime? Then send them home after 40 hours