Obama's REALLY GOOD DAY.

[Uncensored2008]

Sigh. It must be a sad life when all you see is people who love Obama and people who loathe Obama and nothing in between.

Most people are in between.

You however, are not.

If you think what I do is worship him, then you really, really need to get some reading glasses.

Have you read any of your posts, per chance?

Oh, great, now calling him a fascist. Jeez, you really have issues.

You have very little education, I see.

You don't have a single ounce of reality in this post.

I hear you!

You just take in all the nonsense that is spread around to keep you in your place, you do as your are told, you get taken for a ride, and you will be happy about it, because they'll even tell you that you're happy about it.

Maybe, when you actually read what I write, we can talk again, until then.....

You are a mindless sycophant, reciting talking points from the hate sites like KOS and ThinkProgress. You don't know what Fascism is, you don't grasp Marxism, yet you bristle with rage that any should dare point out that the programs of your little tin god are consistent with goals and methods from these systems.

 

[Meister]

So did Obamacare end up covering those 30-48 million who were previously uninsured?

If not, it sounds like a failure and more like a wealth distribution and a government overstep.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So did Obamacare end up covering those 30-48 million who were previously uninsured?

Less than 1 million.

The Rand group places the number at 858K

If not, it sounds like a failure and more like a wealth distribution and a government overstep.

Unless the goal was to drive 7 million people OFF of their medical plans - in which case Fascist Care is a RAGING success.

 

[Sallow]

So did Obamacare end up covering those 30-48 million who were previously uninsured?

If not, it sounds like a failure and more like a wealth distribution and a government overstep.

It was never meant to cover that many people in such a short period of time.

This was suppose to be phased in.

Didn't you know that?

 

[auditor0007]

After the good news came back that ObamaCare had hit it's numbers, President Barack Obama, the popularly elected President of the United States and Commander in Chief of the United States Military did, what he should have been doing on many occasions.

He took a victory lap.

Obama to speak on health law enrollment - POLITICO.com

‘Armageddon has not arrived'

This is on the heels of a stock market which is up, corporate profits, which are up, the Unemployment Numbers, which are down and a MONTH of no military deaths due to combat.

Conservatives had a strange reaction to this..

Ryan released a budget which most everyone is calling ludicrous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/us/politics/paul-ryan-budget.html?_r=0

And the Heritage foundation started a conservative outreach to women that plainly states, "Just get married".

Dana Milbank: Conservatives to women: Lean back - The Washington Post

This is probably a huge turning point. I hope Democrats capitalize on it and kick the bums out of congress..

The point of Obama's good day is not to say that the ACA is the greatest thing since sliced bread but to show that it is workable and may well be effective at reducing long term healthcare costs. At the same time, it must be realized that there are issues that need to be addressed.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It was never meant to cover that many people in such a short period of time.

This was suppose to be phased in.

Didn't you know that?

So, was it meant to cancel the plans of those already covered, and force them onto more expensive plans?

Because you Obamunists are claiming that this outcome is some sort of victory.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The point of Obama's good day is not to say that the ACA is the greatest thing since sliced bread but to show that it is workable and may well be effective at reducing long term healthcare costs. At the same time, it must be realized that there are issues that need to be addressed.

Significantly increasing the health care costs of 7 million Americans is "workable?"

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Maybe I missed it, but I am not recalling seeing many conservatives taking the position that ObumblerCare is incapable of benefiting SOME people.

It almost surely WOULD benefit (and is benefiting) SOME folks.

The question remains: at what "cost?"

It is a VERY largely despised imposition of raw government (abuse of) power directed at all of us.

Although it might help SOME people, it does so at the expense of many many others. Yeah yea. Reid will claim that this is just a Koch Brothers' "lie" except that it isn't a lie at all.

And it is very much a product of socialist thinking. Government doesn't provide diddly shit since government's money is really the money it takes from all of the people. Thus, what ObumblerCare amounts to is the imposition of significant ADDITIONAL costs on ALL actual taxpayers to benefit the relative few. It comes complete with significant additional costs, massive red tape and it is also going to quickly prove destructive of the health care delivery "system" that was already in place.

It is predicated on notions of governmental authority that are VERY much at odds with the Constitutional limitations under which our Republic is supposed to operate. And the SCOTUS decision approving that absurdity is itself an abandonment of Constitutional limitations.

So, yeah. For SOME people ObumblerCare will prove to be a boon. But it is still entirely wrong and it is a clusterfuck of governmental meddling that all of us will quickly regret.

It cannot be repealed in its totality soon enough. Sadly, such a full-fledged repeal of ObumblerCare cannot happen that rapidly. Too bad. Seriously. Too bad.

 

[Meister]

We could have paid for healthcare to those directly who didn't have healthcare and saved a trillion dollars.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Alfred E. Neuman

Alfred E. Obumbler

 

[Freewill]

A) I'm not defending Obama.

Yeah, you're more worshiping him with a fervor that makes Al Qaeda look rational...

Obama Akbar....



Yep, Obama is a Fascist through and through. Obammycare is the merger of federal and corporate power structures, with the IRS (KGB) acting as literal enforcer and collection agent for well connected looters like Blue Cross and Kaiser.



Really?

I more see you lying and defending liars. Seems you are a mindless sycophant who defines "truth" as that which serves the party.



Old fish can stink...

you don't need to call Obama a Communist, just equating him with Communism is enough, even if you don't say it.

Obama is a collectivist - that is a fact. He seeks to concentrate control over the means of production into the central authority of the federal governent.

What word have you drones been programmed to bleat to describe that?

Sigh. It must be a sad life when all you see is people who love Obama and people who loathe Obama and nothing in between.

If you think what I do is worship him, then you really, really need to get some reading glasses.

Oh, great, now calling him a fascist. Jeez, you really have issues.

You don't have a single ounce of reality in this post.

You just take in all the nonsense that is spread around to keep you in your place, you do as your are told, you get taken for a ride, and you will be happy about it, because they'll even tell you that you're happy about it.

Maybe, when you actually read what I write, we can talk again, until then.....

I am in between. I don't loathe him I don't know him. I loathe a lot of what he says and does but him, not so much. Michelle she can be a bit too much to take.

 

[Sallow]

It was never meant to cover that many people in such a short period of time.

This was suppose to be phased in.

Didn't you know that?

So, was it meant to cancel the plans of those already covered, and force them onto more expensive plans?

Because you Obamunists are claiming that this outcome is some sort of victory.

A majority of those plans were cobbled together after the law was signed in..Theocrat.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The question remains: at what "cost?"

Oh goodie, another person claiming it's about the cost.

The US spends DOUBLE your GDP on healthcare than the UK.

The US spend DOUBLE you spending on administration than Canada (16% to 30 something %)

The corruption is immense, the bureaucracy is immense, the system before Obamacare is MASSIVE, and that was with 15% of people not being able to use it at all.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/mspar...lobal Report on Corruption--2006--pp16-22.pdf

"Corruption in health care systems: the US experience"

U.S. health care is a 'subtle form of corruption' says leading cancer doctor | MinnPost

But people complain about how much Obamacare costs, and yet have never, ever lifted a finger or raised a voice at the cost of healthcare before, just allowing it to be over priced and full of corruption.

Me thinks people just don't like the Obama part to it, nor that big companies with lots of money are telling them it's bad and they believe everything they say. Then go to mcdonalds and eat an inferior burger for more money with a cola instead of a proper drink because "hey, this is advertising".

 

[Meister]

The question remains: at what "cost?"

Oh goodie, another person claiming it's about the cost.

The US spends DOUBLE your GDP on healthcare than the UK.

The US spend DOUBLE you spending on administration than Canada (16% to 30 something %)

The corruption is immense, the bureaucracy is immense, the system before Obamacare is MASSIVE, and that was with 15% of people not being able to use it at all.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/mspar...lobal Report on Corruption--2006--pp16-22.pdf

"Corruption in health care systems: the US experience"

U.S. health care is a 'subtle form of corruption' says leading cancer doctor | MinnPost

But people complain about how much Obamacare costs, and yet have never, ever lifted a finger or raised a voice at the cost of healthcare before, just allowing it to be over priced and full of corruption.

Me thinks people just don't like the Obama part to it, nor that big companies with lots of money are telling them it's bad and they believe everything they say. Then go to mcdonalds and eat an inferior burger for more money with a cola instead of a proper drink because "hey, this is advertising".

And, when all said and done after spending a trillion+ there's going to be the 15% who won't have insurance. Go figure.....

 

[Stephanie]

7 million signed up on the Federal exchange...that number does not include state exchange enrollments. 9 million more people have health care thanks to the Affordable Care Act. Oh, and those people you are talking about didn't "lose" their insurance...they still have and can get insurance...what they lost was their Pinto that exploded when it was rear ended. Cars still drive the roads.

23% who didn't have insurance now do.....that number in itself is a failure.
This bill was packaged to insure the uninsured and for the most part it was a dismal failure.

This Bill was to insure the uninsured at the expense of the already insured, shifting the burden from government to us.

Yep, but so many are too stupid to see it and sit here and cheer it and thank g-d for Obama...some sick stuff

 

[frigidweirdo]

And, when all said and done after spending a trillion+ there's going to be the 15% who won't have insurance. Go figure.....

Got to love that "there's nothing that can change anything, so better not try to solve any problems" sort of view.

 

[Meister]

And, when all said and done after spending a trillion+ there's going to be the 15% who won't have insurance. Go figure.....

Got to love that "there's nothing that can change anything, so better not try to solve any problems" sort of view.

It is what it is, dude. The only thing different is that we have a government mandating us, taxing, and penalizing on the way to a complete government take over of an industry.

If the government "really" wanted to change the system, they could have done it with incentives to the healthcare industry and reached a far better outcome than what this debacle ended up to be.
But, that wasn't the intent of the government, the intent was the redistribution of the wealth.

 

[Papageorgio]

It amazes me that people think ObamaCare is a good thing.

At least 5 maybe 6 million people lose their coverage.
Then 7 million sign up...
But there were 48 million that needed it and have not signed up.

So the bottom line is we have a law that's over 2 thousand pages and all the craziness we went through....all that to insure a few million people....

And Obama and the Democrats are doing a victory dance?

This is beyond crazy...

7 million signed up on the Federal exchange...that number does not include state exchange enrollments. 9 million more people have health care thanks to the Affordable Care Act. Oh, and those people you are talking about didn't "lose" their insurance...they still have and can get insurance...what they lost was their Pinto that exploded when it was rear ended. Cars still drive the roads.

Depends on the state you live in, in Washington state for example, you were not allowed to keep the old coverage, it is gone. Many insurance companies did away with the old coverage before the President said you can keep them, which was illegal for him to do. I lost my insurance and my wife and I pay $500 a month more than we did with the cancelled insurance.

I get new insurance but it costs me a lot more.

I'm ready to drop it, take my yearly physical and pay it myself, and pay the penalty, far less expensive that way.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

The question remains: at what "cost?"

Oh goodie, another person claiming it's about the cost.

The US spends DOUBLE your GDP on healthcare than the UK.

The US spend DOUBLE you spending on administration than Canada (16% to 30 something %)

The corruption is immense, the bureaucracy is immense, the system before Obamacare is MASSIVE, and that was with 15% of people not being able to use it at all.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/mspar...lobal Report on Corruption--2006--pp16-22.pdf

"Corruption in health care systems: the US experience"

U.S. health care is a 'subtle form of corruption' says leading cancer doctor | MinnPost

But people complain about how much Obamacare costs, and yet have never, ever lifted a finger or raised a voice at the cost of healthcare before, just allowing it to be over priced and full of corruption.

Me thinks people just don't like the Obama part to it, nor that big companies with lots of money are telling them it's bad and they believe everything they say. Then go to mcdonalds and eat an inferior burger for more money with a cola instead of a proper drink because "hey, this is advertising".

Since many of you lolberals appear to lack even rudimentary comprehension skills, I'll deign to spell it out for you:

"Cost" means MORE than just dollars and cents.

GO ask an adult to assist you in grappling with this non-mystery.

 

[Sallow]

The question remains: at what "cost?"

Oh goodie, another person claiming it's about the cost.

The US spends DOUBLE your GDP on healthcare than the UK.

The US spend DOUBLE you spending on administration than Canada (16% to 30 something %)

The corruption is immense, the bureaucracy is immense, the system before Obamacare is MASSIVE, and that was with 15% of people not being able to use it at all.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/mspar...lobal Report on Corruption--2006--pp16-22.pdf

"Corruption in health care systems: the US experience"

U.S. health care is a 'subtle form of corruption' says leading cancer doctor | MinnPost

But people complain about how much Obamacare costs, and yet have never, ever lifted a finger or raised a voice at the cost of healthcare before, just allowing it to be over priced and full of corruption.

Me thinks people just don't like the Obama part to it, nor that big companies with lots of money are telling them it's bad and they believe everything they say. Then go to mcdonalds and eat an inferior burger for more money with a cola instead of a proper drink because "hey, this is advertising".

And, when all said and done after spending a trillion+ there's going to be the 15% who won't have insurance. Go figure.....

And that's not the case.

Go figure.