Once again pointing out the elephant in the room

[Onyx]

Did someone count the ratio of liberal opposition to conservative opposition?

These topics always provoke 5 times more outrage from liberals, which I find interesting since both sides disagree with me.

 

[G.T.]

How can you justify all the great things you maintain government does when the fundamental means of support and funding include violence and theft? The means need to justify the ends, and violence and theft are an evil means to an evil end.

There is no difference between a state and a street gang. There is no difference when the mafia extorts money for protection and stations two goons at your place of business, and when the government extorts money for protection and puts a police department on your block.

It always comes down to the social contract argument. That one bullshit theory that statists hinge the moral legitimacy of the state on. No matter how many times I point out the fallacies and the errors, you tools will clinch on to your beloved social contract.

Daily addition to the wall of wisdom...

Actually you’re only pointing out a false comparison fallacy – and your thread premise fails as a consequence; it’s nothing but empty sophistry.

Exactly, and men with big beards who look like Zeus with Victorian suits on......aren't thus some authority on all things.

 

[Onyx]

Then do something about it besides post on a message board whining.

Take some fucking responsibility. You are a glorified whine ass, current status. G'job, and your main dissonance is imagining you're just better than everyone else.

Well, everyone else isnt seriously thinking they are a slave under tyranny while sitting on a message board freely, whining about it. Cuz, most people with cojones who truly feel enslaved fight to escape.

Hey mate, calm down. It is obvious that you are acting out because you understand that your moral justification is fundamentally flawed.

Relax and take time to process the hard reality of my words, g'day.

 

[G.T.]

Did someone count the ratio of liberal opposition to conservative opposition?

These topics always provoke 5 times more outrage from liberals, which I find interesting since both sides disagree with me.

Sometimes, it's not because you're right and everyone else is wrong, Freud.




#boom,PoeConfirmed

 

[G.T.]

Then do something about it besides post on a message board whining.

Take some fucking responsibility. You are a glorified whine ass, current status. G'job, and your main dissonance is imagining you're just better than everyone else.

Well, everyone else isnt seriously thinking they are a slave under tyranny while sitting on a message board freely, whining about it. Cuz, most people with cojones who truly feel enslaved fight to escape.

Hey mate, calm down. It is obvious that you are acting out because you understand that your moral justification is fundamentally flawed.

Relax and take time to process the hard reality of my words, g'day.

Erm, no. I'm basically calling you a busy body who has no spine to do anything about their whine. It went over your head? No worries, I shoot my 3s with a high arc.

 

[Onyx]

Erm, no. I'm basically calling you a busy body who has no spine to do anything about their whine. It went over your head? No worries, I shoot my 3s with a high arc.

Okay, you are at liberty to form that opinion.

I am very private about my real life involvement, and I have nothing to prove to some anonymous tool on a messageboard.

 

[G.T.]

Erm, no. I'm basically calling you a busy body who has no spine to do anything about their whine. It went over your head? No worries, I shoot my 3s with a high arc.

Okay, you are at liberty to form that opinion.

I am very private about my real life involvement, and I really have nothing to prove to some anonymous tool on a messageboard.

Right, nothing to prove hence humongously churlish and empty OPs. Riiight, mayte

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rustic and Onyx live in a different world apparently.

 

[HnL]

That's bullshit. The only way to opt out of society is via death.

The problem is dumbasses like you thinking that they have a monopoly on society.

That's utter garbage. Our larger society allows women to become POTUS, for example. But you can choose to set up a miniculture that doesn't allow women to do anything. But that is a faux mini culture. Because the women could step out any time they want and have the freedom guaranteed by our larger culture. And if thugs in the mini culture protest, then too bad for them.

You have the same guarantees and protections as any other citizen does, even if you choose to pretend your mini culture doesn't need those things. And based on thousands of years of human history, you have no grounds for the belief that you would be better off in the midst of a larger culture that is anarchic.

I never wanted your blood money to begin with.

Then write your congressperson and have the laws changed.

 

[bripat9643]

Guess it bears repeating over and over and over again, almost all government/economic systems are wonderful in theory but severely lacking in practical application. Where the theorists always fail is they always replace the true human equation with the idealized human equation based on the theory that humankind is inherently good and can ultimately work together for the common good. This has been proven throughout history to be false.

Wrong. Only communism/socialism does that. Capitalism is based on treating people as they are, warts and all.

 

[bripat9643]

How can you justify all the great things you maintain government does when the fundamental means of support and funding include violence and theft? The means need to justify the ends, and violence and theft are an evil means to an evil end.

There is no difference between a state and a street gang. There is no difference when the mafia extorts money for protection and stations two goons at your place of business, and when the government extorts money for protection and puts a police department on your block.

It always comes down to the social contract argument. That one bullshit theory that statists hinge the moral legitimacy of the state on. No matter how many times I point out the fallacies and the errors, you tools will clinch on to your beloved social contract.

Daily addition to the wall of wisdom...

We do not have a system of "taxation without consent". Your argument is built on a false premise, and thus collapses.

Of course we do. By definition, taxes are collected without your consent. The phrase "consensual taxation" is an oxymoron.

 

[bripat9643]

That's bullshit. The only way to opt out of society is via death.

The problem is dumbasses like you thinking that they have a monopoly on society.

That's utter garbage. Our larger society allows women to become POTUS, for example. But you can choose to set up a miniculture that doesn't allow women to do anything. But that is a faux mini culture. Because the women could step out any time they want and have the freedom guaranteed by our larger culture. And if thugs in the mini culture protest, then too bad for them.

You have the same guarantees and protections as any other citizen does, even if you choose to pretend your mini culture doesn't need those things. And based on thousands of years of human history, you have no grounds for the belief that you would be better off in the midst of a larger culture that is anarchic.

I never wanted your blood money to begin with.

Then write your congressperson and have the laws changed.

Talk about garbage, your claim that you can have a "mini-culture" that doesn't comply with the rules of the dominate culture is pure idiocy.

 

[bripat9643]

But I was also referring to fire depts. Things like that.

Easy for a community to fund a fire department. It can be done privatized or operated collectively by the community. Personally I believe civilians should buy their own fire emergency equipment, but whatever.

We cant have zero laws and someone has to enforce the laws we need.

We can and we do not.

All you need is proper organization and guns that kill. The laws never worked for the common man to begin with. The established law always ends up serving a more malevolent agenda, even when founded on good intentions.

Laws only do what they say. People fuck them up. But people are your answer. Not very consistent

Really? Did Obamacare make healthcare cheaper?

 

[bripat9643]

We do not have a system of "taxation without consent". Your argument is built on a false premise, and thus collapses.

We absolutely due have a system of taxation without consent.

Nope. We vote for and against tax increases every election. ln fact, there is a tax increase measure on my state's ballot for this election, and our state's TV breaks are flooded with For and Against ads.

Try again, kid.

Majority vote is not consent, especially when I vote against the majority. Bootlickers like you have been trying to push the myth that it is since the invention of democracy.

 

[bripat9643]

We do not have a system of "taxation without consent". Your argument is built on a false premise, and thus collapses.

We absolutely due have a system of taxation without consent. Your contention is built on a false assertion, and thus collapses.

*eagerly awaits run off into the woods argument*

Problem is americans want all the stuff they don't want to pay for.

Yeah, just like robbers and thieves always do.

 

[bripat9643]

One of the legitimate functions of a constitutional republic is taxation.

Get over that simple fact, freeks.

There is no such thing as "the legitimate functions of a constitutional republic." There is no such thing as legitimate government.

 

[Ringel05]

Guess it bears repeating over and over and over again, almost all government/economic systems are wonderful in theory but severely lacking in practical application. Where the theorists always fail is they always replace the true human equation with the idealized human equation based on the theory that humankind is inherently good and can ultimately work together for the common good. This has been proven throughout history to be false.

Wrong. Only communism/socialism does that. Capitalism is based on treating people as they are, warts and all.

Sure thing there Sparky....... Guess people aren't people in capitalist societies.......

 

[bripat9643]

How are you going to collect that funding, strongly worded notes?

The same way NGOs collect money. They collect funding from financial backers, corporate partners, and small donors.

And Mexico will pay for the wall.

So your remedy is to trade govt overlords for corporate overlords.

Pass.

You like to just make stuff up, don't you, douche bag?

 

[bripat9643]

Guess it bears repeating over and over and over again, almost all government/economic systems are wonderful in theory but severely lacking in practical application. Where the theorists always fail is they always replace the true human equation with the idealized human equation based on the theory that humankind is inherently good and can ultimately work together for the common good. This has been proven throughout history to be false.

Wrong. Only communism/socialism does that. Capitalism is based on treating people as they are, warts and all.

Sure thing there Sparky....... Guess people aren't people in capitalist societies.......

How does what I said imply that capitalism doesn't exist?

 

[bripat9643]

We do not have a system of "taxation without consent". Your argument is built on a false premise, and thus collapses.

We absolutely due have a system of taxation without consent. Your contention is built on a false assertion, and thus collapses.

*eagerly awaits run off into the woods argument*

Problem is americans want all the stuff they don't want to pay for.

Yes. The Democrats solution is you don't have to pay for it, tax the rich. Problem is they're spending so much at this point you could take all the money from the rich at this point and it wouldn't cover it

Sure, partisanshit will make this all go away.

Your posts seem to have no connection to the one they respond to.