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Of course i did, liar.That's not what you did
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Of course i did, liar.That's not what you did
Haha, you think its impossible to answer?Impossible to answer.
Haha, you think its impossible to answer?Impossible to answer.
You know, its actually not, and the answer is data that can be looked up, right?
I know youre the master of the pussy copout, but this one os pretty hilarious. Okay, slippery one, lets smoke you out of your hole.
They are handling dar more deaths than normal. Thats a fact. Dispute it if you like. We could all use a good laugh.
No you didnt. You in no way exlained why a larger volume of deaths than normal is flawed data.data is flawed, and I explained why in few earlier posts.
They told him so, so he believes cause he’s a sheepYes.
If we have an out of control epidemic, we should be warry.
Fortunately all we are dealing with the Corona. The only issue there is the panic created by our fearless know-nothings.
Not just panic, problem are also accurate counts for infected and for causes of deaths.
My first neighbor works at the hospital and she sees problems with tests and results they're getting. So I wrote down few terms and notes, and try to make sense from what she said and what I found out. Well, she's not top specialist, but she works with them, and to me she damn right looks like she knows what she's talking about. Since I am in Michigan, I hope I won't be arrested for socializing with neighbors.
To test for corona virus, they're using something called RT-PCR, you can read about it here. What's wrong with the test is that is not looking for corona virus directly, but for presence of certain strain of RNA, and since it's believed that corona virus is an RNA virus, there is certain RNA wrapped in proteins. Where it goes from there... they are assuming that if that RNA can be detected, than patient must have corona virus. It's assumption, not certainty, and that's fallacy, because there is nothing to prove that RNA that show positive test did not come from some other source, like bacteria, fungi, or patient's other cells.
That's why there is big question about legitimacy of confirmed cases of corona virus. While it's true that RNA could've come from corona virus, it could have come from tons of other sources unrelated to corona virus. Now, how to actually prove someone has corona virus for real, what would be proper procedure? Well, that something called purification... way I understood it is, they need to find exact RNA protein structure of corona virus, purify it, then extract RNA from the structure that match original RNA found in Wuhan, and only if those are the match, than person has corona virus.
Since they're not doing that, there is no actual proof of the corona virus itself, just proof of presence of RNA that could come from various/different sources. Regardless of suspect nature of their declared number of "confirmed" cases, the possibility of confirming the corona virus is not achievable with current testing kits.
The fact that people are having to be buried in mass graves in New York City do to the bodies stacking up outside of hospitals is all the proof you need about how dangerous and devastating this pandemic is. When was the last time New York City was forced to use mass graves to bury people do to the sudden surge of deaths?
Mass graves? Linky?
Tell me something, when you can't have burials, and when bodies cannot be released to families or funeral homes, what do you do with them? You think those bodies in tailors are just COVID deaths?
You have fking no idea of any body countsNo you didnt. You in no way exlained why a larger volume of deaths than normal is flawed data.data is flawed, and I explained why in few earlier posts.
Dude, this is pointless. You cant even follow a simple english discussion. Trump has turned your brain to tapioca.
Dumbfuck.... nearly 22,000 in the U.S. ...You have fking no idea of any body countsNo you didnt. You in no way exlained why a larger volume of deaths than normal is flawed data.data is flawed, and I explained why in few earlier posts.
Dude, this is pointless. You cant even follow a simple english discussion. Trump has turned your brain to tapioca.
Good informationWill you accept a temperature check and throat swab?
The bad news may be that vaccines won't work against this virus. I certainly don't want this guy as a researcher.
"The novel coronavirus can stow away in your throat without you knowing it, and every time you cough you’re broadsiding the people around you with the virus. To stay healthy and contain SARS-CoV-2, stay home and keep your distance.
Population-wide efforts to control coronavirus might not be so straightforward, however. The coronavirus is a clever, elusive, and tough little pathogen that could defy normal vaccines.
Those are two of the main takeaways from an important new study by a team of 18 scientists in Germany.
Working in two separate laboratories, the scientists carefully studied the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in the bodies of nine patients, taking daily measurements in order to understand each phase of the infection.
The team completed its study in early March and, published its findings in the journal Nature this month. “Active virus-replication in the upper respiratory tract puts the prospects of COVID-19 containment in perspective,” the scientists wrote.
Close observers of coronavirus studies hailed the German team’s work. There’s “huge news” in the Nature paper, David Ostrov, a professor in the Department of Pathology, Immunology and Laboratory Medicine at the University of Florida College of Medicine, told The Daily Beast.
Some of the news is good.
SARS-CoV-2 starts replicating in the throat, not the lungs. For that reason, a simple throat swab is enough to test for the virus. There’s probably no need for an intrusive, unpleasant nasal swab.
The virus mostly spreads from people coughing on each other. It’s a lot less likely that you’ll catch the coronavirus by touching the same touchpad or toilet handle as an infected person.
It’s probably safe for a hospital to release a COVID-19 patient 10 days after they start showing symptoms.
There’s bad news in the German study, too.
The antibodies our bodies produce in response to COVID-19 infection don’t actually destroy this virus. In that way, it is a lot like HIV.
That has implications for the high-stakes global effort to develop vaccines and other treatments.
Besides containing important takeaways for doctors, scientists, and the public, the German study also tells a story. One that helps to make sense of the pandemic.
Peter Kolchinsky, a virologist and biotech investor, summed up the Nature paper on Twitter. The study, he wrote, “reveals a remarkable trick SARS-CoV-2 learned that makes it nastier than the first SARS,” which killed nearly 800 people during an outbreak in 2003.
Viruses access our cells by interfacing with particular proteins. Once inside, they hijack our cells’ own mechanisms in order to make copies of themselves. When that happens, our bodies sometimes panic, mobilizing a powerful immune response that can go too far… and make us sick or even kill us.
It turns out, SARS-CoV-2 prefers a spiky protein called ACE2.
“Think of it as a particular doorknob that the virus knows how to turn,” Kolchinsky explained in his summary of the German paper.
We’ve got a lot of those ACE2 proteins in our throats, which are great places for a virus to hide out, replicate, and get ready to spread.
From the throat, the pathogen can spread inward to the lungs, where it becomes a lot more dangerous to the host. And with each cough it projects outward into the world. All without us even knowing it’s there.
Beating the coronavirus pandemic requires people to block the virus’ preferred method of travel—coughs—before they even know they have it. “There’s an evil genius to viruses that never ceases to amaze me,” Kolchinsky wrote.
Ostrov for his part focused on the German team’s findings on antibodies, which our bodies produce via a process called “seroconversion.”
“When aligned to viral load courses, it seems there is no abrupt virus elimination at the time of seroconversion,” the scientists wrote. “Rather, seroconversion early in week two coincides with a slow but steady decline of sputum viral load.”
“This means that the antibodies are not effective at clearing the virus,” Ostrov told The Daily Beast. “This is relevant when thinking about viruses and vaccines. HIV also stimulates production of antibodies that fail to clear the virus, as do many other viruses, such as hepatitis virus C.”
“People have tried and failed to generate vaccines against such viruses, so we should not be overconfident that a vaccine strategy will work,” Ostrov added.
That doesn’t mean we don’t try to develop a coronavirus vaccine. Vaccines might end up working.
If they don’t, scientists might consider switching up their strategy. Instead of leaning on vaccines to inoculate us, doctors could treat SARS-CoV-2 infections like they do HIV. With a cocktail of drugs that manages, but does not eliminate, the infection."
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Here’s Where Coronavirus Hides in Your Body
A new study provides the best look yet at how COVID-19 works—and how it might be beaten.www.thedailybeast.com
An epidemic with an exponential growth in the number of cases is out of control. An epidemic is considered under control when the number of new cases are decreasing.Predicting the numbers of deaths in an out of control epidemic by Aug. is about as accurate as predicting the Dow Jones Average at end of Aug.March 24, 2020 - United States - 54,916
March 25, 2020 - United States - 68,489 - 24.7% increase
March 26, 2020 - United States - 85,594 - 24.97% increase
March 27, 2020 - United States - 104,256 - 21.8% increase
March 28, 2020 - United States - 123,776 - 18.7% increase
March 29, 2020 - United States - 142,224 - 14.9% increase
March 30, 2020 - United States - 164,266 - 15.5% increase
March 31, 2020 - United States - 188,578 - 14.8% increase
April 1, 2020 - United States - 215,300 - 14.2% increase
April 2, 2020 - United States - 245,193 - 13.9% increase
April 3, 2020 - United States - 277,475 - 13.2% increase
April 4, 2020 - United States - 311,635 - 12.3% increase
April 5, 2020 - United States - 336,830 - 8.1% increase
April 6, 2020 - United States - 367,629 - 9.1% increase
April 7, 2020 - United States - 400,540 - 9.0% increase
April 8, 2020 - United States - 435,160 - 8.6% increase
April 9, 2020 - United States - 468,895 - 7.8% increase
April 10, 2020 - United States - 502,876 - 7.3% increase
If you show the actual differential, you'll see the actual number staying pretty steady. As a percentage of the whole (and keep in mind these are total cases.....we have about 45,000 resolved cases) they will decrease because the whole is getting larger.
View attachment 321975
At one point, before I was making the chart, you were having an increasing rate of increase per day, despite the total becoming larger every day. The nightmare situation was staying at 27% increase per day and having 100 million people infected by April 25. Now that the rate has dropped below 8%, were looking at maybe 3 million infections in a month, but that's if we stay around 8% a day. Hopefully that will be cut further.
If the prediction is for 60,000 deaths by August, then at the current death rate, that will mean about 1,560,000 confirmed infections by August. That would suggest that were about 1/3 of the way through this first wave. Of course, these are all just projections based on current numbers.
Yes.
If we have an out of control epidemic, we should be warry.
Fortunately all we are dealing with the Corona. The only issue there is the panic created by our fearless know-nothings.
An epidemic with an exponential growth in the number of cases is out of control. An epidemic is considered under control when the number of new cases are decreasing.Predicting the numbers of deaths in an out of control epidemic by Aug. is about as accurate as predicting the Dow Jones Average at end of Aug.March 24, 2020 - United States - 54,916
March 25, 2020 - United States - 68,489 - 24.7% increase
March 26, 2020 - United States - 85,594 - 24.97% increase
March 27, 2020 - United States - 104,256 - 21.8% increase
March 28, 2020 - United States - 123,776 - 18.7% increase
March 29, 2020 - United States - 142,224 - 14.9% increase
March 30, 2020 - United States - 164,266 - 15.5% increase
March 31, 2020 - United States - 188,578 - 14.8% increase
April 1, 2020 - United States - 215,300 - 14.2% increase
April 2, 2020 - United States - 245,193 - 13.9% increase
April 3, 2020 - United States - 277,475 - 13.2% increase
April 4, 2020 - United States - 311,635 - 12.3% increase
April 5, 2020 - United States - 336,830 - 8.1% increase
April 6, 2020 - United States - 367,629 - 9.1% increase
April 7, 2020 - United States - 400,540 - 9.0% increase
April 8, 2020 - United States - 435,160 - 8.6% increase
April 9, 2020 - United States - 468,895 - 7.8% increase
April 10, 2020 - United States - 502,876 - 7.3% increase
If you show the actual differential, you'll see the actual number staying pretty steady. As a percentage of the whole (and keep in mind these are total cases.....we have about 45,000 resolved cases) they will decrease because the whole is getting larger.
View attachment 321975
At one point, before I was making the chart, you were having an increasing rate of increase per day, despite the total becoming larger every day. The nightmare situation was staying at 27% increase per day and having 100 million people infected by April 25. Now that the rate has dropped below 8%, were looking at maybe 3 million infections in a month, but that's if we stay around 8% a day. Hopefully that will be cut further.
If the prediction is for 60,000 deaths by August, then at the current death rate, that will mean about 1,560,000 confirmed infections by August. That would suggest that were about 1/3 of the way through this first wave. Of course, these are all just projections based on current numbers.
Yes.
If we have an out of control epidemic, we should be warry.
Fortunately all we are dealing with the Corona. The only issue there is the panic created by our fearless know-nothings.
Dumbfuck.... nearly 22,000 in the U.S. ...You have fking no idea of any body countsNo you didnt. You in no way exlained why a larger volume of deaths than normal is flawed data.data is flawed, and I explained why in few earlier posts.
Dude, this is pointless. You cant even follow a simple english discussion. Trump has turned your brain to tapioca.
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United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Oh for fk sake again. Dude your drama is out thereAn epidemic with an exponential growth in the number of cases is out of control. An epidemic is considered under control when the number of new cases are decreasing.Predicting the numbers of deaths in an out of control epidemic by Aug. is about as accurate as predicting the Dow Jones Average at end of Aug.March 24, 2020 - United States - 54,916
March 25, 2020 - United States - 68,489 - 24.7% increase
March 26, 2020 - United States - 85,594 - 24.97% increase
March 27, 2020 - United States - 104,256 - 21.8% increase
March 28, 2020 - United States - 123,776 - 18.7% increase
March 29, 2020 - United States - 142,224 - 14.9% increase
March 30, 2020 - United States - 164,266 - 15.5% increase
March 31, 2020 - United States - 188,578 - 14.8% increase
April 1, 2020 - United States - 215,300 - 14.2% increase
April 2, 2020 - United States - 245,193 - 13.9% increase
April 3, 2020 - United States - 277,475 - 13.2% increase
April 4, 2020 - United States - 311,635 - 12.3% increase
April 5, 2020 - United States - 336,830 - 8.1% increase
April 6, 2020 - United States - 367,629 - 9.1% increase
April 7, 2020 - United States - 400,540 - 9.0% increase
April 8, 2020 - United States - 435,160 - 8.6% increase
April 9, 2020 - United States - 468,895 - 7.8% increase
April 10, 2020 - United States - 502,876 - 7.3% increase
If you show the actual differential, you'll see the actual number staying pretty steady. As a percentage of the whole (and keep in mind these are total cases.....we have about 45,000 resolved cases) they will decrease because the whole is getting larger.
View attachment 321975
At one point, before I was making the chart, you were having an increasing rate of increase per day, despite the total becoming larger every day. The nightmare situation was staying at 27% increase per day and having 100 million people infected by April 25. Now that the rate has dropped below 8%, were looking at maybe 3 million infections in a month, but that's if we stay around 8% a day. Hopefully that will be cut further.
If the prediction is for 60,000 deaths by August, then at the current death rate, that will mean about 1,560,000 confirmed infections by August. That would suggest that were about 1/3 of the way through this first wave. Of course, these are all just projections based on current numbers.
Yes.
If we have an out of control epidemic, we should be warry.
Fortunately all we are dealing with the Corona. The only issue there is the panic created by our fearless know-nothings.
You believe that!!!! Too fking funnyGood informationWill you accept a temperature check and throat swab?
The bad news may be that vaccines won't work against this virus. I certainly don't want this guy as a researcher.
"The novel coronavirus can stow away in your throat without you knowing it, and every time you cough you’re broadsiding the people around you with the virus. To stay healthy and contain SARS-CoV-2, stay home and keep your distance.
Population-wide efforts to control coronavirus might not be so straightforward, however. The coronavirus is a clever, elusive, and tough little pathogen that could defy normal vaccines.
Those are two of the main takeaways from an important new study by a team of 18 scientists in Germany.
Working in two separate laboratories, the scientists carefully studied the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in the bodies of nine patients, taking daily measurements in order to understand each phase of the infection.
The team completed its study in early March and, published its findings in the journal Nature this month. “Active virus-replication in the upper respiratory tract puts the prospects of COVID-19 containment in perspective,” the scientists wrote.
Close observers of coronavirus studies hailed the German team’s work. There’s “huge news” in the Nature paper, David Ostrov, a professor in the Department of Pathology, Immunology and Laboratory Medicine at the University of Florida College of Medicine, told The Daily Beast.
Some of the news is good.
SARS-CoV-2 starts replicating in the throat, not the lungs. For that reason, a simple throat swab is enough to test for the virus. There’s probably no need for an intrusive, unpleasant nasal swab.
The virus mostly spreads from people coughing on each other. It’s a lot less likely that you’ll catch the coronavirus by touching the same touchpad or toilet handle as an infected person.
It’s probably safe for a hospital to release a COVID-19 patient 10 days after they start showing symptoms.
There’s bad news in the German study, too.
The antibodies our bodies produce in response to COVID-19 infection don’t actually destroy this virus. In that way, it is a lot like HIV.
That has implications for the high-stakes global effort to develop vaccines and other treatments.
Besides containing important takeaways for doctors, scientists, and the public, the German study also tells a story. One that helps to make sense of the pandemic.
Peter Kolchinsky, a virologist and biotech investor, summed up the Nature paper on Twitter. The study, he wrote, “reveals a remarkable trick SARS-CoV-2 learned that makes it nastier than the first SARS,” which killed nearly 800 people during an outbreak in 2003.
Viruses access our cells by interfacing with particular proteins. Once inside, they hijack our cells’ own mechanisms in order to make copies of themselves. When that happens, our bodies sometimes panic, mobilizing a powerful immune response that can go too far… and make us sick or even kill us.
It turns out, SARS-CoV-2 prefers a spiky protein called ACE2.
“Think of it as a particular doorknob that the virus knows how to turn,” Kolchinsky explained in his summary of the German paper.
We’ve got a lot of those ACE2 proteins in our throats, which are great places for a virus to hide out, replicate, and get ready to spread.
From the throat, the pathogen can spread inward to the lungs, where it becomes a lot more dangerous to the host. And with each cough it projects outward into the world. All without us even knowing it’s there.
Beating the coronavirus pandemic requires people to block the virus’ preferred method of travel—coughs—before they even know they have it. “There’s an evil genius to viruses that never ceases to amaze me,” Kolchinsky wrote.
Ostrov for his part focused on the German team’s findings on antibodies, which our bodies produce via a process called “seroconversion.”
“When aligned to viral load courses, it seems there is no abrupt virus elimination at the time of seroconversion,” the scientists wrote. “Rather, seroconversion early in week two coincides with a slow but steady decline of sputum viral load.”
“This means that the antibodies are not effective at clearing the virus,” Ostrov told The Daily Beast. “This is relevant when thinking about viruses and vaccines. HIV also stimulates production of antibodies that fail to clear the virus, as do many other viruses, such as hepatitis virus C.”
“People have tried and failed to generate vaccines against such viruses, so we should not be overconfident that a vaccine strategy will work,” Ostrov added.
That doesn’t mean we don’t try to develop a coronavirus vaccine. Vaccines might end up working.
If they don’t, scientists might consider switching up their strategy. Instead of leaning on vaccines to inoculate us, doctors could treat SARS-CoV-2 infections like they do HIV. With a cocktail of drugs that manages, but does not eliminate, the infection."
![]()
Here’s Where Coronavirus Hides in Your Body
A new study provides the best look yet at how COVID-19 works—and how it might be beaten.www.thedailybeast.com
I suspect the virus is spread not by just coughing. Remember the choir where 45 people became infected from choir practices plus a lot of cases have no identifiable contact.
There could be a lot of good things come out this epidemic. If the social distancing and the other common sense health precautions such as hand washing, avoiding handshaking, and reduction in hand touching of the face becomes a habit with many people, it could have a dramatic impact on the flu, pneumonia, digestive infections, the common cold, etc.. and that would have dramatic impact on the cost of healthcare and worker productivity. In fact there are a number of good things that could come out all this. Maybe I should start thread about it.
The population density in Utah is 33 people per square mile. The population density of New York City is 28,000 people per square mile. High density populations have high numbers of cases and deaths.View attachment 322606
An epidemic with an exponential growth in the number of cases is out of control. An epidemic is considered under control when the number of new cases are decreasing.Predicting the numbers of deaths in an out of control epidemic by Aug. is about as accurate as predicting the Dow Jones Average at end of Aug.March 24, 2020 - United States - 54,916
March 25, 2020 - United States - 68,489 - 24.7% increase
March 26, 2020 - United States - 85,594 - 24.97% increase
March 27, 2020 - United States - 104,256 - 21.8% increase
March 28, 2020 - United States - 123,776 - 18.7% increase
March 29, 2020 - United States - 142,224 - 14.9% increase
March 30, 2020 - United States - 164,266 - 15.5% increase
March 31, 2020 - United States - 188,578 - 14.8% increase
April 1, 2020 - United States - 215,300 - 14.2% increase
April 2, 2020 - United States - 245,193 - 13.9% increase
April 3, 2020 - United States - 277,475 - 13.2% increase
April 4, 2020 - United States - 311,635 - 12.3% increase
April 5, 2020 - United States - 336,830 - 8.1% increase
April 6, 2020 - United States - 367,629 - 9.1% increase
April 7, 2020 - United States - 400,540 - 9.0% increase
April 8, 2020 - United States - 435,160 - 8.6% increase
April 9, 2020 - United States - 468,895 - 7.8% increase
April 10, 2020 - United States - 502,876 - 7.3% increase
If you show the actual differential, you'll see the actual number staying pretty steady. As a percentage of the whole (and keep in mind these are total cases.....we have about 45,000 resolved cases) they will decrease because the whole is getting larger.
View attachment 321975
At one point, before I was making the chart, you were having an increasing rate of increase per day, despite the total becoming larger every day. The nightmare situation was staying at 27% increase per day and having 100 million people infected by April 25. Now that the rate has dropped below 8%, were looking at maybe 3 million infections in a month, but that's if we stay around 8% a day. Hopefully that will be cut further.
If the prediction is for 60,000 deaths by August, then at the current death rate, that will mean about 1,560,000 confirmed infections by August. That would suggest that were about 1/3 of the way through this first wave. Of course, these are all just projections based on current numbers.
Yes.
If we have an out of control epidemic, we should be warry.
Fortunately all we are dealing with the Corona. The only issue there is the panic created by our fearless know-nothings.
And in many cases it is decreasing.
I've been posting several key examples.
And in many it isnt. And, overall, it isnt.in many cases it is decreasing.
1 term president lol and you base that on what?Emotional investment in a false scenario is very difficult to dislodge
12 months from now, just like the ongoing Muller is still working delusion, 50 million liberals will declare that 65,000 did not die but rather 1.7-2.2 million did because that’s the emotional investment material that was fed to them and they gobbled it down and now it’s ingrained in them.
Ha, 12 months from now sycophants will still be saying that trump was the greatest 1-term president ever because a lower level of education prevents critical thinking.
It may have been in the air for everybody just like pollen
I tell you the scared libs are farked. They have to breath like everyone else, too.
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Coronavirus lockdown measures to stay in place after Government make decision
Brits will have to continue social distancing and stay indoors as we wait for the coronavirus outbreak to peak, Dominic Raab told media at today's press briefingwww.dailystar.co.uk
Itll be much easier for globo homo inc to keep western euros indoors with thier shops closed
Hopefully we dont make the same mistake here in the u.s.a
Good for us, we've passed the 2½ million mark on testing. Still a long way to go.
Country,
OtherTotal
CasesNew
CasesTotal
DeathsNew
DeathsTotal
RecoveredActive
CasesSerious,
CriticalTot Cases/
1M popDeaths/
1M popTotal
TestsTests/
1M popWorld 1,685,533 +81,881 102,099 +6,407 375,221 1,208,213 49,774 216 13.1 USA 493,426 +24,860 18,331 +1,640 26,783 448,312 10,896 1,491 55 2,502,643 7,561 Spain 157,053 +3,831 15,970 +523 55,668 85,415 7,371 3,359 342 355,000 7,593 Italy 147,577 +3,951 18,849 +570 30,455 98,273 3,497 2,441 312 906,864 14,999 France 124,869 +7,120 13,197 +987 24,932 86,740 7,004 1,913 202 333,807 5,114 Germany 121,045 +2,810 2,728 +121 53,913 64,404 4,895 1,445 33 1,317,887 15,730 China 81,907 +42 3,336 +1 77,455 1,116 144 57 2 UK 73,758 +8,681 8,958 +980 135 64,665 1,559 1,086 132 316,836 4,667 Iran 68,192 +1,972 4,232 +122 35,465 28,495 3,969 812 50 242,568 2,888 Turkey 47,029 +4,747 1,006 +98 2,423 43,600 1,667 558 12 307,210 3,643 Belgium 26,667 +1,684 3,019 +496 5,568 18,080 1,278 2,301 260 84,248 7,269 Switzerland 24,551 +500 1,002 +54 11,100 12,449 386 2,837 116 178,500 20,625 Netherlands 23,097 +1,335 2,511 +115 250 20,336 1,424 1,348 147 101,534 5,926 Canada 22,046 +1,281 556 +47 5,834 15,656 518 584 15 370,315 9,812