Official Coronavirus Thread - Up to the minute Coronavirus map and count.

[Likkmee]

OK march 24 =54000
Where are those now ? 17 days later ?

 

[U2Edge]

March 24, 2020 - United States - 54,916
March 25, 2020 - United States - 68,489 - 24.7% increase
March 26, 2020 - United States - 85,594 - 24.97% increase
March 27, 2020 - United States - 104,256 - 21.8% increase
March 28, 2020 - United States - 123,776 - 18.7% increase
March 29, 2020 - United States - 142,224 - 14.9% increase
March 30, 2020 - United States - 164,266 - 15.5% increase
March 31, 2020 - United States - 188,578 - 14.8% increase
April 1, 2020 - United States - 215,300 - 14.2% increase
April 2, 2020 - United States - 245,193 - 13.9% increase
April 3, 2020 - United States - 277,475 - 13.2% increase
April 4, 2020 - United States - 311,635 - 12.3% increase
April 5, 2020 - United States - 336,830 - 8.1% increase
April 6, 2020 - United States - 367,629 - 9.1% increase
April 7, 2020 - United States - 400,540 - 9.0% increase
April 8, 2020 - United States - 435,160 - 8.6% increase
April 9, 2020 - United States - 468,895 - 7.8% increase
April 10, 2020 - United States - 502,876 - 7.3% increase

If you show the actual differential, you'll see the actual number staying pretty steady. As a percentage of the whole (and keep in mind these are total cases.....we have about 45,000 resolved cases) they will decrease because the whole is getting larger.

View attachment 321975

At one point, before I was making the chart, you were having an increasing rate of increase per day, despite the total becoming larger every day. The nightmare situation was staying at 27% increase per day and having 100 million people infected by April 25. Now that the rate has dropped below 8%, were looking at maybe 3 million infections in a month, but that's if we stay around 8% a day. Hopefully that will be cut further.

If the prediction is for 60,000 deaths by August, then at the current death rate, that will mean about 1,560,000 confirmed infections by August. That would suggest that were about 1/3 of the way through this first wave. Of course, these are all just projections based on current numbers.

 

[U2Edge]

OK march 24 =54000
Where are those now ? 17 days later ?

I'd like to say that the majority are better and no longer capable of spreading the pathogen. They say 14 days to get better, but sometimes it can take 25 days. That's for people who don't require hospitalization of any type.

 

[U2Edge]

Data is all over the map.

And we still don't know if we are counting correctly.

Deaths...due to Corona....

Actual cases....not enough testing....

All data is suspect.

And we are killing our economy (but the stock market seems O.K.).

We're not getting actual numbers.

This document is from CDC.gov, new instructions (at the time) for counting deaths. Look at the last paragraph.

COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.

What they're telling us, if you're not tested, but if it looks you have symptoms of COVID-19 (fever, cough, shortness of breath), and later die, you will be counted as dead from COVID-19. That's interesting, since coincidentally flu have the same symptoms.

A. Were out of flu season now.

B. Because Donald Trump failed to prepare this nation with adequate testing over the past three years for pandemic pathogens, we have to everything we can to try and track the disease and its spread. Its better to overestimate, than to underestimate when it comes to planning for the future to defeat this pathogen.

What you saying, Trump should have been prepared for corona virus and have tests ready three years before corona virus first appeared and even existed.

Why three years, and not five or ten? Oh, ten years ago Barry was in office. Well, if you loons were less busy trying to overturn elections, attempting coups, screaming Russia, and arranging impeachments, maybe Trump would spend more time doing his actual job.

Trump has a job to do. His lawyers handle his defense. We can't do anything about any lack of preparation by Obama or any past Presidents, but we can do something about Trump and what he has failed to do since coming into office on January 20, 2017.

 

[Flopper]

Take away New York and New Jersey, and the United States STILL has the most active cases in the world. Even without those two states, still nearly double the country with the next most amount of cases.

How convenient that you want to blame everyone except for Trump.

Perhaps New York and New Jersey are States with more weak people due to smoking, bad diet, greater senior population, etc. Then, the virus will cause them greater serious effects and more people will ask to be tested.

In reality the infected by the virus in the whole US might be millions of people, but the great majority has felt a light head pressure, a one or two days diarrhea, soft cough attacks taken as "pollen allergy", etc, and their inmmune system took care of this WEAK Corona virus, and no one knew about it.

Neither diarrhea nor headaches are common symptoms of Covid 19.

New York City is one of the healthiest cities the country coming at 12th and their smoking rate is below the national average. It's an epicenter for the virus due primarily to population density. New York City has a population density of 32,000 people per square mile and 63,000 in Manhattan. By Comparison, Kansas City has a population density of 264 people per square mile.

The clustering of people that makes our great cities more innovative and productive also makes them, and us, vulnerable to infectious disease. Although population density is certainly not the only factor it is certainly a major factor. New York City is the most visited city in the country with over 65 million tourist a year coming from every city and town in the US as well as the world, insures the city will be an epicenter of any major pandemic.

on the outside of the pack of cigarettes, it says "SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, and May Complicate Pregnancy. ... SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking by Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, and Low Birth Weight. SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide." People still smoke. you expect everyone to go along with this hoax you're sadly mistaken. I ain't hopping into any wagon or rail car. maybe you will huh? you just accept the government's orders. not I. i live in the US and we have rights to assemble, it doesn't say anything more on that right. doesn't state unless a mayor says you can't just doesn't.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government. " no where does it say unless a mayor or governor or president says so. so fk off.

The neither the subject of my post nor this tread is about smoking.

 

[Likkmee]

OK march 24 =54000
Where are those now ? 17 days later ?

I'd like to say that the majority are better and no longer capable of spreading the pathogen. They say 14 days to get better, but sometimes it can take 25 days. That's for people who don't require hospitalization of any type.

I'd like a lot of things. Numbers are cool too.

 

[Likkmee]

548 cases here
56 clear as of 930 AM

 

[Ame®icano]

Data is all over the map.

And we still don't know if we are counting correctly.

Deaths...due to Corona....

Actual cases....not enough testing....

All data is suspect.

And we are killing our economy (but the stock market seems O.K.).

We're not getting actual numbers.

This document is from CDC.gov, new instructions (at the time) for counting deaths. Look at the last paragraph.

COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.

What they're telling us, if you're not tested, but if it looks you have symptoms of COVID-19 (fever, cough, shortness of breath), and later die, you will be counted as dead from COVID-19. That's interesting, since coincidentally flu have the same symptoms.

A. Were out of flu season now.

B. Because Donald Trump failed to prepare this nation with adequate testing over the past three years for pandemic pathogens, we have to everything we can to try and track the disease and its spread. Its better to overestimate, than to underestimate when it comes to planning for the future to defeat this pathogen.

What you saying, Trump should have been prepared for corona virus and have tests ready three years before corona virus first appeared and even existed.

Why three years, and not five or ten? Oh, ten years ago Barry was in office. Well, if you loons were less busy trying to overturn elections, attempting coups, screaming Russia, and arranging impeachments, maybe Trump would spend more time doing his actual job.

Trump has a job to do. His lawyers handle his defense. We can't do anything about any lack of preparation by Obama or any past Presidents, but we can do something about Trump and what he has failed to do since coming into office on January 20, 2017.

Can you point to just one of your posts where you're criticizing Barry's handling of Swine Flu?

 

[Flopper]

Data is all over the map.

And we still don't know if we are counting correctly.

Deaths...due to Corona....

Actual cases....not enough testing....

All data is suspect.

And we are killing our economy (but the stock market seems O.K.).

In an epidemic counts can be high or low. Doctors don't spend a lot time determine the cause of a single death when they have a ward filled with very sick people who tested positive for Covid 19. Maybe there are only 400,000 cases or maybe there is really 600,000. That's not really going change anything.
Sadly, the choice is going be between lives and the economy. If social distancing is responsible for lowering the rate of infection, eliminating social distancing is going to be responsible for increasing that rate of infection, a very inconvenient truth that most of us don't want to face.

 

[Flopper]

March 24, 2020 - United States - 54,916
March 25, 2020 - United States - 68,489 - 24.7% increase
March 26, 2020 - United States - 85,594 - 24.97% increase
March 27, 2020 - United States - 104,256 - 21.8% increase
March 28, 2020 - United States - 123,776 - 18.7% increase
March 29, 2020 - United States - 142,224 - 14.9% increase
March 30, 2020 - United States - 164,266 - 15.5% increase
March 31, 2020 - United States - 188,578 - 14.8% increase
April 1, 2020 - United States - 215,300 - 14.2% increase
April 2, 2020 - United States - 245,193 - 13.9% increase
April 3, 2020 - United States - 277,475 - 13.2% increase
April 4, 2020 - United States - 311,635 - 12.3% increase
April 5, 2020 - United States - 336,830 - 8.1% increase
April 6, 2020 - United States - 367,629 - 9.1% increase
April 7, 2020 - United States - 400,540 - 9.0% increase
April 8, 2020 - United States - 435,160 - 8.6% increase
April 9, 2020 - United States - 468,895 - 7.8% increase
April 10, 2020 - United States - 502,876 - 7.3% increase

If you show the actual differential, you'll see the actual number staying pretty steady. As a percentage of the whole (and keep in mind these are total cases.....we have about 45,000 resolved cases) they will decrease because the whole is getting larger.

View attachment 321975

At one point, before I was making the chart, you were having an increasing rate of increase per day, despite the total becoming larger every day. The nightmare situation was staying at 27% increase per day and having 100 million people infected by April 25. Now that the rate has dropped below 8%, were looking at maybe 3 million infections in a month, but that's if we stay around 8% a day. Hopefully that will be cut further.

If the prediction is for 60,000 deaths by August, then at the current death rate, that will mean about 1,560,000 confirmed infections by August. That would suggest that were about 1/3 of the way through this first wave. Of course, these are all just projections based on current numbers.

Predicting the numbers of deaths in an out of control epidemic by Aug. is about as accurate as predicting the Dow Jones Average at end of Aug.

 

[james bond]

Will you accept a temperature check and throat swab?

The bad news may be that vaccines won't work against this virus. I certainly don't want this guy as a researcher.

"The novel coronavirus can stow away in your throat without you knowing it, and every time you cough you’re broadsiding the people around you with the virus. To stay healthy and contain SARS-CoV-2, stay home and keep your distance.

Population-wide efforts to control coronavirus might not be so straightforward, however. The coronavirus is a clever, elusive, and tough little pathogen that could defy normal vaccines.

Those are two of the main takeaways from an important new study by a team of 18 scientists in Germany.

Working in two separate laboratories, the scientists carefully studied the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in the bodies of nine patients, taking daily measurements in order to understand each phase of the infection.

The team completed its study in early March and, published its findings in the journal Nature this month. “Active virus-replication in the upper respiratory tract puts the prospects of COVID-19 containment in perspective,” the scientists wrote.

Close observers of coronavirus studies hailed the German team’s work. There’s “huge news” in the Nature paper, David Ostrov, a professor in the Department of Pathology, Immunology and Laboratory Medicine at the University of Florida College of Medicine, told The Daily Beast.

Some of the news is good.

SARS-CoV-2 starts replicating in the throat, not the lungs. For that reason, a simple throat swab is enough to test for the virus. There’s probably no need for an intrusive, unpleasant nasal swab.

The virus mostly spreads from people coughing on each other. It’s a lot less likely that you’ll catch the coronavirus by touching the same touchpad or toilet handle as an infected person.

It’s probably safe for a hospital to release a COVID-19 patient 10 days after they start showing symptoms.

There’s bad news in the German study, too.

The antibodies our bodies produce in response to COVID-19 infection don’t actually destroy this virus. In that way, it is a lot like HIV.

That has implications for the high-stakes global effort to develop vaccines and other treatments.

Besides containing important takeaways for doctors, scientists, and the public, the German study also tells a story. One that helps to make sense of the pandemic.

Peter Kolchinsky, a virologist and biotech investor, summed up the Nature paper on Twitter. The study, he wrote, “reveals a remarkable trick SARS-CoV-2 learned that makes it nastier than the first SARS,” which killed nearly 800 people during an outbreak in 2003.

Viruses access our cells by interfacing with particular proteins. Once inside, they hijack our cells’ own mechanisms in order to make copies of themselves. When that happens, our bodies sometimes panic, mobilizing a powerful immune response that can go too far… and make us sick or even kill us.

It turns out, SARS-CoV-2 prefers a spiky protein called ACE2.

“Think of it as a particular doorknob that the virus knows how to turn,” Kolchinsky explained in his summary of the German paper.

We’ve got a lot of those ACE2 proteins in our throats, which are great places for a virus to hide out, replicate, and get ready to spread.

From the throat, the pathogen can spread inward to the lungs, where it becomes a lot more dangerous to the host. And with each cough it projects outward into the world. All without us even knowing it’s there.

Beating the coronavirus pandemic requires people to block the virus’ preferred method of travel—coughs—before they even know they have it. “There’s an evil genius to viruses that never ceases to amaze me,” Kolchinsky wrote.

Ostrov for his part focused on the German team’s findings on antibodies, which our bodies produce via a process called “seroconversion.”

“When aligned to viral load courses, it seems there is no abrupt virus elimination at the time of seroconversion,” the scientists wrote. “Rather, seroconversion early in week two coincides with a slow but steady decline of sputum viral load.”

“This means that the antibodies are not effective at clearing the virus,” Ostrov told The Daily Beast. “This is relevant when thinking about viruses and vaccines. HIV also stimulates production of antibodies that fail to clear the virus, as do many other viruses, such as hepatitis virus C.”

“People have tried and failed to generate vaccines against such viruses, so we should not be overconfident that a vaccine strategy will work,” Ostrov added.

That doesn’t mean we don’t try to develop a coronavirus vaccine. Vaccines might end up working.

If they don’t, scientists might consider switching up their strategy. Instead of leaning on vaccines to inoculate us, doctors could treat SARS-CoV-2 infections like they do HIV. With a cocktail of drugs that manages, but does not eliminate, the infection."

Here’s Where Coronavirus Hides in Your Body

A new study provides the best look yet at how COVID-19 works—and how it might be beaten.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Flopper]

Will you accept a temperature check and throat swab?

The bad news may be that vaccines won't work against this virus. I certainly don't want this guy as a researcher.

"The novel coronavirus can stow away in your throat without you knowing it, and every time you cough you’re broadsiding the people around you with the virus. To stay healthy and contain SARS-CoV-2, stay home and keep your distance.

Population-wide efforts to control coronavirus might not be so straightforward, however. The coronavirus is a clever, elusive, and tough little pathogen that could defy normal vaccines.

Those are two of the main takeaways from an important new study by a team of 18 scientists in Germany.

Working in two separate laboratories, the scientists carefully studied the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in the bodies of nine patients, taking daily measurements in order to understand each phase of the infection.

The team completed its study in early March and, published its findings in the journal Nature this month. “Active virus-replication in the upper respiratory tract puts the prospects of COVID-19 containment in perspective,” the scientists wrote.

Close observers of coronavirus studies hailed the German team’s work. There’s “huge news” in the Nature paper, David Ostrov, a professor in the Department of Pathology, Immunology and Laboratory Medicine at the University of Florida College of Medicine, told The Daily Beast.

Some of the news is good.

SARS-CoV-2 starts replicating in the throat, not the lungs. For that reason, a simple throat swab is enough to test for the virus. There’s probably no need for an intrusive, unpleasant nasal swab.

The virus mostly spreads from people coughing on each other. It’s a lot less likely that you’ll catch the coronavirus by touching the same touchpad or toilet handle as an infected person.

It’s probably safe for a hospital to release a COVID-19 patient 10 days after they start showing symptoms.

There’s bad news in the German study, too.

The antibodies our bodies produce in response to COVID-19 infection don’t actually destroy this virus. In that way, it is a lot like HIV.

That has implications for the high-stakes global effort to develop vaccines and other treatments.

Besides containing important takeaways for doctors, scientists, and the public, the German study also tells a story. One that helps to make sense of the pandemic.

Peter Kolchinsky, a virologist and biotech investor, summed up the Nature paper on Twitter. The study, he wrote, “reveals a remarkable trick SARS-CoV-2 learned that makes it nastier than the first SARS,” which killed nearly 800 people during an outbreak in 2003.

Viruses access our cells by interfacing with particular proteins. Once inside, they hijack our cells’ own mechanisms in order to make copies of themselves. When that happens, our bodies sometimes panic, mobilizing a powerful immune response that can go too far… and make us sick or even kill us.

It turns out, SARS-CoV-2 prefers a spiky protein called ACE2.

“Think of it as a particular doorknob that the virus knows how to turn,” Kolchinsky explained in his summary of the German paper.

We’ve got a lot of those ACE2 proteins in our throats, which are great places for a virus to hide out, replicate, and get ready to spread.

From the throat, the pathogen can spread inward to the lungs, where it becomes a lot more dangerous to the host. And with each cough it projects outward into the world. All without us even knowing it’s there.

Beating the coronavirus pandemic requires people to block the virus’ preferred method of travel—coughs—before they even know they have it. “There’s an evil genius to viruses that never ceases to amaze me,” Kolchinsky wrote.

Ostrov for his part focused on the German team’s findings on antibodies, which our bodies produce via a process called “seroconversion.”

“When aligned to viral load courses, it seems there is no abrupt virus elimination at the time of seroconversion,” the scientists wrote. “Rather, seroconversion early in week two coincides with a slow but steady decline of sputum viral load.”

“This means that the antibodies are not effective at clearing the virus,” Ostrov told The Daily Beast. “This is relevant when thinking about viruses and vaccines. HIV also stimulates production of antibodies that fail to clear the virus, as do many other viruses, such as hepatitis virus C.”

“People have tried and failed to generate vaccines against such viruses, so we should not be overconfident that a vaccine strategy will work,” Ostrov added.

That doesn’t mean we don’t try to develop a coronavirus vaccine. Vaccines might end up working.

If they don’t, scientists might consider switching up their strategy. Instead of leaning on vaccines to inoculate us, doctors could treat SARS-CoV-2 infections like they do HIV. With a cocktail of drugs that manages, but does not eliminate, the infection."

Here’s Where Coronavirus Hides in Your Body

A new study provides the best look yet at how COVID-19 works—and how it might be beaten.

www.thedailybeast.com

Given time, they will find a vaccine that works. The question is how well will it work and how long will it take to develop. Even without a vaccine, the number of cases will decrease due to immunity of those who have been previously infected, natural immunity, social distancing, and of course the number of deaths. The virus's weakness is that it can't survive in sufficient number for very long without a host. So if there are not enough eligible hosts around in sufficient numbers, the virus will cease to be a major problem. Secondly, we are finding antivirals that reduce the impact of being infected. This is why epidemiologist are not concerned about it wiping out human life.

 

[Fed Starving]

Data is all over the map.

And we still don't know if we are counting correctly.

Deaths...due to Corona....

Actual cases....not enough testing....

All data is suspect.

And we are killing our economy (but the stock market seems O.K.).

You're using consecutive numbers, right?

 

[james bond]

Predicting the numbers of deaths in an out of control epidemic by Aug.

My estimates of 15,000 - 20,000 by Easter were too low. We are over 20,000 now and lead the world in number of deaths due to COVID-19. The numbers I estimate now are 68,292 by May, but it could be too high. I'm not sure how to include peak rates and how quarantine and sanitation affect the numbers. Obviously, downwards.

The White House computer model has 82,000 deaths by August

82,000 COVID-19 Deaths Projected in US by Early August

Model projects that the country may need fewer hospital beds, ventilators and other equipment than previously estimated, and that some states may reach their peak of COVID-19 deaths sooner than expected

www.voanews.com

The worldometer had projected a similar number.

University of Washington has The United States is projected to suffer a total of 81,114 COVID-19 deaths by Aug. 4, with fatalities peaking on April 14 at 2,341.

Study projects coronavirus deaths state by state through early August

New projections done by the University of Washington show a startling state-by-state...

www.sfgate.com

Dr. Fauci is starting to sound looney, but he's the doctor

Dr. Anthony Fauci: Virus death toll may be ‘more like 60,000 than 100,000 to 200,000’

Joining TODAY live, Dr. Anthony Fauci says that even though the number of deaths validate that this is a bad week in the coronavirus battle, there are “some glimmers of hope” such as stabilizing numbers of hospitalizations in New York. He says that social distancing and behavior changes are...

www.today.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Can you point to just one of your posts where you're criticizing Barry's handling of Swine Flu?

Pathetic whataboutism. There are 5 billion crybaby Obama threads on this board, we don't need 5 billion and 1. Thanks.

 

[Ame®icano]

Can you point to just one of your posts where you're criticizing Barry's handling of Swine Flu?

Pathetic whataboutism. There are 5 billion crybaby Obama threads on this board, we don't need 5 billion and 1. Thanks.

Oh, you can blame Trump and defend Barry, and you can compare the two in your post, but when asked to clarify, your tail goes between legs.

The "whataboutism" was on your end, dweeb.

 

[Ame®icano]

This woman is the Chair of the Congressional Coronavirus task force, and she doesn't know how to wear the mask.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

And we've now passed up Italy in total deaths.

Is it possible for us to have fucked this up any worse than we have?

I don't think so. But now the only thing we can do is, is try and find a way out of this hole, this disaster, back to some sense of normality.

I am finding more people are living a lot more normal than you would think.

And the states they live in have less than 100 deaths.

Sorry....your fairy tale is falling apart.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Daily deaths world wide.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Data is all over the map.

And we still don't know if we are counting correctly.

Deaths...due to Corona....

Actual cases....not enough testing....

All data is suspect.

And we are killing our economy (but the stock market seems O.K.).

You're using consecutive numbers, right?

What are you asking ?

Consecutive numbers for what ?