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Ahh, the old "it's not OUR fault that your kid is stupid after we waste the entire day on multiculturalism, political correctness, and empty self-esteem-building. It's YOUR fault for not doing our job after coming home from yours!" argument.
It's always ironic to me that the same people who insist that the failure of our education system rests with a lack of parental involvement are the same ones who are outraged and bewildered by the idea that parents should be involved enough to actually choose which school their children attend.
I'm all for reforming the public school system.
Vouchers?
Not so much.
exactlyThe NEA will not allow that to happen.
Neither will Barack Obama and his acolytes, all of whom receive donations from the NEA.
The NEA will not allow that to happen.
Sorry, I have no idea what you are saying here.
Yeah, I don't see that problem.
Once again, the Obama's can afford to send their kids to a better private school. Others can't and their kids go to public school.
So what?
Does everyone who goes to public school end up working a fryolater? Or maybe, just maybe, those students who take their education seriously and get good grades end up succeeding ... and those who don't will struggle more through life.
Whatever ...
Yeah, how looney of me it is to suggest that parents know what is going on in their kid's lives and ensuring that they are getting their homework done and are prepared to take those mid-terms or have actually read the book that was assigned to them in English class.
Silly me.
Then you have no business trying to discuss this topic, because you don't even begin to understand the issue.
Let me draw you a picture. And take notes, because I rarely have the patience to do this for anyone who comes to the debate without their homework done.
1) America's public school systems pretty much uniformly offer substandard academic education in every subject, in every state. Our students consistently underperform students from around the world in math, science, pick your topic. We graduate - GRADUATE! - students who can't find their own country on a world map or pick their own Vice President out of a lineup.
2) Everyone knows that this is not just a problem, but an open national scandal. The prospective reformers point to a laundry list as long as your arm of problems and mismanagement, the NEA counters by saying they can't possibly be expected to actually produce results all by their lonesome and point fingers at the parents and demand more money to continue doing exactly what they're doing, and the people who can afford to take their kids and flee in droves to the private schools or homeschooling. Meanwhile, the majority of Americans are trapped, with no option but to try to ride this dead horse and wring some sort of useful education out of a desperately broken system for their children.
3) People who support vouchers - many of whom are poor minorities who can't afford to send their children to private school or homeschool or pick up and move to a better school's district - do so because they want the option of using the money that is ALREADY BEING SPENT to educate their children for the purpose of actually educating their children. They are already paying for an education they aren't getting. All they want is to take that money and shop somewhere else, the same way they would with any other commodity.
4) Barack Obama, along with the Democrat Party and his ardent supporters, vigorously defends and supports the public school system, despite its manifest and ongoing failure, insists that it's plenty good enough for the nation's children and that we should just let him tinker with it a little, and strenuously opposes any hint of allowing parents to decide for themselves which schools should be paid to educate their children. Meanwhile, he himself does not choose to avail himself of the public school system he wants everyone else to make do with.
Oh, he also doesn't like homeschooling.
I hope this helps to bring you up to speed, and results in a marked improvement in your contributions to the conversation.
Once again, that whole "I work and make more money, so OF COURSE I can afford to have better service than others" argument doesn't work with Obama or other leftists on any other subject.
And no one is asking for the entire nation to be able to send its children to Sidwell Friends. We're just asking to have a choice and some control over our children's educations.
Does everyone who goes to public school end up working in fast food? No, but virtually everyone who attends public school in America DOES end up being less educated and less able to compete in the international market with students from other countries, who vastly outperform us.
So you're telling us that the vast majority of high school graduates in the US who are standing there, clutching their new diplomas in their hot little hands and unable to tell you which rights are actually enumerated in the Bill of Rights just weren't applying themselves and caring about their educations? Then how the hell did they graduate? Are you seriously suggesting that kids who not only graduate but do so with grades high enough to make it into college and then have to take remedial courses to learn the stuff they SHOULD have learned in high school just weren't working and trying? Then, again, how the HELL did they graduate?
I'd like to say this is a nice try at diversion and avoidance, but it really wasn't.
If you can't address the point, don't pretend to even answer the post.
Ahh, the old "it's not OUR fault that your kid is stupid after we waste the entire day on multiculturalism, political correctness, and empty self-esteem-building. It's YOUR fault for not doing our job after coming home from yours!" argument.
It's always ironic to me that the same people who insist that the failure of our education system rests with a lack of parental involvement are the same ones who are outraged and bewildered by the idea that parents should be involved enough to actually choose which school their children attend.
No, your statement was a bunch of unclear jarble which is why I didn't understand it.
Sorry, I just don't see it that way.
I think that sending a check out to people wont solve the problems.
I believe that the "better" private schools will merely increase their tuition rates and keep the hierarchy the way it is.
I also don't want tax dollars spent to send children to parochial schools as jillian alluded to earlier in the thread.
What I am telling you is that if standards and requirements are increased and parents make sure their kids are getting the work done then our children wont be coming out of high school so woefully unprepared for college.
You have plenty of control over your kids education. It's called getting involved.
You should see what they say when the parents are so upset with the school district, they decide to homeschool their kids.
vouchers would be one way to go about the reformI'm all for reforming the public school system.
Vouchers?
Not so much.
i saw that, it was a disgusting thing to sayYou should see what they say when the parents are so upset with the school district, they decide to homeschool their kids.
Well, I'm here and I would love to fix it. You're just in serious trouble any time you put yourself in a position of needing efficiency and competent achievement from the government.
Seen it. I homeschool myself. Apparently, I am single-handedly bringing about the destruction of our nation's educational infrastructure, not to mention raising my child to be the next Unabomber.
vouchers would be one way to go about the reform
just because parents would choose where to send their kids to school, doesnt mean it wouldnt be another public school system that was doing a better job at educating the kids than the one that was local
And what of all those city renters?
As a fellow homeschooler, I understand.
BTW, people like Joy Behar is perpetuating the myth that homeschoolers are "demented" and unsocialized. I do not watch the View, but her remarks were sent to me by other homeschoolers. Joy Behar is so uninformed about the world, she was previously fired from a radio talk show in New York.
