Obamacare Under Attack

[GWV5903]

It should be under attack. Congress and the IRS want to be exempt from this clusterfuck. That tells us everything we need to know. They are the ones that passed it and understand what's in it. And they are running away from it, while at the same time preparing to force it on the rest of us.

We need a 10,000,000 Citizen March on DC and make it clear, if they don't want it neither do we...

These assholes need to go, largest collection of crap on earth...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

It should be under attack. Congress and the IRS want to be exempt from this clusterfuck. That tells us everything we need to know. They are the ones that passed it and understand what's in it. And they are running away from it, while at the same time preparing to force it on the rest of us.

Really?

Please post a link to the congress persons and IRS employees who have turned down their tax-funded health care.

Maybe you meant this teepotter yahoo:

GOP frosh: Where's my health care? - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

A conservative Maryland physician elected to Congress on an anti-Obamacare platform surprised fellow freshmen at a Monday orientation session by demanding to know why his government-subsidized health care plan takes a month to kick in.

Republican Andy Harris, an anesthesiologist who defeated freshman Democrat Frank Kratovil on Maryland’s Eastern Shore, reacted incredulously when informed that federal law mandated that his government-subsidized health care policy would take effect on Feb. 1 – 28 days after his Jan. 3rd swearing-in.

Read more: GOP frosh: Where's my health care? - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

Fact is, they love it.

The only reason they don't want the rest of us to have the very same health care coverage they do is that Obama's name is on it.

Lone Laugher

Right about what? The law has yet to be implemented.

Why is it the rws hate it but they don't know that some of it is in effect AND that it is already saving people money and lives?

There's a link to the timeline in my sig. That is, IF you want to find out what the hell you're whining about.

 

[GWV5903]

It should be under attack. Congress and the IRS want to be exempt from this clusterfuck. That tells us everything we need to know. They are the ones that passed it and understand what's in it. And they are running away from it, while at the same time preparing to force it on the rest of us.

Really?

Please post a link to the congress persons and IRS employees who have turned down their tax-funded health care.

Maybe you meant this teepotter yahoo:

GOP frosh: Where's my health care? - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

A conservative Maryland physician elected to Congress on an anti-Obamacare platform surprised fellow freshmen at a Monday orientation session by demanding to know why his government-subsidized health care plan takes a month to kick in.

Republican Andy Harris, an anesthesiologist who defeated freshman Democrat Frank Kratovil on Maryland’s Eastern Shore, reacted incredulously when informed that federal law mandated that his government-subsidized health care policy would take effect on Feb. 1 – 28 days after his Jan. 3rd swearing-in.

Read more: GOP frosh: Where's my health care? - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

Fact is, they love it.

The only reason they don't want the rest of us to have the very same health care coverage they do is that Obama's name is on it.

Lone Laugher

Right about what? The law has yet to be implemented.

Why is it the rws hate it but they don't know that some of it is in effect AND that it is already saving people money and lives?

There's a link to the timeline in my sig. That is, IF you want to find out what the hell you're whining about.

You're too fucking dumb to know any better...

 

[dblack]

It is the GOP's only play. If they can frighten an additional 15-20% of voters about the horrors of this Republican health care plan........they might be able to make some gains in 2014.

There will be some logistical issues and there will be no shortage of false outrage as the law is implemented. You can bet that every glitch will be well publicized by the GOP media outlets.

Those of you who know this and accept it as a means to an end......fuck off.

Those of you who don't know this and really believe the lies, my condolences.

I don't give a rat's ass about your partisan pissing match. PPACA is a corporatist swindle that would have been pushed through by the insurance lobby regardless of which party was in office.

Those of you who know this and accept it as a means to an end ..... fuck off.

Those of you who don't know this and really believe the lies, my condolences.

Mmm-hmm, so it was the insurance lobby that insisted upon a ban on denials for pre-existing conditions, and whipped for the loss of their ability to drop people who become sick? And how aggressive were they about insisting that young adults could stay on their family policy longer, or the increases in medicare eligibility, hmm?

They had a seat at the table no doubt... But insisting that they wrote and insisted upon the whole thing doesn't stand up to the test of reason.

Google Liz Fowler

 

[Antares]

(smile) Poor little troll...I live in your head.

What a pleasant little man you are.....one who knows nothing about the ACA.

It is the GOP's only play. If they can frighten an additional 15-20% of voters about the horrors of this Republican health care plan........they might be able to make some gains in 2014.

There will be some logistical issues and there will be no shortage of false outrage as the law is implemented. You can bet that every glitch will be well publicized by the GOP media outlets.

Those of you who know this and accept it as a means to an end......fuck off.

Those of you who don't know this and really believe the lies, my condolences.

Look who's eager to talk size again. The 5' 8" chubby former HS wrestler.

I am sorry if you are unhappy with the GOP healthcare plan that Obama got passed. I am not satisfied with it either. But.....it is now law. And people will get preventive care and be prevented from going bankrupt due to illness or injury. Just awfull stuff.

Buck up shorty........maybe your grandkids will reach my height? Pray hard on it.

 

[Political Junky]

Cons should love ObamaCare, because it uses private insurance companies.

 

[boedicca]

PJ doesn't grok the difference between free market capitalism and Big Government Cronuyism.

A true Conservative (Classical Liberal) favors the former and is appalled at the latter.

ObamaCare is Big Government Cronyism. It uses the power of government to transfer taxpayer money to large Cronies who donate to Big Government candidates and causes.

 

[healthmyths]

Just take out the mandatory healthcare part and all is good. Keep everything else.

NO one knows what the good / bad parts are because a very very fundamental FLAW present when the bill was passed BUT IGNORED BY EVERYONE!

There are truly less the 5 million people that WANT AND NEED HEALTH INSURANCE!

of the 46 million used to convince by a margin of 6 votes, evidently the majority of Congress didn't know that:
10 million of the 46 million are not citizens per the Census.
14 million are ALREADY covered all they need do is register with Medicaid... that leave 22 million..
18 million people DON"T NEED.. under age 34, DON"T want to spend MORE then they spend now using employers insurance i.e. they spend out of pocket
less the $1,000 a year... SO why are these people counted as "uninsured"? THEY DON"T WANT IT!!!

That leave 4 million!

NOW addressing the cause why they are not insured but want insurance is simple. Premiums are too high!
And why?
90% of physicians say they order duplicate tests, refer to specialists..i.e. $850 billion a year totally unnecessary and all due to FEAR OF LAWSUITS!
Fine... ACA taxed tanning salons 10% as they cause cancer! OK tax the $200 billion lawyers make that has CAUSED THE $850 billion in "Defensive Medicine!
Take the $20 billion and pay the $5,000 premium for the uninsured that when they go to the hospital instead of the hospital padding and passing on to
Medicare sometimes 6,000% overcharges to make up for the uninsured... THEY CAN"T because the "uninsured" claims are paid from the $20 billion a year premiums paid by the tax on lawyers!

It is that simple! NO destruction of our current system.
Obamacare taxed tanning salons why not lawyers?? And for every $100 billion reduction in the $850 billion defensive medicine a percent is reduced from the lawyers' 10% surcharge taxes.

Easily in 3 years... $200 billion a year in reduction of $850 billion defensive medicine costs AND Medicare costs reduced!

 

[Unkotare]

What a pleasant little man you are.....one who knows nothing about the ACA.

It is the GOP's only play. If they can frighten an additional 15-20% of voters about the horrors of this Republican health care plan........they might be able to make some gains in 2014.

There will be some logistical issues and there will be no shortage of false outrage as the law is implemented. You can bet that every glitch will be well publicized by the GOP media outlets.

Those of you who know this and accept it as a means to an end......fuck off.

Those of you who don't know this and really believe the lies, my condolences.

Look who's eager to talk size again. The 5' 8" chubby former HS wrestler.

You didn't make the team, huh?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

It should be under attack. Congress and the IRS want to be exempt from this clusterfuck. That tells us everything we need to know. They are the ones that passed it and understand what's in it. And they are running away from it, while at the same time preparing to force it on the rest of us.

Nobody is 'Exempt from Obamacare,' you fuckwit.

And you wonder why it's so difficult to have an honest discussion about it, while you let your brain absorb and your mouth (well, fingers in this case) repeat every ridiculous rumor you hear. Veracity be damned, as long as it's anti-Obama, out it comes.

Obviously you don't know all the facts as it relates to Obamacare. I hate to make you look foolish but ....

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[ShaklesOfBigGov]

It only took the MSM four fucking years to discover this crap?

Not only on this board, but also on other message boards I am a member of, the conservatives were pointing out the flaws and failures of Obamacare four years ago. The liberals told us we were lying, that we were irrational, that we were crazy, that we were obstructionists, that we were evil, that we hated people and that we were stupid.

Seems us conservatives were right despite the majority of the press spewing their lies to the stupid people.

Right about what? The law has yet to be implemented.

You are reacting to the GOP talking points.....which are primarily unsubstantiated bullshit.

What flaws and failures? Be specific and provide evidence. Other than the fact that is leaves a profit motive in the works, that is.

How about the fact that the original cost projections of Obamacare were inaccurate ....

Obama: “the plan I’m proposing will cost around $900 billion over 10 years.” But with the law’s major provisions set to kick in next year, a new analysis by the Congressional Budget Office projects that the law will cost double that, or $1.8 trillion.

CBO: Obamacare costs double to $1.8 trillion in first decade | Mobile Washington Examiner

 

[Claudette]

Yup. Check out what the CBO says about Obamacare now.

The ACA is going to be anything but affordable. Companies won't hire except for par time because they won't be able to afford full time.

The only winner will be those "subsidized" by we the taxpayer. We will have to cover our own costs as well as they're's.

Affordable my ass and I sure hope the GOP pounds Obamacare on the campaign trail in 2014. Once the taxpayers get a load of what it will cost them personally not to mention the jobs it will cost.

The Dems passed that POS without reading it and I hope it comes back to bite em in the ass big time.

 

[mudwhistle]

obamacare was never about helping Americans. it was always about making the democratic party more powerful and using the irs to their advantage.

Obamacare has always been about government intrusion.

Imagine the IRS telling you how you can conduct your business and preventing you from earning a living.

That is what Obamacare is about. It never was intended to provide affordable health care.

Now that the IRS scandal has hit the news everyone knows just how destructive corruption in government can be.

Scary shit folks.

 

[Nova78]

Yup. Check out what the CBO says about Obamacare now.

The ACA is going to be anything but affordable. Companies won't hire except for par time because they won't be able to afford full time.

The only winner will be those "subsidized" by we the taxpayer. We will have to cover our own costs as well as they're's.

Affordable my ass and I sure hope the GOP pounds Obamacare on the campaign trail in 2014. Once the taxpayers get a load of what it will cost them personally not to mention the jobs it will cost.

The Dems passed that POS without reading it and I hope it comes back to bite em in the ass big time.

"If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until you see what it costs when it's free!"
-- P.J. O'Rourke, The Liberty Manifesto (1993).

 

[dblack]

obamacare was never about helping Americans. it was always about making the democratic party more powerful and using the irs to their advantage.

Obamacare has always been about government intrusion.

Imagine the IRS telling you how you can conduct your business and preventing you from earning a living.

That is what Obamacare is about. It never was intended to provide affordable health care.

Now that the IRS scandal has hit the news everyone knows just how destructive corruption in government can be.

Scary shit folks.

Indeed it is. And, as the cheerleaders seem oddly happy about, it's a global effort. "All the kids are doing it". We're creating nations where the very health of citizens will be under control of the nation state. That'll certainly kwell all the annoying 'civil disobedience' and keep us all in line as obedient soldiers and compliant consumers. Which, for the people pulling the strings, is the point.

 

[healthmyths]

It only took the MSM four fucking years to discover this crap?

Not only on this board, but also on other message boards I am a member of, the conservatives were pointing out the flaws and failures of Obamacare four years ago. The liberals told us we were lying, that we were irrational, that we were crazy, that we were obstructionists, that we were evil, that we hated people and that we were stupid.

Seems us conservatives were right despite the majority of the press spewing their lies to the stupid people.

Right about what? The law has yet to be implemented.

You are reacting to the GOP talking points.....which are primarily unsubstantiated bullshit.

What flaws and failures? Be specific and provide evidence. Other than the fact that is leaves a profit motive in the works, that is.

How about the fact that the original cost projections of Obamacare were inaccurate ....

Obama: “the plan I’m proposing will cost around $900 billion over 10 years.” But with the law’s major provisions set to kick in next year, a new analysis by the Congressional Budget Office projects that the law will cost double that, or $1.8 trillion.

CBO: Obamacare costs double to $1.8 trillion in first decade | Mobile Washington Examiner

An even more FUNDAMENTAL flaw is the oft repeated Obama statement "46 million uninsured"... BIG ASS LIE!

18 million people under 34 and making over $50,000 a year spend less then their employers' health plan..i.e. $1,000 a year BUT OBAMA phony number includes
people that don't WANT health insurance BECAUSE HE KNOWS BETTER then they do!!!

14 million people Obama EVIDENTLY didn't know about are covered by Medicaid...all they have to do is sign up!

10 million are not citizens!

42 million either don't want, don't know or don't qualify leaving
4 million that truly need health insurance coverage!

I don't understand why people aren't more outraged and even stupid conservatives believe that 46 million number!
Simple solution.. tax lawyers like Obamacare taxes tanning salons!
$20 billion a year in taxes pay a $5,000 policy for each of the "4 million" that want insurance!
This tax would reduce for every $100 billion in reduction of the $850 billion a year physicians say they spend simply out of fear of lawsuits!
This would also prevent hospitals from 6,000% markups on services they charge Medicare as they won't need to recover "uninsured" expenses.
Another $100 billion a year in savings between Hospitals no longer charging 6,000% markups and physicians not ordering duplicate tests out of fear of lawsuits!

 

[lynn63]

How is Obamacare saving lives? The fact is if you are between the ages of 50 -64 years old and find yourself layed off and with no insurance, you won't be able to qualify for Medicaid since now you have no income.

The government doesn't want to pay for this age bracket anymore than the insurance companies don't want to insure them. This age bracket is the last of the baby boomers and they would like nothing better if most of them died before reaching 65. That is a fact!

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The reason Obamacare has had such problems is it is unconstitutional and it is highly unethical. That is the bottom line. Much of Obamacare is not in written form yet for a reason. They don't want you to know. When they are instructing Doctors in their Obamacare seminars and the instructions do not have a paper trail attached? Obama can get away with so much more. How's that transparency thing working out for everyone so far? - J.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

How is Obamacare saving lives? The fact is if you are between the ages of 50 -64 years old and find yourself layed off and with no insurance, you won't be able to qualify for Medicaid since now you have no income.

The government doesn't want to pay for this age bracket anymore than the insurance companies don't want to insure them. This age bracket is the last of the baby boomers and they would like nothing better if most of them died before reaching 65. That is a fact!

Lynn, if you are not between the ages of 15 - 45 you don't produce for the State and therefore are of no benefit to the USSA. You are expendable from 0-15 and anyone over age 45? Same thing - you are expendable. I have a friend in Europe who can no longer get care because he has Diabetes II. They turned him over to LPC which is the European model of death care. When did they do that? When he turned 46 yrs old of course.

Go have a look at Complete Lives Systems and you'll understand that the Doctor who designed the complete lives Systems had his plan approved by Obama and that is what the American people are in for. - Jeri

 

[healthmyths]

How is Obamacare saving lives? The fact is if you are between the ages of 50 -64 years old and find yourself layed off and with no insurance, you won't be able to qualify for Medicaid since now you have no income.

The government doesn't want to pay for this age bracket anymore than the insurance companies don't want to insure them. This age bracket is the last of the baby boomers and they would like nothing better if most of them died before reaching 65. That is a fact!

That is a good point! AND the above are probably part of the 4 million that are truly in need of health insurance !

This means it is even more important that lawyers like tanning salons should pay 10% surcharge tax and that $20 billion would provide
a $5,000 policy for each of the uninsured!
All they have to do is go to hospital. Hospital registers them and gives them their card!
Now when those 4 million uninsured have claims filed... hospitals don't pad and pass on the costs to Medicare but sends claims to the
Uninsured Health Insurance Co.©.
As a result those "uninsured" are covered.
Lawyers don't file frivolous lawsuits which physicians attest add 20% to 34% to health care costs because of fear of lawsuits!
This $850 billion in defensive medicine practices are paid for by insurance/medicare and people out of pocket!

So because idiots didn't use real numbers i.e. regarding uninsured.. we have this bigger mess now growing everyday!

It is shear idiocy to try to solve a problem without KNOWING how big the problem is! Any one who says there are 46 million uninsured that will be covered under Obamacare is just stupid!

So I agreed with you why don't you comment then on my solution??? Why do people want to protect millionaire ambulance chasers while
they persecute tanning salons? Both cost all of us money just one group at least $850 billion more a year then necessary!