OMG, what is Giuliani doing talking to OMB right in the middle of an impeachment investigation?

[Toddsterpatriot]

So what...he is the presidents private attorney...maybe he was checking into how the deep state paid for Halper's trips to Europe....dems are leaping from one dumb thought to another....never touching the ground....

Maybe he was trying to prove once and for all that Iraq was behind 9/11

I mean you dumb asses are delusional enough to believe anything else you are told.....

Maybe he wanted to know where Obama got the Iranian payoff cash and gold that was secretly loaded onto an unmarked US plane....wouldn't you like to know the answer to that?...I would...I asked Diane Feinstein that very question and she said she didn't know but that she would look into it and release a statement....that was 3 years ago.....

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Maybe Obama should have been arrested for illegally trying to sell weapons to Iran for, oh wait...

That was St Reagan...nevermind

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Who forced Obama to hand it over?

Unfreezing their accounts and giving Iran back their money was actually part of the Iran nuclear agreement.

You could have just said that no one forced Obama to hand it over......

 

[Nostra]

I know you Trumpers be mad as fuck sometimes at all of these folks getting arrested in connection to either Trump's campaign, Trump's administration or Trump's re-election efforts...

I know yall be wondering to yourself, "Damn, can't we get at least someone associated with Obama arrested for something!!! -- This is started to make it look like Trump is guilty"

Giuliani is sure to be in line for indictment.

When? Give us a date.

Wait, let me guess............HURRY UP AND WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They all fall in time. For references, look in the rear view mirrors at the felons behind you associated with Trump.

Dodge note.

HURRY UP AND WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nostra]

If it was just unfreezing accounts, why didn't Barry Hussein just transfer the funds? Why did he fly pallets of cash in different currencies into Iran in the middle of the night without telling anyone?

Hmmmmmm............................

That money wasn't ours. It was Iran's. Big difference.

You didn't answer the question.

Typical.

It's cash you idiot.

Bank accounts are "cash"? No way to electronically transfer funds?

Hmmmm...................

LOl! Stupid questions that mean nothing. What's this got to do with Giuliani making calls to OMB that prove obstruction?

I take it you have never heard of an electronic bank transfer.

Do you think we give all our foreign aid in cash on pallets in multiple currencies and fly them in in the middle of the night without letting anyone else in govt know about it?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Maybe he wanted to know where Obama got the Iranian payoff cash and gold that was secretly loaded onto an unmarked US plane....wouldn't you like to know the answer to that?...I would...I asked Diane Feinstein that very question and she said she didn't know but that she would look into it and release a statement....that was 3 years ago.....

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Maybe Obama should have been arrested for illegally trying to sell weapons to Iran for, oh wait...

That was St Reagan...nevermind

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Who forced Obama to hand it over?

Unfreezing their accounts and giving Iran back their money was actually part of the Iran nuclear agreement.

If it was just unfreezing accounts, why didn't Barry Hussein just transfer the funds? Why did he fly pallets of cash in different currencies into Iran in the middle of the night without telling anyone?

Hmmmmmm............................

That money wasn't ours. It was Iran's. Big difference.

That money wasn't ours. It was Iran's. Big difference.

We don't have to hand money over to a terrorist regime...…...ever.

 

[Nostra]

So what...he is the presidents private attorney...maybe he was checking into how the deep state paid for Halper's trips to Europe....dems are leaping from one dumb thought to another....never touching the ground....

Exactly, Rudy is Trumps PRIVATE attorney. And, as a private citizen, he has no authority to broker deals between other countries and the US, because he hasn't been appointed or elected to any official capacity.

Which makes what he did illegal.

According to what statute?

Please cite said statute.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You're right, Trump can appoint anyone he wants to any position he needs, and, depending on the position, it may require Senate confirmation. However, he hasn't appointed Rudy to anything, nor does Rudy have any kind of official position to be able to negotiate with other countries.

You do not have to be appointed to a position to be sent on a presidential mission...see you are thinking like the swamp...show me the rule or law....you can't because it doesn't exist...you are being sold a pile of shit by the state run swamp media....they don't like outsiders messing with their golden goose....

Actually, yes, you DO have to be in an official capacity to negotiate with another country. And yes, it IS written as a law, it's the part of my post you didn't quote when responding to me. Post 88 has a link to the law, which is called the Logan Act and makes it illegal for a private citizen to broker deals with foreign countries.

 

[BWK]

Maybe he wanted to know where Obama got the Iranian payoff cash and gold that was secretly loaded onto an unmarked US plane....wouldn't you like to know the answer to that?...I would...I asked Diane Feinstein that very question and she said she didn't know but that she would look into it and release a statement....that was 3 years ago.....

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Maybe Obama should have been arrested for illegally trying to sell weapons to Iran for, oh wait...

That was St Reagan...nevermind

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Who forced Obama to hand it over?

Unfreezing their accounts and giving Iran back their money was actually part of the Iran nuclear agreement.

And funded the #1 State Sponsor of Terrorism.

Nice job Barry HUSSEIN.

Has nothing to do with anything.

Debate! Funny faces are worth shit coward.

 

[Nostra]

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Maybe Obama should have been arrested for illegally trying to sell weapons to Iran for, oh wait...

That was St Reagan...nevermind

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Who forced Obama to hand it over?

Unfreezing their accounts and giving Iran back their money was actually part of the Iran nuclear agreement.

And funded the #1 State Sponsor of Terrorism.

Nice job Barry HUSSEIN.

Has nothing to do with anything.

Debate! Funny faces are worth shit coward.

Talking to yourself again?

 

[BWK]

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Maybe Obama should have been arrested for illegally trying to sell weapons to Iran for, oh wait...

That was St Reagan...nevermind

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Who forced Obama to hand it over?

Unfreezing their accounts and giving Iran back their money was actually part of the Iran nuclear agreement.

If it was just unfreezing accounts, why didn't Barry Hussein just transfer the funds? Why did he fly pallets of cash in different currencies into Iran in the middle of the night without telling anyone?

Hmmmmmm............................

That money wasn't ours. It was Iran's. Big difference.

That money wasn't ours. It was Iran's. Big difference.

We don't have to hand money over to a terrorist regime...…...ever.

Off topic. You're a coward.

 

[BWK]

So what...he is the presidents private attorney...maybe he was checking into how the deep state paid for Halper's trips to Europe....dems are leaping from one dumb thought to another....never touching the ground....

Exactly, Rudy is Trumps PRIVATE attorney. And, as a private citizen, he has no authority to broker deals between other countries and the US, because he hasn't been appointed or elected to any official capacity.

Which makes what he did illegal.

According to what statute?

Please cite said statute.

The Giuliani situation is quite different. To the American diplomats who interacted with Ukraine, it was quite clear that the president’s lawyer was in charge of U.S. policy toward that Eastern European nation. Gordon Sondland, the Republican donor whom the president tapped as the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified that, in an Oval Office meeting, Trump directed him to ask Giuliani about Ukraine matters. “He just kept saying, ‘Talk to Rudy, talk to Rudy,’” Sondland said.


Congress did not legislate a handoff of foreign-diplomacy power to the president’s personal lawyer. He is not working pursuant to a government contract containing legal remedies for the United States if he breaches the terms of his employment. He did not take an oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution—unlike members of Congress, who will have to weigh that oath heavily as the evidence bearing on impeachment mounts in the coming weeks. He is not bound by federal conflict-of-interest, transparency, or ethics laws—including the Freedom of Information Act—passed by prior Congresses to ensure that people entrusted with the American populace’s authority to self-govern do their jobs with integrity to the Constitution, the rule of law, and the norms that undergird our system of justice.

Logan Act - Wikipedia

 

[Rambunctious]

So what...he is the presidents private attorney...maybe he was checking into how the deep state paid for Halper's trips to Europe....dems are leaping from one dumb thought to another....never touching the ground....

Exactly, Rudy is Trumps PRIVATE attorney. And, as a private citizen, he has no authority to broker deals between other countries and the US, because he hasn't been appointed or elected to any official capacity.

Which makes what he did illegal.

Show me the law that he has to be appointed or elected to fulfill the presidents mission...

Conservatives Should Want to Impeach Trump

From your fake news NY times story in your link....

Trump’s willingness to hand over control of American policy toward Ukraine to such a figure is remarkable, especially in light of conservative jurists’ long-standing efforts to hold each branch of government to its duties as formally spelled out in the Constitution. Even if House Republicans can’t justify impeaching Trump for shaking down the Ukrainians, they should at least call him to account for an unconstitutional behavior whose gravity, in all likelihood, would be obvious to them if the president were from the other party.

Remarkable is not illegal...and bucking jurists long standing efforts to keep things the way they are is not unconstitutional....its needed and over due....

 

[Polishprince]

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Maybe Obama should have been arrested for illegally trying to sell weapons to Iran for, oh wait...

That was St Reagan...nevermind

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Who forced Obama to hand it over?

Unfreezing their accounts and giving Iran back their money was actually part of the Iran nuclear agreement.

If it was just unfreezing accounts, why didn't Barry Hussein just transfer the funds? Why did he fly pallets of cash in different currencies into Iran in the middle of the night without telling anyone?

Hmmmmmm............................

That money wasn't ours. It was Iran's. Big difference.

That money wasn't ours. It was Iran's. Big difference.

We don't have to hand money over to a terrorist regime...…...ever.

It was Iran's , but not the property of the Iranian Mullahs. America was holding it in trust for the good people of Iran to help them get back on their feet after they hang the mullahs and ayatollah who are running the current despotate.

 

[Rambunctious]

Actually, yes, you DO have to be in an official capacity to negotiate with another country. And yes, it IS written as a law, it's the part of my post you didn't quote when responding to me. Post 88 has a link to the law, which is called the Logan Act and makes it illegal for a private citizen to broker deals with foreign countries.

LMAO.....Rudy didn't violate the Logan act...but John Kerry has...multiple times....

 

[BWK]

So what...he is the presidents private attorney...maybe he was checking into how the deep state paid for Halper's trips to Europe....dems are leaping from one dumb thought to another....never touching the ground....

Exactly, Rudy is Trumps PRIVATE attorney. And, as a private citizen, he has no authority to broker deals between other countries and the US, because he hasn't been appointed or elected to any official capacity.

Which makes what he did illegal.

Show me the law that he has to be appointed or elected to fulfill the presidents mission...

Conservatives Should Want to Impeach Trump

From your fake news NY times story in your link....

Trump’s willingness to hand over control of American policy toward Ukraine to such a figure is remarkable, especially in light of conservative jurists’ long-standing efforts to hold each branch of government to its duties as formally spelled out in the Constitution. Even if House Republicans can’t justify impeaching Trump for shaking down the Ukrainians, they should at least call him to account for an unconstitutional behavior whose gravity, in all likelihood, would be obvious to them if the president were from the other party.

Remarkable is not illegal...and bucking jurists long standing efforts to keep things the way they are is not unconstitutional....its needed and over due....

What's this got to do with taking you to school on the law? Lol! If at first you can't debate the facts, look over here at the bird flying in the sky. What a weakling.

 

[007]

Why was Lurch overseas screwing with foreign policy when he was a private citizen and the kenyan was in the black house?

Why didn't all the little bubble headed democrat nut job hypocrites want Lurch prosecuted for the Logan Act?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You mean the money that was already Iran's??

Who forced Obama to hand it over?

Unfreezing their accounts and giving Iran back their money was actually part of the Iran nuclear agreement.

If it was just unfreezing accounts, why didn't Barry Hussein just transfer the funds? Why did he fly pallets of cash in different currencies into Iran in the middle of the night without telling anyone?

Hmmmmmm............................

That money wasn't ours. It was Iran's. Big difference.

That money wasn't ours. It was Iran's. Big difference.

We don't have to hand money over to a terrorist regime...…...ever.

Off topic. You're a coward.

We weren't discussing Obama handing over money to Iran?

Are you sure?

 

[Polishprince]

So what...he is the presidents private attorney...maybe he was checking into how the deep state paid for Halper's trips to Europe....dems are leaping from one dumb thought to another....never touching the ground....

Exactly, Rudy is Trumps PRIVATE attorney. And, as a private citizen, he has no authority to broker deals between other countries and the US, because he hasn't been appointed or elected to any official capacity.

Which makes what he did illegal.

According to what statute?

Please cite said statute.

The Giuliani situation is quite different. To the American diplomats who interacted with Ukraine, it was quite clear that the president’s lawyer was in charge of U.S. policy toward that Eastern European nation. Gordon Sondland, the Republican donor whom the president tapped as the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified that, in an Oval Office meeting, Trump directed him to ask Giuliani about Ukraine matters. “He just kept saying, ‘Talk to Rudy, talk to Rudy,’” Sondland said.


Congress did not legislate a handoff of foreign-diplomacy power to the president’s personal lawyer. He is not working pursuant to a government contract containing legal remedies for the United States if he breaches the terms of his employment. He did not take an oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution—unlike members of Congress, who will have to weigh that oath heavily as the evidence bearing on impeachment mounts in the coming weeks. He is not bound by federal conflict-of-interest, transparency, or ethics laws—including the Freedom of Information Act—passed by prior Congresses to ensure that people entrusted with the American populace’s authority to self-govern do their jobs with integrity to the Constitution, the rule of law, and the norms that undergird our system of justice.

Logan Act - Wikipedia

The President has the sole executive power, and he is utilizing people he trusts to deliver messages to foreign countries.

How would you suggest he do it all without any help?

 

[Nostra]

So what...he is the presidents private attorney...maybe he was checking into how the deep state paid for Halper's trips to Europe....dems are leaping from one dumb thought to another....never touching the ground....

Exactly, Rudy is Trumps PRIVATE attorney. And, as a private citizen, he has no authority to broker deals between other countries and the US, because he hasn't been appointed or elected to any official capacity.

Which makes what he did illegal.

According to what statute?

Please cite said statute.

The Giuliani situation is quite different. To the American diplomats who interacted with Ukraine, it was quite clear that the president’s lawyer was in charge of U.S. policy toward that Eastern European nation. Gordon Sondland, the Republican donor whom the president tapped as the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified that, in an Oval Office meeting, Trump directed him to ask Giuliani about Ukraine matters. “He just kept saying, ‘Talk to Rudy, talk to Rudy,’” Sondland said.


Congress did not legislate a handoff of foreign-diplomacy power to the president’s personal lawyer. He is not working pursuant to a government contract containing legal remedies for the United States if he breaches the terms of his employment. He did not take an oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution—unlike members of Congress, who will have to weigh that oath heavily as the evidence bearing on impeachment mounts in the coming weeks. He is not bound by federal conflict-of-interest, transparency, or ethics laws—including the Freedom of Information Act—passed by prior Congresses to ensure that people entrusted with the American populace’s authority to self-govern do their jobs with integrity to the Constitution, the rule of law, and the norms that undergird our system of justice.

Logan Act - Wikipedia

Telling an Ambassodor to consult with Rudy doesn't constitute Rudy being "in charge of U.S. policy toward" Ukraine. That would still be Trump.

Good Lord you morons are getting desperate.

When will Rudy be charged with Logan Act Violations? Keep in mind the Act was implemented in 1799 and only 2 people have been charged with violating it.........WITH ZERO CONVICTIONS.

And this is what you think will send Rudy to prison?

 

[007]

Exactly, Rudy is Trumps PRIVATE attorney. And, as a private citizen, he has no authority to broker deals between other countries and the US, because he hasn't been appointed or elected to any official capacity.

Which makes what he did illegal.

Show me the law that he has to be appointed or elected to fulfill the presidents mission...

Conservatives Should Want to Impeach Trump

From your fake news NY times story in your link....

Trump’s willingness to hand over control of American policy toward Ukraine to such a figure is remarkable, especially in light of conservative jurists’ long-standing efforts to hold each branch of government to its duties as formally spelled out in the Constitution. Even if House Republicans can’t justify impeaching Trump for shaking down the Ukrainians, they should at least call him to account for an unconstitutional behavior whose gravity, in all likelihood, would be obvious to them if the president were from the other party.

Remarkable is not illegal...and bucking jurists long standing efforts to keep things the way they are is not unconstitutional....its needed and over due....

What's this got to do with taking you to school on the law? Lol! If at first you can't debate the facts, look over here at the bird flying in the sky. What a weakling.

Do you think that if you somehow convince YOURSELF with your UNHINGED RANTINGS in this WISH thread, that you can WISH Giuliani into JAIL or something?

You poor little snowflake. Are you going to SCREAM HELPLESSLY AT THE SKY, again, when Giuliani is never charged with a crime?

What will you ever do, when you did your best to get the last word here with your unhinged crap to make yourself feel better, for nothing?

 

[Rambunctious]

Exactly, Rudy is Trumps PRIVATE attorney. And, as a private citizen, he has no authority to broker deals between other countries and the US, because he hasn't been appointed or elected to any official capacity.

Which makes what he did illegal.

Show me the law that he has to be appointed or elected to fulfill the presidents mission...

Conservatives Should Want to Impeach Trump

From your fake news NY times story in your link....

Trump’s willingness to hand over control of American policy toward Ukraine to such a figure is remarkable, especially in light of conservative jurists’ long-standing efforts to hold each branch of government to its duties as formally spelled out in the Constitution. Even if House Republicans can’t justify impeaching Trump for shaking down the Ukrainians, they should at least call him to account for an unconstitutional behavior whose gravity, in all likelihood, would be obvious to them if the president were from the other party.

Remarkable is not illegal...and bucking jurists long standing efforts to keep things the way they are is not unconstitutional....its needed and over due....

What's this got to do with taking you to school on the law? Lol! If at first you can't debate the facts, look over here at the bird flying in the sky. What a weakling.

You still haven't shown me that what Rudy did was against the law...if you like Bikersailor are saying he broke the Logan act you are wrong and lawyers have been saying so all day long...no evidence that Rudy negotiated anything in an official capacity...he was acting as Trump's private attorney...nothing illegal at all...better go back to Russia Russia Russia....