Official Coronavirus Thread - Up to the minute Coronavirus map and count.

[U2Edge]

Statistics through April 20. Still going up especially in the US. Our infection rate passes France.
Spain has eclipsed the 200,000 mark, which we passed on April 1st.

World 2,480,503 +73,928 170,397 +5,366 646,328 1,663,778 56,763 318 21.9 USA 792,759 +28,123 42,514 +1,939 72,389 677,856 13,951 2,395 128 4,026,360 12,164 Italy 181,228 +2,256 24,114 +454 48,877 108,237 2,573 2,997 399 1,398,024 23,122 Spain 200,210 +1,536 20,852 +399 80,587 98,771 7,371 4,282 446 930,230 19,896 France 155,383 +2,489 20,265 +547 37,409 97,709 5,683 2,380 310 463,662 7,103 UK 124,743 +4,676 16,509 +449 N/A 107,890 1,559 1,838 243 501,379 7,386 Belgium 39,983 +1,487 5,828 +145 8,895 25,260 1,071 3,450 503 161,896 13,969 Iran 83,505 +1,294 5,209 +91 59,273 19,023 3,389 994 62 353,012 4,203 Germany 147,065 +1,323 4,862 +220 91,500 50,703 2,889 1,755 58 1,728,357 20,629 China 82,747 +12 4,632 77,084 1,031 81 57 3 Netherlands 33,405 +750 3,751 +67 N/A 29,404 1,158 1,950 219 171,415 10,004 Brazil 40,743 +2,089 2,587 +125 22,130 16,026 7,919 192 12 291,922 1,373 Turkey 90,980 +4,674 2,140 +123 13,430 75,410 1,909 1,079 25 673,980 7,991 Canada 36,829 +1,773 1,690 +103 12,586 22,553 557 976 45 559,578 14,826

Well, that must mean it's time to remove all restrictions, send everybody back to work, return to life as normal, and see just how high we can drive new cases and deaths.

Why is it that you dicks go right to that line.

There is no room for a reasonable conversation with you.

If someone doesn't like your way or agree with it, you get the hyperbole virus.

Fuck off.

There is certainly room for reasonable conversation. However, what is reasonable is certainly debatable. If we don't start opening up the country soon, the economy is going to collapse and usher in food shortages, riots, and all kinds of bad stuff. On the other hand, we have to keep in mind that we are a long way from bringing the virus under control. Just 8 weeks ago, there were 35 known case and no deaths in the country. Today those cases have grown 800,000 and 42,000 deaths. That is pretty fucking amazing! If you had come on this board 8 weeks ago and said we'll have 42,000 deaths due to the virus in 2 months, people would think you're nuts.

Without social distancing and shutting down businesses, those numbers would have been much higher, so how do we open up the country without driving those numbers into millions of cases and hundreds of thousands of deaths? There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure put on the governors to return society to normal which is going to be impossible.

What is going to be very hard is determining what parts of the economy can be brought back without big increase in the number of cases and deaths. Also, allowing selected businesses sectors to reopen while others remain closed is going create a lot of problems and a lot of pissed off people.

1. 37% of the labor force is able to do their jobs from home.
2. Jobs considered essential have never stopped and include Healthcare, non-restaurant food services, shipping by both truck, rail and air, the entire U.S. military and U.S. police force.
3. The two above combine for over 60% of the labor force.
4. The United States is still producing far more food than it eats and there is no one in the food production and distribution services that have stopped working except restaurants. So there are no real food shortages, only setbacks in distribution.
5. For the 40% of the economy that is shut down or close to it, there is no reason to restart it when there will be no customers for those business's anyways. Your not going to really do business until people feel safe again.
6. 70% to 80% of the country supports the lockdowns. Those lockdowns may continue for the next two to three years until a vaccine is found.
7. Germany and Japan survived World War II after being destroyed. Japan was NUKED. Both countries and economies came back though. This is a walk in the park compared to what Germany and Japan experienced during World War II. The economy will eventually come back as it did for Germany and Japan after World War II.
8. While the economy and business will return once the crises is over, you can't bring someone back who is physically dead from covid-19.
9. Trillions of dollars of economic aid is heading towards those who have lost jobs. If you can take 1/3 of the workforce out of their jobs in World War II and pay them to go overseas and shoot people, you can pay 1/3 of the workforce to SIT AT HOME!

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Statistics through April 20. Still going up especially in the US. Our infection rate passes France.
Spain has eclipsed the 200,000 mark, which we passed on April 1st.

World 2,480,503 +73,928 170,397 +5,366 646,328 1,663,778 56,763 318 21.9 USA 792,759 +28,123 42,514 +1,939 72,389 677,856 13,951 2,395 128 4,026,360 12,164 Italy 181,228 +2,256 24,114 +454 48,877 108,237 2,573 2,997 399 1,398,024 23,122 Spain 200,210 +1,536 20,852 +399 80,587 98,771 7,371 4,282 446 930,230 19,896 France 155,383 +2,489 20,265 +547 37,409 97,709 5,683 2,380 310 463,662 7,103 UK 124,743 +4,676 16,509 +449 N/A 107,890 1,559 1,838 243 501,379 7,386 Belgium 39,983 +1,487 5,828 +145 8,895 25,260 1,071 3,450 503 161,896 13,969 Iran 83,505 +1,294 5,209 +91 59,273 19,023 3,389 994 62 353,012 4,203 Germany 147,065 +1,323 4,862 +220 91,500 50,703 2,889 1,755 58 1,728,357 20,629 China 82,747 +12 4,632 77,084 1,031 81 57 3 Netherlands 33,405 +750 3,751 +67 N/A 29,404 1,158 1,950 219 171,415 10,004 Brazil 40,743 +2,089 2,587 +125 22,130 16,026 7,919 192 12 291,922 1,373 Turkey 90,980 +4,674 2,140 +123 13,430 75,410 1,909 1,079 25 673,980 7,991 Canada 36,829 +1,773 1,690 +103 12,586 22,553 557 976 45 559,578 14,826

Well, that must mean it's time to remove all restrictions, send everybody back to work, return to life as normal, and see just how high we can drive new cases and deaths.

Why is it that you dicks go right to that line.

There is no room for a reasonable conversation with you.

If someone doesn't like your way or agree with it, you get the hyperbole virus.

Fuck off.

There is certainly room for reasonable conversation. However, what is reasonable is certainly debatable. If we don't start opening up the country soon, the economy is going to collapse and usher in food shortages, riots, and all kinds of bad stuff. On the other hand, we have to keep in mind that we are a long way from bringing the virus under control. Just 8 weeks ago, there were 35 known case and no deaths in the country. Today those cases have grown 800,000 and 42,000 deaths. That is pretty fucking amazing! If you had come on this board 8 weeks ago and said we'll have 42,000 deaths due to the virus in 2 months, people would think you're nuts.

Without social distancing and shutting down businesses, those numbers would have been much higher, so how do we open up the country without driving those numbers into millions of cases and hundreds of thousands of deaths? There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure put on the governors to return society to normal which is going to be impossible.

What is going to be very hard is determining what parts of the economy can be brought back without big increase in the number of cases and deaths. Also, allowing selected businesses sectors to reopen while others remain closed is going create a lot of problems and a lot of pissed off people.

1. 37% of the labor force is able to do their jobs from home.
2. Jobs considered essential have never stopped and include Healthcare, non-restaurant food services, shipping by both truck, rail and air, the entire U.S. military and U.S. police force.
3. The two above combine for over 60% of the labor force.
4. The United States is still producing far more food than it eats and there is no one in the food production and distribution services that have stopped working except restaurants. So there are no real food shortages, only setbacks in distribution.
5. For the 40% of the economy that is shut down or close to it, there is no reason to restart it when there will be no customers for those business's anyways. Your not going to really do business until people feel safe again.
6. 70% to 80% of the country supports the lockdowns. Those lockdowns may continue for the next two to three years until a vaccine is found.
7. Germany and Japan survived World War II after being destroyed. Japan was NUKED. Both countries and economies came back though. This is a walk in the park compared to what Germany and Japan experienced during World War II. The economy will eventually come back as it did for Germany and Japan after World War II.
8. While the economy and business will return once the crises is over, you can't bring someone back who is physically dead from covid-19.
9. Trillions of dollars of economic aid is heading towards those who have lost jobs. If you can take 1/3 of the workforce out of their jobs in World War II and pay them to go overseas and shoot people, you can pay 1/3 of the workforce to SIT AT HOME!

But they ain't stayin.

More and more we are finding out that people are sneaking out and having fun and working and not getting sick.

Why don't you go fix New York and New Jersey and leave South Dakota alone ?

70 to 80% is bullshit. They ain't doing it.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Had to drop by something to someone's house.

Handed it off throug the window of my car.

While chatting at a distance....two other families showed up...kids got out and all played (about 11 of them) on the front lawn.

One of my friends says he fucking had it with this shit and he's going everywhere that is opened that he has been avoiding.

Our leadership in our state has lost all credibility.

 

[U2Edge]

Statistics through April 20. Still going up especially in the US. Our infection rate passes France.
Spain has eclipsed the 200,000 mark, which we passed on April 1st.

World 2,480,503 +73,928 170,397 +5,366 646,328 1,663,778 56,763 318 21.9 USA 792,759 +28,123 42,514 +1,939 72,389 677,856 13,951 2,395 128 4,026,360 12,164 Italy 181,228 +2,256 24,114 +454 48,877 108,237 2,573 2,997 399 1,398,024 23,122 Spain 200,210 +1,536 20,852 +399 80,587 98,771 7,371 4,282 446 930,230 19,896 France 155,383 +2,489 20,265 +547 37,409 97,709 5,683 2,380 310 463,662 7,103 UK 124,743 +4,676 16,509 +449 N/A 107,890 1,559 1,838 243 501,379 7,386 Belgium 39,983 +1,487 5,828 +145 8,895 25,260 1,071 3,450 503 161,896 13,969 Iran 83,505 +1,294 5,209 +91 59,273 19,023 3,389 994 62 353,012 4,203 Germany 147,065 +1,323 4,862 +220 91,500 50,703 2,889 1,755 58 1,728,357 20,629 China 82,747 +12 4,632 77,084 1,031 81 57 3 Netherlands 33,405 +750 3,751 +67 N/A 29,404 1,158 1,950 219 171,415 10,004 Brazil 40,743 +2,089 2,587 +125 22,130 16,026 7,919 192 12 291,922 1,373 Turkey 90,980 +4,674 2,140 +123 13,430 75,410 1,909 1,079 25 673,980 7,991 Canada 36,829 +1,773 1,690 +103 12,586 22,553 557 976 45 559,578 14,826

Well, that must mean it's time to remove all restrictions, send everybody back to work, return to life as normal, and see just how high we can drive new cases and deaths.

Why is it that you dicks go right to that line.

There is no room for a reasonable conversation with you.

If someone doesn't like your way or agree with it, you get the hyperbole virus.

Fuck off.

There is certainly room for reasonable conversation. However, what is reasonable is certainly debatable. If we don't start opening up the country soon, the economy is going to collapse and usher in food shortages, riots, and all kinds of bad stuff. On the other hand, we have to keep in mind that we are a long way from bringing the virus under control. Just 8 weeks ago, there were 35 known case and no deaths in the country. Today those cases have grown 800,000 and 42,000 deaths. That is pretty fucking amazing! If you had come on this board 8 weeks ago and said we'll have 42,000 deaths due to the virus in 2 months, people would think you're nuts.

Without social distancing and shutting down businesses, those numbers would have been much higher, so how do we open up the country without driving those numbers into millions of cases and hundreds of thousands of deaths? There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure put on the governors to return society to normal which is going to be impossible.

What is going to be very hard is determining what parts of the economy can be brought back without big increase in the number of cases and deaths. Also, allowing selected businesses sectors to reopen while others remain closed is going create a lot of problems and a lot of pissed off people.

1. 37% of the labor force is able to do their jobs from home.
2. Jobs considered essential have never stopped and include Healthcare, non-restaurant food services, shipping by both truck, rail and air, the entire U.S. military and U.S. police force.
3. The two above combine for over 60% of the labor force.
4. The United States is still producing far more food than it eats and there is no one in the food production and distribution services that have stopped working except restaurants. So there are no real food shortages, only setbacks in distribution.
5. For the 40% of the economy that is shut down or close to it, there is no reason to restart it when there will be no customers for those business's anyways. Your not going to really do business until people feel safe again.
6. 70% to 80% of the country supports the lockdowns. Those lockdowns may continue for the next two to three years until a vaccine is found.
7. Germany and Japan survived World War II after being destroyed. Japan was NUKED. Both countries and economies came back though. This is a walk in the park compared to what Germany and Japan experienced during World War II. The economy will eventually come back as it did for Germany and Japan after World War II.
8. While the economy and business will return once the crises is over, you can't bring someone back who is physically dead from covid-19.
9. Trillions of dollars of economic aid is heading towards those who have lost jobs. If you can take 1/3 of the workforce out of their jobs in World War II and pay them to go overseas and shoot people, you can pay 1/3 of the workforce to SIT AT HOME!

But they ain't stayin.

More and more we are finding out that people are sneaking out and having fun and working and not getting sick.

Why don't you go fix New York and New Jersey and leave South Dakota alone ?

70 to 80% is bullshit. They ain't doing it.

So you say? Evidence, proof? Nothing. Scientific polling shows most people support the lockdown and follow it. You can see it in reduced pollution rates all over the country.

Follow the data and the SCIENCE, that tells you what is really going on. What you see on a car ride locally or from a window in your home, is proof of nothing.

The Pathogen likes hosts and it gets more hosts when people don't isolate.

The United States has the 11th highest infection rate per capita in the world and the 12th highest death rate per capita in the world.

Until new cases are brought down to a level that can be tested, tracked, contact traced and all potentially infected people located and isolated, people violating lockdowns are simply aiding the pathogen and killing more Americans. They may not get sick or show any symptoms, but they allow the pathogen to ride in them and spread to someone the pathogen can harm and even kill.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Statistics through April 20. Still going up especially in the US. Our infection rate passes France.
Spain has eclipsed the 200,000 mark, which we passed on April 1st.

World 2,480,503 +73,928 170,397 +5,366 646,328 1,663,778 56,763 318 21.9 USA 792,759 +28,123 42,514 +1,939 72,389 677,856 13,951 2,395 128 4,026,360 12,164 Italy 181,228 +2,256 24,114 +454 48,877 108,237 2,573 2,997 399 1,398,024 23,122 Spain 200,210 +1,536 20,852 +399 80,587 98,771 7,371 4,282 446 930,230 19,896 France 155,383 +2,489 20,265 +547 37,409 97,709 5,683 2,380 310 463,662 7,103 UK 124,743 +4,676 16,509 +449 N/A 107,890 1,559 1,838 243 501,379 7,386 Belgium 39,983 +1,487 5,828 +145 8,895 25,260 1,071 3,450 503 161,896 13,969 Iran 83,505 +1,294 5,209 +91 59,273 19,023 3,389 994 62 353,012 4,203 Germany 147,065 +1,323 4,862 +220 91,500 50,703 2,889 1,755 58 1,728,357 20,629 China 82,747 +12 4,632 77,084 1,031 81 57 3 Netherlands 33,405 +750 3,751 +67 N/A 29,404 1,158 1,950 219 171,415 10,004 Brazil 40,743 +2,089 2,587 +125 22,130 16,026 7,919 192 12 291,922 1,373 Turkey 90,980 +4,674 2,140 +123 13,430 75,410 1,909 1,079 25 673,980 7,991 Canada 36,829 +1,773 1,690 +103 12,586 22,553 557 976 45 559,578 14,826

Well, that must mean it's time to remove all restrictions, send everybody back to work, return to life as normal, and see just how high we can drive new cases and deaths.

Why is it that you dicks go right to that line.

There is no room for a reasonable conversation with you.

If someone doesn't like your way or agree with it, you get the hyperbole virus.

Fuck off.

There is certainly room for reasonable conversation. However, what is reasonable is certainly debatable. If we don't start opening up the country soon, the economy is going to collapse and usher in food shortages, riots, and all kinds of bad stuff. On the other hand, we have to keep in mind that we are a long way from bringing the virus under control. Just 8 weeks ago, there were 35 known case and no deaths in the country. Today those cases have grown 800,000 and 42,000 deaths. That is pretty fucking amazing! If you had come on this board 8 weeks ago and said we'll have 42,000 deaths due to the virus in 2 months, people would think you're nuts.

Without social distancing and shutting down businesses, those numbers would have been much higher, so how do we open up the country without driving those numbers into millions of cases and hundreds of thousands of deaths? There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure put on the governors to return society to normal which is going to be impossible.

What is going to be very hard is determining what parts of the economy can be brought back without big increase in the number of cases and deaths. Also, allowing selected businesses sectors to reopen while others remain closed is going create a lot of problems and a lot of pissed off people.

1. 37% of the labor force is able to do their jobs from home.
2. Jobs considered essential have never stopped and include Healthcare, non-restaurant food services, shipping by both truck, rail and air, the entire U.S. military and U.S. police force.
3. The two above combine for over 60% of the labor force.
4. The United States is still producing far more food than it eats and there is no one in the food production and distribution services that have stopped working except restaurants. So there are no real food shortages, only setbacks in distribution.
5. For the 40% of the economy that is shut down or close to it, there is no reason to restart it when there will be no customers for those business's anyways. Your not going to really do business until people feel safe again.
6. 70% to 80% of the country supports the lockdowns. Those lockdowns may continue for the next two to three years until a vaccine is found.
7. Germany and Japan survived World War II after being destroyed. Japan was NUKED. Both countries and economies came back though. This is a walk in the park compared to what Germany and Japan experienced during World War II. The economy will eventually come back as it did for Germany and Japan after World War II.
8. While the economy and business will return once the crises is over, you can't bring someone back who is physically dead from covid-19.
9. Trillions of dollars of economic aid is heading towards those who have lost jobs. If you can take 1/3 of the workforce out of their jobs in World War II and pay them to go overseas and shoot people, you can pay 1/3 of the workforce to SIT AT HOME!

But they ain't stayin.

More and more we are finding out that people are sneaking out and having fun and working and not getting sick.

Why don't you go fix New York and New Jersey and leave South Dakota alone ?

70 to 80% is bullshit. They ain't doing it.

So you say? Evidence, proof? Nothing. Scientific polling shows most people support the lockdown and follow it. You can see it in reduced pollution rates all over the country.

Follow the data and the SCIENCE, that tells you what is really going on. What you see on a car ride locally or from a window in your home, is proof of nothing.

The Pathogen likes hosts and it gets more hosts when people don't isolate.

The United States has the 11th highest infection rate per capita in the world and the 12th highest death rate per capita in the world.

Until new cases are brought down to a level that can be tested, tracked, contact traced and all potentially infected people located and isolated, people violating lockdowns are simply aiding the pathogen and killing more Americans. They may not get sick or show any symptoms, but they allow the pathogen to ride in them and spread to someone the pathogen can harm and even kill.

Yep, I've lived it. ABC is reporting on it. I don't give a fuck what people say....polls said Clinton would win too. I am not saying things have not slowed down. But shelter in place is NOT being strictly observed. I can attest to that watching a city of 500,000 people being fairly active on golf courses, filling up stores and filling up parks.

There is no data and there is no science that tells us anything. You are lapping up a fairy tale. Any pathogen likes to spread. It's what they do. But they ain't spreading like you said they would and the people who know they are dying can't seem to figure out why. What the hell is wrong with New York ? Your faith in overwhelmed hospitals has not materialized. And you yourself report statistics that are bullshit. The world is showing us something different too. Some places are not locking down and are not having issues beyond what others are having. Sweden is just such a case. They have more deaths than Norway or Finland, but they have fewer cases than Norway on an age adjusted basis. If testing is an issue, they YOU REALLY HAVE NO FUCKING SCIENCE AT ALL.

If New York, New Jersey, Penn, Conn, and a couple of others are pulled out...the numbers look a whole lot different. You have 18 states that have less than 100 deaths total since the start. So the infection rate is bullshit. It may be that way in New York...but not in AZ.

Until Until Until Until.....America is heading out. Get used to it. Hide in your mothers basement until you are sure you won't ever get sick...and you'll be there forever.

This thing will reach everybody eventually.

Deal with it.

 

[Pogo]

So, it's hard to tell those states to stay put when they are not like New York.

If states were vacuum-sealed vaults where nobody ever goes in or out to another state, that might make sense.
They're not.
Hell I can see the mountains that separate me from Tennessee, just as Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house. I don't actually GO there, mind you, because we're cleaner on this side than they are and I'm not going to be the one to bring it back.

Does it not occur to you to wonder why TRAVEL gets restricted?

What the fuck is wrong with the North East. They've been dying long enough. What have they not figured out yet.

You've never been to the northeast apparently. We call it the "megalopolis", the span between roughly Boston to Washington and the attendant suburbs, Forty-four million people live in that expanse, the most densely populated area of this country by far. Once again --- travel and transmission. When you have shorter distances between people, whether standing in close proximity or a densely-packed community ---- the virus has a much easier, because much shorter, trip from person to person.

It's hard to believe we still have to sit here and explain this.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Our leadership in our state has lost all credibility

All thanks to the failure in leadership from the top.

 

[Pogo]

Just for the record to keep up --- yesterday's final totals.

A measure of our rate can be ascertained looking at "New Cases" and "New Deaths". With less than five percent of the world's population (4.25), the US has a quarter of its new infections and just under 40% of its new deaths.

Country, Other Total Cases New Cases Total Deaths New Deaths Total Recovered Active Cases Serious, Critical Tot Cases/ 1M pop Deaths/ 1M pop Total Tests Tests/ 1M pop World 2,555,760 +75,254 177,459 +7,062 690,226 1,688,075 57,254 328 22.8 USA 818,744 +25,985 45,318 +2,804 82,923 690,503 14,016 2,474 137 4,187,392 12,651 Spain 204,178 +3,968 21,282 +430 82,514 100,382 7,705 4,367 455 930,230 19,896 Italy 183,957 +2,729 24,648 +534 51,600 107,709 2,471 3,043 408 1,450,150 23,985 France 158,050 +2,667 20,796 +531 39,181 98,073 5,433 2,421 319 463,662 7,103 Germany 148,453 +1,388 5,086 +224 95,200 48,167 2,889 1,772 61 1,728,357 20,629 UK 129,044 +4,301 17,337 +828 N/A 111,363 1,559 1,901 255 535,342 7,886 Turkey 95,591 +4,611 2,259 +119 14,918 78,414 1,865 1,133 27 713,409 8,459 Iran 84,802 +1,297 5,297 +88 60,965 18,540 3,357 1,010 63 365,723 4,354 China 82,758 +11 4,632 77,123 1,003 82 57 3 Russia 52,763 +5,642 456 +51 3,873 48,434 700 362 3 2,142,604 14,682 Brazil 43,079 +2,336 2,741 +154 24,325 16,013 8,318 203 13 291,922 1,373 Belgium 40,956 +973 5,998 +170 9,002 25,956 1,079 3,534 518 167,110 14,419 Canada 38,422 +1,593 1,834 +144 13,188 23,400 557 1,018 49 569,878 15,099

 

[Sun Devil 92]

So, it's hard to tell those states to stay put when they are not like New York.

If states were vacuum-sealed vaults where nobody ever goes in or out to another state, that might make sense.
They're not.
Hell I can see the mountains that separate me from Tennessee, just as Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house. I don't actually GO there, mind you, because we're cleaner on this side than they are and I'm not going to be the one to bring it back.

Does it not occur to you to wonder why TRAVEL gets restricted?

What the fuck is wrong with the North East. They've been dying long enough. What have they not figured out yet.

You've never been to the northeast apparently. We call it the "megalopolis", the span between roughly Boston to Washington and the attendant suburbs, Forty-four million people live in that expanse, the most densely populated area of this country by far. Once again --- travel and transmission. When you have shorter distances between people, whether standing in close proximity or a densely-packed community ---- the virus has a much easier, because much shorter, trip from person to person.

It's hard to believe we still have to sit here and explain this.

I've been there plenty and yes....it is cramped.

I think I've already asked the question then......

It the current thinking that the Northeast will continue to die (what they are doing is not working very well) until the density goes down or will they be trying something different.

Otherwise, there is no sense talking about much with regards to them.....they will stay the course and diminish in numbers.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Just for the record to keep up --- yesterday's final totals.

A measure of our rate can be ascertained looking at "New Cases" and "New Deaths". With less than five percent of the world's population (4.25), the US has a quarter of its new infections and just under 40% of its new deaths.

Country, Other Total Cases New Cases Total Deaths New Deaths Total Recovered Active Cases Serious, Critical Tot Cases/ 1M pop Deaths/ 1M pop Total Tests Tests/ 1M pop World 2,555,760 +75,254 177,459 +7,062 690,226 1,688,075 57,254 328 22.8 USA 818,744 +25,985 45,318 +2,804 82,923 690,503 14,016 2,474 137 4,187,392 12,651 Spain 204,178 +3,968 21,282 +430 82,514 100,382 7,705 4,367 455 930,230 19,896 Italy 183,957 +2,729 24,648 +534 51,600 107,709 2,471 3,043 408 1,450,150 23,985 France 158,050 +2,667 20,796 +531 39,181 98,073 5,433 2,421 319 463,662 7,103 Germany 148,453 +1,388 5,086 +224 95,200 48,167 2,889 1,772 61 1,728,357 20,629 UK 129,044 +4,301 17,337 +828 N/A 111,363 1,559 1,901 255 535,342 7,886 Turkey 95,591 +4,611 2,259 +119 14,918 78,414 1,865 1,133 27 713,409 8,459 Iran 84,802 +1,297 5,297 +88 60,965 18,540 3,357 1,010 63 365,723 4,354 China 82,758 +11 4,632 77,123 1,003 82 57 3 Russia 52,763 +5,642 456 +51 3,873 48,434 700 362 3 2,142,604 14,682 Brazil 43,079 +2,336 2,741 +154 24,325 16,013 8,318 203 13 291,922 1,373 Belgium 40,956 +973 5,998 +170 9,002 25,956 1,079 3,534 518 167,110 14,419 Canada 38,422 +1,593 1,834 +144 13,188 23,400 557 1,018 49 569,878 15,099

Already posted the New England contribution.

 

[Pogo]

Just for the record to keep up --- yesterday's final totals.

A measure of our rate can be ascertained looking at "New Cases" and "New Deaths". With less than five percent of the world's population (4.25), the US has a quarter of its new infections and just under 40% of its new deaths.

Country, Other Total Cases New Cases Total Deaths New Deaths Total Recovered Active Cases Serious, Critical Tot Cases/ 1M pop Deaths/ 1M pop Total Tests Tests/ 1M pop World 2,555,760 +75,254 177,459 +7,062 690,226 1,688,075 57,254 328 22.8 USA 818,744 +25,985 45,318 +2,804 82,923 690,503 14,016 2,474 137 4,187,392 12,651 Spain 204,178 +3,968 21,282 +430 82,514 100,382 7,705 4,367 455 930,230 19,896 Italy 183,957 +2,729 24,648 +534 51,600 107,709 2,471 3,043 408 1,450,150 23,985 France 158,050 +2,667 20,796 +531 39,181 98,073 5,433 2,421 319 463,662 7,103 Germany 148,453 +1,388 5,086 +224 95,200 48,167 2,889 1,772 61 1,728,357 20,629 UK 129,044 +4,301 17,337 +828 N/A 111,363 1,559 1,901 255 535,342 7,886 Turkey 95,591 +4,611 2,259 +119 14,918 78,414 1,865 1,133 27 713,409 8,459 Iran 84,802 +1,297 5,297 +88 60,965 18,540 3,357 1,010 63 365,723 4,354 China 82,758 +11 4,632 77,123 1,003 82 57 3 Russia 52,763 +5,642 456 +51 3,873 48,434 700 362 3 2,142,604 14,682 Brazil 43,079 +2,336 2,741 +154 24,325 16,013 8,318 203 13 291,922 1,373 Belgium 40,956 +973 5,998 +170 9,002 25,956 1,079 3,534 518 167,110 14,419 Canada 38,422 +1,593 1,834 +144 13,188 23,400 557 1,018 49 569,878 15,099

Already posted the New England contribution.

This would be relevant in what way?

 

[Pogo]

Worldometers now has continental tabs. Here's a comparison of North America.
Note the "shithole countries".

Country, Other Total Cases New Cases Total Deaths New Deaths Total Recovered Active Cases Serious, Critical Tot Cases/ 1M pop Deaths/ 1M pop Total Tests Tests/ 1M pop North America 879,867 +28,468 48,436 +3,003 100,410 731,021 15,276 USA 818,744 +25,985 45,318 +2,804 82,923 690,503 14,016 2,474 137 4,187,392 12,651 Canada 38,422 +1,593 1,834 +144 13,188 23,400 557 1,018 49 569,878 15,099 Mexico 8,772 +511 712 +26 2,627 5,433 378 68 6 49,570 384 Dominican Republic 5,044 +80 245 +10 463 4,336 126 465 23 16,973 1,565 Panama 4,658 +191 136 +10 204 4,318 98 1,080 32 20,996 4,866 Cuba 1,137 +50 38 +2 309 790 18 100 3 30,416 2,685 Costa Rica 669 +7 6 150 513 6 131 1 11,387 2,235 Honduras 494 +17 46 29 419 10 50 5 2,535 256 Guatemala 294 +5 7 24 263 3 16 0.4 7,200 402 Jamaica 228 +5 6 +1 27 195 77 2 1,889 638 El Salvador 225 +7 7 48 170 2 35 1 13,352 2,059 Martinique 163 14 +2 73 76 11 434 37 Guadeloupe 148 12 +4 73 63 13 370 30 Trinidad and Tobago 115 +1 8 28 79 82 6 1,393 995 Bermuda 98 +9 5 39 54 10 1,574 80 877 14,082 Aruba 97 2 51 44 4 909 19 1,445 13,534 Barbados 75 5 25 45 4 261 17 1,098 3,821 Sint Maarten 68 +1 10 12 46 6 1,586 233 249 5,807 Cayman Islands 66 1 7 58 3 1,004 15 778 11,838 Bahamas 65 +5 9 12 44 1 165 23 Haiti 57 3 54 5 0.3 618 54 Saint Martin 38 +1 2 19 17 3 983 52 Antigua and Barbuda 23 3 7 13 1 235 31 108 1,103 Belize 18 2 2 14 1 45 5 651 1,637 Dominica 16 8 8 222 345 4,793 Saint Kitts and Nevis 15 15 282 247 4,643 Saint Lucia 15 13 2 82 364 1,982 Curaçao 14 1 11 2 85 6 286 1,743 Grenada 14 6 8 4 124 92 818 St. Vincent Grenadines 12 2 10 108 94 847 Turks and Caicos 11 1 10 284 26 83 2,144 Greenland 11 11 0 194 1,150 20,257 Montserrat 11 2 9 1 2,204 36 7,212 Nicaragua 10 2 7 1 2 0.3

 

[XponentialChaos]

Almost 26,000 new cases and over 1,900 new deaths today. So far.

This is not going well, in my opinion. New cases are still piling up. In some form or another, we're going to be in this mess for a while before things truly get back to what we considered "normal".

 

[Flopper]

Statistics through April 20. Still going up especially in the US. Our infection rate passes France.
Spain has eclipsed the 200,000 mark, which we passed on April 1st.

World 2,480,503 +73,928 170,397 +5,366 646,328 1,663,778 56,763 318 21.9 USA 792,759 +28,123 42,514 +1,939 72,389 677,856 13,951 2,395 128 4,026,360 12,164 Italy 181,228 +2,256 24,114 +454 48,877 108,237 2,573 2,997 399 1,398,024 23,122 Spain 200,210 +1,536 20,852 +399 80,587 98,771 7,371 4,282 446 930,230 19,896 France 155,383 +2,489 20,265 +547 37,409 97,709 5,683 2,380 310 463,662 7,103 UK 124,743 +4,676 16,509 +449 N/A 107,890 1,559 1,838 243 501,379 7,386 Belgium 39,983 +1,487 5,828 +145 8,895 25,260 1,071 3,450 503 161,896 13,969 Iran 83,505 +1,294 5,209 +91 59,273 19,023 3,389 994 62 353,012 4,203 Germany 147,065 +1,323 4,862 +220 91,500 50,703 2,889 1,755 58 1,728,357 20,629 China 82,747 +12 4,632 77,084 1,031 81 57 3 Netherlands 33,405 +750 3,751 +67 N/A 29,404 1,158 1,950 219 171,415 10,004 Brazil 40,743 +2,089 2,587 +125 22,130 16,026 7,919 192 12 291,922 1,373 Turkey 90,980 +4,674 2,140 +123 13,430 75,410 1,909 1,079 25 673,980 7,991 Canada 36,829 +1,773 1,690 +103 12,586 22,553 557 976 45 559,578 14,826

Well, that must mean it's time to remove all restrictions, send everybody back to work, return to life as normal, and see just how high we can drive new cases and deaths.

Why is it that you dicks go right to that line.

There is no room for a reasonable conversation with you.

If someone doesn't like your way or agree with it, you get the hyperbole virus.

Fuck off.

There is certainly room for reasonable conversation. However, what is reasonable is certainly debatable. If we don't start opening up the country soon, the economy is going to collapse and usher in food shortages, riots, and all kinds of bad stuff. On the other hand, we have to keep in mind that we are a long way from bringing the virus under control. Just 8 weeks ago, there were 35 known case and no deaths in the country. Today those cases have grown 800,000 and 42,000 deaths. That is pretty fucking amazing! If you had come on this board 8 weeks ago and said we'll have 42,000 deaths due to the virus in 2 months, people would think you're nuts.

Without social distancing and shutting down businesses, those numbers would have been much higher, so how do we open up the country without driving those numbers into millions of cases and hundreds of thousands of deaths? There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure put on the governors to return society to normal which is going to be impossible.

What is going to be very hard is determining what parts of the economy can be brought back without big increase in the number of cases and deaths. Also, allowing selected businesses sectors to reopen while others remain closed is going create a lot of problems and a lot of pissed off people.

I'll go with most of what you've said.

Today's death total of 2,800

1,600 came from NY+NJ+NE

Michigan added another 350 between them.

Cali seems to be regressing. (75)

There are still 18 states with less than 100 deaths total (several below 50).

So, it's hard to tell those states to stay put when they are not like New York.

People will say "We don't want you to become like New York" and they are saying fuck off. We'll take our chances (and they already have as has been documented on this board).

We are all going to see it eventually. The goal was to flatten out the curve.

What the fuck is wrong with the North East. They've been dying long enough. What have they not figured out yet.

Or are they not really helping either.

Well, it may be hard for a governor to tell his state or a community that has not been hit by the virus why they need to stay put, but it will be a lot harder to explain removing restrictions that ushered in an epidemic. If Florida opens their beeches and resorts, New Yorkers are going flood the state bringing the virus with them. In fact, that's likely to happen in many states. I can hardly wait for Wyoming and Montana to open up.

 

[Flopper]

Statistics through April 20. Still going up especially in the US. Our infection rate passes France.
Spain has eclipsed the 200,000 mark, which we passed on April 1st.

World 2,480,503 +73,928 170,397 +5,366 646,328 1,663,778 56,763 318 21.9 USA 792,759 +28,123 42,514 +1,939 72,389 677,856 13,951 2,395 128 4,026,360 12,164 Italy 181,228 +2,256 24,114 +454 48,877 108,237 2,573 2,997 399 1,398,024 23,122 Spain 200,210 +1,536 20,852 +399 80,587 98,771 7,371 4,282 446 930,230 19,896 France 155,383 +2,489 20,265 +547 37,409 97,709 5,683 2,380 310 463,662 7,103 UK 124,743 +4,676 16,509 +449 N/A 107,890 1,559 1,838 243 501,379 7,386 Belgium 39,983 +1,487 5,828 +145 8,895 25,260 1,071 3,450 503 161,896 13,969 Iran 83,505 +1,294 5,209 +91 59,273 19,023 3,389 994 62 353,012 4,203 Germany 147,065 +1,323 4,862 +220 91,500 50,703 2,889 1,755 58 1,728,357 20,629 China 82,747 +12 4,632 77,084 1,031 81 57 3 Netherlands 33,405 +750 3,751 +67 N/A 29,404 1,158 1,950 219 171,415 10,004 Brazil 40,743 +2,089 2,587 +125 22,130 16,026 7,919 192 12 291,922 1,373 Turkey 90,980 +4,674 2,140 +123 13,430 75,410 1,909 1,079 25 673,980 7,991 Canada 36,829 +1,773 1,690 +103 12,586 22,553 557 976 45 559,578 14,826

Well, that must mean it's time to remove all restrictions, send everybody back to work, return to life as normal, and see just how high we can drive new cases and deaths.

Why is it that you dicks go right to that line.

There is no room for a reasonable conversation with you.

If someone doesn't like your way or agree with it, you get the hyperbole virus.

Fuck off.

There is certainly room for reasonable conversation. However, what is reasonable is certainly debatable. If we don't start opening up the country soon, the economy is going to collapse and usher in food shortages, riots, and all kinds of bad stuff. On the other hand, we have to keep in mind that we are a long way from bringing the virus under control. Just 8 weeks ago, there were 35 known case and no deaths in the country. Today those cases have grown 800,000 and 42,000 deaths. That is pretty fucking amazing! If you had come on this board 8 weeks ago and said we'll have 42,000 deaths due to the virus in 2 months, people would think you're nuts.

Without social distancing and shutting down businesses, those numbers would have been much higher, so how do we open up the country without driving those numbers into millions of cases and hundreds of thousands of deaths? There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure put on the governors to return society to normal which is going to be impossible.

What is going to be very hard is determining what parts of the economy can be brought back without big increase in the number of cases and deaths. Also, allowing selected businesses sectors to reopen while others remain closed is going create a lot of problems and a lot of pissed off people.

1. 37% of the labor force is able to do their jobs from home.
2. Jobs considered essential have never stopped and include Healthcare, non-restaurant food services, shipping by both truck, rail and air, the entire U.S. military and U.S. police force.
3. The two above combine for over 60% of the labor force.
4. The United States is still producing far more food than it eats and there is no one in the food production and distribution services that have stopped working except restaurants. So there are no real food shortages, only setbacks in distribution.
5. For the 40% of the economy that is shut down or close to it, there is no reason to restart it when there will be no customers for those business's anyways. Your not going to really do business until people feel safe again.
6. 70% to 80% of the country supports the lockdowns. Those lockdowns may continue for the next two to three years until a vaccine is found.
7. Germany and Japan survived World War II after being destroyed. Japan was NUKED. Both countries and economies came back though. This is a walk in the park compared to what Germany and Japan experienced during World War II. The economy will eventually come back as it did for Germany and Japan after World War II.
8. While the economy and business will return once the crises is over, you can't bring someone back who is physically dead from covid-19.
9. Trillions of dollars of economic aid is heading towards those who have lost jobs. If you can take 1/3 of the workforce out of their jobs in World War II and pay them to go overseas and shoot people, you can pay 1/3 of the workforce to SIT AT HOME!

But they ain't stayin.

More and more we are finding out that people are sneaking out and having fun and working and not getting sick.

Why don't you go fix New York and New Jersey and leave South Dakota alone ?

70 to 80% is bullshit. They ain't doing it.

Because if South Dakota opens up, there will be a flood of people pouring into the state spreading the virus. There is probably no better way to spread the virus than having states and communities that have had few cases lift restrictions while other communities and states stay lock down.

 

[Flopper]

Statistics through April 20. Still going up especially in the US. Our infection rate passes France.
Spain has eclipsed the 200,000 mark, which we passed on April 1st.

World 2,480,503 +73,928 170,397 +5,366 646,328 1,663,778 56,763 318 21.9 USA 792,759 +28,123 42,514 +1,939 72,389 677,856 13,951 2,395 128 4,026,360 12,164 Italy 181,228 +2,256 24,114 +454 48,877 108,237 2,573 2,997 399 1,398,024 23,122 Spain 200,210 +1,536 20,852 +399 80,587 98,771 7,371 4,282 446 930,230 19,896 France 155,383 +2,489 20,265 +547 37,409 97,709 5,683 2,380 310 463,662 7,103 UK 124,743 +4,676 16,509 +449 N/A 107,890 1,559 1,838 243 501,379 7,386 Belgium 39,983 +1,487 5,828 +145 8,895 25,260 1,071 3,450 503 161,896 13,969 Iran 83,505 +1,294 5,209 +91 59,273 19,023 3,389 994 62 353,012 4,203 Germany 147,065 +1,323 4,862 +220 91,500 50,703 2,889 1,755 58 1,728,357 20,629 China 82,747 +12 4,632 77,084 1,031 81 57 3 Netherlands 33,405 +750 3,751 +67 N/A 29,404 1,158 1,950 219 171,415 10,004 Brazil 40,743 +2,089 2,587 +125 22,130 16,026 7,919 192 12 291,922 1,373 Turkey 90,980 +4,674 2,140 +123 13,430 75,410 1,909 1,079 25 673,980 7,991 Canada 36,829 +1,773 1,690 +103 12,586 22,553 557 976 45 559,578 14,826

Well, that must mean it's time to remove all restrictions, send everybody back to work, return to life as normal, and see just how high we can drive new cases and deaths.

Why is it that you dicks go right to that line.

There is no room for a reasonable conversation with you.

If someone doesn't like your way or agree with it, you get the hyperbole virus.

Fuck off.

There is certainly room for reasonable conversation. However, what is reasonable is certainly debatable. If we don't start opening up the country soon, the economy is going to collapse and usher in food shortages, riots, and all kinds of bad stuff. On the other hand, we have to keep in mind that we are a long way from bringing the virus under control. Just 8 weeks ago, there were 35 known case and no deaths in the country. Today those cases have grown 800,000 and 42,000 deaths. That is pretty fucking amazing! If you had come on this board 8 weeks ago and said we'll have 42,000 deaths due to the virus in 2 months, people would think you're nuts.

Without social distancing and shutting down businesses, those numbers would have been much higher, so how do we open up the country without driving those numbers into millions of cases and hundreds of thousands of deaths? There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure put on the governors to return society to normal which is going to be impossible.

What is going to be very hard is determining what parts of the economy can be brought back without big increase in the number of cases and deaths. Also, allowing selected businesses sectors to reopen while others remain closed is going create a lot of problems and a lot of pissed off people.

1. 37% of the labor force is able to do their jobs from home.
2. Jobs considered essential have never stopped and include Healthcare, non-restaurant food services, shipping by both truck, rail and air, the entire U.S. military and U.S. police force.
3. The two above combine for over 60% of the labor force.
4. The United States is still producing far more food than it eats and there is no one in the food production and distribution services that have stopped working except restaurants. So there are no real food shortages, only setbacks in distribution.
5. For the 40% of the economy that is shut down or close to it, there is no reason to restart it when there will be no customers for those business's anyways. Your not going to really do business until people feel safe again.
6. 70% to 80% of the country supports the lockdowns. Those lockdowns may continue for the next two to three years until a vaccine is found.
7. Germany and Japan survived World War II after being destroyed. Japan was NUKED. Both countries and economies came back though. This is a walk in the park compared to what Germany and Japan experienced during World War II. The economy will eventually come back as it did for Germany and Japan after World War II.
8. While the economy and business will return once the crises is over, you can't bring someone back who is physically dead from covid-19.
9. Trillions of dollars of economic aid is heading towards those who have lost jobs. If you can take 1/3 of the workforce out of their jobs in World War II and pay them to go overseas and shoot people, you can pay 1/3 of the workforce to SIT AT HOME!

But they ain't stayin.

More and more we are finding out that people are sneaking out and having fun and working and not getting sick.

Why don't you go fix New York and New Jersey and leave South Dakota alone ?

70 to 80% is bullshit. They ain't doing it.

Maybe that is the case where you are but in my area people are obeying the shutdown rules. Not everyone of course but we can be successful even thou some people are willing risk their lives and that of others. A public health offical said if we have 85% compliance, we will be successful. ---

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Statistics through April 20. Still going up especially in the US. Our infection rate passes France.
Spain has eclipsed the 200,000 mark, which we passed on April 1st.

World 2,480,503 +73,928 170,397 +5,366 646,328 1,663,778 56,763 318 21.9 USA 792,759 +28,123 42,514 +1,939 72,389 677,856 13,951 2,395 128 4,026,360 12,164 Italy 181,228 +2,256 24,114 +454 48,877 108,237 2,573 2,997 399 1,398,024 23,122 Spain 200,210 +1,536 20,852 +399 80,587 98,771 7,371 4,282 446 930,230 19,896 France 155,383 +2,489 20,265 +547 37,409 97,709 5,683 2,380 310 463,662 7,103 UK 124,743 +4,676 16,509 +449 N/A 107,890 1,559 1,838 243 501,379 7,386 Belgium 39,983 +1,487 5,828 +145 8,895 25,260 1,071 3,450 503 161,896 13,969 Iran 83,505 +1,294 5,209 +91 59,273 19,023 3,389 994 62 353,012 4,203 Germany 147,065 +1,323 4,862 +220 91,500 50,703 2,889 1,755 58 1,728,357 20,629 China 82,747 +12 4,632 77,084 1,031 81 57 3 Netherlands 33,405 +750 3,751 +67 N/A 29,404 1,158 1,950 219 171,415 10,004 Brazil 40,743 +2,089 2,587 +125 22,130 16,026 7,919 192 12 291,922 1,373 Turkey 90,980 +4,674 2,140 +123 13,430 75,410 1,909 1,079 25 673,980 7,991 Canada 36,829 +1,773 1,690 +103 12,586 22,553 557 976 45 559,578 14,826

Well, that must mean it's time to remove all restrictions, send everybody back to work, return to life as normal, and see just how high we can drive new cases and deaths.

Why is it that you dicks go right to that line.

There is no room for a reasonable conversation with you.

If someone doesn't like your way or agree with it, you get the hyperbole virus.

Fuck off.

There is certainly room for reasonable conversation. However, what is reasonable is certainly debatable. If we don't start opening up the country soon, the economy is going to collapse and usher in food shortages, riots, and all kinds of bad stuff. On the other hand, we have to keep in mind that we are a long way from bringing the virus under control. Just 8 weeks ago, there were 35 known case and no deaths in the country. Today those cases have grown 800,000 and 42,000 deaths. That is pretty fucking amazing! If you had come on this board 8 weeks ago and said we'll have 42,000 deaths due to the virus in 2 months, people would think you're nuts.

Without social distancing and shutting down businesses, those numbers would have been much higher, so how do we open up the country without driving those numbers into millions of cases and hundreds of thousands of deaths? There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure put on the governors to return society to normal which is going to be impossible.

What is going to be very hard is determining what parts of the economy can be brought back without big increase in the number of cases and deaths. Also, allowing selected businesses sectors to reopen while others remain closed is going create a lot of problems and a lot of pissed off people.

I'll go with most of what you've said.

Today's death total of 2,800

1,600 came from NY+NJ+NE

Michigan added another 350 between them.

Cali seems to be regressing. (75)

There are still 18 states with less than 100 deaths total (several below 50).

So, it's hard to tell those states to stay put when they are not like New York.

People will say "We don't want you to become like New York" and they are saying fuck off. We'll take our chances (and they already have as has been documented on this board).

We are all going to see it eventually. The goal was to flatten out the curve.

What the fuck is wrong with the North East. They've been dying long enough. What have they not figured out yet.

Or are they not really helping either.

Well, it may be hard for a governor to tell his state or a community that has not been hit by the virus why they need to stay put, but it will be a lot harder to explain removing restrictions that ushered in an epidemic. If Florida opens their beeches and resorts, New Yorkers are going flood the state bringing the virus with them. In fact, that's likely to happen in many states. I can hardly wait for Wyoming and Montana to open up.

Opening up does not mean allowing the idiots in New York to go ANYWHERE.

It's reached the point where anyone from New England should be treated like a leper.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Statistics through April 20. Still going up especially in the US. Our infection rate passes France.
Spain has eclipsed the 200,000 mark, which we passed on April 1st.

World 2,480,503 +73,928 170,397 +5,366 646,328 1,663,778 56,763 318 21.9 USA 792,759 +28,123 42,514 +1,939 72,389 677,856 13,951 2,395 128 4,026,360 12,164 Italy 181,228 +2,256 24,114 +454 48,877 108,237 2,573 2,997 399 1,398,024 23,122 Spain 200,210 +1,536 20,852 +399 80,587 98,771 7,371 4,282 446 930,230 19,896 France 155,383 +2,489 20,265 +547 37,409 97,709 5,683 2,380 310 463,662 7,103 UK 124,743 +4,676 16,509 +449 N/A 107,890 1,559 1,838 243 501,379 7,386 Belgium 39,983 +1,487 5,828 +145 8,895 25,260 1,071 3,450 503 161,896 13,969 Iran 83,505 +1,294 5,209 +91 59,273 19,023 3,389 994 62 353,012 4,203 Germany 147,065 +1,323 4,862 +220 91,500 50,703 2,889 1,755 58 1,728,357 20,629 China 82,747 +12 4,632 77,084 1,031 81 57 3 Netherlands 33,405 +750 3,751 +67 N/A 29,404 1,158 1,950 219 171,415 10,004 Brazil 40,743 +2,089 2,587 +125 22,130 16,026 7,919 192 12 291,922 1,373 Turkey 90,980 +4,674 2,140 +123 13,430 75,410 1,909 1,079 25 673,980 7,991 Canada 36,829 +1,773 1,690 +103 12,586 22,553 557 976 45 559,578 14,826

Well, that must mean it's time to remove all restrictions, send everybody back to work, return to life as normal, and see just how high we can drive new cases and deaths.

Why is it that you dicks go right to that line.

There is no room for a reasonable conversation with you.

If someone doesn't like your way or agree with it, you get the hyperbole virus.

Fuck off.

There is certainly room for reasonable conversation. However, what is reasonable is certainly debatable. If we don't start opening up the country soon, the economy is going to collapse and usher in food shortages, riots, and all kinds of bad stuff. On the other hand, we have to keep in mind that we are a long way from bringing the virus under control. Just 8 weeks ago, there were 35 known case and no deaths in the country. Today those cases have grown 800,000 and 42,000 deaths. That is pretty fucking amazing! If you had come on this board 8 weeks ago and said we'll have 42,000 deaths due to the virus in 2 months, people would think you're nuts.

Without social distancing and shutting down businesses, those numbers would have been much higher, so how do we open up the country without driving those numbers into millions of cases and hundreds of thousands of deaths? There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure put on the governors to return society to normal which is going to be impossible.

What is going to be very hard is determining what parts of the economy can be brought back without big increase in the number of cases and deaths. Also, allowing selected businesses sectors to reopen while others remain closed is going create a lot of problems and a lot of pissed off people.

1. 37% of the labor force is able to do their jobs from home.
2. Jobs considered essential have never stopped and include Healthcare, non-restaurant food services, shipping by both truck, rail and air, the entire U.S. military and U.S. police force.
3. The two above combine for over 60% of the labor force.
4. The United States is still producing far more food than it eats and there is no one in the food production and distribution services that have stopped working except restaurants. So there are no real food shortages, only setbacks in distribution.
5. For the 40% of the economy that is shut down or close to it, there is no reason to restart it when there will be no customers for those business's anyways. Your not going to really do business until people feel safe again.
6. 70% to 80% of the country supports the lockdowns. Those lockdowns may continue for the next two to three years until a vaccine is found.
7. Germany and Japan survived World War II after being destroyed. Japan was NUKED. Both countries and economies came back though. This is a walk in the park compared to what Germany and Japan experienced during World War II. The economy will eventually come back as it did for Germany and Japan after World War II.
8. While the economy and business will return once the crises is over, you can't bring someone back who is physically dead from covid-19.
9. Trillions of dollars of economic aid is heading towards those who have lost jobs. If you can take 1/3 of the workforce out of their jobs in World War II and pay them to go overseas and shoot people, you can pay 1/3 of the workforce to SIT AT HOME!

But they ain't stayin.

More and more we are finding out that people are sneaking out and having fun and working and not getting sick.

Why don't you go fix New York and New Jersey and leave South Dakota alone ?

70 to 80% is bullshit. They ain't doing it.

Maybe that is the case where you are but in my area people are obeying the shutdown rules. Not everyone of course but we can be successful even thou some people are willing risk their lives and that of others. A public health offical said if we have 85% compliance, we will be successful. ---

A public health official said.....

Seems they've had a pretty crappy record os of late.

 

[Pogo]

End of the day totals --- not seeing a letup

Country, Other Total Cases New Cases Total Deaths New Deaths Total Recovered Active Cases Serious, Critical Tot Cases/ 1M pop Deaths/ 1M pop Total Tests Tests/ 1M pop World 2,635,716 +79,956 184,066 +6,607 717,444 1,734,206 56,686 338 23.6 USA 848,717 +29,973 47,659 +2,341 84,050 717,008 14,016 2,564 144 4,325,342 13,067 Spain 208,389 +4,211 21,717 +435 85,915 100,757 7,705 4,457 464 930,230 19,896 Italy 187,327 +3,370 25,085 +437 54,543 107,699 2,384 3,098 415 1,513,251 25,028 France 159,877 +1,827 21,340 +544 40,657 97,880 5,218 2,449 327 463,662 7,103 Germany 150,648 +2,195 5,315 +229 99,400 45,933 2,908 1,798 63 2,072,669 24,738 UK 133,495 +4,451 18,100 +763 N/A 115,051 1,559 1,966 267 559,935 8,248 Turkey 98,674 +3,083 2,376 +117 16,477 79,821 1,814 1,170 28 750,944 8,904 Iran 85,996 +1,194 5,391 +94 63,113 17,492 3,311 1,024 64 377,396 4,493 China 82,788 +30 4,632 77,151 1,005 78 58 3 Russia 57,999 +5,236 513 +57 4,420 53,066 700 397 4 2,250,000 15,418 Brazil 45,757 +2,678 2,906 +165 25,318 17,533 8,318 215 14 291,922 1,373 Belgium 41,889 +933 6,262 +264 9,433 26,194 1,020 3,614 540 171,400 14,789 Canada 40,190 +1,768 1,974 +140 13,986 24,230 557 1,065 52 612,192 16,220