Palestinians and Jews are genetically the same people

[Saigon]

Hossfly -

I'm not sure what immigration has to do with it. Indonesia certainly has hundreds of different ethnicities, but that is more to do with the diversity of the islands (Irian Jaya, Flores, Bali) than it does immigration.

Countries evolve in different ways, and at different speeds. There are dozens of clear reasons for societies to be held back - war, famine, oppression, colonialism, poverty - and we see the impact of those factors right around the world. Indonesia hus suffered all of those factors, whereas the US has suffered very few of those in the past 200 years.

What you have to keep in mind is that Indonesia has only been a democracy since around 1990. Development has been much faster since then.

A lot of the countries I go to are a century behind Europe in social development, but as we see in countries like Ghana, Rwanda and Malaysia, poor countries do develop quite naturally given the time and space to do so. As they develop, so civil rights should improve. It is a case of establishing good government and justice, then improving living standards & education, then we tend to see development right across the board, and better civil rights and tolerance.

Does it really surprise you that Burundi has a worse record on civil rights than Germany does?

 

[irosie91]

Indonesia set the stage for exploitation and oppression
and even genocide of its minority populations
with the vile and disgusting PANCASILA which is
no more or less a statement of islamic supremacy as
in the manner that the nuremberg laws
was a statement of Aryan supremacy. Muslims
call DHIMMIA "the most tolerant of all systems
in the world" saigon is a pseudo intellectual
apologist for this filth. I am so delighted that Judaism
is denied DHIMMIA status in Indonesia ---it is an honor
very much akin to being despised by isa-worshipper
ADOLF ABU ALI

 

[Saigon]

Rosie -

the vile and disgusting PANCASILA which is
no more or less a statement of islamic supremacy

Actually, no, the Pancasila confirms that FIVE religions are recognised by the state in Indonesia.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Hossfly -

Why do you demand standards of Indonesia you would never demand of the US?

You do realise that a country of 283 milliion people and a thousand islands is likely to have a little dirty laundry, right?

Would you like to tell us how well Native American Indians are treated in the US?

Do they have National Language status? Is their religion respected at the level of courts & parliaments?

Native Americans have been reduced from 500 tribes living across America, to only about two million individuals at the most, made to live in reservations. (Admittedly, they have the right to move out.) Alcoholism is a big problem for them. In recent times, casinos have been established at some of these reservations, as well as settlement payments from the government, to assuage American guilt. I would suggest that Mr. Tinmore in particular, because of his hypocricy, move back to Europe to where his ancestors came from. Only then will he have the right to criticize Israel.

So Mr. Tinmore, when are you moving to Europe?

 

[irosie91]

Rosie -

the vile and disgusting PANCASILA which is
no more or less a statement of islamic supremacy

Actually, no, the Pancasila confirms that FIVE religions are recognised by the state in Indonesia.

that is correct ----actually I think it is six religions ALLOWED according to
the ISLAMIC AUTHORITIES I know the system well----it is a set
up for oppression and exploitation and genocide. Try to remember--my own
husband was born in a shariah cesspit as a DHIMMI--- one
"PERMITTED BY ISLAMIC OVERLORDS" a subjugated life.

For those who do not know----in the filth that saigon advocates---EVERY PERSON
is required to be a member of a PERMITTED religious community and be so
designated for social and legal purposes. Generally one can change---
FROM the lesser groups to ISLAM but not from islam to one of the lesser
groups----the logic being ----there can be no reason to CHOOSE to
be scum as are all of the members of the religious groups OTHER
then islam. This disgusting system assures that muslims remain
in the STRONG MAJORITY and have full control over the remaining
subjugated groups -----an idea that makes saigon salivate. In fact--
the ultimate and inevitable goal of such a system ---is genocide of the
non favored religions-------as islam grows because you can GET IN
BUT YOU CANNOT GET OUT -----something like a roach motel

In those lands in which saigon's favored filth was instituted ---most
religions other than islam simply disappeared An interesting factoid
is----there were times when conversion in some of those places
became discouraged -----because the overlords were losing their
EXPLOITED classes. Sometimes they simply INVENTED a new
kind of exploited class based on race-----as in sudan----where the new
exploited class is the darker skinned even if they are muslims.

There are all kinds of historic fix ups needed in societies that depend
on the dirt that saigon advocates -----some are too weird to discuss---
I will hint------the country from which my hubby fled----kept several
thousand of his community hostage for decades-----they NEEDED them
for various tasks the UBERMENSCHEN could not do

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Hossfly -

Why do you demand standards of Indonesia you would never demand of the US?

You do realise that a country of 283 milliion people and a thousand islands is likely to have a little dirty laundry, right?

Would you like to tell us how well Native American Indians are treated in the US?

Do they have National Language status? Is their religion respected at the level of courts & parliaments?

Native Americans have been reduced from 500 tribes living across America, to only about two million individuals at the most, made to live in reservations. (Admittedly, they have the right to move out.) Alcoholism is a big problem for them. In recent times, casinos have been established at some of these reservations, as well as settlement payments from the government, to assuage American guilt. I would suggest that Mr. Tinmore in particular, because of his hypocricy, move back to Europe to where his ancestors came from. Only then will he have the right to criticize Israel.

So Mr. Tinmore, when are you moving to Europe?

I'll be happy to find out which tribe was living in your specific area, whether it be Iriquois, Navajo or Apache, and get them to knock on your door. I believe you said your ancestry is Scandinavian--am I right about that?

 

[Saigon]

Rosie -

actually I think it is six religions ALLOWED according to
the ISLAMIC AUTHORITIES I know the system well----it is a set
up for oppression and exploitation and genocide. Try to remember--my own
husband was born in a shariah cesspit as a DHIMMI--- one
"PERMITTED BY ISLAMIC OVERLORDS" a subjugated life.

If you did know the Pancasila well, you would know that it applies only in Indonesia - it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Yemen or any other Islamic country.

Point #1 of Pancasila is:

Belief in the one and only God, (in Indonesian, Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa).

Thus any religion which worships one God is respected in Indonesia - others are not. Funnily enough, some extreme Islamic groups consider Pancasila to be at odds with Islam. The religions allowed are Islam, Christianity,Buddhism, Hindu and Catholicism (which Pancasila lists seperately from Protestantism).

Pancasila (politics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Unkotare]

Would you like to tell us how well Native American Indians are treated in the US?

Do they have National Language status? Is their religion respected at the level of courts & parliaments?

Again we see that you don't understand the first thing about the United States.

 

[irosie91]

Rosie -

actually I think it is six religions ALLOWED according to
the ISLAMIC AUTHORITIES I know the system well----it is a set
up for oppression and exploitation and genocide. Try to remember--my own
husband was born in a shariah cesspit as a DHIMMI--- one
"PERMITTED BY ISLAMIC OVERLORDS" a subjugated life.

If you did know the Pancasila well, you would know that it applies only in Indonesia - it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Yemen or any other Islamic country.

Point #1 of Pancasila is:

Belief in the one and only God, (in Indonesian, Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa).

Thus any religion which worships one God is respected in Indonesia - others are not. Funnily

enough, some extreme Islamic groups consider Pancasila to be at odds with Islam. The religions allowed are Islam, Christianity,Buddhism, Hindu and Catholicism (which Pancasila lists seperately from Protestantism).

Pancasila (politics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know pancasila and shariah enough to know that Pancasila is a
recap of the filth of shariah As to some people who reject the
Pancasila filth----their objection might be the acceptance of HINDUISM
and BUDDHISM which includes idols and some polytheism.
That problem was already addressed as acceptable in the
shariah of the MOGHUL EMPIRE----for practical purposes---
like ----the empire needed the hindus in order to function so they did some
sophist maneuvers to describe hinduism as "sorta monotheistic" LONG
AGO -----afterall---BUSINESS IS BUSINESS---the moghuls wanted as much
of the gold and genius of India that they could extract so they compromised
-----you cannot make a silk purse out of a pig's ear saigon ---I do
recognize the fact that you are striving MIGHTILY to do so. When the
muslims of indonesia decide to get rid of hindus ---SUDDENLY idols or
something else associated with hinduism will become THE BIG SIN

try to face reality ---saigon. Lately in egypt---the raising of pigs
became THE ISSUE when the MB
decided to murder christians
seek and ye shall find<<<its an adage from the koran

 

[Saigon]

Rosie -

It is impossible for me to discuss Pancasila until you understand that is not an Islamic concept - it is an Indonesia concept.

Nothing to do with Yemen, the Moghuls or anyone else.

Just occasionally it would be nice if posters could be honest and say "Ok, I was wrong about that - my mistake" and move on.

Obviously you have never heard of Pancasila and you don't know what it is - that's fine - but why not admit it rather than bluff?

 

[irosie91]

Rosie -

It is impossible for me to discuss Pancasila until you understand that is not an Islamic concept - it is an Indonesia concept.

Nothing to do with Yemen, the Moghuls or anyone else.

wrong again saigon---it is ENTIRELY ISLAMIC the is nothing at
all NOT ISLAMIC about it ----"legal religions" in accordance with
the precepts of the koran ------read the book ---even the adaptation
allowing hindus "in" is classically islamic-----in the MOGHUL
for profit manner Now you tell me BUDDHIST basis for declaring
ONE religion ---the superior and all other allowable religions---inferior---
or are you claiming that it is CONFUCIANISM (which btw wikki
claims is also "permitted" Tell me in what society other than
islamic is atheism OUTLAWED? you are an apologist for
a system that inevitably leads to genocide

 

[Hossfly]

Hossfly -

I'm not sure what immigration has to do with it. Indonesia certainly has hundreds of different ethnicities, but that is more to do with the diversity of the islands (Irian Jaya, Flores, Bali) than it does immigration.

Countries evolve in different ways, and at different speeds. There are dozens of clear reasons for societies to be held back - war, famine, oppression, colonialism, poverty - and we see the impact of those factors right around the world. Indonesia hus suffered all of those factors, whereas the US has suffered very few of those in the past 200 years.

What you have to keep in mind is that Indonesia has only been a democracy since around 1990. Development has been much faster since then.

A lot of the countries I go to are a century behind Europe in social development, but as we see in countries like Ghana, Rwanda and Malaysia, poor countries do develop quite naturally given the time and space to do so. As they develop, so civil rights should improve. It is a case of establishing good government and justice, then improving living standards & education, then we tend to see development right across the board, and better civil rights and tolerance.

Does it really surprise you that Burundi has a worse record on civil rights than Germany does?

And I am not even sure why this thread has segued into Indonesia. I'm not in the mood to go back and read each thread to see why, but maybe you can tell me. However, let me tell you one thing. For supposedly being a journalist, you are not very discerning. You seem to want to back up Fred here because he is a Sunni Muslim convert living in Indonesia (maybe you are a convert too for all we know). Meanwhile, you never seem to have caught his references to the Jews and to Israel which come straight from the hate sites. How do I know this? Because it is the same nonsense viewers of message boards have read for years and years from posters just like Fred. Now, how about we forget Indonesia and get back to the topic of the thread. I don't think there are many Jews living in Indonesia to disturb Fred.

 

[irosie91]

Hossfly -

I'm not sure what immigration has to do with it. Indonesia certainly has hundreds of different ethnicities, but that is more to do with the diversity of the islands (Irian Jaya, Flores, Bali) than it does immigration.

Countries evolve in different ways, and at different speeds. There are dozens of clear reasons for societies to be held back - war, famine, oppression, colonialism, poverty - and we see the impact of those factors right around the world. Indonesia hus suffered all of those factors, whereas the US has suffered very few of those in the past 200 years.

What you have to keep in mind is that Indonesia has only been a democracy since around 1990. Development has been much faster since then.

A lot of the countries I go to are a century behind Europe in social development, but as we see in countries like Ghana, Rwanda and Malaysia, poor countries do develop quite naturally
given the time and space to do so. As they develop, so civil rights should improve. It is a case of establishing good government and justice, then improving living standards & education, then we tend to see development right across the board, and better civil rights and tolerance.


Does it really surprise you that Burundi has a worse record on civil rights than Germany does?

And I am not even sure why this thread has segued into Indonesia. I'm not in the mood to go back and read each thread to see why, but maybe you can tell me. However, let me tell you one thing. For supposedly being a journalist, you are not very discerning. You seem to want to back up Fred here because he is a Sunni Muslim convert living in Indonesia (maybe
you are a convert too for all we know). Meanwhile, you never seem to have caught his references to the Jews and to Israel which come straight from the hate sites. How do I know this? Because it is the same nonsense viewers of message boards have read for years and years from posters just like Fred. Now, how about we forget Indonesia and get back to the topic of the thread. I don't think there are many Jews living in Indonesia to disturb Fred.

THE GOOD NEWS is that judaism is NOT A LEGAL religion in
INDONESIA I am so delighted I had no idea until I checked
---its as good as being rejected by hitler and osama combined

 

[Indofred]

Hossfly -

I'm not sure what immigration has to do with it. Indonesia certainly has hundreds of different ethnicities, but that is more to do with the diversity of the islands (Irian Jaya, Flores, Bali) than it does immigration.

Countries evolve in different ways, and at different speeds. There are dozens of clear reasons for societies to be held back - war, famine, oppression, colonialism, poverty - and we see the impact of those factors right around the world. Indonesia hus suffered all of those factors, whereas the US has suffered very few of those in the past 200 years.

What you have to keep in mind is that Indonesia has only been a democracy since around 1990. Development has been much faster since then.

A lot of the countries I go to are a century behind Europe in social development, but as we see in countries like Ghana, Rwanda and Malaysia, poor countries do develop quite naturally given the time and space to do so. As they develop, so civil rights should improve. It is a case of establishing good government and justice, then improving living standards & education, then we tend to see development right across the board, and better civil rights and tolerance.

Does it really surprise you that Burundi has a worse record on civil rights than Germany does?

And I am not even sure why this thread has segued into Indonesia. I'm not in the mood to go back and read each thread to see why, but maybe you can tell me. However, let me tell you one thing. For supposedly being a journalist, you are not very discerning. You seem to want to back up Fred here because he is a Sunni Muslim convert living in Indonesia (maybe you are a convert too for all we know). Meanwhile, you never seem to have caught his references to the Jews and to Israel which come straight from the hate sites. How do I know this? Because it is the same nonsense viewers of message boards have read for years and years from posters just like Fred. Now, how about we forget Indonesia and get back to the topic of the thread. I don't think there are many Jews living in Indonesia to disturb Fred.

Wrong on the last bit.
There are a good few Jews around here and I know of one Jewish temple not a long way from where I live. It's called a church and looks like a church but there are funny candlesticks all over the place.
They hide because there are extremists here who would attack them but I am not in their number so I keep mum as to who they really are.
I may well consider the Israeli government to be some of the biggest bastards on earth but that doesn't extend to Jews in general just because they happen to be of that religion.

Unlike some posters here, I don't tar all with the same brush because some, more extreme Jews, are evil.

 

[Indofred]

Hossfly -

I'm not sure what immigration has to do with it. Indonesia certainly has hundreds of different ethnicities, but that is more to do with the diversity of the islands (Irian Jaya, Flores, Bali) than it does immigration.

Countries evolve in different ways, and at different speeds. There are dozens of clear reasons for societies to be held back - war, famine, oppression, colonialism, poverty - and we see the impact of those factors right around the world. Indonesia hus suffered all of those factors, whereas the US has suffered very few of those in the past 200 years.

What you have to keep in mind is that Indonesia has only been a democracy since around 1990. Development has been much faster since then.

A lot of the countries I go to are a century behind Europe in social development, but as we see in countries like Ghana, Rwanda and Malaysia, poor countries do develop quite naturally
given the time and space to do so. As they develop, so civil rights should improve. It is a case of establishing good government and justice, then improving living standards & education, then we tend to see development right across the board, and better civil rights and tolerance.


Does it really surprise you that Burundi has a worse record on civil rights than Germany does?

And I am not even sure why this thread has segued into Indonesia. I'm not in the mood to go back and read each thread to see why, but maybe you can tell me. However, let me tell you one thing. For supposedly being a journalist, you are not very discerning. You seem to want to back up Fred here because he is a Sunni Muslim convert living in Indonesia (maybe
you are a convert too for all we know). Meanwhile, you never seem to have caught his references to the Jews and to Israel which come straight from the hate sites. How do I know this? Because it is the same nonsense viewers of message boards have read for years and years from posters just like Fred. Now, how about we forget Indonesia and get back to the topic of the thread. I don't think there are many Jews living in Indonesia to disturb Fred.

THE GOOD NEWS is that judaism is NOT A LEGAL religion in
INDONESIA I am so delighted I had no idea until I checked
---its as good as being rejected by hitler and osama combined

Odd.
You now hate Indonesia but you know so little about it.

Hate is a terrible thing.

 

[irosie91]

And I am not even sure why this thread has segued into Indonesia. I'm not in the mood to go back and read each thread to see why, but maybe you can tell me. However, let me tell you one thing. For supposedly being a journalist, you are not very discerning. You seem to want to back up Fred here because he is a Sunni Muslim convert living in Indonesia (maybe
you are a convert too for all we know). Meanwhile, you never seem to have caught his references to the Jews and to Israel which come straight from the hate sites. How do I know this? Because it is the same nonsense viewers of message boards have read for years and years from posters just like Fred. Now, how about we forget Indonesia and get back to the topic of the thread. I don't think there are many Jews living in Indonesia to disturb Fred.

THE GOOD NEWS is that judaism is NOT A LEGAL religion in
INDONESIA I am so delighted I had no idea until I checked
---its as good as being rejected by hitler and osama combined

Odd.
You now hate Indonesia but you know so little about it.

Hate is a terrible thing.

anybody who does not hate the filth of shariah----is
disgusting I know enough about shariah. That
which I do know about Indonesia----I learned from
a young immigrant to the USA---about 8 years ago.
He stated he was descended from Dutch migrants
to Indonesia centuries ago----I did know before
that that dutch sailors ---traders did migrate out
there He did describe a growing economy
in indonesia----then hubby asked--"why did you
come to the USA"? he answered "TO SURVIVE"

survive??? "SURVIVE THE MUSLIMS"---
that was when I began to take an interest and
noticed that Indonesia is ---essentially ---
INCREASINGLY a SHARIAH CESSPIT.

with the shariah lovers-----growing like
a malignancy. enough for me ---then--
of course BALI happened confirming
the filth which is Indonesia

 

[Hossfly]

Hossfly -

I'm not sure what immigration has to do with it. Indonesia certainly has hundreds of different ethnicities, but that is more to do with the diversity of the islands (Irian Jaya, Flores, Bali) than it does immigration.

Countries evolve in different ways, and at different speeds. There are dozens of clear reasons for societies to be held back - war, famine, oppression, colonialism, poverty - and we see the impact of those factors right around the world. Indonesia hus suffered all of those factors, whereas the US has suffered very few of those in the past 200 years.

What you have to keep in mind is that Indonesia has only been a democracy since around 1990. Development has been much faster since then.

A lot of the countries I go to are a century behind Europe in social development, but as we see in countries like Ghana, Rwanda and Malaysia, poor countries do develop quite naturally given the time and space to do so. As they develop, so civil rights should improve. It is a case of establishing good government and justice, then improving living standards & education, then we tend to see development right across the board, and better civil rights and tolerance.

Does it really surprise you that Burundi has a worse record on civil rights than Germany does?

And I am not even sure why this thread has segued into Indonesia. I'm not in the mood to go back and read each thread to see why, but maybe you can tell me. However, let me tell you one thing. For supposedly being a journalist, you are not very discerning. You seem to want to back up Fred here because he is a Sunni Muslim convert living in Indonesia (maybe you are a convert too for all we know). Meanwhile, you never seem to have caught his references to the Jews and to Israel which come straight from the hate sites. How do I know this? Because it is the same nonsense viewers of message boards have read for years and years from posters just like Fred. Now, how about we forget Indonesia and get back to the topic of the thread. I don't think there are many Jews living in Indonesia to disturb Fred.

Wrong on the last bit.
There are a good few Jews around here and I know of one Jewish temple not a long way from where I live. It's called a church and looks like a church but there are funny candlesticks all over the place.
They hide because there are extremists here who would attack them but I am not in their number so I keep mum as to who they really are.
I may well consider the Israeli government to be some of the biggest bastards on earth but that doesn't extend to Jews in general just because they happen to be of that religion.

Unlike some posters here, I don't tar all with the same brush because some, more extreme Jews, are evil.

Jews have to hide their "church" in Indonesia? So much for peaceful Islam.

 

[Hossfly]

And I am not even sure why this thread has segued into Indonesia. I'm not in the mood to go back and read each thread to see why, but maybe you can tell me. However, let me tell you one thing. For supposedly being a journalist, you are not very discerning. You seem to want to back up Fred here because he is a Sunni Muslim convert living in Indonesia (maybe you are a convert too for all we know). Meanwhile, you never seem to have caught his references to the Jews and to Israel which come straight from the hate sites. How do I know this? Because it is the same nonsense viewers of message boards have read for years and years from posters just like Fred. Now, how about we forget Indonesia and get back to the topic of the thread. I don't think there are many Jews living in Indonesia to disturb Fred.

Wrong on the last bit.
There are a good few Jews around here and I know of one Jewish temple not a long way from where I live. It's called a church and looks like a church but there are funny candlesticks all over the place.
They hide because there are extremists here who would attack them but I am not in their number so I keep mum as to who they really are.
I may well consider the Israeli government to be some of the biggest bastards on earth but that doesn't extend to Jews in general just because they happen to be of that religion.

Unlike some posters here, I don't tar all with the same brush because some, more extreme Jews, are evil.

Jews have to hide their "church" in Indonesia? So much for peaceful Islam.

And in addition to that, Fred, I doubt anyone is tarring all the Muslims with the same brush. Since you seem to always throw out the word "bastards" when it comes to the Israeli government, I know you wouldn't mind that I throw out the same word to describe many of the Muslim leaders here on earth. However, it seems that the real peaceful Muslims are the Ahmadis, and I don't know what you Sunni Muslims have against them. Are they really harming the Sunnis in Indonesia with their own beliefs? It seems whether they are living in Indonesia, Pakistan, even in Britain, the Sunnis are against them. The following is something I just read.

Bekasi Mayor, MUI Petition SBY to Ban Ahmadiyah - The Jakarta Globe

 

[Unkotare]

Hossfly -

I'm not sure what immigration has to do with it. Indonesia certainly has hundreds of different ethnicities, but that is more to do with the diversity of the islands (Irian Jaya, Flores, Bali) than it does immigration.

Countries evolve in different ways, and at different speeds. There are dozens of clear reasons for societies to be held back - war, famine, oppression, colonialism, poverty - and we see the impact of those factors right around the world. Indonesia hus suffered all of those factors, whereas the US has suffered very few of those in the past 200 years.

What you have to keep in mind is that Indonesia has only been a democracy since around 1990. Development has been much faster since then.

A lot of the countries I go to are a century behind Europe in social development, but as we see in countries like Ghana, Rwanda and Malaysia, poor countries do develop quite naturally given the time and space to do so. As they develop, so civil rights should improve. It is a case of establishing good government and justice, then improving living standards & education, then we tend to see development right across the board, and better civil rights and tolerance.

Does it really surprise you that Burundi has a worse record on civil rights than Germany does?

And I am not even sure why this thread has segued into Indonesia. I'm not in the mood to go back and read each thread to see why, but maybe you can tell me. However, let me tell you one thing. For supposedly being a journalist, you are not very discerning. You seem to want to back up Fred here because he is a Sunni Muslim convert living in Indonesia (maybe you are a convert too for all we know). Meanwhile, you never seem to have caught his references to the Jews and to Israel which come straight from the hate sites. How do I know this? Because it is the same nonsense viewers of message boards have read for years and years from posters just like Fred. Now, how about we forget Indonesia and get back to the topic of the thread. I don't think there are many Jews living in Indonesia to disturb Fred.

Wrong on the last bit.
There are a good few Jews around here and I know of one Jewish temple not a long way from where I live. It's called a church and looks like a church but there are funny candlesticks all over the place.
They hide because there are extremists here who would attack them but I am not in their number so I keep mum as to who they really are.
I may well consider the Israeli government to be some of the biggest bastards on earth but that doesn't extend to Jews in general just because they happen to be of that religion.

Unlike some posters here, I don't tar all with the same brush because some, more extreme Jews, are evil.

In some ways, being Chinese in parts of SEA is occasionally like being Jewish at certain points in Europe's history.

 

[Indofred]

Wrong on the last bit.
There are a good few Jews around here and I know of one Jewish temple not a long way from where I live. It's called a church and looks like a church but there are funny candlesticks all over the place.
They hide because there are extremists here who would attack them but I am not in their number so I keep mum as to who they really are.
I may well consider the Israeli government to be some of the biggest bastards on earth but that doesn't extend to Jews in general just because they happen to be of that religion.

Unlike some posters here, I don't tar all with the same brush because some, more extreme Jews, are evil.

Jews have to hide their "church" in Indonesia? So much for peaceful Islam.

And in addition to that, Fred, I doubt anyone is tarring all the Muslims with the same brush. Since you seem to always throw out the word "bastards" when it comes to the Israeli government, I know you wouldn't mind that I throw out the same word to describe many of the Muslim leaders here on earth. However, it seems that the real peaceful Muslims are the Ahmadis, and I don't know what you Sunni Muslims have against them. Are they really harming the Sunnis in Indonesia with their own beliefs? It seems whether they are living in Indonesia, Pakistan, even in Britain, the Sunnis are against them. The following is something I just read.

Bekasi Mayor, MUI Petition SBY to Ban Ahmadiyah - The Jakarta Globe

In my opinion, all extremists are daft bastards, including Muslim extremists.
If they want to serve the Almighty, the idiots should help people in need, not blow people up.
Yes, Muslim extremists are bastards and ones I hold in even worse contempt than the Israeli government.