Opposition to Gay Marriage - Any Basis Other Than Intolerance and Bigotry?

[Google]

Check (1) who did the poll, (2) check for bias, (3) check for date, (4) check by location, (5) check by age groups. Check the range of polls.

You and I both know that you tried, and have failed, to pull a fast one.

Not only are you are a hard headed cultural fascist, you are a liar as well.

Are you that dense? You are a perfect example of the mentality of the left. Lying is okay so long as it promotes 'progressive' causes. Obama can lie about his mother being denied health insurance because the ends justifies the means.

You have no proof of that 30% number. You didn't hesitate to type it without any knowledge because that is the number you believe it should be.

When I show you Gallup and Rasmussen polls that is your response? You are a intellectual giant

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Since when does the left give a damn about marriage? The left has been at war with the institution of marriage since the 60's, yet now they are out there preaching that gays must be given the special 'right' to marry.

Homosexual political organizations and leaders have made it clear that gay marriage is not about civil rights--gays can enter contractual agreements that have the same commitments as a heterosexual marriage--it is about assaulting and denigrating the Christian faith. (Homosexual Activists Disrupt Mass; Refused Communion | Courageous Priest)

Homosexual extremist organizations, all of them except the Log Cabin Republicans, all around the country have disrupted Catholic masses and other denominational services. In one case dozens stormed in and began engaging in sexual explicit conduct in the pews and insulting communion.

This kind of bigotry--and you compare how homosexuals portray and speak about Christians to how Christians behave and tell me whose bigoted--would make national headlines if it where against gays.

The last acceptable form of intolerance and bigotry is that against Christians, and they use the guise of being against all religions but they are mute on all other religions.

THAT is what homosexual 'marriage' is all about.

"Recent estimates of mental health morbidity among adults reporting same-gender sexual partners suggest that lesbians, gay men, and bisexual individuals may experience excess risk for some mental disorders as compared with heterosexual individuals. However, sexual orientation has not been measured directly..." http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=...2003-01069-008

Studies have consistently shown that homosexuals are far more likely to commit suicide, be diagnosed with a mental disorder, and are more likely to contract STD's.

Despite the homosexual's propaganda about AID's being a problem not limited to the gay community study after study has shown since the discovery of the AID's virus overwhelming majority are homosexual or a drug addict.

"In the USA, it is estimated that nearly 255,000 men who have sex with men were living with HIV/AIDS in 2007, and nearly 5,400 had died. Around 48% of all people diagnosed with AIDS in America in 2007 were probably exposed to HIV through male-to-male sexual contact.1 In the UK, by the end of June 2009, around 45,947 diagnoses of HIV had been in men who had probably become infected through sex with another man. 53% of these men were aged below 35." HIV, AIDS and Young Gay Men

What I find incredibly sickening is the constant comparison of gay special rights to the struggle for civil rights that the black community fought so hard for.

It is sickening to compare parades where men engage in sexual activities in public, so obscene here in Atlanta parents simply avoided the city and the police just look the other way, to the marches in Selma and police releasing attack dogs.

But that is the mentality of the left, and the black community by and large resents that comparison. The gays are beginning to turn on the black community as well, very resentful for their roll in preventing homosexual supposed 'marriage' in California of all places LOL.

It’s as if the Framers had you in mind when they drafted the Constitution.

Fortunately the rule of law trumps your ignorance and the ignorance you represent.

In Romer v. Evans (1996), where the Court struck down Colorado Amendment 2 of its constitution excluding homosexuals from anti-discrimination laws, Justice Kennedy noted:

It is not within our constitutional tradition to enact laws of this sort. Central both to the idea of the rule of law and to our own Constitution's guarantee of equal protection is the principle that government and each of its parts remain open on impartial terms to all who seek its assistance. “‘Equal protection of the laws is not achieved through indiscriminate imposition of inequalities.'” Sweatt v. Painter, 339 U.S. 629, 635 (1950) (quoting Shelley v. Kraemer, 334 U.S. 1, 22 (1948)). Respect for this principle explains why laws singling out a certain class of citizens for disfavored legal status or general hardships are rare. A law declaring that in general it shall be more difficult for one group of citizens than for all others to seek aid from the government is itself a denial of equal protection of the laws in the most literal sense. “The guaranty of 'equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws.'” Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942) (quoting Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886)).

The primary rationale the State offers for Amendment 2 is respect for other citizens' freedom of association, and in particular the liberties of landlords or employers who have personal or religious objections to homosexuality. Colorado also cites its interest in conserving resources to fight discrimination against other groups. The breadth of the Amendment is so far removed from these particular justifications that we find it impossible to credit them. We cannot say that Amendment 2 is directed to any identifiable legitimate purpose or discrete objective. It is a status-based enactment divorced from any factual context from which we could discern a relationship to legitimate state interests; it is a classification of persons undertaken for its own sake, something the Equal Protection Clause does not permit. “[C]lass legislation . . . [is] obnoxious to the prohibitions of the Fourteenth Amendment . . . .” Civil Rights Cases, 109 U.S., at 24.

We must conclude that Amendment 2 classifies homosexuals not to further a proper legislative end but to make them unequal to everyone else. This Colorado cannot do. A State cannot so deem a class of persons a stranger to its laws. Amendment 2 violates the Equal Protection Clause, and the judgment of the Supreme Court of Colorado is affirmed.

Romer v. Evans

 

[Google]

Why is Gay rights a Liberal issue? Shouldn't the equal rights of every American citizen be an issue of bi-partisan, National interest?

One would hope that personal prejudices would never interfere with equality before the law.

Simple: gays already have the same rights as every other American. Gays want privileges, not rights. The fact the liberals call something a right doesn't make it a right. In fact, precisely the opposite is normally the case.

Not privileges, special rights. The same civil rights as everyone isn't good enough.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Check (1) who did the poll, (2) check for bias, (3) check for date, (4) check by location, (5) check by age groups. Check the range of polls.

You and I both know that you tried, and have failed, to pull a fast one.

Not only are you are a hard headed cultural fascist, you are a liar as well.

Are you that dense? You are a perfect example of the mentality of the left. Lying is okay so long as it promotes 'progressive' causes. Obama can lie about his mother being denied health insurance because the ends justifies the means.

You have no proof of that 30% number. You didn't hesitate to type it without any knowledge because that is the number you believe it should be.

When I show you Gallup and Rasmussen polls that is your response? You are a intellectual giant

You aren't. You are a liar with the narrative. You can fix it if you wish before I go looking for the material that will embassy you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why is Gay rights a Liberal issue? Shouldn't the equal rights of every American citizen be an issue of bi-partisan, National interest?

One would hope that personal prejudices would never interfere with equality before the law.

Simple: gays already have the same rights as every other American. Gays want privileges, not rights. The fact the liberals call something a right doesn't make it a right. In fact, precisely the opposite is normally the case.

Not privileges, special rights. The same civil rights as everyone isn't good enough.

Supreme Court disagrees. Only a matter of time.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Google is not worth it. Check the demographics, people. The Googles are going to die out as the citizens grow younger. Here we all go:

Poll: Support For Same Sex Marriage Grows - Political Hotsheet ...
Poll: Support For Same Sex Marriage Grows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News - Cached
Apr 27, 2009 – CBS News/NY Times Survey Finds Increasing Support For Legalizing Gay Marriage As It Takes Hold In More States Read more by Brian Montopoli ...
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Majority of Americans support gay marriage in poll | Reuters
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/www.reuters.com/.../us-gay-marriage-poll-idUSTRE74K0B5201105... - Cached
May 20, 2011 – LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Fifty-three percent of Americans support making gay marriage legal, a Gallup poll showed on Friday, a marked ...
Poll: Support For Gay Marriage Growing
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/www.huffingtonpost.com/.../poll-gay-marriage-support_n_830858... - Cached
Mar 3, 2011 – A new poll released Thursday by the Pew Research Center finds growing support in the U.S. for allowing same-sex marriage, with as many ...
Civil Rights
Civil Rights - Cached
Quinnipiac University Poll. July 5-11, 2011. N=2311 registered voters nationwide. ... "Would you support or oppose a law in your state that would allow same-sex ... "Under current federal law spouses in same-sex marriages are denied ...
Same-sex marriage: Support in polls for same-sex marriage could ...
articles.latimes.com/2011/.../la-me-gay-marriage-support-20110523 - Cached
May 23, 2011 – A series of recent polls suggesting a majority of Americans support the right of gays to marry may influence the outcome of the legal ...
For First Time, Majority of Americans Favor Legal Gay Marriage
http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...irst-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-...
May 20, 2011 – Majorities of moderates and liberals support gay marriage, ... Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted May ...

 

[Bigfoot]

Despite the homosexual's propaganda about AID's being a problem not limited to the gay community study after study has shown since the discovery of the AID's virus overwhelming majority are homosexual or a drug addict.

"In the USA, it is estimated that nearly 255,000 men who have sex with men were living with HIV/AIDS in 2007, and nearly 5,400 had died. Around 48% of all people diagnosed with AIDS in America in 2007 were probably exposed to HIV through male-to-male sexual contact.1 In the UK, by the end of June 2009, around 45,947 diagnoses of HIV had been in men who had probably become infected through sex with another man. 53% of these men were aged below 35."

That's so gay!

 

[Google]

It’s as if the Framers had you in mind when they drafted the Constitution.

Fortunately the rule of law trumps your ignorance and the ignorance you represent.

Yes I'm sure the founding fathers had the intention of allowing homosexual marriage. They had me in mind.

Tell me where in the Constitution you are using to justifying forcing states to allow homosexual marriage?

The left loves to distort and invoke the Constitution--which they loath--when it serves their purpose. Hell, they are out there today saying Reagan--who they also loath--would raise the debt ceiling. When it is convenient they invoke the qualities of things they will denounce in the next breath.

If you think this Supreme Court is going to rule in your favor...well I guess we will see then. But if they rule against gay marriage you will still believe it is constitutional.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times, Google.

This conservative Catholic-dominated court will not rule against universal marriage. You better check the nine's families and friends. Seven, probably eight, will vote against DOMA.

 

[Google]

Google is not worth it. Check the demographics, people. The Googles are going to die out as the citizens grow younger. Here we all go:

Poll: Support For Same Sex Marriage Grows - Political Hotsheet ...
Poll: Support For Same Sex Marriage Grows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News - Cached
Apr 27, 2009 – CBS News/NY Times Survey Finds Increasing Support For Legalizing Gay Marriage As It Takes Hold In More States Read more by Brian Montopoli ...
►
Majority of Americans support gay marriage in poll | Reuters
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/www.reuters.com/.../us-gay-marriage-poll-idUSTRE74K0B5201105... - Cached
May 20, 2011 – LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Fifty-three percent of Americans support making gay marriage legal, a Gallup poll showed on Friday, a marked ...
Poll: Support For Gay Marriage Growing
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/www.huffingtonpost.com/.../poll-gay-marriage-support_n_830858... - Cached
Mar 3, 2011 – A new poll released Thursday by the Pew Research Center finds growing support in the U.S. for allowing same-sex marriage, with as many ...
Civil Rights
Civil Rights - Cached
Quinnipiac University Poll. July 5-11, 2011. N=2311 registered voters nationwide. ... "Would you support or oppose a law in your state that would allow same-sex ... "Under current federal law spouses in same-sex marriages are denied ...
Same-sex marriage: Support in polls for same-sex marriage could ...
articles.latimes.com/2011/.../la-me-gay-marriage-support-20110523 - Cached
May 23, 2011 – A series of recent polls suggesting a majority of Americans support the right of gays to marry may influence the outcome of the legal ...
For First Time, Majority of Americans Favor Legal Gay Marriage
http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...irst-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-...
May 20, 2011 – Majorities of moderates and liberals support gay marriage, ... Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted May ...

Listen everyone can look over the Gallup and Rasmussen--the most respected and accurate polling organizations in America--and compare them with your lame attempt to cover up your blatant lie, and they can decide which source is more believable.

You believe that 70% of Americans support gay marriage, or only 30% oppose, yet 42 out of 50 states do not allow homosexual marriage.

I love how you don't say anything about the AID's statistics. Got to consider that source too? CDC too rightwing for you.

"Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States..."

 

[JakeStarkey]

The numbers clearly show that you are in the minority by the aggregate of all the polls.

You are losing this discussion based not on my sayso but on the polls.

You are not mainstream, period.

 

[Google]

Reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times, Google.

This conservative Catholic-dominated court will not rule against universal marriage. You better check the nine's families and friends. Seven, probably eight, will vote against DOMA.

Well I don't have a crystal ball and don't make shit up so I'll just wait for that decision.

That is your point? Miss Cleo-style bullshit to prove a point? Lame...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Simple: gays already have the same rights as every other American. Gays want privileges, not rights. The fact the liberals call something a right doesn't make it a right. In fact, precisely the opposite is normally the case.

Not privileges, special rights. The same civil rights as everyone isn't good enough.

You’re both wrong – again, and as usual.

In Romer the Court rejected the inane argument that ensuring homosexuals equal access and protection of the law per the 14th Amendment does not constitute ‘special rights’:

The State's principal argument in defense of Amendment 2 is that it puts gays and lesbians in the same position as all other persons. So, the State says, the measure does no more than deny homosexuals special rights. This reading of the amendment's language is implausible. We rely not upon our own interpretation of the amendment but upon the authoritative construction of Colorado's Supreme Court. The state court, deeming it unnecessary to determine the full extent of the amendment's reach, found it invalid even on a modest reading of its implications. The critical discussion of the amendment, set out in Evans I, is as follows:

"The immediate objective of Amendment 2 is, at a minimum, to repeal existing statutes, regulations, ordinances, and policies of state and local entities that barred discrimination based on sexual orientation. See Aspen, Colo., Mun. Code §13-98 (1977) (prohibiting discrimination in employment, housing and public accommodations on the basis of sexual orientation); Boulder, Colo., Rev. Code §§12-1-2 to "4 (1987) (same); Denver, Colo., Rev. Mun. Code art. IV, §§28-91 to "116 (1991) (same); Executive Order No. D0035 (December 10, 1990) (prohibiting employment discrimination for `all state employees, classified and exempt' on the basis of sexual orientation); Colorado Insurance Code, §10-3-1104, 4A C. R. S. (1992 Supp.) (forbidding health insurance providers from determining insurability and premiums based on an applicant's, a beneficiary's, or an insured's sexual orientation); and various provisions prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation at state colleges.26

"26 Metropolitan State College of Denver prohibits college sponsored social clubs from discriminating in membership on the basis of sexual orientation and Colorado State University has an antidiscrimination policy which encompasses sexual orientation.

"The `ultimate effect' of Amendment 2 is to prohibit any governmental entity from adopting similar, or more protective statutes, regulations, ordinances, or policies in the future unless the state constitution is first amended to permit such measures." 854 P. 2d, at 1284-1285, and n. 26.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times, Google.

This conservative Catholic-dominated court will not rule against universal marriage. You better check the nine's families and friends. Seven, probably eight, will vote against DOMA.

Well I don't have a crystal ball and don't make shit up so I'll just wait for that decision.

That is your point? Miss Cleo-style bullshit to prove a point? Lame...

Yeah, you do make stuff, then you whine when your opinion gets kicked into the corner because of its lack of merits, then you whine in a PM.

You DON'T have the numbers, the president, or SCOTUS. These are facts.

Live with them and don't stick your head in the sand.

 

[Google]

Reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times, Google.

This conservative Catholic-dominated court will not rule against universal marriage. You better check the nine's families and friends. Seven, probably eight, will vote against DOMA.

Well I don't have a crystal ball and don't make shit up so I'll just wait for that decision.

That is your point? Miss Cleo-style bullshit to prove a point? Lame...

Yeah, you do make stuff, then you whine when your opinion gets kicked into the corner because of its lack of merits, then you whine in a PM.

You DON'T have the numbers, the president, or SCOTUS. These are facts.

Live with them and don't stick your head in the sand.

You posted a CBS poll from 2009 and a bunch of links to other threads on this board to prove your point.

I posted polls that were taken this year.

I'm done speaking with you. If you believe you won that's fine.

You have made it clear there isn't any point in talking to you 'Ignore' BYE!!

 

[Google]

Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



You are LAME. Get your head out of your ass.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Google has not responded to polls and materials from 2009 to this month. She is in the minority, and those who feel like here are in the minority. The law is against here. The administration won't defend DOMA, and the state legislatures and courts are overthrowing the laws against universal marriage.

I have not missed anything. Google, like others here, are simply wailing and bailing because they don't like it.

They have every right to complain, and I defend that right.

Google et al, however, do not have the right to make stuff up.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Tell me where in the Constitution you are using to justifying forcing states to allow homosexual marriage?

14th Amendment, see the Romer citations.

The left loves to distort and invoke the Constitution--which they loath--when it serves their purpose. Hell, they are out there today saying Reagan--who they also loath--would raise the debt ceiling. When it is convenient they invoke the qualities of things they will denounce in the next breath.

This has nothing to do with ‘the left.’ The Supreme Court decides what the Constitution means, and interprets the law accordingly. It was the Framers original intent to ensure citizens not be subject to the tyranny of the majority; that we are ruled by law, not men – as men are incapable of ruling justly. As you so amply demonstrate.

If you think this Supreme Court is going to rule in your favor...well I guess we will see then. But if they rule against gay marriage you will still believe it is constitutional.

The Court doesn’t ‘rule in one’s favor,’ it rules in favor of all of us, we all realize greater freedom and security from government overreach when the rights of all citizens are affirmed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Google is simply having a hysterical hissy, which is her right, though it is tiring enough.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I knew a girl once who reminded me of Google. She was like a rat. Step on em and they make an awful squeal. The girl next door made a similar sound, like Google, when I was a boy. She must have had some rat in her now that I think of it. Brown hair, beady eyes, liked cheese. Might be she had a tail. I never looked to see. compliments Dance of Dragons.