On the GOP

[Quantum Windbag]

Healthcare pop quiz

LASIK surgery is not typically covered by insurance and accordingly the cost of the procedure has: a) skyrocketed or b) plummeted

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Don't confuse the issue with facts.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

When you do need something more than "minor medical", it will be me and Joe and all the rest of the working stiffs that will pay for you...because that's the system we have. I pay $75 dollars for a handful of gauze so that when you end up with more than "minor medical", you'll be taken care of.

oh right, like I haven't had to work out with medical provider to make PAYMENTS on a medical bill before...you and Joey can think you are all that in life but dear a lot of us can make it in life Without either you..

anyway have a good day

No you can't. If you don't have insurance, there will be a point you can't pay for it. That's a fact. You can't make payments on a $500,000 medical bill. You would do what hundreds of thousands have done before you, declare bankruptcy.

Medical Bankruptcy is no Myth

When I went into the hospital two years ago they knocked $25,000 off the top because I self paid. That was before I paid a cent, because they save a ton of money not having to fill out the detailed forms required by federal bureaucracy.

 

[Trajan]

how about that? they pass some Monster government program that is going to cost the people in this country MONEY and their freedoms and it has to be FIXED right out of the gate..

if this isn't a sign competent governing what is? and some ofyou people just sit back and yawn over it...

my gawd we are frikken doomed

Yes, fixed. It's not liberal enough. Too many giveaways to private insurance companies...but that's what you get from Blue Dogs.

It is a total fucking mess because it gives the government way too much power and you think the problem is that it needs more government?

well, California has an issue with the 21,000 aca hc pgram counselors, its seems the state insurance commissioner stumbled upon the fact that, they may need to perform back round checks fingerprint and perform due diligence before they let them start collecting SS numbers, health information etc.....

they just NOW figured this out......and the payroll for these 21,000?where is that coming from?

oh and don't worry, its all going according to plan....


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From the department of lowered Obamacare expectations: This video.

By Sarah Kliff, Published: July 15 at 11:23 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...of-lowered-obamacare-expectations-this-video/

 

[JoeB131]

I wouldn't want someone like you or Obama helping save my life...everything to some of you is MONEY..saving the life is just something you USE to put down others who don't NEED insurance and pay for their OWN medical as they become ill..

It costs money to provide medical care.

So either medical care is a consumer item or it's a public service.

Most of the world treats it as a public service. As a result, they pay less for it, they live longer, less of their babies die in infancy and they aren't wiped out by a medical crisis.

Unlike this country, where 62% of bankruptcies are caused by medical issues.

If it costs money it cannot be a public service.

What, you think your brain drugs are free, guy?

Police cost money. Fire Departments cost money. Streets cost money.

But we don't charge people for them on by use basis. We charge everyone and make them available for those who need them.

 

[Redfish]

It costs money to provide medical care.

So either medical care is a consumer item or it's a public service.

Most of the world treats it as a public service. As a result, they pay less for it, they live longer, less of their babies die in infancy and they aren't wiped out by a medical crisis.

Unlike this country, where 62% of bankruptcies are caused by medical issues.

If it costs money it cannot be a public service.

What, you think your brain drugs are free, guy?

Police cost money. Fire Departments cost money. Streets cost money.

But we don't charge people for them on by use basis. We charge everyone and make them available for those who need them.

free medical care is not a constitutional right.

 

[JoeB131]

If it costs money it cannot be a public service.

What, you think your brain drugs are free, guy?

Police cost money. Fire Departments cost money. Streets cost money.

But we don't charge people for them on by use basis. We charge everyone and make them available for those who need them.

free medical care is not a constitutional right.

Never said it was.

Still a pretty good idea, though. Which is why most of the Industrialized world does it that way.

What we do is mandate hospitals treat everyone without making sure they get paid. Then they charge the paying customers more.

Which is why we spend more than any country in the world and get the worst results.

But the important thing is that Ed Hanaway of Cigna got a 80 Million dollar severence package, not that Nataline Sarkisyan got her Liver Transplant, because she totally didn't.

 

[Redfish]

What, you think your brain drugs are free, guy?

Police cost money. Fire Departments cost money. Streets cost money.

But we don't charge people for them on by use basis. We charge everyone and make them available for those who need them.

free medical care is not a constitutional right.

Never said it was.

Still a pretty good idea, though. Which is why most of the Industrialized world does it that way.

What we do is mandate hospitals treat everyone without making sure they get paid. Then they charge the paying customers more.

Which is why we spend more than any country in the world and get the worst results.

But the important thing is that Ed Hanaway of Cigna got a 80 Million dollar severence package, not that Nataline Sarkisyan got her Liver Transplant, because she totally didn't.

the part where some pay the bills for the rest will not change under obamacare. those with money will subsidize those with little or no money.

the difference is that we will now also have to pay for a huge government beaurocracy that will create tons of paperwork, drive doctors out of the sytem, and create delays in getting needed care.

there was no heathcare crisis that needed government intervention. No one was being denied treatment under the existing system. obozocare is nothing but another way for the government to take our money and control our lives.

 

[Seawytch]

Some things should not be a "for profit" industry. Our national defense is one, education is another and health care should also be on that list.

 

[JoeB131]

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the part where some pay the bills for the rest will not change under obamacare. those with money will subsidize those with little or no money.

As they should. Next.

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the difference is that we will now also have to pay for a huge government beaurocracy that will create tons of paperwork, drive doctors out of the sytem, and create delays in getting needed care.

Yes, you've been singing this song for years now.

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there was no heathcare crisis that needed government intervention. No one was being denied treatment under the existing system. obozocare is nothing but another way for the government to take our money and control our lives.

46 million without insurance and 25 million with inadequate insurance isn't a crisis?

Even the insurance companies admit the system is broken.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Some things should not be a "for profit" industry. Our national defense is one, education is another and health care should also be on that list.

so how much should Doctors and Nurses make per year?.....just askin.....

 

[JoeNormal]

oh right, like I haven't had to work out with medical provider to make PAYMENTS on a medical bill before...you and Joey can think you are all that in life but dear a lot of us can make it in life Without either you..

anyway have a good day

No you can't. If you don't have insurance, there will be a point you can't pay for it. That's a fact. You can't make payments on a $500,000 medical bill. You would do what hundreds of thousands have done before you, declare bankruptcy.

Medical Bankruptcy is no Myth

When I went into the hospital two years ago they knocked $25,000 off the top because I self paid. That was before I paid a cent, because they save a ton of money not having to fill out the detailed forms required by federal bureaucracy.

Bullshit. It's because you're not part of the health care/insurance company cartel and they realize that's all they're going to get from you.

 

[Wry Catcher]

WC is a blind sycophant. They exist in both parties.

And you're an ignorant buffoon. See how easy it is to attack the person and not their argument? How come you and others have resorted to the ad hominem and not countered the points made in the OP.

Hey, you started all of this. Grow some balls -or- get the hell out of dodge if you can't handle the backlash. See how easy it is to get slapped around here when you piss off the wrong people? You have no clue. Your solutions are bogus and are not even worth the time to debate. Your entire OP is disingenuous. You insult the intelligence of not only myself, but of other actual logically thinking people.

I will kindly ask you to shut the fuck up.

And I have not so kindly ignored your request. I'll write what I believe and try not to remark too often what a dirt bag you are, how ignorant you are and how cowardly you are.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It seems the GOP has many supporters unable to respond to the points stated below without defaulting to profanity, personal attacks and ridiculousness. Few admit to being Republicans - one did but when asked why s/he cut and ran - but all seem to hate the millions of Americans registered as Democrats.

For the record I don't hate Republicans, I don't hate anyone not even the disgusting, foolish, willfully ignorant, hateful and profane; the vast majority those who use pejoratives against all who post opinions which conflict with their own. This strongly suggests their beliefs are not their own, considered after actually thinking about issues. Most I believe have been spoon fed an ideology by demagogues and charlatans on TV, Radio and on the INTERNET and simply parrot them as their own.

For those who believe pointing out my opinion that those I characterize as "disgusting, foolish, willfully ignorant, hateful and profane" suggest I have engaged in hypocrisy there is no hope for them. A simple reading of the responses to the original post is sufficient evidence of the factual basis of my comment.

Of course that blatant racism, covert and overt, which didn't exist before President Obama was nominated is not something adopted by listening to voices on the Right Wing, it is something within the soul of too many Americans - black and white, but not exclusively so, for bigotry exists in all facets of our society most notably in misogyny, and prejudices against gays, lesbians and immigrants.

I stand by this OP:

On the GOP

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The Republican Party (RP) is dying by its own hand. To be viable it needs to weed out extremists and understand a national party needs to represent all United States Citizens. At one time the party leaders pretended to have a big tent open to everyone; once that was proved ridiculous they dropped the tag-line and even the pretext of cultural pluralism.

There is no doubt that the RP is the party of Big Business and holds blue collar workers in disdain. Their policies exploit the low income worker, both non citizen immigrants and American citizens, and deceive the middle class with platitudes, false pathos and promises never fulfilled. They obfuscate issues with emotion laden propaganda and misuse words - making them pejoratives - to defame anyone who represents a threat to their one goal: Power.

Essentially the RP of today is built on a foundation of mendacity and is little different than the French Aristocracy before 1789. While the phrase, "let them eat cake" is apocryphal it exists today in the policies of the extreme members in GOP leadership, especially on the state level. Attacks on Unionism, demands that the poor pay more in taxes and the 'job creators' pay less, eliminating the minimum wage law, acting as if those in the legislatures know better then do doctors on the needs of health for women and children, building barriers to voting and that anyone who attempts to curtail the abuse of health insurers is a Communist, Socialist or Statist.

Unless the RP wakes up it will find itself a footnote in history.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And you're an ignorant buffoon. See how easy it is to attack the person and not their argument? How come you and others have resorted to the ad hominem and not countered the points made in the OP.

Hey, you started all of this. Grow some balls -or- get the hell out of dodge if you can't handle the backlash. See how easy it is to get slapped around here when you piss off the wrong people? You have no clue. Your solutions are bogus and are not even worth the time to debate. Your entire OP is disingenuous. You insult the intelligence of not only myself, but of other actual logically thinking people.

I will kindly ask you to shut the fuck up.

And I have not so kindly ignored your request. I'll write what I believe and try not to remark too often what a dirt bag you are, how ignorant you are and how cowardly you are.

You know where your ignore list is. I suggest you use it. Such a child you are.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It seems the GOP has many supporters unable to respond to the points stated below without defaulting to profanity, personal attacks and ridiculousness. Few admit to being Republicans - one did but when asked why s/he cut and ran - but all seem to hate the millions of Americans registered as Democrats.

For the record I don't hate Republicans, I don't hate anyone not even the disgusting, foolish, willfully ignorant, hateful and profane; the vast majority those who use pejoratives against all who post opinions which conflict with their own. This strongly suggests their beliefs are not their own, considered after actually thinking about issues. Most I believe have been spoon fed an ideology by demagogues and charlatans on TV, Radio and on the INTERNET and simply parrot them as their own.

For those who believe pointing out my opinion that those I characterize as "disgusting, foolish, willfully ignorant, hateful and profane" suggest I have engaged in hypocrisy there is no hope for them. A simple reading of the responses to the original post is sufficient evidence of the factual basis of my comment.

Of course that blatant racism, covert and overt, which didn't exist before President Obama was nominated is not something adopted by listening to voices on the Right Wing, it is something within the soul of too many Americans - black and white, but not exclusively so, for bigotry exists in all facets of our society most notably in misogyny, and prejudices against gays, lesbians and immigrants.

I stand by this OP:

On the GOP

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Republican Party (RP) is dying by its own hand. To be viable it needs to weed out extremists and understand a national party needs to represent all United States Citizens. At one time the party leaders pretended to have a big tent open to everyone; once that was proved ridiculous they dropped the tag-line and even the pretext of cultural pluralism.

There is no doubt that the RP is the party of Big Business and holds blue collar workers in disdain. Their policies exploit the low income worker, both non citizen immigrants and American citizens, and deceive the middle class with platitudes, false pathos and promises never fulfilled. They obfuscate issues with emotion laden propaganda and misuse words - making them pejoratives - to defame anyone who represents a threat to their one goal: Power.

Essentially the RP of today is built on a foundation of mendacity and is little different than the French Aristocracy before 1789. While the phrase, "let them eat cake" is apocryphal it exists today in the policies of the extreme members in GOP leadership, especially on the state level. Attacks on Unionism, demands that the poor pay more in taxes and the 'job creators' pay less, eliminating the minimum wage law, acting as if those in the legislatures know better then do doctors on the needs of health for women and children, building barriers to voting and that anyone who attempts to curtail the abuse of health insurers is a Communist, Socialist or Statist.

Unless the RP wakes up it will find itself a footnote in history.

When you learn the manners you so adamantly wish of us, come back and maybe we will take you seriously, hypocrite.

 

[Oddball]

When you learn the manners you so adamantly wish of us, come back and maybe we will take you seriously, hypocrite.

There are reasons that he's absolutely the least introspective poster on the forum.

 

[Mad Scientist]

It's cute that people think voting for one party or the other will change anything.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The GOP is not dying. There's plenty of stupid to go around for generations to come.

Just look at the Zimmerman trial. These morons are actually cheering over the verdict, which essentially points out to all of us that murder is now state-sanctioned, so long as you make up a real nice story about how afraid you were of the person you killed.

I can still remember when people celebrated the highly televised verdict of OJ Simpson, a man who was revealed to be a wife beater to Anna Nicole. The prosecution and forensics botched that trial up, yet there was no outcry for justice after the decision came down. Everyone seemed to quickly forgot about her..... two murder trials ... two very different predetermined media assumptions of guilt and reactions.

 

[Wry Catcher]

When you learn the manners you so adamantly wish of us, come back and maybe we will take you seriously, hypocrite.

There are reasons that he's absolutely the least introspective poster on the forum.

Please post them Odd-dude. And by the way, your red herrings smell fishy.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's cute that people think voting for one party or the other will change anything.

Seriously? I may not make you think twice about you comment, but consider, Odd-dude liked it (that should given anyone pause) and this:

Consider the 2000 general election and the damage done by the neo cons who brought us the Iraq war? Consider the vote which gave the Democrats the H. of Rep. and the ability to pass health care reform; or the full court press by the health care industry which put the GOP back in power at the H. of Rep. in 2010.

Voting matters; there is a great difference between the RP and the DP as well as the LP.