Outrage Grows After Undocumented Father Arrested in Front of Daughter Near School

[Eloy]

The DUI was dealt with decades ago to the satisfaction of a court.

So does he have a DUI conviction?

The historic DUI case is closed.

I'm sorry, but an Illegal Alien committing other crimes, isn't a good scenario for the host country. Why would that country want them to stay? I mean, they're already breaking the law being here. But then they go out and commit other crimes? Sorry, but the host country has every right to boot them. In fact, i fully expect my Government to do that.

The crimes you refer to were old misdemeanors and closed cases. They cannot even be used again according to the principle of double jeopardy.
Not having travel papers is not a crime.

I feel there's more to this story. I don't think a past DUI conviction alone, would have prompted them to issue a Deportation Order. There has to be more. That's my gut feeling.

Plenty of posters on USMessageBoard have enough to condemn this father.

 

[tycho1572]

So does he have a DUI conviction?

The historic DUI case is closed.

I'm sorry, but an Illegal Alien committing other crimes, isn't a good scenario for the host country. Why would that country want them to stay? I mean, they're already breaking the law being here. But then they go out and commit other crimes? Sorry, but the host country has every right to boot them. In fact, i fully expect my Government to do that.

The crimes you refer to were old misdemeanors and closed cases. They cannot even be used again according to the principle of double jeopardy.
Not having travel papers is not a crime.

Try selling that to the dept that took him into custody, dumbass. lol

You really are an idiot. It's obvious you have no f'ing clue about what's actually happening.

We cannot all be brainy.

We don't need you to remind us of that.

 

[Dschrute3]

The DUI was dealt with decades ago to the satisfaction of a court.

So does he have a DUI conviction?

The historic DUI case is closed.

I'm sorry, but an Illegal Alien committing other crimes, isn't a good scenario for the host country. Why would that country want them to stay? I mean, they're already breaking the law being here. But then they go out and commit other crimes? Sorry, but the host country has every right to boot them. In fact, i fully expect my Government to do that.

The crimes you refer to were old misdemeanors and closed cases. They cannot even be used again according to the principle of double jeopardy.
Not having travel papers is not a crime.

Past crimes can be used to establish a pattern of criminal behavior.

Maybe it's just me, but i would think an Illegal Alien would do everything possible to not commit any other crimes in the country he or she has entered.I mean, they're already committing a crime. Committing additional crimes would be begging for prison or Deportation.

 

[Eloy]

By all accounts, the father was an ordinary law-abiding person

Except the DUI... And the stolen car... And coming here illegally ( and probably using a stolen ID and SS number)...And ignoring his initial deportation order.
I'll miss him when he goes back to Mexico. He sounded like a swell guy.

That's why i wait till the whole story comes out. The report was designed to illicit a knee-jerk response against Immigration Officials. More 'Fake News.' He may have been wanted for other crimes. If not, i'm a fair-minded person. Something reasonable could be worked out.

We have the whole story. There are cruel and heartless people who back-up the police every time, contrary to your belief.

We have the whole story.

Then why the kidnapping lie?

I saw the man being kidnapped in the video made by his distraught American daughter.

Taken into custody by legal authorities is not kidnapping.

Tell that to his crying child.

 

[keepitreal]

As far as an historical DUI conviction, that case is closed.

Just because the case is closed doesn't mean all is forgiven.

You get a DUI in this country, you may lose your drivers license for a number of months. If it's one of several, you may lose your license for years or even forever. More than likely, you will have to pay huge insurance premiums being on High Risk.

As a professional driver, I would not only lose my license for a period of time, but I would also lose my career for life.

Quit acting like this clown is being treated unfairly.

You get a DUI in this country, you may lose your drivers license for a number of months. If it's one of several, you may lose your license for years or even forever. More than likely, you will have to pay huge insurance premiums being on High Risk.

Thanks Ray...^this right here brings into question...

I've read about the DUI charges but, nothing accompanying
those charges in articles, related to driving without a license,
or driving without insurance.

If he had a license, how so...
For him to legally obtain a license,
he would have had to do so through fraudulent means.

If he would have killed someone drunk behind the wheel
these nuts who defend him being illegally here
and poo poo an old DUI, would still find a way to justify it!

 

[SYTFE]

They are not the LAPD, dipshit.

How does your foot and hat taste, idiot asshole?

City Leaders Demand That ICE Stop Identifying Themselves As 'Police'

"ICE stresses that the practice is not illegal. In a statement, the agency states that, "As a standard practice, special agents and officers with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) may initially identify themselves as 'police' during an encounter because it is the universally recognized term for law enforcement and our personnel routinely interact with individuals from around the world." The statement adds that agents wear uniforms and jackets that display "ICE" on it, which "indicate the specific law enforcement agency being represented."

And? Does that say that ICE is LAPD -- you clown? They are NOT the LAPD, conservative fuckboy.

Read the letter yourself, idiot. Or would you prefer that I transcribe it on a big piece of cardboard in crayon for you?

Letter to S Curda (2 23 17) (2)

February 23, 2017
Susan M. Curda
District Director
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
300 N. Los Angeles Street

Los Angeles, CA 90012

Dear Ms. Curda:

According to a Los Angeles Times report, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents operating in Los Angeles have identified themselves as police officers in the course of immigration investigations and enforcement. The purpose of this letter is to urge in the strongest possible terms that ICE immediately cease this practice in our city.

For forty years, the Los Angeles Police Department and the Los Angeles City Attorney's office have worked to gain the trust, respect and cooperation of all our city's residents. This hard-won confidence makes all of Los Angeles safer, encouraging witnesses and victims of crime to come forward irrespective of their immigration status. Indeed, the LAPD manual states that participation by undocumented residents in police activities serves to "increase the Department's ability to protect and serve the entire community." The same holds true for interactions between undocumented residents and the City Attorney's prosecutors.

As a reSult, when ICE agents targeting immigrants identify themselves only as "police" officers, they
undermine decades of this work, eroding public safety in our city. In Los Angeles, the term "police" is
synonymous with the Los Angeles Police Department, so for ICE agents to represent themselves as police misleads the public into believing they are interacting with LAPD. This is especially corrosive given that to advance public safety, LAPD does not initiate police action with the objective of determining a persons immigration status.

In sum, decades of experience by LAPD and City Attorney prosecutors demonstrate the city we serve will be less safe if any member of our large and diverse immigrant population is driven underground, dissuaded from providing valuable information and cooperation because they fear contact with our own police force.

Especially in these turbulent and uncertain times, we urge that ICE agents Operating in Los Angeles immediately stop representing they are police officers.

Thank you.

Sincerely.

Eric Garcetti Mike Feuer Herb J. Wesscm
Mayor City Attorney President, Los Angeles City Council

According to a Los Angeles Times report, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents operating in Los Angeles have identified themselves as police officers in the course of immigration investigations and enforcement.

They are police officers.

As a reSult, when ICE agents targeting immigrants identify themselves only as "police" officers, they
undermine decades of this work, eroding public safety in our city. In Los Angeles, the term "police" is
synonymous with the Los Angeles Police Department, so for ICE agents to represent themselves as police misleads the public into believing they are interacting with LAPD.

Boo-fucking-hoo.

They are NOT police officers, idiot.

How many people does it take to show you you're wrong before you admit it? Hilarious.

Admit what? It is legal for ICE to pretend to be police, but they are NOT POLICE OFFICERS. They are federal immigration agents. NOT part of any local police department.

END OF FUCKING STORY.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's why i wait till the whole story comes out. The report was designed to illicit a knee-jerk response against Immigration Officials. More 'Fake News.' He may have been wanted for other crimes. If not, i'm a fair-minded person. Something reasonable could be worked out.

We have the whole story. There are cruel and heartless people who back-up the police every time, contrary to your belief.

We have the whole story.

Then why the kidnapping lie?

I saw the man being kidnapped in the video made by his distraught American daughter.

Taken into custody by legal authorities is not kidnapping.

Tell that to his crying child.

I'll be happy to.....where is she?

 

[Eloy]

As far as an historical DUI conviction, that case is closed.

Just because the case is closed doesn't mean all is forgiven.

You get a DUI in this country, you may lose your drivers license for a number of months. If it's one of several, you may lose your license for years or even forever. More than likely, you will have to pay huge insurance premiums being on High Risk.

As a professional driver, I would not only lose my license for a period of time, but I would also lose my career for life.

Quit acting like this clown is being treated unfairly.

I believe in the double jeopardy protection.

 

[deannalw]

I didn't say or imply ANY of that keepitreal

I am saying to avoid escalating the confrontations by having a procedure set up in advance, where all residents agree to follow the laws and process.

I am saying to obey the laws and teach/train all community members to comply.

Sorry this wasn't clear. it is possible to be compassionate for both the citizens and govt/law enforcement AND uphold and enforce laws to deter and correct any breaches. It's not like one has to compromise the other.

Good govt is like good parenting.
You don't wait until you catch the kids breaking rules to suddenly ditch all kinds of scary punishment to deter them. The proper way is to teach, mentor and model the standard that you want to see enforced.

If we SKIP that step and don't teach people the laws and set up means for people to follow lawful process, can we wonder why people get thrown in jail with charges BEFORE they ever read what their rights are?

When we run classrooms, the teacher has all the students write out and ESTABLISH the rules of the classroom from DAY ONE.

We don't teach people the process of laws and enforcement processes, and don't require them to go through training, pass tests and sign agreements to follow the laws. We do this for drivers to get licenses. Why not do this for people to have rights and privileges of citizenship? Don't you think teaching people the laws and the responsibilities for compliance in advance might work to reduce problems? And that's why teachers do this in schools, and that's why we test and license drivers before letting them drive on the roads?

Why not do the same with law enforcement?

Teaching undocumented residents the laws will not change their status.
There is an inherent lack of justice in deporting ordinary law-abiding residents especially after living for decades as a law-abiding person and going on to marry and becoming a parent.
The federal government should understand this.
When Donald Trump said he wanted undocumented persons (normally Mexicans and others from Central America) deported, even he specified he meant career criminals (those guilty of murder, armed robbery, rapists, etc.) but over-zealous uniformed Immigration and Naturalization personnel are sweeping quite ordinary people into the net. The people were told by the president that it would be mean hombres who were to be targeted but something else, something inherently in-American, something ugly is happening instead.

There is nothing "ugly" about removing people that don't belong here. These are not "ordinary law biding citizens" these are people who illegally came to this country or illegally overstayed their Visa.

I don't know of any law or part of our immigration system that says if you sneak in, stay out of trouble for a few decades, all is well with us. If there is such a law, please post it with a link. Until that time, if you are not supposed to be here, you can and will get kicked out no matter how much trouble you do or don't cause.

Your inability or refusal to empathize with the child and her father is why you see no ugliness in this event.
By all accounts, the father was an ordinary law-abiding person. A DUI conviction being used to portray him as a criminal is unreasonable when there are murderers, armed robbers, and rapists on the loose.

Judges do take into consideration a previous record before passing judgement. It would be cruel to do otherwise. This is not a law but it is common jurisprudence. Judges do not look at people in an absolutist way but take into consideration mitigating circumstances, for example if an offender has been staying on the right side of the law for decades and has been responsible with a life in the United States, married and raising a family. Treating a good father-of-four the same as a career criminal is unjust.
Mitigating Circumstances in Sentencing
The father has done no harm and has a clean record for two decades. A judge will sentence accordingly.

By all accounts, the father was an ordinary law-abiding person

Except the DUI... And the stolen car... And coming here illegally ( and probably using a stolen ID and SS number)...And ignoring his initial deportation order.
I'll miss him when he goes back to Mexico. He sounded like a swell guy.

The DUI and a car not properly registered two decades before is far from murder, armed robbery or rape.

So if I just steal a car, I shouldn't be punished... it's not a REAL bad crime like murder. Cool... I love the neighbors camaro.

 

[keepitreal]

That's why i wait till the whole story comes out. The report was designed to illicit a knee-jerk response against Immigration Officials. More 'Fake News.' He may have been wanted for other crimes. If not, i'm a fair-minded person. Something reasonable could be worked out.

We have the whole story. There are cruel and heartless people who back-up the police every time, contrary to your belief.

We have the whole story.

Then why the kidnapping lie?

I saw the man being kidnapped in the video made by his distraught American daughter.

Taken into custody by legal authorities is not kidnapping.

Tell that to his crying child.

Tell that to his crying c

Maybe she was crying cause she didn't know
if she could be charged with aiding and abetting a fugitive

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I can relate to both sides to this.
I once was given the orders to go fire a teacher who had stolen confidential information / property to use
to take clients from a school for a competing tutoring business.
Clearly this was a violation of school property and grounds for dismissal.

but the way I went about it, I confronted and removed the teacher
in front of very upset students. The parents and students and teacher
were crying to each other over the phone afterwards, because no advance
warning was given and it was very traumatizing. We could have called in the parents with the
teacher and let them know what was happening right after telling
the teacher in private, and reduce the shock and upset.

So there are ways to take action civilly and orderly
where it doesn't have to traumatize the children affected.

Police coming to get parents who have violated parole
or probation often run into these confrontations that
make the kids "hate the police," so it causes severe damage
unless people plan ahead and set up better procedures.

The added benefitsd: by setting up agreed processes to begin with
not only are the community members made knowledgeable of laws and policing,
but the real problem people will get screened out if they have no
intention of complying ad cooperating with authorities. So the police
will already know which people are able to be law abiding
and which ones are truly criminally abusive, so they don't confuse the two.

So there are ways to take action civilly and orderly
where it doesn't have to traumatize the children affected.

His kids knew he was an illegal immigrant

They were willingly aiding and abetting a fugitive

A crime doesn't stop being a crime because
you consider it to be stupid or unfair.

They were all aware of the risk of getting caught
but, why worry bout it, the laws aren't enforced

He didn't worry about being removed from the country
or his family, when he foolishly decided...yeah,
being an illegal and driving drunk is a smart thing to do.

I think it was a good thing, the way it went down
It's important for children to realize...choices have consequences
Not agreeing with our laws doesn't make them above the law!

School of Hard Knocks-101

I didn't say or imply ANY of that keepitreal

I am saying to avoid escalating the confrontations by having a procedure set up in advance, where all residents agree to follow the laws and process.

I am saying to obey the laws and teach/train all community members to comply.

Sorry this wasn't clear. it is possible to be compassionate for both the citizens and govt/law enforcement AND uphold and enforce laws to deter and correct any breaches. It's not like one has to compromise the other.

Good govt is like good parenting.
You don't wait until you catch the kids breaking rules to suddenly ditch all kinds of scary punishment to deter them. The proper way is to teach, mentor and model the standard that you want to see enforced.

If we SKIP that step and don't teach people the laws and set up means for people to follow lawful process, can we wonder why people get thrown in jail with charges BEFORE they ever read what their rights are?

When we run classrooms, the teacher has all the students write out and ESTABLISH the rules of the classroom from DAY ONE.

We don't teach people the process of laws and enforcement processes, and don't require them to go through training, pass tests and sign agreements to follow the laws. We do this for drivers to get licenses. Why not do this for people to have rights and privileges of citizenship? Don't you think teaching people the laws and the responsibilities for compliance in advance might work to reduce problems? And that's why teachers do this in schools, and that's why we test and license drivers before letting them drive on the roads?

Why not do the same with law enforcement?

Teaching undocumented residents the laws will not change their status.
There is an inherent lack of justice in deporting ordinary law-abiding residents especially after living for decades as a law-abiding person and going on to marry and becoming a parent.
The federal government should understand this.
When Donald Trump said he wanted undocumented persons (normally Mexicans and others from Central America) deported, even he specified he meant career criminals (those guilty of murder, armed robbery, rapists, etc.) but over-zealous uniformed Immigration and Naturalization personnel are sweeping quite ordinary people into the net. The people were told by the president that it would be mean hombres who were to be targeted but something else, something inherently in-American, something ugly is happening instead.

There is nothing "ugly" about removing people that don't belong here. These are not "ordinary law biding citizens" these are people who illegally came to this country or illegally overstayed their Visa.

I don't know of any law or part of our immigration system that says if you sneak in, stay out of trouble for a few decades, all is well with us. If there is such a law, please post it with a link. Until that time, if you are not supposed to be here, you can and will get kicked out no matter how much trouble you do or don't cause.

Your inability or refusal to empathize with the child and her father is why you see no ugliness in this event.
By all accounts, the father was an ordinary law-abiding person. A DUI conviction being used to portray him as a criminal is unreasonable when there are murderers, armed robbers, and rapists on the loose.

Judges do take into consideration a previous record before passing judgement. It would be cruel to do otherwise. This is not a law but it is common jurisprudence. Judges do not look at people in an absolutist way but take into consideration mitigating circumstances, for example if an offender has been staying on the right side of the law for decades and has been responsible with a life in the United States, married and raising a family. Treating a good father-of-four the same as a career criminal is unjust.
Mitigating Circumstances in Sentencing
The father has done no harm and has a clean record for two decades. A judge will sentence accordingly.

WTF do you believe an illegal should get the same considerations as a natural born citizen? Where do you get this from?

He IS NOT a citizen. He is not like you and I (I think). A judge should throw the book at him for jaywalking if he's cited for that.

I know people that got DUI's before. They are always people that drove drunk for months or years before finally getting caught.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are mistaken. This thread is about federal police kidnapping an American girl's father for deportation when they had him in custody decades ago not President Obama.

Right, and they Fd up then because they should have thrown him out of the country. He's lucky he lived here this long when he should have been removed years ago. He (and you) should count his blessings.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's about time!

I would have cheered had I been there

Sociopaths generally cheer over families being torn apart, indeed.

The cause of them being torn apart was that dear old dad was an illegal alien.

They all need to embrace the suck!

 

[Eloy]

So does he have a DUI conviction?

The historic DUI case is closed.

I'm sorry, but an Illegal Alien committing other crimes, isn't a good scenario for the host country. Why would that country want them to stay? I mean, they're already breaking the law being here. But then they go out and commit other crimes? Sorry, but the host country has every right to boot them. In fact, i fully expect my Government to do that.

The crimes you refer to were old misdemeanors and closed cases. They cannot even be used again according to the principle of double jeopardy.
Not having travel papers is not a crime.

Yes, it is.

Now i'm confused. That poster said he only had a DUI offense. But then he also referred to old 'cases.' That would be plural. So how many 'cases' are we talking about?

Three old misdemeanors which were dealt with by judges: a DUI, driving without proper papers and buying a car without proper documents, I believe. Not felonies and no one was hurt and for the past twenty years no trouble with the law.

 

[Dschrute3]

So was the DUI his only past offense? Because a poster claimed that, but then referred to old 'cases.' That would be plural. Meaning more crimes. Can anyone clarify?

 

[Eloy]

The historic DUI case is closed.

I'm sorry, but an Illegal Alien committing other crimes, isn't a good scenario for the host country. Why would that country want them to stay? I mean, they're already breaking the law being here. But then they go out and commit other crimes? Sorry, but the host country has every right to boot them. In fact, i fully expect my Government to do that.

The crimes you refer to were old misdemeanors and closed cases. They cannot even be used again according to the principle of double jeopardy.
Not having travel papers is not a crime.

Try selling that to the dept that took him into custody, dumbass. lol

You really are an idiot. It's obvious you have no f'ing clue about what's actually happening.

We cannot all be brainy.

We don't need you to remind us of that.

I realize you speak for everyone else on USMessageBoard. I wish I were as popular.

 

[OKTexas]

So does he have a DUI conviction?

The historic DUI case is closed.

I'm sorry, but an Illegal Alien committing other crimes, isn't a good scenario for the host country. Why would that country want them to stay? I mean, they're already breaking the law being here. But then they go out and commit other crimes? Sorry, but the host country has every right to boot them. In fact, i fully expect my Government to do that.

The crimes you refer to were old misdemeanors and closed cases. They cannot even be used again according to the principle of double jeopardy.
Not having travel papers is not a crime.

Past crimes can be used to establish a pattern of criminal behavior.

Maybe it's just me, but i would think an Illegal Alien would do everything possible to not commit any other crimes in the country he or she has entered.I mean, they're already committing a crime. Committing additional crimes would be begging for prison or Deportation.

That's what you'd think, but many have, form identity theft to tax fraud and worse. I saw a study reported on the news that said the average person caught for DUI has driven drunk or impaired an average of 80 times before they get caught. It's a habitual crime that is seldom caught and punished. We had a guy here recently that was picked up on his 19th DUI. Evidently the puny assed laws aren't a good enough deterrent.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

As far as an historical DUI conviction, that case is closed.

Just because the case is closed doesn't mean all is forgiven.

You get a DUI in this country, you may lose your drivers license for a number of months. If it's one of several, you may lose your license for years or even forever. More than likely, you will have to pay huge insurance premiums being on High Risk.

As a professional driver, I would not only lose my license for a period of time, but I would also lose my career for life.

Quit acting like this clown is being treated unfairly.

I believe in the double jeopardy protection.

Good for you. Now show us where he's being put on trial for his past DUI.

 

[AsianTrumpSupporter]

Hopefully, this outrage results in more illegal immigrants protesting, so the government can detain them easier.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's about time!

I would have cheered had I been there

Sociopaths generally cheer over families being torn apart, indeed.

No, you idiot, sociopaths cheer when people get away with committing crimes.

Such as the ICE scumbags impersonating police officers? You do know that's a crime, right?

They are federal agents, meaning they are police officers.

I wish libs could grow a brain.