Palestine Today

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[rylah]

"There are no Palestinians."

Some People did not get Israel's BS memo.

This women-men dance is a strange thing. Inappropriate to say the least, and unlikely to be an example of Muslim traditions.

 

[rylah]

This is most probably a ripoff of a traditional Kurdish dance, done with less enthusiasm...and presented as "Palestinian National dance".

While the real Kurds do it much more groovy...well much more everything..., here's the real thing:

 

[P F Tinmore]

This is most probably a ripoff of a traditional Kurdish dance, done with less enthusiasm...and presented as "Palestinian National dance".

While the real Kurds do it much more groovy...well much more everything..., here's the real thing:

OMG, they are not Palestinian. They are Irish.

 

[Hollie]

This is most probably a ripoff of a traditional Kurdish dance, done with less enthusiasm...and presented as "Palestinian National dance".

While the real Kurds do it much more groovy...well much more everything..., here's the real thing:

OMG, they are not Palestinian. They are Irish.

So, you found some fake video showing Arabs-Moslems dancing.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Are you trying to prove Palestinians have an ancient and /or unique culture? LOL

 

[rylah]

This is most probably a ripoff of a traditional Kurdish dance, done with less enthusiasm...and presented as "Palestinian National dance".

While the real Kurds do it much more groovy...well much more everything..., here's the real thing:

OMG, they are not Palestinian. They are Irish.

Look if all You've got is going to another continent to show that people tap their feet elsewhere on a totally different scale and rhythm pattern, then You already show how ridiculous is this rip off.

Yes, what You show as "Palestinian dance" is appropriation of Kurdish music and dance as well. It's no secret that many of the "Palestinians" in Hebron are Kurds, who'd go to their homeland once it's established.

Kurds of Palestine hoping to connect with home


Right of return? Anyone?

The Abbas tribe has a right of return, Tamimi tribe as well, a Kurd, and a Jew - each to his historic homeland.

 

[RoccoR]

Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I watch the video.

Why the IDF goontards do not like Nabi Saleh.

First violence by the IDF (Israeli Doofus Force)

(COMMENT)

I saw the Arab Palestinians attempt at an intentional confrontation. I did not see any IDF.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I watch the video.

Why the IDF goontards do not like Nabi Saleh.

First violence by the IDF (Israeli Doofus Force)

(COMMENT)

I saw the Arab Palestinians attempt at an intentional confrontation. I did not see any IDF.

Most Respectfully,
R

I see left wing extremists as well, not only villagers...some "tourists" too.
There's collaboration in many cases between certain European and Israeli NGO's on the ground.
As far as I understand tours aimed at western public are advertised with this as an attraction.

I see this being done in many countries from Russia through Europe and US.
A specific fingerprint of a brand of "demonstrations" that always turns into direct public confrontations.

Each country has it's franchise of antifa like cells who pose as human rights activists but mainly work on the ground to provoke direct confrontations.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, you get this wrong every single time.

What is NATIONALITY?Featuring Black's Law Dictionary Free Online Legal Dictionary 2nd Ed.
That quality or character which arises from the fact of a person’s belonging to a nation or state. Nationality determines the political status of the individual, especially with reference to allegiance; while domicile determines his civil status. Nationality arises either by birth or by naturalization. According to Savigny, “nationality” is also used as opposed to “territoriality,” for the purpose of distinguishing the case of a nation having no national territory; e. g., the Jews. 8 Sav. Syst.
​

Palestinian children are Palestinians. Their nationality ties them to that territory.

(COMMENT)

You get your nationality from your nation or state of citizenship.

The Palestine of today is not the Palestine (the entity) of pre-May 15th 1948, or that immediately after 15 May 1948 (the entity).

You have this notion, and you WILL NOT, for the life of me, read the official references that explain what "Palestine" means.

While I don't expect to enlighten you, you should not attempt to corrupt other people with these fanciful notions.

Fighting in their own territory is an insurgency?

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel is an officially recognized state, with the international borders as defined by the Treaties between Jordan, Egypt and the State of Israel. Any attempt, by the Arab Palestinians of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, to breach the borders as established by Israel are clear violations of international law.

• Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) •
Article 8 (2b) War crimes
(iv) Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated; (Related to the older A/RES/2/110)

• Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 3314 (XXIX). Definition of Aggression •
Article 1
Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.

• Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 110 (II). Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war •
1.

Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression;
​

Most Respectfully,
R

This might clear thing up for you. Start @ 28:00

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, you get this wrong every single time.

What is NATIONALITY?Featuring Black's Law Dictionary Free Online Legal Dictionary 2nd Ed.
That quality or character which arises from the fact of a person’s belonging to a nation or state. Nationality determines the political status of the individual, especially with reference to allegiance; while domicile determines his civil status. Nationality arises either by birth or by naturalization. According to Savigny, “nationality” is also used as opposed to “territoriality,” for the purpose of distinguishing the case of a nation having no national territory; e. g., the Jews. 8 Sav. Syst.
​

Palestinian children are Palestinians. Their nationality ties them to that territory.

(COMMENT)

You get your nationality from your nation or state of citizenship.

The Palestine of today is not the Palestine (the entity) of pre-May 15th 1948, or that immediately after 15 May 1948 (the entity).

You have this notion, and you WILL NOT, for the life of me, read the official references that explain what "Palestine" means.

While I don't expect to enlighten you, you should not attempt to corrupt other people with these fanciful notions.

Fighting in their own territory is an insurgency?

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel is an officially recognized state, with the international borders as defined by the Treaties between Jordan, Egypt and the State of Israel. Any attempt, by the Arab Palestinians of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, to breach the borders as established by Israel are clear violations of international law.

• Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) •
Article 8 (2b) War crimes
(iv) Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated; (Related to the older A/RES/2/110)

• Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 3314 (XXIX). Definition of Aggression •
Article 1
Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.

• Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 110 (II). Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war •
1.

Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression;
​

Most Respectfully,
R

This might clear thing up for you. Start @ 28:00

You have cut and pasted that YouTube video many times and it has previously been refuted.

Do you forget that you tend to spam threads with multiple instances of the same cut and paste YouTube videos?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, you get this wrong every single time.

What is NATIONALITY?Featuring Black's Law Dictionary Free Online Legal Dictionary 2nd Ed.
That quality or character which arises from the fact of a person’s belonging to a nation or state. Nationality determines the political status of the individual, especially with reference to allegiance; while domicile determines his civil status. Nationality arises either by birth or by naturalization. According to Savigny, “nationality” is also used as opposed to “territoriality,” for the purpose of distinguishing the case of a nation having no national territory; e. g., the Jews. 8 Sav. Syst.
​

Palestinian children are Palestinians. Their nationality ties them to that territory.

(COMMENT)

You get your nationality from your nation or state of citizenship.

The Palestine of today is not the Palestine (the entity) of pre-May 15th 1948, or that immediately after 15 May 1948 (the entity).

You have this notion, and you WILL NOT, for the life of me, read the official references that explain what "Palestine" means.

While I don't expect to enlighten you, you should not attempt to corrupt other people with these fanciful notions.

Fighting in their own territory is an insurgency?

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel is an officially recognized state, with the international borders as defined by the Treaties between Jordan, Egypt and the State of Israel. Any attempt, by the Arab Palestinians of the Gaza Strip or the West Bank, to breach the borders as established by Israel are clear violations of international law.

• Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) •
Article 8 (2b) War crimes
(iv) Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated; (Related to the older A/RES/2/110)

• Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 3314 (XXIX). Definition of Aggression •
Article 1
Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.

• Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 110 (II). Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war •
1.

Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression;
​

Most Respectfully,
R

This might clear thing up for you. Start @ 28:00

You have cut and pasted that YouTube video many times and it has previously been refuted.

Do you forget that you tend to spam threads with multiple instances of the same cut and paste YouTube videos?

You have cut and pasted that YouTube video many times and it has previously been refuted.

No it hasn't.

 

[Hollie]

No it hasn't.

Of course it has.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No it hasn't.

Of course it has.

I have seen a lot of smoke blown at it, but specific issues were not addressed.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've heard Professor Susan Akram before. And interpretations such as this is why she teaches law instead of practices law. As is usual, Article 30 (of the Lausanne Treaty) (once again) is about "nationality" and not "citizenship." In fact, the Lausanne Treaty does not mention "citizenship; which even Professor Akram agrees is a matter of "Domestic" Law (30:48). As the Professor says - the international court sees "nationality as the link between an individual and international law" (30:09) (not a territory).

Don't let the language fool up.

This might clear thing up for you. Start @ 28:00

(COMMENT)

But today (which is relevant today - and not - 75 to 100 years ago), the meaning of "Palestine" is legally defined by the Office of the Under-Secretary-General for Legal Affairs. This is the law and meaning of today and not that of the time of the Balfour Declaration. The ethno-national character of a people is irrelevant. It has only been since December 2012 that Palestine became the "State of Palestine."

Trying to mix what you like from the early 20th Century does not always match with 21th Century events and understandings.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've heard Professor Susan Akram before. And interpretations such as this is why she teaches law instead of practices law. As is usual, Article 30 (of the Lausanne Treaty) (once again) is about "nationality" and not "citizenship." In fact, the Lausanne Treaty does not mention "citizenship; which even Professor Akram agrees is a matter of "Domestic" Law (30:48). As the Professor says - the international court sees "nationality as the link between an individual and international law" (30:09) (not a territory).

Don't let the language fool up.

This might clear thing up for you. Start @ 28:00

(COMMENT)

But today (which is relevant today - and not - 75 to 100 years ago), the meaning of "Palestine" is legally defined by the Office of the Under-Secretary-General for Legal Affairs. This is the law and meaning of today and not that of the time of the Balfour Declaration. The ethno-national character of a people is irrelevant. It has only been since December 2012 that Palestine became the "State of Palestine."

Trying to mix what you like from the early 20th Century does not always match with 21th Century events and understandings.

Most Respectfully,
R

She does practice law in refugee and immigration cases.

You need to listen again. You are not reflecting what she said.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all but inevitable that Arab Palestinians who rest their arguments on these obscure arguments hear what they want to hear; and what they need to hear. The fact of the matter is that the international law, written by the Allied Powers, never favored these Arab Palestinian arguments. YOU would be foolish to rest YOUR pro-Palestinian arguments on the interpretation that the declarations, conventions, Orders in Council, Mandates and treaties (etc) (ALL written by the Allied Powers) were written to contradict and the decision of the Allied Powers or make the decisions illegal. While the consequences of the decisions made by the Allied Powers probably did not flower into the grand design they had in mind, what they did at the time they were doing it was entierly within their authority and power. It simply does not make any sense that they would intentionally create the conditions legal restrictions that would not favor them. If that were the case, they would not have written any of these documents at all.

She does practice law in refugee and immigration cases.

You need to listen again. You are not reflecting what she said.

(COMMENT)

You may need to check Prof Akram Bio history. You will find that she spent a vast majority of her time as a guest speaker and lecturer. Her litigation experience of any consequence was a "high profile cases, including the 20+-year litigation of a case of first impression on the interpretation of one of the exclusion bars to asylum."

Having said that, I will recognize that she has a distinguished lecture circuit and speaking engagement series. But like every single absolute pro-Palestinian lecturer --- she paints the Arab Palestinian cause as whiter-than-white; which nothing ever is.

Like I have said many times before, the Regional and World leaders are not going to destroy and replace the single most economically successful, the country with the highest human development rating AND the most scientific and engineering savvy in the in the entire Middle East Region, North Africa, and the Eastern Mediterranean → WITH the Arab Palestinians people and leadership that could not organize a successful Girls Scout sleepover Jamarree without it turning into a riot for publicity points as media event.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've heard Professor Susan Akram before. And interpretations such as this is why she teaches law instead of practices law. As is usual, Article 30 (of the Lausanne Treaty) (once again) is about "nationality" and not "citizenship." In fact, the Lausanne Treaty does not mention "citizenship; which even Professor Akram agrees is a matter of "Domestic" Law (30:48). As the Professor says - the international court sees "nationality as the link between an individual and international law" (30:09) (not a territory).

Don't let the language fool up.

This might clear thing up for you. Start @ 28:00

(COMMENT)

But today (which is relevant today - and not - 75 to 100 years ago), the meaning of "Palestine" is legally defined by the Office of the Under-Secretary-General for Legal Affairs. This is the law and meaning of today and not that of the time of the Balfour Declaration. The ethno-national character of a people is irrelevant. It has only been since December 2012 that Palestine became the "State of Palestine."

Trying to mix what you like from the early 20th Century does not always match with 21th Century events and understandings.

Most Respectfully,
R

You may need to check Prof Akram Bio history.

Susan M. Akram
Clinical Professor of Law
BA with honors, University of Michigan Ann Arbor
JD, Georgetown University
Diplome in International Human Rights,
Institut International des Droits de l’Homme, Strasbourg (France)
Masters of Studies, International Human Rights Law, University of Oxford​

And I should believe you instead.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've heard Professor Susan Akram before. And interpretations such as this is why she teaches law instead of practices law. As is usual, Article 30 (of the Lausanne Treaty) (once again) is about "nationality" and not "citizenship." In fact, the Lausanne Treaty does not mention "citizenship; which even Professor Akram agrees is a matter of "Domestic" Law (30:48). As the Professor says - the international court sees "nationality as the link between an individual and international law" (30:09) (not a territory).

Don't let the language fool up.

This might clear thing up for you. Start @ 28:00

(COMMENT)

But today (which is relevant today - and not - 75 to 100 years ago), the meaning of "Palestine" is legally defined by the Office of the Under-Secretary-General for Legal Affairs. This is the law and meaning of today and not that of the time of the Balfour Declaration. The ethno-national character of a people is irrelevant. It has only been since December 2012 that Palestine became the "State of Palestine."

Trying to mix what you like from the early 20th Century does not always match with 21th Century events and understandings.

Most Respectfully,
R

You may need to check Prof Akram Bio history.

Susan M. Akram
Clinical Professor of Law
BA with honors, University of Michigan Ann Arbor
JD, Georgetown University
Diplome in International Human Rights,
Institut International des Droits de l’Homme, Strasbourg (France)
Masters of Studies, International Human Rights Law, University of Oxford​

And I should believe you instead.

A classic fallacy of appeal to authority.

Your cut and paste YouTube videos with selected snippets from Susan Akram are not made any more meaningful with a cut and paste resume you probably cut and pasted from YouTube.