ObamaCare is NOT socialism

[ScreamingEagle]

no matter what one wishes to call it.....Obamacare is still a giant step toward taking healthcare from the free market and placing it under the auspices of government.....

this step is very important to the Left....as expressed by Lenin himself....see my sig line...

The free market? You think health care has been in the free market for the past 30 years? If you think a monopoly comprised of UnitedHealth, Aetna, Wellpoint, BCBS, Humana and Cigna constitutes the "free market" then you really have a bird brain that is shouting, not screaming.

You want a profit-driven board of directors to decide if they should save your sorry ass or if it just isn't in the interest of their shareholders? Those are the real death panels, honey.

Answer the questions.

Oh and if you want to think some third rail insurer who advertises under a different name isn't UNDERWRITTEN by one of the above-mentioned insurers, then you're not only a bird brain, but you got shit for brains, too.

i never said we HAVE a totally free market...our system is quite a hodgepodge.....but under Obozocare there will be even LESS of a free market....

Socialized medicine is NOT FREE MARKET......at all....

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Would anyone here care to, be able to, explain to me [a foreigner looking in], in simple terms, just what basically Obamacare is?

An Aussie!

Basically Obamacare is a fucked up version of universal healthcare because the Republicans kissed major ass with the large insurance companies. Made a lot of Congressmen rich in kick-backs from the aforementioned insurers that I listed in my previous post.

Is your healthcare system anything like the U.K. or Canada's?

 

[Edgetho]

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

no matter what one wishes to call it.....Obamacare is still a giant step toward taking healthcare from the free market and placing it under the auspices of government.....

this step is very important to the Left....as expressed by Lenin himself....see my sig line...

The free market? You think health care has been in the free market for the past 30 years? If you think a monopoly comprised of UnitedHealth, Aetna, Wellpoint, BCBS, Humana and Cigna constitutes the "free market" then you really have a bird brain that is shouting, not screaming.

You want a profit-driven board of directors to decide if they should save your sorry ass or if it just isn't in the interest of their shareholders? Those are the real death panels, honey.

Answer the questions.

Oh and if you want to think some third rail insurer who advertises under a different name isn't UNDERWRITTEN by one of the above-mentioned insurers, then you're not only a bird brain, but you got shit for brains, too.

i never said we HAVE a totally free market...our system is quite a hodgepodge.....but under Obozocare there will be even LESS of a free market....

Socialized medicine is NOT FREE MARKET......at all....

Don't try to walk it back now, Parakeet. You stepped in your own bird shit a few posts back.

 

[Vox]

Would anyone here care to, be able to, explain to me [a foreigner looking in], in simple terms, just what basically Obamacare is?

a rip-off of the taxpayer for the benefit of the few big corporations guarded for and punished for by government - for the benefit of those corporations ( which then donate to dimocraps).

It is a fascist type of enterprise.

 

[Edgetho]

Would anyone here care to, be able to, explain to me [a foreigner looking in], in simple terms, just what basically Obamacare is?

It's actually very simple --



Consumer Prices in United States are 34.82% lower than in Australia
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 37.50% lower than in Australia
Rent Prices in United States are 42.93% lower than in Australia
Restaurant Prices in United States are 33.73% lower than in Australia
Groceries Prices in United States are 29.20% lower than in Australia
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 29.48% higher than in Australia

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

There are plenty of first world countries who have health care models we could have used to fashion a new system. We could learn from their mistakes and create a better model. We don't have to go far. Try to take Canada's health care system away from them. You'll have to pry it out of their cold, dead hands if I can borrow a phrase from the far right wingnuts.

 

[Vox]

The free market? You think health care has been in the free market for the past 30 years? If you think a monopoly comprised of UnitedHealth, Aetna, Wellpoint, BCBS, Humana and Cigna constitutes the "free market" then you really have a bird brain that is shouting, not screaming.

You want a profit-driven board of directors to decide if they should save your sorry ass or if it just isn't in the interest of their shareholders? Those are the real death panels, honey.

Answer the questions.

Oh and if you want to think some third rail insurer who advertises under a different name isn't UNDERWRITTEN by one of the above-mentioned insurers, then you're not only a bird brain, but you got shit for brains, too.

i never said we HAVE a totally free market...our system is quite a hodgepodge.....but under Obozocare there will be even LESS of a free market....

Socialized medicine is NOT FREE MARKET......at all....

]Don't try to walk it back now, Parakeet. You stepped in your own bird shit a few posts back. [/B]

you are one more leftard who can't understand what the opponents are talking about? surprise, surprise

 

[RKMBrown]

I do see one small benefit to all this Obama Care nonsense. Just one.

Because medicaid is means tested, people caught with pre-existing conditions had only a couple choices. Lean on relatives, pay through the nose, sell their stuff, beg for help. Many folks on medicaid got there by selling their stuff and quitting their jobs so they could meet the means test.

In particular, those people should be able to keep their jobs, remain productive members of society now.

And let's not forget the people "caught" with pre-existing conditions (interesting choice of words) sometimes just died.

They didn't make the 24/7 news cycle because their deaths were not sensational, but rather quiet, desperate and silent because of the shame that accompanies not having "health insurance" and the stigma we put on people if they need to apply for Medicaid. But they are in the millions.

Yeah it's an interesting problem. It seems to me Health Care was cheaper and better when we had more choices. For example, when people had to pay for hospital stays and cost was not passed on to the next consumer the price was a lot cheaper. When medicare and medicaid did not get a discount passed on to other consumers, private care was cheaper. When pregnancies were paid for by separate policies instead of being tossed into everyone else's policies, it was cheaper. I had to pay 12, 13, and 15k out of my pocket for maternity coverage. Now, after I paid those premiums it is distributed to me again to pay for other people maternity coverage.. this is not right.

There are many other situations where the government regulations on our health care system have resulted in cost over runs for everyone that is dumb enough to pay for government regulated insurance instead of health care.

We would all be better off if we, along with our doctors, managed our own health care. Of course that assumes we all do our part to earn enough money to buy the things we want.

The rock and the hard place is seeing people driving around in BMWs collecting disability and medicaid.

The feds are just not the right people to dole out charity. Charity should be done by locals to locals. Not blindly by checks from DC.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The free market? You think health care has been in the free market for the past 30 years? If you think a monopoly comprised of UnitedHealth, Aetna, Wellpoint, BCBS, Humana and Cigna constitutes the "free market" then you really have a bird brain that is shouting, not screaming.

You want a profit-driven board of directors to decide if they should save your sorry ass or if it just isn't in the interest of their shareholders? Those are the real death panels, honey.

Answer the questions.

Oh and if you want to think some third rail insurer who advertises under a different name isn't UNDERWRITTEN by one of the above-mentioned insurers, then you're not only a bird brain, but you got shit for brains, too.

i never said we HAVE a totally free market...our system is quite a hodgepodge.....but under Obozocare there will be even LESS of a free market....

Socialized medicine is NOT FREE MARKET......at all....

Don't try to walk it back now, Parakeet. You stepped in your own bird shit a few posts back.

before Obamacare one could go buy heathcare directly from a doctor......paying cash....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could go buy major medical for very little to cover emergencies....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could choose to buy the exact type of coverage he wanted.....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could choose to not buy healthcare at all without a penalty....FREE MARKET

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Would anyone here care to, be able to, explain to me [a foreigner looking in], in simple terms, just what basically Obamacare is?

It's actually very simple --



Consumer Prices in United States are 34.82% lower than in Australia
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 37.50% lower than in Australia
Rent Prices in United States are 42.93% lower than in Australia
Restaurant Prices in United States are 33.73% lower than in Australia
Groceries Prices in United States are 29.20% lower than in Australia
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 29.48% higher than in Australia

LOL! That's an explanation for the ACA? GOd, no wonder you all keep losing elecitons.
Getting "all wonky" on us, huh? LMAO. Got a link to those stats?

 

[Billo_Really]

No, it's corporatism.

Bingo! We have our winner!

That's what you call, "Hitting the nail on the head!"

Anyone calling it socialism, communism, etc., just don't know the meaning of the those terms.

 

[kiwiman127]

Would anyone here care to, be able to, explain to me [a foreigner looking in], in simple terms, just what basically Obamacare is?

It's actually very simple --



Consumer Prices in United States are 34.82% lower than in Australia
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 37.50% lower than in Australia
Rent Prices in United States are 42.93% lower than in Australia
Restaurant Prices in United States are 33.73% lower than in Australia
Groceries Prices in United States are 29.20% lower than in Australia
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 29.48% higher than in Australia

You forgot to mention that the cost of healthcare per captia within the USA is twice as much as it is in Australia.
Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries | PBS NewsHour

 

[deltex1]

https://www.newsday.com/opinion/ope...gs-but-it-s-certainly-not-socialism-1.6211076

You know who should be angry about Obamacare? Real socialists. The tea party opponents of the Affordable Care Act promised them a government incursion that the new law does not deliver.

Think back to the rallies of 2009 and 2010. All those signs mocking President Obama with the word socialist emblazoned upon them were as common as Gadsden ("Don't Tread on Me") flags. But the health-care exchanges that launched Tuesday bear no resemblance to what Merriam-Webster defines as "a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies." And actual socialists have noticed.

"Obamacare cannot be considered socialist in any way," according to Greg Pason, the national secretary for Socialist Party USA.

"The ACA program relies on private health insurance companies to manage health services," Pason said. "A socialized system would not include 'health insurance,' but would be an actual national health-care system which would be publicly funded through progressive taxation and controlled by democratically elected assemblies of health-care workers and patients."

He's right. Under the ACA, health insurance in America is still being delivered by private practitioners and paid for by private insurers. In fact, the vast majority of Americans who receive their health insurance from employer-paid plans will see no discernible change in their coverage or delivery, and need not access the exchanges. The only people who have to access the exchanges are the uninsured or those in the individual market (the 12 million to 15 million who purchase insurance for themselves). Soon, small businesses with 50 or fewer workers will go on the "SHOP exchange." Seniors are another group that should experience no change.

"Those who are reliant on Medicare need not be concerned, either," Mary Agnes Carey of Kaiser Health News told me. "Medicare has its own separate enrollment period. It starts in just a couple of weeks. The Medicare enrollment period is if you want to switch within Medicare to a different plan. ... But regarding the Affordable Care Act and the health insurance exchanges, you don't have to do anything."..............................................

Obabble isn't smart enough to reach his goal of socialized medicine....but this a huge step in that fucked up direction.

 

[Edgetho]

Would anyone here care to, be able to, explain to me [a foreigner looking in], in simple terms, just what basically Obamacare is?

It's actually very simple --



Consumer Prices in United States are 34.82% lower than in Australia
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 37.50% lower than in Australia
Rent Prices in United States are 42.93% lower than in Australia
Restaurant Prices in United States are 33.73% lower than in Australia
Groceries Prices in United States are 29.20% lower than in Australia
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 29.48% higher than in Australia

LOL! That's an explanation for the ACA? GOd, no wonder you all keep losing elecitons.
Getting "all wonky" on us, huh? LMAO. Got a link to those stats?

Cost Of Living Comparison Between Australia And United States

Where's that sandwich, bitch?

 

[Edgetho]

Would anyone here care to, be able to, explain to me [a foreigner looking in], in simple terms, just what basically Obamacare is?

It's actually very simple --



Consumer Prices in United States are 34.82% lower than in Australia
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 37.50% lower than in Australia
Rent Prices in United States are 42.93% lower than in Australia
Restaurant Prices in United States are 33.73% lower than in Australia
Groceries Prices in United States are 29.20% lower than in Australia
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 29.48% higher than in Australia

You forgot to mention that the cost of healthcare per captia within the USA is twice as much as it is in Australia.
Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries | PBS NewsHour

From PBS? Why don't you link us to the CPUSA?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

i never said we HAVE a totally free market...our system is quite a hodgepodge.....but under Obozocare there will be even LESS of a free market....

Socialized medicine is NOT FREE MARKET......at all....

Don't try to walk it back now, Parakeet. You stepped in your own bird shit a few posts back.

before Obamacare one could go buy heathcare directly from a doctor......paying cash....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could go buy major medical for very little to cover emergencies....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could choose to not buy healthcare at all without a penalty....FREE MARKET

You are wrong.

Answer me this, BirdBrain: Why do doctors and hospitals charge the uninsured roughly 100% MORE at the counter than the bill they file to the insurer? I'm talking about those who pay at the time of service. Answer the question with data and facts, not your birdshit rhetoric.

Hospitals Charge Uninsured and “Self-Pay” Patients More than Double What Insured Patients Pay
Hospitals Charge Uninsured and ?Self-Pay? Patients More than Double What Insured Patients Pay - 2007 - News Releases - News - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Now stop before you embarrass yourself further.....Johns Hopkins says you're a dumbass and so do I.

 

[Edgetho]

Don't try to walk it back now, Parakeet. You stepped in your own bird shit a few posts back.

before Obamacare one could go buy heathcare directly from a doctor......paying cash....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could go buy major medical for very little to cover emergencies....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could choose to not buy healthcare at all without a penalty....FREE MARKET

You are wrong.

Answer me this, BirdBrain: Why do doctors and hospitals charge the uninsured roughly 100% MORE at the counter than the bill they file to the insurer? I'm talking about those who pay at the time of service. Answer the question with data and facts, not your birdshit rhetoric.

Hospitals Charge Uninsured and “Self-Pay” Patients More than Double What Insured Patients Pay
Hospitals Charge Uninsured and ?Self-Pay? Patients More than Double What Insured Patients Pay - 2007 - News Releases - News - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Now stop before you embarrass yourself further.....Johns Hopkins says you're a dumbass and so do I.

Uhh.... Hey, STUPID!!!

They CHARGE them that.... They don't collect it.

What a fucking moron you are.

They charge them twice as much because they know they're never going to get it and this way, they can write it off as a "Capital Loss" on their Income Taxes.

You people never fail to amuse me

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

It's actually very simple --



Consumer Prices in United States are 34.82% lower than in Australia
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 37.50% lower than in Australia
Rent Prices in United States are 42.93% lower than in Australia
Restaurant Prices in United States are 33.73% lower than in Australia
Groceries Prices in United States are 29.20% lower than in Australia
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 29.48% higher than in Australia

You forgot to mention that the cost of healthcare per captia within the USA is twice as much as it is in Australia.
Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries | PBS NewsHour

From PBS? Why don't you link us to the CPUSA?

Great article. And if you morons care to actually read it you will see you have shot yourself in the foot and still didn't answer the Australian's question either. Typical righties. All smoke and mirrors.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Don't try to walk it back now, Parakeet. You stepped in your own bird shit a few posts back.

before Obamacare one could go buy heathcare directly from a doctor......paying cash....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could go buy major medical for very little to cover emergencies....FREE MARKET

before Obamacare one could choose to not buy healthcare at all without a penalty....FREE MARKET

You are wrong.

Answer me this, BirdBrain: Why do doctors and hospitals charge the uninsured roughly 50% MORE at the counter than the bill they file to the insurer? I'm talking about those who pay at the time of service. Answer the question with data and facts, not your birdshit rhetoric.

Hospitals Charge Uninsured and “Self-Pay” Patients More than Double What Insured Patients Pay
Hospitals Charge Uninsured and ?Self-Pay? Patients More than Double What Insured Patients Pay - 2007 - News Releases - News - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Now stop before you embarrass yourself further.....John Hopkins says you're a dumbass and so do I.

what the hell does that have to do with what i just said about us having some free market choices before Obamacare....?

Obamacare is simply going to make the noose tighter.....AND more costly....

idiots like you are going to choke on your own words someday when you become a cast-aside government health statistic under your government care program....