Palestine Today

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sidestepping the issue at all.

All foreigners. You are sidestepping my post.

(COMMENT)

If you believe that the Arab Palestinian people should not be represented by the PLO/PA, then you should start a campaign to topple the current government.

If you believe that the foreign member nations of the UN should not look out for the Arab Palestinians, then you should start a campaign to have the Arab Palestinians to withdraw from the world body.

But this xenophobic charge that they were "all foreigners" is just pure nonsense. And if you believe that → then you should campaign to adopt an isolationist regime.

BUT → As it stands now, the Arab Palestinian people have not been able to establish and self-governing institution for any type of campaign for a popular political party to assume control and power. AND → The Arab Palestinians have not been able to establish any type of real sovereignty in the past quarter-century; being preoccupied with the armed struggle by jihadist activities.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Actually, I find it kind of refreshing that a PLO Member (or any Arab Palestinian) would put any trust and faith in the political value of their word being a binding obligation.

(COMMENT)

All too often do we see the Arab Palestinian refusing to accept the consequences of their actions and attempting to abrogate their responsibilities to which they are obligate; such as the Oslo Accords. They are very quick to complain about the implementation of Political Conventions and Agreements between the Allied Powers (for which they are not even a part too) not being followed to the interpretation and satisfaction of the Arab Palestinian → YET have the audacity to try and use the causes agreed to between the Allied Powers to their own advantage.

So when an Arab Palestinian (whether I agree with them or not) recognizes the importance of an agreement which was internationally considered as a step towards peace (even to the point of being awards Nobel Prize Recognition), it becomes important to us all to hear and take their observations seriously. We may not agree with them, but they are fundamentally different from the Arab Palestinian that considered "armed struggle" as the only means of settling disputes.

Just My Thought.

Most Respectfully,
R

So when an Arab Palestinian (whether I agree with them or not) recognizes the importance of an agreement which was internationally considered as a step towards peace

Oslo was a shit agreement that was negotiated behind the backs of the Palestinians and signed without their approval. Many voiced their disapproval right away while others joined later as the propaganda wore off and reality took over. The promise of Oslo was to bring peace but it only brought more death, more destruction, and more colonization.

Compliance with Oslo required the PA to violate the rights of the people which should render it void.

Indeed, it’s a better arrangement for the PA, PLO, or whatever label the Islamic terrorist franchises prefers to use to, you know, “violate the rights of the people”.

Not surprisingly, you can’t identify what “rights” would have been violated.

Indeed!

Of course I can.

The "PA" spies on people without court issued warrants.

They arrest people who have committed no crime without court issued warrants.

They detain people without charge or trial.

All mandated by Oslo.

How do You know they have committed no crime?

If there were crimes there would be warrants, charges, and trials.

How does the "PA" spy on people?

 

[Shusha]

Oslo was a shit agreement that was negotiated behind the backs of the Palestinians and signed without their approval. Many voiced their disapproval right away while others joined later as the propaganda wore off and reality took over. The promise of Oslo was to bring peace but it only brought more death, more destruction, and more colonization.

Compliance with Oslo required the PA to violate the rights of the people which should render it void.

Oslo was the beginning of the process of creating a two-state solution and bringing a peaceful settlement to the conflict. What you are, in effect, saying here is that ANY two-state solution is a "shit agreement", will bring more death, destruction and colonization and will violate the rights of the people (read: Arabs).

In other words: Arabs will not permit a two-state solution, will oppose any peace treaty and will continue to use violence and terrorism as a means to that end.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If you believe that the Arab Palestinian people should not be represented by the PLO/PA, then you should start a campaign to topple the current government.

About 85% of Palestinians want Abbas to leave. However Abbas signs about half of the paychecks in Palestine. He gets all the money, guns, and political support. That is a tough combination to beat.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is absolutely no mention of the following in either Accord:

• Surveillance
• Arrest
• Detain/Detention*
• Courts**
• Warrants

Oslo did not say that specifically, however it did establish a "PA" security force that cooperates with Israel. These forces are subordinate to Israel and use Israel's tactics.

 

[Hollie]

There is absolutely no mention of the following in either Accord:

• Surveillance
• Arrest
• Detain/Detention*
• Courts**
• Warrants

Oslo did not say that specifically, however it did establish a "PA" security force that cooperates with Israel. These forces are subordinate to Israel and use Israel's tactics.

You should try out for the Hamas swim team with that Olympics quality backstroke.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

Death Cult Death Cult

 

[P F Tinmore]

MKV - Najat El-Khairy - Journey of a Palestinian Artist at the United Nations

 

[Hollie]

Journey of Arab-Moslem whining at the UN

 

[member]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sidestepping the issue at all.

All foreigners. You are sidestepping my post.

(COMMENT)

If you believe that the Arab Palestinian people should not be represented by the PLO/PA, then you should start a campaign to topple the current government.

If you believe that the foreign member nations of the UN should not look out for the Arab Palestinians, then you should start a campaign to have the Arab Palestinians to withdraw from the world body.

But this xenophobic charge that they were "all foreigners" is just pure nonsense. And if you believe that → then you should campaign to adopt an isolationist regime.

BUT → As it stands now, the Arab Palestinian people have not been able to establish and self-governing institution for any type of campaign for a popular political party to assume control and power. AND → The Arab Palestinians have not been able to establish any type of real sovereignty in the past quarter-century; being preoccupied with the armed struggle by jihadist activities.

Most Respectfully,
R

"The Arab Palestinians have not been able to establish any type of real sovereignty in the past quarter-century; being preoccupied with the armed struggle by jihadist activities...."




even I agrrrrrrrrreeeeeee

 

[P F Tinmore]

Thank God It’s Friday

 

[Hollie]

Thank Allah it’s Friday. Another reason for Arabs-Moslems to act like savages in honor of their man-god.

 

[USAF 2023]

Thank God It’s Friday

Agree! It’s the Sabbath!!

 

[USAF 2023]

Thank Allah it’s Friday. Another reason for Arabs-Moslems to act like savages in honor of their man-god.

That’s what they do best.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ Hollie, et al,

The resolution (providing international protection for Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip and West Bank) would have, in effect, nullified Article 2 (7) and Article 51 of the UN Charter:

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defense shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.​

Journey of Arab-Moslem whining at the UN
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(COMMENT)

I could (for the benefit of our many prop-Arab Palestinians viewers) cite the various Customary and International Humanitarian Laws (IHL) that the Arab Palestinians violated; in addition to a number of the universal legal instruments dealing with terrorism.

I could also (for the benefit of our many prop-Arab Palestinians viewers) cite and disgrace the honor and integrity of those of those backers of the proposed Kuwait Resolution on the number of times that the Arab League and the Arab Palestinians have disregarded the Declaration on Principles of International Law (concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States) concerning the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

Nor should we fail to mention how many times the Arab League and the Arab Palestinians have disregarded the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.

We should remember that the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), the Izz al-Din al-Qassam (terrorist wing of Hamas), and the PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad), PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) – and the PFLP-GC (General Command), based on investigations carried out by the competent judicial and police authorities in EU countries, the United States, and Canada → are defined as "terrorist groups" → structured groups of persons, acting in concert to commit terrorist acts. This resolution would have been, in essence, a protection order for know terrorist groups and protection for those Arab Palestinians (forfeiting their Protected Persons status) who commit offenses which are solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (Israelis) in the West Bank.

Such orders would be the equivalent of saying the no Arab League country could protect its borders or act against a terrorist group.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

I could (for the benefit of our many prop-Arab Palestinians viewers) cite the various Customary and International Humanitarian Laws (IHL) that the Arab Palestinians violated;

Why don't you pull one of those out for discussion?

 

[Shusha]

I could (for the benefit of our many prop-Arab Palestinians viewers) cite the various Customary and International Humanitarian Laws (IHL) that the Arab Palestinians violated;

Why don't you pull one of those out for discussion?

Oh please. Pick one and the Arab Palestinians have violated.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I could (for the benefit of our many prop-Arab Palestinians viewers) cite the various Customary and International Humanitarian Laws (IHL) that the Arab Palestinians violated;

Why don't you pull one of those out for discussion?

Oh please. Pick one and the Arab Palestinians have violated.

No, I don't want to be accused of setting up a straw man.