One always has to ruin it for others

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I worked the worst ghettos in KC & DC and was never fearful. This fear argument is just dumb

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The objective would be to neutralize the intruder so he doesn't hurt or kill you.

Every time you pick up a gun in that situation, it is kill or be killed. That's all guns are designed to do, kill something.

That's like saying every time you pick up a bat it is kill or be killed. That's all bats are designed to do, break someone's skull. You're projecting your murderous desires on others.

That's nonsense. What's a bat for? Now what's a gun for? We don't send our soldiers to war, with bats.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I got 14 stitches on my forehead once from a bat in a bar fight in the parking lot. Do you suppose a gun would have been less painful?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I got 14 stitches on my forehead once from a bar fight in the parking lot. Do you suppose a gun would have been less painful?

Had the shot been fatal, you bet. That's how it works.

 

[hunarcy]

Terrible argument. Let's take the Colorado theater shooter, what if someone in the parking lot saw him go back in with them after he propped the side door? Should the have blindly trusted him as an innocent person just randomly carrying firearms into the movie?
Where I live I have NEVER seen a gun slung over someone's shoulder as they entered a fast food restaurant. And if I did you can bet your ass as an intelligent individual I would exercise caution.

Where I live, I've seen people carry firearms slung over their shoulders as they walk down the street without incident. I once had a car accident and ended up having to carry my firearm to a business to call for roadside assistance because the car couldn't be secured. According to you, everyone should have considered me a threat when I was really in need of assistance. I pity you for having to live in such fear.

Here we go again. FEAR is not a part of this discussion. Furthermore why did you pos rep me for that post and tell me good argument and then reply with this?

When did exercising caution and alertness become fear? Did I fall down a rabbit hole at some point and not notice?

Just because I like your argument and the fact that you're trying to discuss without abuse doesn't mean I'm going to agree with you.

Without the fear, why exercise caution?

 

[AntiParty]

a recent survey indicated that about 45% of americans own a gun. most of these gun fearing jokers live next to someone who owns a gun. have they even been hurt by it? No. Yet they let blind fear rule their thoughts.

Absolutely. Everyone has weapons in their homes, kitchen knives for instance. Yet guns are demonized, but kitchen knives are not. Blind fear has a double standard.

In my home, a kitchen knife is for cutting food. It is not a weapon. And that is true in almost all homes. Guns have only one purpose, to injure or kill. Comparing a gun to a kitchen knife is a false analogy.

Then carry a kitchen knife in line at Wal-Mart or Chipotle so everyone can see it.

Again the point will be that no one knows if you are enemy or friendly. You will make news.

"No, I was just carrying this kitchen knife in my hand in case someone tried to stab me in line."

I mean, Wal-Mart shoppers are all Ordinary people, (R)ight?

 

[hipeter924]

I mean, Wal-Mart shoppers are all Ordinary people, (R)ight?

Nope. Would never find me in one. Don't trust the quality of their goods, even Target is better (despite their security breach).

 

[hunarcy]

Where did race come into this?

One of the main reasons cited for carrying firearms is self defence.
Who's the more afraid - me unarmed, or someone who won't leave the house without an arsenal?

I believe you are more afraid, for you fear that there are people all around you with arsenals.

Exactly the same back at you - why else would you feel the need to protect yourself?
'Fraidy cat!

IF I carried a firearm for protection, it'd be for the same reason I own a fire extinguisher. I've never had a fire in my home, but it's prudent to be prepared.

 

[AntiParty]

I believe you are more afraid, for you fear that there are people all around you with arsenals.

Exactly the same back at you - why else would you feel the need to protect yourself?
'Fraidy cat!

IF I carried a firearm for protection, it'd be for the same reason I own a fire extinguisher. I've never had a fire in my home, but it's prudent to be prepared.

Great point!

Say you carried an Industrial Fire Extinguisher into a Chipotle............

You are free to do so, yes. But to every other person in the building you would look like a crazy person that doesn't know what AMERICA is.

By some source, you were convinced that you need an Industrial Fire Extinguisher wherever you go and you are proud to wheel it in and get pictures as a "responsible and problem preventive" type of person.

And the source all the while is the one making profit off of your stupidity.

Good thing it only cost $1,335.00! You will be the hero when there is a fire!
Triangle Fire, Inc. | Fire Extinguishers | Wheeled & Stationary | Amerex ABC Wheeled Fire Extinguisher - 50 lb

Yet standing there with your large canister of fear, You should notice that you ARE NOT FREE. You are scared to death for a specific reason.

 

[idb]

I believe you are more afraid, for you fear that there are people all around you with arsenals.

Exactly the same back at you - why else would you feel the need to protect yourself?
'Fraidy cat!

IF I carried a firearm for protection, it'd be for the same reason I own a fire extinguisher. I've never had a fire in my home, but it's prudent to be prepared.

Sooo, let me get this straight.

If you carry a firearm because you're concerned that you might encounter a malicious stranger with a weapon, you're being prudent.
However, if I go out of the house without a gun, but choose not to go into an eatery that has a bunch of yahoos in camo gear and puffer vests with long rifles or military style weapons standing at the counter then I'm being afraid.

Does that sum it up?

 

[Pogo]

Exactly the same back at you - why else would you feel the need to protect yourself?
'Fraidy cat!

IF I carried a firearm for protection, it'd be for the same reason I own a fire extinguisher. I've never had a fire in my home, but it's prudent to be prepared.

Great point!

Say you carried an Industrial Fire Extinguisher into a Chipotle............

You are free to do so, yes. But to every other person in the building you would look like a crazy person that doesn't know what AMERICA is. ...

More likely, the clientele would reasonably conclude that they must be in danger from a fire in the restaurant. After all, why else would you be carrying a fire extinguisher?

Now replace the fire extinguisher with the gun.

Bob's your uncle, thanks for playin'.

 

[Missourian]

Damn, this is a long thread for such a simple problem.

If you like the policy, eat more at chipolte's to make up for folks like me who won't be.

This is America.

And for y'all having the argument about fear or not fear...I'll settle that one for ya too.

I go to a controlled range to shoot, but my wife prefers the uncontrolled range that is closer to the house.

We went over there to shoot, and got maybe half an hour of plinkin' in when this group of young men show up to shoot next to us.

I immediately recognize that these kids are a bunch of idiots of the highest magnitude.

They don't put up a target, one just steps forward with one of those crappy Hi-Point 9mm carbines.

He charged the weapon and proceeded to attempt to shoot it three or four times.

Up until that moment, I was only mildly wary of the gun.

Failing to get the gun to discharge, he decided to turn around and set it on the table to work on it, loaded and charged...while it was pointed directly at me in the next lane.

Believe me, fear was exactly the word that describes that feeling.

 

[koshergrl]

IF I carried a firearm for protection, it'd be for the same reason I own a fire extinguisher. I've never had a fire in my home, but it's prudent to be prepared.

Great point!

Say you carried an Industrial Fire Extinguisher into a Chipotle............

You are free to do so, yes. But to every other person in the building you would look like a crazy person that doesn't know what AMERICA is. ...

More likely, the clientele would reasonably conclude that they must be in danger from a fire in the restaurant. After all, why else would you be carrying a fire extinguisher?

Now replace the fire extinguisher with the gun.

Bob's your uncle, thanks for playin'.

You really aren't as smart as you think. Restaurants are required by law to have fire extinguishers, so that safety issue really isn't. Bob's YOUR uncle, thanks for playing.

We have the right to carry our weapons. We have the right to defend ourselves. chipotle has the right to set themselves up for robbery and worse, and we have the right not to go there.

We still live in a free nation. Get over it.

 

[RKMBrown]

Every time you pick up a gun in that situation, it is kill or be killed. That's all guns are designed to do, kill something.

That's like saying every time you pick up a bat it is kill or be killed. That's all bats are designed to do, break someone's skull. You're projecting your murderous desires on others.

That's nonsense. What's a bat for? Now what's a gun for? We don't send our soldiers to war, with bats.

In a fight or at war, a bat or gun is for killing. When hunting a gun is for shooting game. When plinking, a gun is for recreation and/or competition. When used to shoot intruders a gun is for self-defense. When used to shoot predators a gun is for protecting your family, animals, etc.

But mostly a gun and a bat are inanimate objects used by a user to propel a projectile and apply force to a target.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Great point!

Say you carried an Industrial Fire Extinguisher into a Chipotle............

You are free to do so, yes. But to every other person in the building you would look like a crazy person that doesn't know what AMERICA is. ...

More likely, the clientele would reasonably conclude that they must be in danger from a fire in the restaurant. After all, why else would you be carrying a fire extinguisher?

Now replace the fire extinguisher with the gun.

Bob's your uncle, thanks for playin'.

You really aren't as smart as you think. Restaurants are required by law to have fire extinguishers, so that safety issue really isn't. Bob's YOUR uncle, thanks for playing.

We have the right to carry our weapons. We have the right to defend ourselves. chipotle has the right to set themselves up for robbery and worse, and we have the right not to go there.

We still live in a free nation. Get over it.

You saying you're never gonna goto Chipotle because of this stores policy against openly carrying long guns?

 

[hunarcy]

Exactly the same back at you - why else would you feel the need to protect yourself?
'Fraidy cat!

IF I carried a firearm for protection, it'd be for the same reason I own a fire extinguisher. I've never had a fire in my home, but it's prudent to be prepared.

Great point!

Say you carried an Industrial Fire Extinguisher into a Chipotle............

You are free to do so, yes. But to every other person in the building you would look like a crazy person that doesn't know what AMERICA is.

By some source, you were convinced that you need an Industrial Fire Extinguisher wherever you go and you are proud to wheel it in and get pictures as a "responsible and problem preventive" type of person.

And the source all the while is the one making profit off of your stupidity.

Good thing it only cost $1,335.00! You will be the hero when there is a fire!
Triangle Fire, Inc. | Fire Extinguishers | Wheeled & Stationary | Amerex ABC Wheeled Fire Extinguisher - 50 lb

Yet standing there with your large canister of fear, You should notice that you ARE NOT FREE. You are scared to death for a specific reason.

Wow, what a weird response. I talk about having a fire extinguisher in my home and you go off making up some strange tale about Industrial Fire Extinguishers. You tried to make a point, but got so caught up in your illusion that you missed your mark.

 

[hunarcy]

Exactly the same back at you - why else would you feel the need to protect yourself?
'Fraidy cat!

IF I carried a firearm for protection, it'd be for the same reason I own a fire extinguisher. I've never had a fire in my home, but it's prudent to be prepared.

Sooo, let me get this straight.

If you carry a firearm because you're concerned that you might encounter a malicious stranger with a weapon, you're being prudent.
However, if I go out of the house without a gun, but choose not to go into an eatery that has a bunch of yahoos in camo gear and puffer vests with long rifles or military style weapons standing at the counter then I'm being afraid.

Does that sum it up?

If they are doing nothing but acting normally while carrying a firearm, then yes you are.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

That's like saying every time you pick up a bat it is kill or be killed. That's all bats are designed to do, break someone's skull. You're projecting your murderous desires on others.

That's nonsense. What's a bat for? Now what's a gun for? We don't send our soldiers to war, with bats.

In a fight or at war, a bat or gun is for killing. When hunting a gun is for shooting game. When plinking, a gun is for recreation and/or competition. When used to shoot intruders a gun is for self-defense. When used to shoot predators a gun is for protecting your family, animals, etc.

But mostly a gun and a bat are inanimate objects used by a user to propel a projectile and apply force to a target.

Guns were invented to kill. That's all they are for.

 

[hunarcy]

That's nonsense. What's a bat for? Now what's a gun for? We don't send our soldiers to war, with bats.

In a fight or at war, a bat or gun is for killing. When hunting a gun is for shooting game. When plinking, a gun is for recreation and/or competition. When used to shoot intruders a gun is for self-defense. When used to shoot predators a gun is for protecting your family, animals, etc.

But mostly a gun and a bat are inanimate objects used by a user to propel a projectile and apply force to a target.

Guns were invented to kill. That's all they are for.

WRONG! Guns were invented to send a projectile downrange. The choice and purpose for sending it downrange belongs to a human.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

In a fight or at war, a bat or gun is for killing. When hunting a gun is for shooting game. When plinking, a gun is for recreation and/or competition. When used to shoot intruders a gun is for self-defense. When used to shoot predators a gun is for protecting your family, animals, etc.

But mostly a gun and a bat are inanimate objects used by a user to propel a projectile and apply force to a target.

Guns were invented to kill. That's all they are for.

WRONG! Guns were invented to send a projectile downrange. The choice and purpose for sending it downrange belongs to a human.

That's is incorrect and your rationalization is beyond stupid.