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That link needs repeating.21 graphs that show America?s health-care prices are ludicrous - The Washington Post
Again, please note the countries used for comparison.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wo...are-ludicrous/
This link illustrates a mental flaw in the way right wingers think. The information in this link is clear and unequivocal, yet the wing nuts on this thread will ignore it and the facts it presents. It illustrates the way wing nuts think:
I KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED BY FACTS OR THE TRUTH!!!
Would you rather have your operation done in the US or in South Africa? Pay up.
Someone needs to ask Jay Carney this question! what happens when Americans start dropping like flies come 2014 when they either can't get an appt., can't find the right doctor, waiting in a crowded ER, die over a misdiagnosis, etc.
Actually, someone needs to ask that of Barry, but he wont take any questions regarding this debacle ever!
Can you imagine if this horrific scenario happens next year and "You Know Who" still wont repeal it?
What will be more interesting is how the right spins it. The have had a campaign of lies and misinformation right from the start. Remember the famous Death Panels and "Obama wants to kill granny." It has been one lie after another from the right which is why I no longer hear them or pay attention to their claims.once that first story hits the media, lets see how the left spins it. "well, ahh, she was gonna die anyway".
Someone needs to ask Jay Carney this question! what happens when Americans start dropping like flies come 2014 when they either can't get an appt., can't find the right doctor, waiting in a crowded ER, die over a misdiagnosis, etc.
Actually, someone needs to ask that of Barry, but he wont take any questions regarding this debacle ever!
Can you imagine if this horrific scenario happens next year and "You Know Who" still wont repeal it?
Why do you think there is a finite number of doctors?
If the market opens up with more patients who can pay, Doctors will come to fill the void
Why do you think there is a finite number of doctors?
If the market opens up with more patients who can pay, Doctors will come to fill the void
It has been reported on the news numerous times that many present Drs. are opting for early retirement due to Obamacare and more Drs. are not taking Medicare patients because they actually only make 17 cents on the dollar now with Obamacare.
Yes, there will be more patients, just not enough doctors. It takes 7 years to train a doctor.
That link needs repeating.a lie
21 graphs that show America?s health-care prices are ludicrous - The Washington Post
Again, please note the countries used for comparison.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wo...are-ludicrous/
This link illustrates a mental flaw in the way right wingers think. The information in this link is clear and unequivocal, yet the wing nuts on this thread will ignore it and the facts it presents. It illustrates the way wing nuts think:
I KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED BY FACTS OR THE TRUTH!!!
That link needs repeating.21 graphs that show America?s health-care prices are ludicrous - The Washington Post
Again, please note the countries used for comparison.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wo...are-ludicrous/
This link illustrates a mental flaw in the way right wingers think. The information in this link is clear and unequivocal, yet the wing nuts on this thread will ignore it and the facts it presents. It illustrates the way wing nuts think:
I KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED BY FACTS OR THE TRUTH!!!
this is what needs repeating.....you lefties are DIMwits....saps and suckers......
exactly WHY do you think prices are lower in those other countries....????
it's called PRICE FIXING.....
dumbasses...
A surplus of 34,000 nurse practitioners, about 48% above demand, and 4,000 surplus physician assistants will help relieve the doctor shortage
That link needs repeating.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wo...are-ludicrous/
This link illustrates a mental flaw in the way right wingers think. The information in this link is clear and unequivocal, yet the wing nuts on this thread will ignore it and the facts it presents. It illustrates the way wing nuts think:
I KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED BY FACTS OR THE TRUTH!!!
this is what needs repeating.....you lefties are DIMwits....saps and suckers......
exactly WHY do you think prices are lower in those other countries....????
it's called PRICE FIXING.....
dumbasses...
We pay more for our drugs and medical care than anywhere else in the world. We don't get our moneys worth
Screaming, I provided lots of information indicating why costs are less in other countries.
Care to provide some legitimate documentation to support your claim?
Not saying you are wrong... But independent verification would bolster your stance.
And, if price fixing is how other countries do it.... We need to analyze that aspect. Afterall, since other countries spend less with better outcomes.... We might be able to learn from them.
many countries that have tried socialized medicine are now turning to the free market to improve their systems.....in fact many of the European countries in your report....“Other countries negotiate very aggressively with the providers and set rates that are much lower than we do,” Anderson says. They do this in one of two ways. In countries such as Canada and Britain, prices are set by the government. In others, such as Germany and Japan, they’re set by providers and insurers sitting in a room and coming to an agreement, with the government stepping in to set prices if they fail.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-mri-costs-1080-in-america-and-280-in-france/
When I have a medical problem, I expect to see a doctor, not a nurse or an assistant. This is not going to go well.
From the above link:
A surplus of 34,000 nurse practitioners, about 48% above demand, and 4,000 surplus physician assistants will help relieve the doctor shortage
Screaming, I provided lots of information indicating why costs are less in other countries.
Care to provide some legitimate documentation to support your claim?
Not saying you are wrong... But independent verification would bolster your stance.
And, if price fixing is how other countries do it.... We need to analyze that aspect. Afterall, since other countries spend less with better outcomes.... We might be able to learn from them.
what you can learn from them is that socialized medicine eventually produces bad results...
there is plenty of 'documentation' if you just go out there and look...
from your own links....
many countries that have tried socialized medicine are now turning to the free market to improve their systems.....in fact many of the European countries in your report....Other countries negotiate very aggressively with the providers and set rates that are much lower than we do, Anderson says. They do this in one of two ways. In countries such as Canada and Britain, prices are set by the government. In others, such as Germany and Japan, theyre set by providers and insurers sitting in a room and coming to an agreement, with the government stepping in to set prices if they fail.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-mri-costs-1080-in-america-and-280-in-france/
So, what is your solution? To keep doctor's from retiring we should just let people die who cannot afford the doctor? And yes, they can go to the emergency room IF there is an emergency but emergency rooms ONLY handle emergencies. As soon as the person is stablized, out they go. This does not work very well for people with heart problems, high blood pressure, diabetes, and a host of other problems that need to be monitered and treated over time.Why do you think there is a finite number of doctors?
If the market opens up with more patients who can pay, Doctors will come to fill the void
It has been reported on the news numerous times that many present Drs. are opting for early retirement due to Obamacare and more Drs. are not taking Medicare patients because they actually only make 17 cents on the dollar now with Obamacare.
Yes, there will be more patients, just not enough doctors. It takes 7 years to train a doctor.
When I have a medical problem, I expect to see a doctor, not a nurse or an assistant. This is not going to go well.
From the above link:
A surplus of 34,000 nurse practitioners, about 48% above demand, and 4,000 surplus physician assistants will help relieve the doctor shortage
I have no doubt that there are good doctors in South Africa who are every bit as good as those in the US. That said, I would prefer my operation done in the US for convenience. Further, many people are now going overseas to have operations. By the time they pay their deductable they can fly to Europe or China, have the operation, and save several thousand dollars in the process.That link needs repeating.21 graphs that show America?s health-care prices are ludicrous - The Washington Post
Again, please note the countries used for comparison.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wo...are-ludicrous/
This link illustrates a mental flaw in the way right wingers think. The information in this link is clear and unequivocal, yet the wing nuts on this thread will ignore it and the facts it presents. It illustrates the way wing nuts think:
I KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED BY FACTS OR THE TRUTH!!!
Would you rather have your operation done in the US or in South Africa? Pay up.
