ObamaCare is NOT socialism

ObamaCare most certainly is socialism. Where are people rushing to in numbers so great that the web sites crashed?

That's right. GOVERNMENT RUN health insurance exchanges.

Who wrote all the rules by which health providers and insurers and users of healthcare must abide?

That's right. The government.

You want your insurance company to be listed on an exchange? The government is going to have to see your employment records to make sure you have enough blacks and Hispanics and women in your company first.

You have to be some kind of specially deluded retard to not see ObamaCare as a mad rush toward socialism.

The health-care exchanges that launched bear no resemblance to what Merriam-Webster defines as

"a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies."

Yes the government set up the rules, but the exchanges are populated by private business thus negating that this is socialist.
 
the unaffordable care act is the biggest FASCIST intrusion on OUR rights and privacy BY this Federal government EVER

I hope they pass a law banning ABORTION next against the WILL OF THE PEOPLE in this country..then Newsday can pump out an article saying it's not Socialism or them being Fascist

so what they are TELLING you what you can and can't have...it's just abortions

newsday pumping out the propaganda

It's cute when the mentally challenged find a new word to throw out there as if they understand what it means.
 
ObamaCare most certainly is socialism. Where are people rushing to in numbers so great that the web sites crashed?

That's right. GOVERNMENT RUN health insurance exchanges.

Who wrote all the rules by which health providers and insurers and users of healthcare must abide?

That's right. The government.

You want your insurance company to be listed on an exchange? The government is going to have to see your employment records to make sure you have enough blacks and Hispanics and women in your company first.

You have to be some kind of specially deluded retard to not see ObamaCare as a mad rush toward socialism.

The health-care exchanges that launched bear no resemblance to what Merriam-Webster defines as

"a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies."

Yes the government set up the rules, but the exchanges are populated by private business thus negating that this is socialist.

:lol:

If you don't think the healthcare business is not now controlled by the government, then you are about as retarded as it gets.
 
ObamaCare most certainly is socialism. Where are people rushing to in numbers so great that the web sites crashed?

That's right. GOVERNMENT RUN health insurance exchanges.

Who wrote all the rules by which health providers and insurers and users of healthcare must abide?

That's right. The government.

You want your insurance company to be listed on an exchange? The government is going to have to see your employment records to make sure you have enough blacks and Hispanics and women in your company first.

You have to be some kind of specially deluded retard to not see ObamaCare as a mad rush toward socialism.

The health-care exchanges that launched bear no resemblance to what Merriam-Webster defines as

"a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies."

Yes the government set up the rules, but the exchanges are populated by private business thus negating that this is socialist.

:lol:

If you don't think the healthcare business is not now controlled by the government, then you are about as retarded as it gets.

Then what is the role of private insurers? If everyone were being put on Medicare/Medicaid under Obamacare then I could agree that it's socialism, but that's not at all what is happening.

Let's try and keep this civil. Don't think I insulted you in my response to you before.
 
ObamaCare most certainly is socialism. Where are people rushing to in numbers so great that the web sites crashed?

That's right. GOVERNMENT RUN health insurance exchanges.

Who wrote all the rules by which health providers and insurers and users of healthcare must abide?

That's right. The government.

You want your insurance company to be listed on an exchange? The government is going to have to see your employment records to make sure you have enough blacks and Hispanics and women in your company first.

You have to be some kind of specially deluded retard to not see ObamaCare as a mad rush toward socialism.

Isn't all insurance socialist? Monies put in a pot and distributed.
 
Government regulations have choked healthcare for years......and the Dimwits think even more will help....

Here we go again! Which regulations are those?

why ask when you're the one who says there is no free market...

There is no free market in healthcare insurance because regulations to keep free market competition were removed.

So which regulations are 'chocking healthcare'?
 
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This is just the last push to collapse the health insurance industry and then they will scream that a full government takeover is the only fix.... it's the way these folks work.

Wait for it...
 
Government regulations have choked healthcare for years......and the Dimwits think even more will help....

Here we go again! Which regulations are those?

why ask when you're the one who says there is no free market...

It's not a free market, not any more. It used to be a free markets within state boundaries. Now it's an oligopoly awarded to the insurance industry by federal mandate.

Further, the feds have sufficiently trashed the market so as to make it to expensive for people who have low risk in order to make it cheaper for people that have no money and/or the people that are high risk.

For example, used to be the insurance companies were limited to 5x ratio between the highest premium and the lowest premium, now it's 3x. For example, a 25year old with no pre-existing used to be able to get insurance for 1/5 the cost of a 60year old that has pre-existing cancer, a couple heart valve replacements, and a six year old steal hip that is rusting. Now the Insurance company has to give the expensive customer a discount rate and bilk the guy who does not even really need insurance.

As another example, illegal immigrants are now collecting subsidies for health insurance, even though they are working, have 50k in cash ready to send back home, kids on CHIPS, kids getting free schooling, getting free hospital care, free care at clinics, free rent, free utilities, free bus rides... it pays to be a criminal in the USA especially when you are raising democrats.
 
Cloward-Piven IN FULL display with the administration

THE FINAL push and they are all salivating waiting to drive the last NAIL in our coffin and FREEDOMS

 
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This is just the last push to collapse the health insurance industry and then they will scream that a full government takeover is the only fix.... it's the way these folks work.

Wait for it...

actually not.

insurance industry is the only beneficiary of all of this crap - the selected few big corporations will make trillions on the backs of ordinary taxpayers and those big businesses are protected by the government and actually racket those taxpayers which don't want to be gauged by those businesses.

It is a typical fascist type of enterprise.

Which is a form of twisted socialism.
 
I do see one small benefit to all this Obama Care nonsense. Just one.

Because medicaid is means tested, people caught with pre-existing conditions had only a couple choices. Lean on relatives, pay through the nose, sell their stuff, beg for help. Many folks on medicaid got there by selling their stuff and quitting their jobs so they could meet the means test.

In particular, those people should be able to keep their jobs, remain productive members of society now.
 
I wonder what mandated healthcare insurance and government run healthcare insurance exchanges were called back in 1989 when the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation purposed these things?

Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans
Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans

Heritage Rewrites History
Heritage Rewrites History - WSJ.com

Any guesses what conservatives or the left called Heritage's concept? Anyone?
 
It is corporatism approved by We the People in two presidential elections, by the Senate, by the House, signed by the President, opined by Congress.

Let's move on.
 
no matter what one wishes to call it.....Obamacare is still a giant step toward taking healthcare from the free market and placing it under the auspices of government.....

this step is very important to the Left....as expressed by Lenin himself....see my sig line...

The free market? You think health care has been in the free market for the past 30 years? If you think a monopoly comprised of UnitedHealth, Aetna, Wellpoint, BCBS, Humana and Cigna constitutes the "free market" then you really have a bird brain that is shouting, not screaming.

You want a profit-driven board of directors to decide if they should save your sorry ass or if it just isn't in the interest of their shareholders? Those are the real death panels, honey.

Answer the questions.

Oh and if you want to think some third rail insurer who advertises under a different name isn't UNDERWRITTEN by one of the above-mentioned insurers, then you're not only a bird brain, but you got shit for brains, too.
 
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I do see one small benefit to all this Obama Care nonsense. Just one.

Because medicaid is means tested, people caught with pre-existing conditions had only a couple choices. Lean on relatives, pay through the nose, sell their stuff, beg for help. Many folks on medicaid got there by selling their stuff and quitting their jobs so they could meet the means test.

In particular, those people should be able to keep their jobs, remain productive members of society now.

And let's not forget the people "caught" with pre-existing conditions (interesting choice of words) sometimes just died.

They didn't make the 24/7 news cycle because their deaths were not sensational, but rather quiet, desperate and silent because of the shame that accompanies not having "health insurance" and the stigma we put on people if they need to apply for Medicaid. But they are in the millions.
 

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