Owners Of Burned California Diving Boat Say They Owe Nothing To Victims' Families

[Bush92]

Bottom line is that it will come down to lawyers and insurance companies. Weasels all.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

According to what I have read this is not an uncommon design. Many others laid out similarly

Abuse has nothing to do with the layout, just as a million cars might be identical but some will burst into flames because of abuse. So if this is not happening to many similar boats something different happened here.

Me, I would not sleep deep in the hull of an obsolete wooden boat like the one from Gilligans island. I have been on many boats this size, none were wood

Wood, really wood over fiberglass, aluminum or steel. Wood, Ricky Ricardo had a wood boat, so did Henry the 8th

Can I give you a bit of advice?

Don't ever go on a boat.

Nobody is going to make you safe so you will probably die.

I have been on boats that size, and I also own my own, 18 foot sea hunt

Safety cert is in my pocket now

Wow! 18 feet! I am impressed.

Know what we call an 18 foot boat around here? A john boat.

 

[Flash]

Sometimes tragedy happens.

The customers all booked on the boat knowing what they were getting with the confined sleeping space. They chose the cheaper ticket on that boat instead of chartering something more expensive with more room.

A liberal mindset will look for somebody else to blame. A Conservative mindset will accept personal responsibility for life's decisions.

More room had nothing to do with this tragedy.

It looks like the confined sleeping area and narrow exit points prohibited anybody from escaping once the fire started and everybody panicked. However, I don't know because I wasn't there.

 

[Frannie]

As if anyone would sign a contract absolving the boat owners from burning them alive, though there would likely be language surrounding drowning which would be billions of times more likely

...an you know this how?

My God, you are the most ignorant king of speculation I have ever seen!

Says the acting captain of the USS Enterprise that never knew that Oxygen does not burn...……………….

You never did quote where you claimed I said that. I can see you are still lying!

No, the carrier I served on was the America, not the Enterprise.

I was on the America once during fleet week in NY harbor. However unlike you I was not the acting captain of a carrier...…………..

Now does Oxygen burn?

Oxygen does not burn. It is not flammable, but it is an oxidizer. Oxygen feeds a fire, so it's dangerous to use around something that is burning because it will help the fire burn much more quickly. Patients on oxygen therapy who are smokers are not going to burst into flame or explode if they smoke.

Everyone is now waiting for your quote of me stating that. Why don't you admit that you are lying? Save some face!

No Mr. Acting Captain Sir Rubber Ducky, everyone is not waiting for anything concerning you...………………

But the acting captain will never understand because in his rubber ducky life it's all about you, right.

It's not

Stolen valor: Why do so many people pretend to be Navy SEALS?
The act of stolen valor — committed when someone poses as a service member or military veteran or falsely claims to have received awards or badges — happens more often than one might think, according to a man who spends his time exposing people he says are military fakes.

Don Shipley, a retired Navy SEAL who has become a go-to source for SEAL verification, said in a 2016 interview with reporter Matt Nanci of the Kenne Sentinel in New Hampsire that he processes between 12 and 20 queries a day from people asking if their neighbor, boyfriend, co-worker or acquaintance is indeed a member or veteran of the elite force.

This week, he focused on Crofton and a man named Bob Pollock. Pollock had told people for years he was a Navy SEAL and former POW.

When his story made The Capital, Shipley saw it from his home in Cambridge.

Here’s what he had to say to the Sentinel about why people do it:

Each impostor has his or her own reasons for posing as a SEAL, but Shipley said it mostly has to do with recognition and the reputation that comes with being a member of the elite force.

"Today we lavish our veterans; we're proud of their service and everything else they've done for us ... and there's no shortage of jerkoffs willing to stand in line and steal that from them and take bows for stuff they never did," he said.

Being part of the SEALs — a special operations force currently numbering roughly 2,700, active duty, according to a Navy spokeswoman -- can carry particular cachet thanks to rigorous requirements and grueling training. Their prestige was pushed still higher in 2009, when SEALs rescued a ship captain being held hostage off the shores of Somalia, and in 2011 through the same unit’s successful mission to kill Osama bin Laden.

Stolen valor is widespread enough that President George W. Bush signed the Stolen Valor Act of 2005 into law; it made it a crime to lie about receiving any military medals.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck it down in 2012, ruling that it infringed on the First Amendment's right to freedom of speech.

Congress drafted a new version of the law, called the Stolen Valor Act of 2013, which made it illegal to profit or benefit from false claims. President Barack Obama signed that into law that year.

A May 2013 U.S. House of Representatives report on the bill doesn't indicate the scope of stolen valor, but offers examples of the problem.

In 2006, the Justice Department and Department of Veterans’ Affairs Office of the Inspector General launched a year-long effort called Operation Stolen Valor, which resulted in numerous arrests and convictions, according to the report. In the Northwest, a dozen cases involved fraud totaling more than $1.4 million, the report says.

The most extreme case in the report describes a 10-year Marine sergeant who procured $66 million in security contracts from the military based on fraudulent claims of combat experience in Panama and Somalia, as well as various fabricated medals.

'Shipley said in his interview with The Sentinel that he can verify if someone was a Navy SEAL quickly through the Naval Special Warfare Archives, which is a database of everyone who ever completed SEAL training.

A common misconception that fake SEALs tell people is that their military status is classified, according to Shipley. But like voting records and other public documents, SEAL status is a public record, he said.

Distributed by Tribune Content Agency.

Now Captain tell us more, and include how a navy Captain is so dumb that they believe that O2 burns

My guess is that you pressed the Captains uniform once, but burned it and became a potato peeler

 

[Frannie]

According to what I have read this is not an uncommon design. Many others laid out similarly

Abuse has nothing to do with the layout, just as a million cars might be identical but some will burst into flames because of abuse. So if this is not happening to many similar boats something different happened here.

Me, I would not sleep deep in the hull of an obsolete wooden boat like the one from Gilligans island. I have been on many boats this size, none were wood

Wood, really wood over fiberglass, aluminum or steel. Wood, Ricky Ricardo had a wood boat, so did Henry the 8th

Can I give you a bit of advice?

Don't ever go on a boat.

Nobody is going to make you safe so you will probably die.

I have been on boats that size, and I also own my own, 18 foot sea hunt

Safety cert is in my pocket now

Wow! 18 feet! I am impressed.

Know what we call an 18 foot boat around here? A john boat.

My boat is EXACTLY 18 feet longer than yours.

Know what we call turds like you around here?

The help.

CIAO

 

[Frannie]

Bottom line is that it will come down to lawyers and insurance companies. Weasels all.

The bottom line if any negligence is uncovered it will come down to multiple juries

 

[Frannie]

I just enjoy the company of retards as well as exposing retards in hiding

Thanks

No thank you... Your answer was just what I predicted...

A better answer is that since I mentioned this story just in passing I have been viciously attacked by morons that are defending the violent deaths of 34 innocent Americans on a vacation outing. So I find people like you both mysterious and seriously emotionally flawed.

Again this 295 foot boat holds a maximum of 36 guest and it's 220 feet longer than the 75 foot long deathtrap in question which held 34 guest. Do the math

My dogs, they could find anything, anywhere, anytime under any condition.

That is a luxury yacht, not a dive boat. You do know the difference in a dinghy and an aircraft carrier, right?

Yup, and I also know the difference between an internet acting captain and a real Navy Captain who does not go on the internet and babble like a fool with a rubber ducky

Obviously you are a Navy Seal as well

 

[Bush92]

Bottom line is that it will come down to lawyers and insurance companies. Weasels all.

The bottom line if any negligence is uncovered it will come down to multiple juries

Insurance companies will settle out of court before it goes to any jury and families will be required not to discuss the case with media as part of settlement. Families lawyers will advise this because they don’t want to take a chance on losing $$$...families will do it because they don’t want to take a chance on losing $$$ when company declares bankruptcy after large settlement verdict by a jury...corporate(insurance companies) wants to settle out of court because if they lose a jury might give out a massive settlement. All sides will take the $$$ and walk away.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Sometimes tragedy happens.

The customers all booked on the boat knowing what they were getting with the confined sleeping space. They chose the cheaper ticket on that boat instead of chartering something more expensive with more room.

A liberal mindset will look for somebody else to blame. A Conservative mindset will accept personal responsibility for life's decisions.

Nope, I assure you that none of these passengers were told that there was a chance that they could be burned to death and also did not consider the possibility of this at all. The fact is that they might have been told that there was a smoke detector (that never went off by the way). Do you really believe that an Apple engineer took his entire family scuba diving and was focused on the boat burning? Didn't happen, what these people did focus on was being safe under water, period

You are always responsible for your own safety.

Looking at the pictures of the sleeping quarters it looked to be very crowded with limited access. They took that risk.

A smoke detector is a good safety device but sometimes they fail. All technology is liable to fail. No guarantees on anything in life like that.

Getting into a confined boat with a lot of other people is by itself is risky. They chose to do it.

We all make decisions in our lives. We can't always blame our bad decisions on somebody else.

The families will get money out of the settlement with the insurance company to the limit of the liability and maybe the owner has some other wealth they can tap. I am sure a jury will find him negligent.

However, I bet I wouldn't ever make it to the jury because I believe in personal responsibility.

Face the facts kid. No person will ever sail with these but hers again, they are done and over. The crew was negligent as no watch was awake and the smoke detector that would have awoken everyone never went off.

No body is buried and these clowns might all be headed to prison

Thanks for calling me a kid. Nobody has done that for decades. Many decades.

A slick ambulance chasing lawyer will get a nice settlement out of the insurance company and whatever assets the boat owner has that are not protected . You don't have to worry your little head over that. We have a filthy entitlement mentality in this country and the legal system exploits that to the hilt.

However, that doesn't negate the fact that every person is responsible for their own personal safety and those people took a risk by going on the boat. They took a risk they were going to be crammed into crowded sleeping quarters, that the smoke alarm may not work and the crew may not man a watch like they should. They paid for that cheaper ticket with their lives, didn't they?

Like I said, the families of the victims would not like for me to be on the jury. They would love to have you on the jury.

I call everyone a kid who has the mentality of a child like you do.

34 people are dead, you do not know that there was neither gross negligence of foul play that said defending the deaths of 34 people makes you Satan

In this country EVERYONE gets the presumption of innocence until such time as they are proven guilty.

Has nothing to do with Satan or your emotional outbursts

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

...an you know this how?

My God, you are the most ignorant king of speculation I have ever seen!

Says the acting captain of the USS Enterprise that never knew that Oxygen does not burn...……………….

You never did quote where you claimed I said that. I can see you are still lying!

No, the carrier I served on was the America, not the Enterprise.

I was on the America once during fleet week in NY harbor. However unlike you I was not the acting captain of a carrier...…………..

Now does Oxygen burn?

Oxygen does not burn. It is not flammable, but it is an oxidizer. Oxygen feeds a fire, so it's dangerous to use around something that is burning because it will help the fire burn much more quickly. Patients on oxygen therapy who are smokers are not going to burst into flame or explode if they smoke.

Everyone is now waiting for your quote of me stating that. Why don't you admit that you are lying? Save some face!

No Mr. Acting Captain Sir Rubber Ducky, everyone is not waiting for anything concerning you...………………

But the acting captain will never understand because in his rubber ducky life it's all about you, right.

It's not

Stolen valor: Why do so many people pretend to be Navy SEALS?
The act of stolen valor — committed when someone poses as a service member or military veteran or falsely claims to have received awards or badges — happens more often than one might think, according to a man who spends his time exposing people he says are military fakes.

Don Shipley, a retired Navy SEAL who has become a go-to source for SEAL verification, said in a 2016 interview with reporter Matt Nanci of the Kenne Sentinel in New Hampsire that he processes between 12 and 20 queries a day from people asking if their neighbor, boyfriend, co-worker or acquaintance is indeed a member or veteran of the elite force.

This week, he focused on Crofton and a man named Bob Pollock. Pollock had told people for years he was a Navy SEAL and former POW.

When his story made The Capital, Shipley saw it from his home in Cambridge.

Here’s what he had to say to the Sentinel about why people do it:

Each impostor has his or her own reasons for posing as a SEAL, but Shipley said it mostly has to do with recognition and the reputation that comes with being a member of the elite force.

"Today we lavish our veterans; we're proud of their service and everything else they've done for us ... and there's no shortage of jerkoffs willing to stand in line and steal that from them and take bows for stuff they never did," he said.

Being part of the SEALs — a special operations force currently numbering roughly 2,700, active duty, according to a Navy spokeswoman -- can carry particular cachet thanks to rigorous requirements and grueling training. Their prestige was pushed still higher in 2009, when SEALs rescued a ship captain being held hostage off the shores of Somalia, and in 2011 through the same unit’s successful mission to kill Osama bin Laden.

Stolen valor is widespread enough that President George W. Bush signed the Stolen Valor Act of 2005 into law; it made it a crime to lie about receiving any military medals.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck it down in 2012, ruling that it infringed on the First Amendment's right to freedom of speech.

Congress drafted a new version of the law, called the Stolen Valor Act of 2013, which made it illegal to profit or benefit from false claims. President Barack Obama signed that into law that year.

A May 2013 U.S. House of Representatives report on the bill doesn't indicate the scope of stolen valor, but offers examples of the problem.

In 2006, the Justice Department and Department of Veterans’ Affairs Office of the Inspector General launched a year-long effort called Operation Stolen Valor, which resulted in numerous arrests and convictions, according to the report. In the Northwest, a dozen cases involved fraud totaling more than $1.4 million, the report says.

The most extreme case in the report describes a 10-year Marine sergeant who procured $66 million in security contracts from the military based on fraudulent claims of combat experience in Panama and Somalia, as well as various fabricated medals.

'Shipley said in his interview with The Sentinel that he can verify if someone was a Navy SEAL quickly through the Naval Special Warfare Archives, which is a database of everyone who ever completed SEAL training.

A common misconception that fake SEALs tell people is that their military status is classified, according to Shipley. But like voting records and other public documents, SEAL status is a public record, he said.

Distributed by Tribune Content Agency.

Now Captain tell us more, and include how a navy Captain is so dumb that they believe that O2 burns

My guess is that you pressed the Captains uniform once, but burned it and became a potato peeler

So you still have nothing?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

According to what I have read this is not an uncommon design. Many others laid out similarly

Abuse has nothing to do with the layout, just as a million cars might be identical but some will burst into flames because of abuse. So if this is not happening to many similar boats something different happened here.

Me, I would not sleep deep in the hull of an obsolete wooden boat like the one from Gilligans island. I have been on many boats this size, none were wood

Wood, really wood over fiberglass, aluminum or steel. Wood, Ricky Ricardo had a wood boat, so did Henry the 8th

Can I give you a bit of advice?

Don't ever go on a boat.

Nobody is going to make you safe so you will probably die.

I have been on boats that size, and I also own my own, 18 foot sea hunt

Safety cert is in my pocket now

Wow! 18 feet! I am impressed.

Know what we call an 18 foot boat around here? A john boat.

My boat is EXACTLY 18 feet longer than yours.

Know what we call turds like you around here?

The help.

CIAO

I posted a picture of my "boat" i the other thread.

I am so sorry that you are such a petty, little pathetic moron.

 

[Frannie]

Bottom line is that it will come down to lawyers and insurance companies. Weasels all.

The bottom line if any negligence is uncovered it will come down to multiple juries

Insurance companies will settle out of court before it goes to any jury and families will be required not to discuss the case with media as part of settlement. Families lawyers will advise this because they don’t want to take a chance on losing $$$...families will do it because they don’t want to take a chance on losing $$$ when company declares bankruptcy after large settlement verdict by a jury...corporate(insurance companies) wants to settle out of court because if they lose a jury might give out a massive settlement. All sides will take the $$$ and walk away.

Not if charges are filed 34 people are dead there are both civil and legal matters here and this is being handled as a murder as of now

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Bottom line is that it will come down to lawyers and insurance companies. Weasels all.

The bottom line if any negligence is uncovered it will come down to multiple juries

Insurance companies will settle out of court before it goes to any jury and families will be required not to discuss the case with media as part of settlement. Families lawyers will advise this because they don’t want to take a chance on losing $$$...families will do it because they don’t want to take a chance on losing $$$ when company declares bankruptcy after large settlement verdict by a jury...corporate(insurance companies) wants to settle out of court because if they lose a jury might give out a massive settlement. All sides will take the $$$ and walk away.

Not if charges are filed 34 people are dead

Charges? You can't even come up with a crime! Why don't you let it play out and see how ridiculous you are?

 

[Frannie]

Says the acting captain of the USS Enterprise that never knew that Oxygen does not burn...……………….

You never did quote where you claimed I said that. I can see you are still lying!

No, the carrier I served on was the America, not the Enterprise.

I was on the America once during fleet week in NY harbor. However unlike you I was not the acting captain of a carrier...…………..

Now does Oxygen burn?

Oxygen does not burn. It is not flammable, but it is an oxidizer. Oxygen feeds a fire, so it's dangerous to use around something that is burning because it will help the fire burn much more quickly. Patients on oxygen therapy who are smokers are not going to burst into flame or explode if they smoke.

Everyone is now waiting for your quote of me stating that. Why don't you admit that you are lying? Save some face!

No Mr. Acting Captain Sir Rubber Ducky, everyone is not waiting for anything concerning you...………………

But the acting captain will never understand because in his rubber ducky life it's all about you, right.

It's not

Stolen valor: Why do so many people pretend to be Navy SEALS?
The act of stolen valor — committed when someone poses as a service member or military veteran or falsely claims to have received awards or badges — happens more often than one might think, according to a man who spends his time exposing people he says are military fakes.

Don Shipley, a retired Navy SEAL who has become a go-to source for SEAL verification, said in a 2016 interview with reporter Matt Nanci of the Kenne Sentinel in New Hampsire that he processes between 12 and 20 queries a day from people asking if their neighbor, boyfriend, co-worker or acquaintance is indeed a member or veteran of the elite force.

This week, he focused on Crofton and a man named Bob Pollock. Pollock had told people for years he was a Navy SEAL and former POW.

When his story made The Capital, Shipley saw it from his home in Cambridge.

Here’s what he had to say to the Sentinel about why people do it:

Each impostor has his or her own reasons for posing as a SEAL, but Shipley said it mostly has to do with recognition and the reputation that comes with being a member of the elite force.

"Today we lavish our veterans; we're proud of their service and everything else they've done for us ... and there's no shortage of jerkoffs willing to stand in line and steal that from them and take bows for stuff they never did," he said.

Being part of the SEALs — a special operations force currently numbering roughly 2,700, active duty, according to a Navy spokeswoman -- can carry particular cachet thanks to rigorous requirements and grueling training. Their prestige was pushed still higher in 2009, when SEALs rescued a ship captain being held hostage off the shores of Somalia, and in 2011 through the same unit’s successful mission to kill Osama bin Laden.

Stolen valor is widespread enough that President George W. Bush signed the Stolen Valor Act of 2005 into law; it made it a crime to lie about receiving any military medals.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck it down in 2012, ruling that it infringed on the First Amendment's right to freedom of speech.

Congress drafted a new version of the law, called the Stolen Valor Act of 2013, which made it illegal to profit or benefit from false claims. President Barack Obama signed that into law that year.

A May 2013 U.S. House of Representatives report on the bill doesn't indicate the scope of stolen valor, but offers examples of the problem.

In 2006, the Justice Department and Department of Veterans’ Affairs Office of the Inspector General launched a year-long effort called Operation Stolen Valor, which resulted in numerous arrests and convictions, according to the report. In the Northwest, a dozen cases involved fraud totaling more than $1.4 million, the report says.

The most extreme case in the report describes a 10-year Marine sergeant who procured $66 million in security contracts from the military based on fraudulent claims of combat experience in Panama and Somalia, as well as various fabricated medals.

'Shipley said in his interview with The Sentinel that he can verify if someone was a Navy SEAL quickly through the Naval Special Warfare Archives, which is a database of everyone who ever completed SEAL training.

A common misconception that fake SEALs tell people is that their military status is classified, according to Shipley. But like voting records and other public documents, SEAL status is a public record, he said.

Distributed by Tribune Content Agency.

Now Captain tell us more, and include how a navy Captain is so dumb that they believe that O2 burns

My guess is that you pressed the Captains uniform once, but burned it and became a potato peeler

So you still have nothing?

Hell at least you learned that O2 does not burn, I ought to get an instructor's badgy 4 that

 

[Frannie]

Abuse has nothing to do with the layout, just as a million cars might be identical but some will burst into flames because of abuse. So if this is not happening to many similar boats something different happened here.

Me, I would not sleep deep in the hull of an obsolete wooden boat like the one from Gilligans island. I have been on many boats this size, none were wood

Wood, really wood over fiberglass, aluminum or steel. Wood, Ricky Ricardo had a wood boat, so did Henry the 8th

Can I give you a bit of advice?

Don't ever go on a boat.

Nobody is going to make you safe so you will probably die.

I have been on boats that size, and I also own my own, 18 foot sea hunt

Safety cert is in my pocket now

Wow! 18 feet! I am impressed.

Know what we call an 18 foot boat around here? A john boat.

My boat is EXACTLY 18 feet longer than yours.

Know what we call turds like you around here?

The help.

CIAO

I posted a picture of my "boat" i the other thread.

I am so sorry that you are such a petty, little pathetic moron.

Post a picture from the America with you as captain


Wh!aaaaaaaaaasassssss

 

[Frannie]

Bottom line is that it will come down to lawyers and insurance companies. Weasels all.

The bottom line if any negligence is uncovered it will come down to multiple juries

Insurance companies will settle out of court before it goes to any jury and families will be required not to discuss the case with media as part of settlement. Families lawyers will advise this because they don’t want to take a chance on losing $$$...families will do it because they don’t want to take a chance on losing $$$ when company declares bankruptcy after large settlement verdict by a jury...corporate(insurance companies) wants to settle out of court because if they lose a jury might give out a massive settlement. All sides will take the $$$ and walk away.

Not if charges are filed 34 people are dead

Charges? You can't even come up with a crime! Why don't you let it play out and see how ridiculous you are?

Why would I have to find a crime?

Dude your inner schizzo is leaking

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Can I give you a bit of advice?

Don't ever go on a boat.

Nobody is going to make you safe so you will probably die.

I have been on boats that size, and I also own my own, 18 foot sea hunt

Safety cert is in my pocket now

Wow! 18 feet! I am impressed.

Know what we call an 18 foot boat around here? A john boat.

My boat is EXACTLY 18 feet longer than yours.

Know what we call turds like you around here?

The help.

CIAO

I posted a picture of my "boat" i the other thread.

I am so sorry that you are such a petty, little pathetic moron.

Post a picture from the America with you as captain


Wh!aaaaaaaaaasassssss

Your reading comprehension really sucks. I never said I was the Captain.dumbass!

I hope everyone here on this thread appreciates the fact that I am showing what a witless twit you are!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Bottom line is that it will come down to lawyers and insurance companies. Weasels all.

The bottom line if any negligence is uncovered it will come down to multiple juries

Insurance companies will settle out of court before it goes to any jury and families will be required not to discuss the case with media as part of settlement. Families lawyers will advise this because they don’t want to take a chance on losing $$$...families will do it because they don’t want to take a chance on losing $$$ when company declares bankruptcy after large settlement verdict by a jury...corporate(insurance companies) wants to settle out of court because if they lose a jury might give out a massive settlement. All sides will take the $$$ and walk away.

Not if charges are filed 34 people are dead

Charges? You can't even come up with a crime! Why don't you let it play out and see how ridiculous you are?

Why would I have to find a crime?

Dude your inner schizzo is leaking

You have to have a fucking crime to file charges!

Are you even to middle school yet in your educational process?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You never did quote where you claimed I said that. I can see you are still lying!

No, the carrier I served on was the America, not the Enterprise.

I was on the America once during fleet week in NY harbor. However unlike you I was not the acting captain of a carrier...…………..

Now does Oxygen burn?

Oxygen does not burn. It is not flammable, but it is an oxidizer. Oxygen feeds a fire, so it's dangerous to use around something that is burning because it will help the fire burn much more quickly. Patients on oxygen therapy who are smokers are not going to burst into flame or explode if they smoke.

Everyone is now waiting for your quote of me stating that. Why don't you admit that you are lying? Save some face!

No Mr. Acting Captain Sir Rubber Ducky, everyone is not waiting for anything concerning you...………………

But the acting captain will never understand because in his rubber ducky life it's all about you, right.

It's not

Stolen valor: Why do so many people pretend to be Navy SEALS?
The act of stolen valor — committed when someone poses as a service member or military veteran or falsely claims to have received awards or badges — happens more often than one might think, according to a man who spends his time exposing people he says are military fakes.

Don Shipley, a retired Navy SEAL who has become a go-to source for SEAL verification, said in a 2016 interview with reporter Matt Nanci of the Kenne Sentinel in New Hampsire that he processes between 12 and 20 queries a day from people asking if their neighbor, boyfriend, co-worker or acquaintance is indeed a member or veteran of the elite force.

This week, he focused on Crofton and a man named Bob Pollock. Pollock had told people for years he was a Navy SEAL and former POW.

When his story made The Capital, Shipley saw it from his home in Cambridge.

Here’s what he had to say to the Sentinel about why people do it:

Each impostor has his or her own reasons for posing as a SEAL, but Shipley said it mostly has to do with recognition and the reputation that comes with being a member of the elite force.

"Today we lavish our veterans; we're proud of their service and everything else they've done for us ... and there's no shortage of jerkoffs willing to stand in line and steal that from them and take bows for stuff they never did," he said.

Being part of the SEALs — a special operations force currently numbering roughly 2,700, active duty, according to a Navy spokeswoman -- can carry particular cachet thanks to rigorous requirements and grueling training. Their prestige was pushed still higher in 2009, when SEALs rescued a ship captain being held hostage off the shores of Somalia, and in 2011 through the same unit’s successful mission to kill Osama bin Laden.

Stolen valor is widespread enough that President George W. Bush signed the Stolen Valor Act of 2005 into law; it made it a crime to lie about receiving any military medals.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck it down in 2012, ruling that it infringed on the First Amendment's right to freedom of speech.

Congress drafted a new version of the law, called the Stolen Valor Act of 2013, which made it illegal to profit or benefit from false claims. President Barack Obama signed that into law that year.

A May 2013 U.S. House of Representatives report on the bill doesn't indicate the scope of stolen valor, but offers examples of the problem.

In 2006, the Justice Department and Department of Veterans’ Affairs Office of the Inspector General launched a year-long effort called Operation Stolen Valor, which resulted in numerous arrests and convictions, according to the report. In the Northwest, a dozen cases involved fraud totaling more than $1.4 million, the report says.

The most extreme case in the report describes a 10-year Marine sergeant who procured $66 million in security contracts from the military based on fraudulent claims of combat experience in Panama and Somalia, as well as various fabricated medals.

'Shipley said in his interview with The Sentinel that he can verify if someone was a Navy SEAL quickly through the Naval Special Warfare Archives, which is a database of everyone who ever completed SEAL training.

A common misconception that fake SEALs tell people is that their military status is classified, according to Shipley. But like voting records and other public documents, SEAL status is a public record, he said.

Distributed by Tribune Content Agency.

Now Captain tell us more, and include how a navy Captain is so dumb that they believe that O2 burns

My guess is that you pressed the Captains uniform once, but burned it and became a potato peeler

So you still have nothing?

Hell at least you learned that O2 does not burn, I ought to get an instructor's badgy 4 that

We are still waiting on that quote. I guess it is like your IQ - nonexistent.

You do realize your last thread got shunted to the Rubber Room because you preferred to make personal attacks instead of arguing the points of your argument. I can see this thread heading that way very soon if you don't start sticking to the topic.

 

[Frannie]

I have been on boats that size, and I also own my own, 18 foot sea hunt

Safety cert is in my pocket now

Wow! 18 feet! I am impressed.

Know what we call an 18 foot boat around here? A john boat.

My boat is EXACTLY 18 feet longer than yours.

Know what we call turds like you around here?

The help.

CIAO

I posted a picture of my "boat" i the other thread.

I am so sorry that you are such a petty, little pathetic moron.

Post a picture from the America with you as captain


Wh!aaaaaaaaaasassssss

Your reading comprehension really sucks. I never said I was the Captain.dumbass!

I hope everyone here on this thread appreciates the fact that I am showing what a witless twit you are!

My reading comp and memory are perfect, you said you were the acting captain of a destroyer

Play on rubber ducky man