Obama says he has the authority to kill civilians

[Redfish]

If the Bush DOJ issued such a determination, there would already be an impeachment bill in congress.

But not with Chairman Maobama, he is above the law and is permitted to ignore the constitution.

WTF has happened to our country?

 

[KissMy]

You are posting conspiracy memes that fall apart on examination. Tis what tis.

Oklahoma City bombing case file too massive to search, FBI tells Utah judge - Due to past evidence that Hardy had provided false and misleading information to a court in another case, U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups ordered Hardy to declare that he or any of the involved federal agents had not provided the court with incomplete or misleading information. Waddoups expressed concern about the previous unrelated case: "When the deception was revealed, the government argued that it had authority to mislead the court and requested an opportunity to brief the issue."

You continue to fail.

Kenneth Michael Trentadue lived in California, violated the law in California & was arrested in California, but was tortured to death in Oklahoma City, OK.

Why was he taken to Oklahoma City. The DOJ said he was found hung in his cell with a noose made out of his bed sheets. Ligature marks on his neck match plastic zip-tie police hand-cuffs! His body was beaten from the bottom of his feet, his back side front side & everywhere else to the top of his head and his throat had been cut! The FBI tried to cremate his body 4 times. When the family finally got his body back from the FBI it was covered head to toe with make-up. The day after Trentadue's death, Kevin Rowland, the chief examiner of the Oklahoma state medical examiner filed a complaint with the FBI reporting irregularities in the investigation of Trentadue's death: the coroner was at first not permitted into the cell where Trentadue had died, and the cell itself was washed out before any investigation could be performed. The complaint went on to state that, although the exact cause of death could not be determined, the claim that Trentadue had committed suicide was not consistent with the medical examiner's findings, and Trentadue appeared to have been tortured. The FBI paperwork from the agent who received the medical examiner's call reads "murder" and "believes that foul play is suspected in this matter."

A Board of Inquiry was convened by the Bureau of Prisons. The attorney in charge of the investigation was ordered to treat his findings as "attorney work product", a legal distinction that would protect information uncovered in his investigation from any potential lawsuit or Freedom of Information Act inquiries. Medical examiner Fred Jordan remained firm in his refusal to classify the death a suicide. Jordan told the U.S. Attorney's Office that Trentadue had been "abused and tortured", and would even go so far as to say "the federal grand jury is part of a cover-up." In November 1999 the U.S. Inspector General released a report stating that the FBI and Bureau of Prisons had poorly conducted the investigation, and that four employees of the federal government had "destroyed evidence" & "made false statements" under oath in connection to the Trentadue case. The Trentadue family filed a wrongful death suit against the federal government, and were awarded a judgment of $1.1 million dollars.

Alden Gillis Baker, a witness to this torture, death & clean-up also died the same way. Along with Richard Lee Guthrie Jr the bombing suspect Trentadue was mistaken for. Guthrie was due to tell all to the L.A. Times the following day.

JakeStarkey = Loser!

 

[editec]

If the Bush DOJ issued such a determination, there would already be an impeachment bill in congress.

But not with Chairman Maobama, he is above the law and is permitted to ignore the constitution.

WTF has happened to our country?

The legal "justification" was founded in a ruling of the SCOTUS in 2004, Redfish.

What is happening to our nation (which I share concerns about) were happening long before you or I ever heard the name OBAMA.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You continue to fail.

Kenneth Michael Trentadue lived in California, violated the law in California & was arrested in California, but was tortured to death in Oklahoma City, OK.

Why was he taken to Oklahoma City. The DOJ said he was found hung in his cell with a noose made out of his bed sheets. Ligature marks on his neck match plastic zip-tie police hand-cuffs! His body was beaten from the bottom of his feet, his back side front side & everywhere else to the top of his head and his throat had been cut! The FBI tried to cremate his body 4 times. When the family finally got his body back from the FBI it was covered head to toe with make-up. The day after Trentadue's death, Kevin Rowland, the chief examiner of the Oklahoma state medical examiner filed a complaint with the FBI reporting irregularities in the investigation of Trentadue's death: the coroner was at first not permitted into the cell where Trentadue had died, and the cell itself was washed out before any investigation could be performed. The complaint went on to state that, although the exact cause of death could not be determined, the claim that Trentadue had committed suicide was not consistent with the medical examiner's findings, and Trentadue appeared to have been tortured. The FBI paperwork from the agent who received the medical examiner's call reads "murder" and "believes that foul play is suspected in this matter."

A Board of Inquiry was convened by the Bureau of Prisons. The attorney in charge of the investigation was ordered to treat his findings as "attorney work product", a legal distinction that would protect information uncovered in his investigation from any potential lawsuit or Freedom of Information Act inquiries. Medical examiner Fred Jordan remained firm in his refusal to classify the death a suicide. Jordan told the U.S. Attorney's Office that Trentadue had been "abused and tortured", and would even go so far as to say "the federal grand jury is part of a cover-up." In November 1999 the U.S. Inspector General released a report stating that the FBI and Bureau of Prisons had poorly conducted the investigation, and that four employees of the federal government had "destroyed evidence" & "made false statements" under oath in connection to the Trentadue case. The Trentadue family filed a wrongful death suit against the federal government, and were awarded a judgment of $1.1 million dollars.

Alden Gillis Baker, a witness to this torture, death & clean-up also died the same way. Along with Richard Lee Guthrie Jr the bombing suspect Trentadue was mistaken for. Guthrie was due to tell all to the L.A. Times the following day.

JakeStarkey = Loser!

DOJ report posted above says your raging inept interp is the LOSER

 

[Katzndogz]

Right now Leon Panetta is testifying about Benghazi. He says the government didn't know that an attack was either being planned or in progress. There was no way they could have known. There is no reliable intelligence network (because obama does not permit capture or questioning).

We are expected to believe the government couldn't get it right in Benghazi, but will always get it right with drone attacks on a hand picked hit list.

Un huh.

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

You poor pitiful ignorant lefty fools.

 

[Ava]

If the Bush DOJ issued such a determination, there would already be an impeachment bill in congress.

But not with Chairman Maobama, he is above the law and is permitted to ignore the constitution.

WTF has happened to our country?

SNIP:

She was writing about President Obama killing Americans and refusing to divulge the legal basis for claiming the right to do so. Now we know that basis.

Read more: President Obama gives himself permission to kill | Fox News

 

[Redfish]

If the Bush DOJ issued such a determination, there would already be an impeachment bill in congress.

But not with Chairman Maobama, he is above the law and is permitted to ignore the constitution.

WTF has happened to our country?

The legal "justification" was founded in a ruling of the SCOTUS in 2004, Redfish.

What is happening to our nation (which I share concerns about) were happening long before you or I ever heard the name OBAMA.

true, but the decline has accelerated greatly under obama and his marxist ideas. Can you provide a cite where Bush or his DOJ ever said that the killing of americans under suspicion was constitutional? No, of course you can't.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What "Marxist ideas." Do you even know what Marxism is, can you define it? Can you then apply that definition to Obama or Bush's admins as Marxist?

 

[Katzndogz]

obama might have gone beyond mere marxism into pure godhead.

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

What "Marxist ideas." Do you even know what Marxism is, can you define it? Can you then apply that definition to Obama or Bush's admins as Marxist?

If Bush was doing what Obama is doing, you and your pals would be throwing fits of rage f24/7. Hypocrites.

 

[Truthmatters]

You continue to fail.

Kenneth Michael Trentadue lived in California, violated the law in California & was arrested in California, but was tortured to death in Oklahoma City, OK.

Why was he taken to Oklahoma City. The DOJ said he was found hung in his cell with a noose made out of his bed sheets. Ligature marks on his neck match plastic zip-tie police hand-cuffs! His body was beaten from the bottom of his feet, his back side front side & everywhere else to the top of his head and his throat had been cut! The FBI tried to cremate his body 4 times. When the family finally got his body back from the FBI it was covered head to toe with make-up. The day after Trentadue's death, Kevin Rowland, the chief examiner of the Oklahoma state medical examiner filed a complaint with the FBI reporting irregularities in the investigation of Trentadue's death: the coroner was at first not permitted into the cell where Trentadue had died, and the cell itself was washed out before any investigation could be performed. The complaint went on to state that, although the exact cause of death could not be determined, the claim that Trentadue had committed suicide was not consistent with the medical examiner's findings, and Trentadue appeared to have been tortured. The FBI paperwork from the agent who received the medical examiner's call reads "murder" and "believes that foul play is suspected in this matter."

A Board of Inquiry was convened by the Bureau of Prisons. The attorney in charge of the investigation was ordered to treat his findings as "attorney work product", a legal distinction that would protect information uncovered in his investigation from any potential lawsuit or Freedom of Information Act inquiries. Medical examiner Fred Jordan remained firm in his refusal to classify the death a suicide. Jordan told the U.S. Attorney's Office that Trentadue had been "abused and tortured", and would even go so far as to say "the federal grand jury is part of a cover-up." In November 1999 the U.S. Inspector General released a report stating that the FBI and Bureau of Prisons had poorly conducted the investigation, and that four employees of the federal government had "destroyed evidence" & "made false statements" under oath in connection to the Trentadue case. The Trentadue family filed a wrongful death suit against the federal government, and were awarded a judgment of $1.1 million dollars.

Alden Gillis Baker, a witness to this torture, death & clean-up also died the same way. Along with Richard Lee Guthrie Jr the bombing suspect Trentadue was mistaken for. Guthrie was due to tell all to the L.A. Times the following day.

JakeStarkey = Loser!

DOJ report posted above says your raging inept interp is the LOSER

How do you know he was not beaten by fellow prisoners and then committed suicide because of the conditions in prison?

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

Leon Panetta has admitted that waterboarding provided information that led to the killing of Osama. Now we have a President who condemns waterboarding and chooses to just assassinate American citizens without a trial. Nice. You poor pitiful ignorant lefty fools.

 

[Truthmatters]

What "Marxist ideas." Do you even know what Marxism is, can you define it? Can you then apply that definition to Obama or Bush's admins as Marxist?

If Bush was doing what Obama is doing, you and your pals would be throwing fits of rage f24/7. Hypocrites.

Bush is in record in retaining this power.

why was it OK for Bush but not the first black president?

 

[KissMy]

Kenneth Michael Trentadue lived in California, violated the law in California & was arrested in California, but was tortured to death in Oklahoma City, OK.

Why was he taken to Oklahoma City. The DOJ said he was found hung in his cell with a noose made out of his bed sheets. Ligature marks on his neck match plastic zip-tie police hand-cuffs! His body was beaten from the bottom of his feet, his back side front side & everywhere else to the top of his head and his throat had been cut! The FBI tried to cremate his body 4 times. When the family finally got his body back from the FBI it was covered head to toe with make-up. The day after Trentadue's death, Kevin Rowland, the chief examiner of the Oklahoma state medical examiner filed a complaint with the FBI reporting irregularities in the investigation of Trentadue's death: the coroner was at first not permitted into the cell where Trentadue had died, and the cell itself was washed out before any investigation could be performed. The complaint went on to state that, although the exact cause of death could not be determined, the claim that Trentadue had committed suicide was not consistent with the medical examiner's findings, and Trentadue appeared to have been tortured. The FBI paperwork from the agent who received the medical examiner's call reads "murder" and "believes that foul play is suspected in this matter."

A Board of Inquiry was convened by the Bureau of Prisons. The attorney in charge of the investigation was ordered to treat his findings as "attorney work product", a legal distinction that would protect information uncovered in his investigation from any potential lawsuit or Freedom of Information Act inquiries. Medical examiner Fred Jordan remained firm in his refusal to classify the death a suicide. Jordan told the U.S. Attorney's Office that Trentadue had been "abused and tortured", and would even go so far as to say "the federal grand jury is part of a cover-up." In November 1999 the U.S. Inspector General released a report stating that the FBI and Bureau of Prisons had poorly conducted the investigation, and that four employees of the federal government had "destroyed evidence" & "made false statements" under oath in connection to the Trentadue case. The Trentadue family filed a wrongful death suit against the federal government, and were awarded a judgment of $1.1 million dollars.

Alden Gillis Baker, a witness to this torture, death & clean-up also died the same way. Along with Richard Lee Guthrie Jr the bombing suspect Trentadue was mistaken for. Guthrie was due to tell all to the L.A. Times the following day.

JakeStarkey = Loser!

- DOJ report posted above says your raging inept interp is the LOSER

- How do you know he was not beaten by fellow prisoners and then committed suicide because of the conditions in prison?

- Because Alden Gillis Baker witnessed this torture, death & clean-up.

- Trentadue should have never been in FBI custody.

- Trentadue should have never been transfered to Oklahoma.

- Witness to the torture was murdered before he could testify.

- Fellow prisoners do not bind & choke you to death with plastic police zip-tie handcuffs.

- Two medical examiners said the FBI & prison officials tried to cover it up.

- At least 4 FBI agents got caught in court lying & destroying evidence to cover up this murder.

- The Government was found guilty in court & had to pay his family $1.1 million.

- FBI is still in violation of court orders to produce evidence from their okbomb files.

 

[gallantwarrior]

If the Bush DOJ issued such a determination, there would already be an impeachment bill in congress.

But not with Chairman Maobama, he is above the law and is permitted to ignore the constitution.

WTF has happened to our country?

The legal "justification" was founded in a ruling of the SCOTUS in 2004, Redfish.

What is happening to our nation (which I share concerns about) were happening long before you or I ever heard the name OBAMA.

Just when and how should it stop, then? I'm so sick and tired of this president being given a pass just because...well, the others did it too!

 

[gallantwarrior]

If the Bush DOJ issued such a determination, there would already be an impeachment bill in congress.

But not with Chairman Maobama, he is above the law and is permitted to ignore the constitution.

WTF has happened to our country?

SNIP:

She was writing about President Obama killing Americans and refusing to divulge the legal basis for claiming the right to do so. Now we know that basis.

Read more: President Obama gives himself permission to kill | Fox News

In other words, the most heinous rapist, child-abuser, murderer, regardless of where he committed his crimes or who he committed them against, is entitled to be brought to the United States to stand trial for his "crimes", most likely not ever to see a death penalty. But an American citizen, overseas for unknown reasons, under suspicion formed by some vague "highly placed" government official, can be summarily executed without seeing the face, or knowing the identity of his accuser? And by such a cowardly means?

 

[Trajan]

He does it, so saying so isn't really worth anything. Furthermore, that's an unsigned paper produced while a policy for this behaviour was being drawn up in case Romney won the elections. Now, that is all backburner and will likely never happen.


Is there a point here besides distraction and Obama bashing?

ask Alberto Gonzales and John Yoo, maybe they can help you with that question

 

[JakeStarkey]

Stop it, guys, until you sort it out. Some of you are indeed serious about the legal ramifications of what "authorized drone kill" means for American freedoms. Some of you are just pissed a black Democrat is doing what a white Republican did.

My opinion: when an American deliberately outlaws himself from American justice to where he can only be touched by a drone, so be it.

 

[Dot Com]

Stop it, guys, until you sort it out. Some of you are indeed serious about the legal ramifications of what "authorized drone kill" means for American freedoms. Some of you are just pissed a black Democrat is doing what a white Republican did.

My opinion: when an American deliberately outlaws himself from American justice to where he can only be touched by a drone, so be it.

agreed. The President sent a msg. to the militia-types when he had the drones do an overfly at the Inauguration