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Harvard Study: No Correlation Between Gun Control and Less Violent Crime

A Harvard Study titled "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?" looks at figures for "intentional deaths" throughout continental Europe and juxtaposes them with the U.S. to show that more gun control does not necessarily lead to lower death rates or violent crime.

Because the findings so clearly demonstrate that more gun laws may in fact increase death rates, the study says that "the mantra that more guns mean more deaths and that fewer guns, therefore, mean fewer deaths" is wrong.

For example, when the study shows numbers for Eastern European gun ownership and corresponding murder rates, it is readily apparent that less guns to do not mean less death. In Russia, where the rate of gun ownership is 4,000 per 100,000 inhabitants, the murder rate was 20.52 per 100,000 in 2002. That same year in Finland, where the rater of gun ownership is exceedingly higher--39,000 per 100,000--the murder rate was almost nill, at 1.98 per 100,000.

The authors of the study conclude that the burden of proof rests on those who claim more guns equal more death and violent crime; such proponents should "at the very least [be able] to show a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that impose stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide)." But after intense study the authors conclude "those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared around the world."

In fact, the numbers presented in the Harvard study support the contention that among the nations studied, those with more gun control tend toward higher death rates.
 
Nice cherry picking.

US intentional homocide rate 4.8
Canada 1.6
United Kingdom 1.2
Germany 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
France 1.1
New Zealand 0.9
Australia 1.0
Austria 0.6

Let us compare apples to apples. These are the civilized democracies that we consider our peers. We have a murder by gun rate about 4 times greater than most of them.

Having the nation awash in guns, with no laws holding gun owners accountable for their actions is not sane. The CDC can compile statistics on dangers of autos, gas stoves, virtually any item that we use daily, but, thanks to the NRA, they are forbidden from compiling statistics on the damage from guns.
 
We are awash in criminals.

What would be the homicide rate if we didn't have black on black crime or mexican birthday parties?
 
Harvard Study: No Correlation Between Gun Control and Less Violent Crime

A Harvard Study titled "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?" looks at figures for "intentional deaths" throughout continental Europe and juxtaposes them with the U.S. to show that more gun control does not necessarily lead to lower death rates or violent crime.

Because the findings so clearly demonstrate that more gun laws may in fact increase death rates, the study says that "the mantra that more guns mean more deaths and that fewer guns, therefore, mean fewer deaths" is wrong.

For example, when the study shows numbers for Eastern European gun ownership and corresponding murder rates, it is readily apparent that less guns to do not mean less death. In Russia, where the rate of gun ownership is 4,000 per 100,000 inhabitants, the murder rate was 20.52 per 100,000 in 2002. That same year in Finland, where the rater of gun ownership is exceedingly higher--39,000 per 100,000--the murder rate was almost nill, at 1.98 per 100,000.

The authors of the study conclude that the burden of proof rests on those who claim more guns equal more death and violent crime; such proponents should "at the very least [be able] to show a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that impose stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide)." But after intense study the authors conclude "those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared around the world."

In fact, the numbers presented in the Harvard study support the contention that among the nations studied, those with more gun control tend toward higher death rates.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
wait, wut?:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
Did a bunch of anticonstitutionalist liberal elitist :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
actually admit what conservatives have been saying for centuries about arms :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
was correct? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


yea, yea they did.
 
Nice cherry picking.

US intentional homocide rate 4.8
Canada 1.6
United Kingdom 1.2
Germany 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
France 1.1
New Zealand 0.9
Australia 1.0
Austria 0.6

Let us compare apples to apples. These are the civilized democracies that we consider our peers. We have a murder by gun rate about 4 times greater than most of them.

Having the nation awash in guns, with no laws holding gun owners accountable for their actions is not sane. The CDC can compile statistics on dangers of autos, gas stoves, virtually any item that we use daily, but, thanks to the NRA, they are forbidden from compiling statistics on the damage from guns.

uhm, your betters said you're wrong. I know fighting the conditioning is hard. But you must remember that Harvard runs your opinion on most things.

So be a good sheep and get in fucking line.
 
Nice cherry picking.

US intentional homocide rate 4.8
Canada 1.6
United Kingdom 1.2
Germany 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
France 1.1
New Zealand 0.9
Australia 1.0
Austria 0.6

Let us compare apples to apples. These are the civilized democracies that we consider our peers. We have a murder by gun rate about 4 times greater than most of them.

Having the nation awash in guns, with no laws holding gun owners accountable for their actions is not sane. The CDC can compile statistics on dangers of autos, gas stoves, virtually any item that we use daily, but, thanks to the NRA, they are forbidden from compiling statistics on the damage from guns.

Hey Old Cock, have you ever considered that a morally degraded society in it's death throes (US) is more prone to murder people than say happy people in Sweden or elsewhere?
 
Harvard Study: No Correlation Between Gun Control and Less Violent Crime

A Harvard Study titled "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?" looks at figures for "intentional deaths" throughout continental Europe and juxtaposes them with the U.S. to show that more gun control does not necessarily lead to lower death rates or violent crime.

Because the findings so clearly demonstrate that more gun laws may in fact increase death rates, the study says that "the mantra that more guns mean more deaths and that fewer guns, therefore, mean fewer deaths" is wrong.

For example, when the study shows numbers for Eastern European gun ownership and corresponding murder rates, it is readily apparent that less guns to do not mean less death. In Russia, where the rate of gun ownership is 4,000 per 100,000 inhabitants, the murder rate was 20.52 per 100,000 in 2002. That same year in Finland, where the rater of gun ownership is exceedingly higher--39,000 per 100,000--the murder rate was almost nill, at 1.98 per 100,000.

The authors of the study conclude that the burden of proof rests on those who claim more guns equal more death and violent crime; such proponents should "at the very least [be able] to show a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that impose stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide)." But after intense study the authors conclude "those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared around the world."

In fact, the numbers presented in the Harvard study support the contention that among the nations studied, those with more gun control tend toward higher death rates.

Not that the gun grabbers are going to admit they were wrong.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/gener...nning-firearms-reduce-murder-and-suicide.html
 
Nice cherry picking.

US intentional homocide rate 4.8
Canada 1.6
United Kingdom 1.2
Germany 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
France 1.1
New Zealand 0.9
Australia 1.0
Austria 0.6

Let us compare apples to apples. These are the civilized democracies that we consider our peers. We have a murder by gun rate about 4 times greater than most of them.

Having the nation awash in guns, with no laws holding gun owners accountable for their actions is not sane. The CDC can compile statistics on dangers of autos, gas stoves, virtually any item that we use daily, but, thanks to the NRA, they are forbidden from compiling statistics on the damage from guns.

Cherry picking? They set out to prove that guns are bad, and got sideswiped with facts. That makes you the idiot.
 
From the Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine
In general, homicide gun deaths in the United States are more of an urban than a rural problem. "Half of all homicides occurred in 63 cities with 16% of the nation's population; within those cities, homicides were largely clustered in certain neighborhoods."[7]

For example, in Milwaukee, two inner-city zip codes, 53204 and 53215, have homicide rates of 89.1 per 100,000 and 38.8 per 100,000, respectively, compared with a homicide rate of 10.5 per 100,000 for the state in general.[16]
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/405837
 
This is from Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy:




[FONT=&quot]Would Banning Firearms Reduce
Murder and Suicide?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A Review of International and
Some Domestic Evidence[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Don B. Kates and Gary Mauser[/FONT]



Once again, we are not arguing that the data in Table 2 shows that gun control causes nations to have much higher murder rates than neighboring nations that permit handgun ownership. Rather, we assert a political causation for the observed correlation that nations with stringent gun controls tend to have much higher murder rates than nations that allow guns. The political causation is that nations which have violence problems tend to adopt severe gun controls, but these do not reduce violence, which is determined by basic socio-cultural and economic factors.


The point is exemplified by the conclusions of the premier study of English gun control. Done by a senior English police official as his thesis at the Cambridge University Institute of Criminology and later published as a book, it found (as of the early 1970s), “Half a century of strict controls . . . has ended, perversely, with a far greater use of [handguns] in crime than ever before.” [50]



The study also states that:
[FONT=&quot]No matter how one approaches the figures, one is forced to the rather startling conclusion that the use of firearms in crime was very much less [in England before 1920] when there were no controls of any sort and when anyone, convicted criminal or lunatic, could buy any type of firearm without restriction.[51]

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From the same article in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy:


[FONT=&quot]National Institute of Justice surveys among prison inmates find that large percentages report that their fear that a victim might be armed deterred them from confrontation crimes. ‘[T]he felons most frightened “about confronting an armed victim” were those from states with the greatest relative number of privately owned firearms.’ Conversely, robbery is highest in states that most restrict gun ownership.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][87][/FONT][/FONT]

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More from the same source, Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy:


[FONT=&quot]If more guns equals more death and fewer guns equals less death, it should follow, all things being equal, (1) that geographic areas with higher gun ownership should have more murder than those with less gun ownership; (2) that demographic groups with higher gun ownership should be more prone to murder than those with less ownership; and (3) that historical eras in which gun ownership is widespread should have more murder than those in which guns were fewer or less widespread. As discussed earlier, these effects are not present.

Historical eras, demographic groups, and geographic areas with more guns do not have more murders than those with fewer guns. Indeed, those with more guns often, or even generally, have fewer murders.

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[FONT=&quot]The conclusion section refers to the work of Professor Brandon Centerwall of the University of Washington and his study of gun control and it's comparative effect between Canada and the United States.

I couldn't find it right off, and it's time for bed...if anyone finds a link to a free version, I'd appreciate them posting it.


Edit -- Here is the name of the article: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Brandon
Centerwall, Homicide and the Prevalence of Handguns: Canada and the United States,
1976-1980, 134 Am. J. Epidemiology 1245,1246 (1991)


TIA. :thup:
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Nice cherry picking.

US intentional homocide rate 4.8
Canada 1.6
United Kingdom 1.2
Germany 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
France 1.1
New Zealand 0.9
Australia 1.0
Austria 0.6

Let us compare apples to apples. These are the civilized democracies that we consider our peers. We have a murder by gun rate about 4 times greater than most of them.

Having the nation awash in guns, with no laws holding gun owners accountable for their actions is not sane. The CDC can compile statistics on dangers of autos, gas stoves, virtually any item that we use daily, but, thanks to the NRA, they are forbidden from compiling statistics on the damage from guns.

Hey Old Cock, have you ever considered that a morally degraded society in it's death throes (US) is more prone to murder people than say happy people in Sweden or elsewhere?

who wouldnt be happy in a society like this

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