OK, I'll admit it, our friends on the left are correct; there IS a catch to the Trump tax cuts

[Toddsterpatriot]

You actually have to work and make enough money to pay taxes to actually benefit.

That godam Trump and the evil republicans running the government fuck the little guy at every turn...

Another dumbass who is rejoicing he might get an additional $18/week while the country borrows trillions to give the wealthy tens of millions.

Give?

Yes give. They cut taxes on the bloated Rich again...

What about the slender rich?

 

[RealDave]

If I go to the store & the item I went to buy was on sale with a 20% discount, now costing $80.00. You would parade around screaming OMG OMG that sale did not give me anything. I save $20 of my own money.

You're starting to catch on now. The store took less of your money, therefore you saved twenty bucks--not got back twenty bucks.

Suppose I went to that store & there was a 20% rebate. I paid the full price of $100 & I got a $20 check in the mail the following week. The store gave me that money & you fucktards can't say it was my money that I saved.

Terrible analogy. Mine is better.

If you and I are neighbors and you walk your dog for a half hour every day at the same time, but once a week I sneak into your house and steal $100.00. After a while I feel guilty, so instead of taking $100.00 from your dresser drawer, I only take $80.00. Did I just give you $20.00?

Your story is only right about one thing. You are a thief. You want government without paying for it.

I did now have $20.00 that your change in stealing habits gave me.

Well I happen to think governments are thieves. Theft is the act of taking ones property agains their will leaving them with no reasonable alternative.

If I'm walking down the street one night and somebody points a gun at me demanding my money, he is taking my property against my will. My only choices are to give him my valuables or get shot and he takes my valuables.

I support government that governs, not a government that forces charity. Our founders never wanted federal government for wealth distribution reasons. But my tax money goes to fund my HUD neighbors next door in our suburb, it goes to fund all those daycare centers in our city, it goes to fund PBS, Planned Parenthood and NPR, it goes to fund unneeded bureaucracies which act against our Constitution, and I'm against all of it.

Support your country or pack up your shit & leave. I am sick & tired of your constant whining. But hey, being against ediucartionb is a Trumpette thing.

Then you are such a dick you don't get that the money paid to PP is for services rendered through Mediaid & Medicare.

 

[RealDave]

Another dumbass who is rejoicing he might get an additional $18/week while the country borrows trillions to give the wealthy tens of millions.

Give?

If aftet the tax cut bill, Trump pays $40 million less in takes, that bill gave him that money.
Now you asswipes can try to play semantics all you want but that would be the truth.

That tax bill (in other words Trump) gave Trump 40 million plus. And you morons love it. All you " OMG OMG the deft the debt!!" people love it.

You know it is a bad bill but your heads are so far up Trumps ass that you can't even bitch about it.

Kill the greedy kulaks, eh comrade?

Didn't say to kill anyone. I said to quit handing them money. Why do you want to borrow money to give Trump a tax break. What do you think anyone gets anything from it other than Trump?

Why do you want to borrow money to give Trump a tax break.

I don't want to borrow.
I'd like to cut Federal spending by 30%.....to start.

But there was no cut in spending yet here you are supporting Trump & the tax cut.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So what happens if government decides to change title on your house, your car, your boat, your daughter? That is not theft in your eyes because government claimed it was theirs instead of yours?

No, it's not theft. I may feel it's unjust, but it certainly wouldn't be theft. Who is to say the fact that your house is titled to you isn't theft by virtue of the fact that it excludes others from being on that property? Why is the house where you live "your" house other than that it just happens to be titled to you according to the government?

Because I paid for it.

Well, Trump didn't pay for his gifts or his inheritance, so what made any of that "his" and somehow deserving to be exempt from normal income taxation applied to almost all other transactions, like wage income?

If his father paid for it then it's his. HIs father bought it, he paid taxes on it, and he gave it to his family.

I worked for my money. I pay taxes on it. If I pay my neighbor to paint my house, he pays income txes on my money for which I was already taxed.

If I give my kid a million dollars this year, he pays taxes.

Ending the inheritance tax was a billion dollar gift to the Trump family. No wonder he was all for it. It certainly has no stimulus effect, just rich people rewarding themselves on your tax dollar.

If I give my kid a million dollars this year, he pays taxes.

You are mistaken.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Give?

If aftet the tax cut bill, Trump pays $40 million less in takes, that bill gave him that money.
Now you asswipes can try to play semantics all you want but that would be the truth.

That tax bill (in other words Trump) gave Trump 40 million plus. And you morons love it. All you " OMG OMG the deft the debt!!" people love it.

You know it is a bad bill but your heads are so far up Trumps ass that you can't even bitch about it.

Kill the greedy kulaks, eh comrade?

Didn't say to kill anyone. I said to quit handing them money. Why do you want to borrow money to give Trump a tax break. What do you think anyone gets anything from it other than Trump?

Why do you want to borrow money to give Trump a tax break.

I don't want to borrow.
I'd like to cut Federal spending by 30%.....to start.

But there was no cut in spending yet here you are supporting Trump & the tax cut.

But there was no cut in spending

Yeah, we should cut spending.

here you are supporting Trump & the tax cut.

That's right, cut the shit out of those taxes!!!

 

[bgrouse]

So what happens if government decides to change title on your house, your car, your boat, your daughter? That is not theft in your eyes because government claimed it was theirs instead of yours?

No, it's not theft. I may feel it's unjust, but it certainly wouldn't be theft. Who is to say the fact that your house is titled to you isn't theft by virtue of the fact that it excludes others from being on that property? Why is the house where you live "your" house other than that it just happens to be titled to you according to the government?

Because I paid for it.

Well, Trump didn't pay for his gifts or his inheritance, so what made any of that "his" and somehow deserving to be exempt from normal income taxation applied to almost all other transactions, like wage income?

If his father paid for it then it's his. HIs father bought it, he paid taxes on it, and he gave it to his family.

I worked for my money. I pay taxes on it. If I pay my neighbor to paint my house, he pays income txes on my money for which I was already taxed.

If I give my kid a million dollars this year, he pays taxes.

Ending the inheritance tax was a billion dollar gift to the Trump family. No wonder he was all for it. It certainly has no stimulus effect, just rich people rewarding themselves on your tax dollar.

They are special rules which basically benefit worthless rich deadbeats. If I do tangible work that benefits people, I am taxed on the proceeds. If deadbeat Trump gives his kid money for nothing, they are excused from the same rules.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If I go to the store & the item I went to buy was on sale with a 20% discount, now costing $80.00. You would parade around screaming OMG OMG that sale did not give me anything. I save $20 of my own money.

You're starting to catch on now. The store took less of your money, therefore you saved twenty bucks--not got back twenty bucks.

Suppose I went to that store & there was a 20% rebate. I paid the full price of $100 & I got a $20 check in the mail the following week. The store gave me that money & you fucktards can't say it was my money that I saved.

Terrible analogy. Mine is better.

If you and I are neighbors and you walk your dog for a half hour every day at the same time, but once a week I sneak into your house and steal $100.00. After a while I feel guilty, so instead of taking $100.00 from your dresser drawer, I only take $80.00. Did I just give you $20.00?

Your story is only right about one thing. You are a thief. You want government without paying for it.

I did now have $20.00 that your change in stealing habits gave me.

Well I happen to think governments are thieves. Theft is the act of taking ones property agains their will leaving them with no reasonable alternative.

If I'm walking down the street one night and somebody points a gun at me demanding my money, he is taking my property against my will. My only choices are to give him my valuables or get shot and he takes my valuables.

I support government that governs, not a government that forces charity. Our founders never wanted federal government for wealth distribution reasons. But my tax money goes to fund my HUD neighbors next door in our suburb, it goes to fund all those daycare centers in our city, it goes to fund PBS, Planned Parenthood and NPR, it goes to fund unneeded bureaucracies which act against our Constitution, and I'm against all of it.

Support your country or pack up your shit & leave. I am sick & tired of your constant whining. But hey, being against ediucartionb is a Trumpette thing.

Then you are such a dick you don't get that the money paid to PP is for services rendered through Mediaid & Medicare.

It doesn't matter. The federal government shouldn't be giving money to institutions that perform abortions no matter what government entity it comes from. You want an abortion, fine with me. You pay for it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what happens if government decides to change title on your house, your car, your boat, your daughter? That is not theft in your eyes because government claimed it was theirs instead of yours?

No, it's not theft. I may feel it's unjust, but it certainly wouldn't be theft. Who is to say the fact that your house is titled to you isn't theft by virtue of the fact that it excludes others from being on that property? Why is the house where you live "your" house other than that it just happens to be titled to you according to the government?

Because I paid for it.

Well, Trump didn't pay for his gifts or his inheritance, so what made any of that "his" and somehow deserving to be exempt from normal income taxation applied to almost all other transactions, like wage income?

If his father paid for it then it's his. HIs father bought it, he paid taxes on it, and he gave it to his family.

I worked for my money. I pay taxes on it. If I pay my neighbor to paint my house, he pays income txes on my money for which I was already taxed.

If I give my kid a million dollars this year, he pays taxes.

Ending the inheritance tax was a billion dollar gift to the Trump family. No wonder he was all for it. It certainly has no stimulus effect, just rich people rewarding themselves on your tax dollar.

The federal government should not be sitting at your dinner table passing the biscuits to your daughter while taking a few for themselves before the plate gets to her. What goes on in the family should stay just between them. Government is not supposed to be involved in every personal matter of our lives, and leaving money to a family member is a personal matter and a gift.

I'm an anti-government guy so it's not because of the rich. I object to government having so much control over us where they have enough power to tax dead people.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

...then that would, according to your requirements, satisfy the title being in the father's name. Since Donald didn't pay for it, it can't be Donald's. He would have to pay for it first.

Not if it was given to him as a gift. His father (as owner of said property) is passing such title to his son and that's between father and son--not father and government.

Besides, where did his father get it? Did he pay for it? Did he get it legally?

And even if he did, what are you saying, that any money on which someone paid tax shouldn't ever be taxable again?

Not between family--no.

 

[GWV5903]

Here's the original exchange, note the only topic I have is Inheritance Tax...

Did I say all those that inherit money are spoiled rich deadbeats? No, but enough are and there's no reason to not tax inheritance.

Any Inheritance Tax that is imposed is a minimum of Double Taxation, in other words it's called stealing...

Below you followed up with your money changing hands excuse...

Money generally gets taxed by income tax whenever it changes hands, like if you use your taxed wages to buy a bagel. The bagel salesman pays tax on his profit. Is that stealing, too?

And here below in bold, italicized and underlined is the full text that you tried to use to support your lie, in the proper perspective, your terrible at this, stick with tiddlywinks...

Your stupid explanation that the money changes hands is the reason of merit to tax it again, I would urge you to remove your head from that pile of shit surrounding it or commit harikari, both will have the same affect...

Right here, dumbass:

Your stupid explanation that the money changes hands is the reason of merit to tax it

That's income taxation in general. That's how income taxation generally works: money gets taxed when it changes hands. That's because money comes in when it changes hands, hence, income. If you think that's stupid, that's a statement against income taxation in general. But I realize someone as stupid as you might be unable to figure it out.

You suck at this, grow up, maybe you should stick to the children boards...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Did I say all those that inherit money are spoiled rich deadbeats? No, but enough are and there's no reason to not tax inheritance.

Any Inheritance Tax that is imposed is a minimum of Double Taxation, in other words it's called stealing...

Money generally gets taxed by income tax whenever it changes hands, like if you use your taxed wages to buy a bagel. The bagel salesman pays tax on his profit. Is that stealing, too?

Money generally gets taxed by income tax whenever it changes hands.

So if I buy $100 worth of bagels, he doesn't pay tax on $100?
Only on his profit? What if he breaks even? Money changes hands and isn't taxed.

 

[Markle]

By my rough calculations, a person making $10,000,000 a year in taxable income will save a little under $300,000 in tax under the new tax rules from the brackets. Sorry, I just don't see too many rich people losing out because of real estate taxes.

Share with us how many people earn $10 MILLION per year.

That would place someone in the top .1% of all income tax returns filed. One-tenth of one percent or 140 tax returns. How much of a difference does that make in our revenues?

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2016 Update - Tax Foundation

 

[Markle]

You bitch about those poor people but love Trump for his bankruptcies. Why is that?

Donald Trump never declared bankruptcy. As you well know.

If he had, what difference would that make?

What is their fair share? Wealthy people use more government services than poor people do. How much government money is spent regulation things like the stock market & protecting US corporations? How many poor people use airports & our banking systems?

I am not the one whining. It was you. Man the fuck up & support your own country.

Why should all households not contribute the running of our government?

I'm certainly not rich, not in my description anyway. Yes, when I was working, I used our airports, banking systems, and highways a LOT.

What I did NOT use were any of the 67 programs the federal government has for low-income households. No welfare, food stamps, housing, cell phone, free computers, cut-rate cable and on and on, and on!

How many regulations have been taken off the sweating backs of small business and large business since President Donald Trump?

 

[Markle]

Trump used government bankruptcy protection services to the tune of over $1 billion.

Why do you continue to lie?

Donald Trump never declared bankruptcy.

How many fewer new businesses would we have in America today if our Constitution did not demand that it be available? Our founding fathers wanted to do away with the Debtors Prisons popular in Europe at the time. It is a major contributing factor to the greatness of America today.

 

[bgrouse]

...then that would, according to your requirements, satisfy the title being in the father's name. Since Donald didn't pay for it, it can't be Donald's. He would have to pay for it first.

Not if it was given to him as a gift. His father (as owner of said property) is passing such title to his son and that's between father and son--not father and government.

Besides, where did his father get it? Did he pay for it? Did he get it legally?

And even if he did, what are you saying, that any money on which someone paid tax shouldn't ever be taxable again?

Not between family--no.

So if an employer chooses to adopt his employees, they shouldn't pay any taxes?

 

[bgrouse]

Here's the original exchange, note the only topic I have is Inheritance Tax...

Did I say all those that inherit money are spoiled rich deadbeats? No, but enough are and there's no reason to not tax inheritance.

Any Inheritance Tax that is imposed is a minimum of Double Taxation, in other words it's called stealing...

Below you followed up with your money changing hands excuse...

Money generally gets taxed by income tax whenever it changes hands, like if you use your taxed wages to buy a bagel. The bagel salesman pays tax on his profit. Is that stealing, too?

And here below in bold, italicized and underlined is the full text that you tried to use to support your lie, in the proper perspective, your terrible at this, stick with tiddlywinks...

Your stupid explanation that the money changes hands is the reason of merit to tax it again, I would urge you to remove your head from that pile of shit surrounding it or commit harikari, both will have the same affect...

Right here, dumbass:

Your stupid explanation that the money changes hands is the reason of merit to tax it

That's income taxation in general. That's how income taxation generally works: money gets taxed when it changes hands. That's because money comes in when it changes hands, hence, income. If you think that's stupid, that's a statement against income taxation in general. But I realize someone as stupid as you might be unable to figure it out.

You suck at this, grow up, maybe you should stick to the children boards...

Once again, the "excuse" you reference is precisely how pretty much all income is taxed: at the point where the money/wealth changes hands/title. So if you think that's a "stupid explanation" to tax income, then you'd be arguing against all income tax. The part that makes you stupid is that you're doing it without realizing it.

 

[bgrouse]

Did I say all those that inherit money are spoiled rich deadbeats? No, but enough are and there's no reason to not tax inheritance.

Any Inheritance Tax that is imposed is a minimum of Double Taxation, in other words it's called stealing...

Money generally gets taxed by income tax whenever it changes hands, like if you use your taxed wages to buy a bagel. The bagel salesman pays tax on his profit. Is that stealing, too?

Money generally gets taxed by income tax whenever it changes hands.

So if I buy $100 worth of bagels, he doesn't pay tax on $100?
Only on his profit? What if he breaks even? Money changes hands and isn't taxed.

You get taxed on the net wealth transfer. That's the general rule. If you sell a bagel that cost you $60 for $100, you pay tax on $40 profit. If you inherit $100,000,000 for no money/wealth spent of your own or even any effort put forth, why shouldn't you pay tax on the $100,000,000 of income?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Did I say all those that inherit money are spoiled rich deadbeats? No, but enough are and there's no reason to not tax inheritance.

Any Inheritance Tax that is imposed is a minimum of Double Taxation, in other words it's called stealing...

Money generally gets taxed by income tax whenever it changes hands, like if you use your taxed wages to buy a bagel. The bagel salesman pays tax on his profit. Is that stealing, too?

Money generally gets taxed by income tax whenever it changes hands.

So if I buy $100 worth of bagels, he doesn't pay tax on $100?
Only on his profit? What if he breaks even? Money changes hands and isn't taxed.

You get taxed on the net wealth transfer. That's the general rule. If you sell a bagel that cost you $60 for $100, you pay tax on $40 profit. If you inherit $100,000,000 for no money/wealth spent of your own or even any effort put forth, why shouldn't you pay tax on the $100,000,000 of income?

You get taxed on the net wealth transfer. That's the general rule. If you sell a bagel that cost you $60 for $100, you pay tax on $40 profit.

And if it's an even trade, no tax.

 

[bgrouse]

By my rough calculations, a person making $10,000,000 a year in taxable income will save a little under $300,000 in tax under the new tax rules from the brackets. Sorry, I just don't see too many rich people losing out because of real estate taxes.

Share with us how many people earn $10 MILLION per year.

That would place someone in the top .1% of all income tax returns filed. One-tenth of one percent or 140 tax returns. How much of a difference does that make in our revenues?

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2016 Update - Tax Foundation

I'm supposed to do your research for you now?

Trump used government bankruptcy protection services to the tune of over $1 billion.

Why do you continue to lie?

Donald Trump never declared bankruptcy.

Sure he did.



You can split hairs all you want about it being a business bankruptcy. It's still a bankruptcy of his business.

How many fewer new businesses would we have in America today if our Constitution did not demand that it be available? Our founding fathers wanted to do away with the Debtors Prisons popular in Europe at the time. It is a major contributing factor to the greatness of America today.

Wonderful, but it doesn't make him any less of a deadbeat that benefited from and received a handout from the government. A bigger handout than the vast majority of the welfare recipients out there I suspect.

 

[GWV5903]

Here's the original exchange, note the only topic I have is Inheritance Tax...

Did I say all those that inherit money are spoiled rich deadbeats? No, but enough are and there's no reason to not tax inheritance.

Any Inheritance Tax that is imposed is a minimum of Double Taxation, in other words it's called stealing...

Below you followed up with your money changing hands excuse...

Money generally gets taxed by income tax whenever it changes hands, like if you use your taxed wages to buy a bagel. The bagel salesman pays tax on his profit. Is that stealing, too?

And here below in bold, italicized and underlined is the full text that you tried to use to support your lie, in the proper perspective, your terrible at this, stick with tiddlywinks...

Your stupid explanation that the money changes hands is the reason of merit to tax it again, I would urge you to remove your head from that pile of shit surrounding it or commit harikari, both will have the same affect...

Right here, dumbass:

Your stupid explanation that the money changes hands is the reason of merit to tax it

That's income taxation in general. That's how income taxation generally works: money gets taxed when it changes hands. That's because money comes in when it changes hands, hence, income. If you think that's stupid, that's a statement against income taxation in general. But I realize someone as stupid as you might be unable to figure it out.

You suck at this, grow up, maybe you should stick to the children boards...

Once again, the "excuse" you reference is precisely how pretty much all income is taxed: at the point where the money/wealth changes hands/title. So if you think that's a "stupid explanation" to tax income, then you'd be arguing against all income tax. The part that makes you stupid is that you're doing it without realizing it.

So you avoid the fact you misquoted me, then you try again to misquote my post, did you win the Dumb Dumb Award on a daily basis or hourly? I think I finally figured it out, you must be a Civil Servant, let me guess you work for the Treasury Department?

I'll tee your ass up for days at this pace, keep the Dumb Dumb reply's up...