Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[Shusha]

And to think just 3 hours later I responded to her post and addressed every point.

Except for the logic and truth part.

 

[Shusha]

Israel started the violence, the first step is Israel's.

That "first step" was taking in 2005 when Israel completely abandoned Gaza. Rather than use that as an opportunity for peace -- Gaza has continually attacked Israel.

 

[Shusha]

Now you're trying to defend Israeli atrocities with total bullshit.

No. I'm trying to highlight the difficulties in addressing that sort of mixed civilian/militant riot. Look. You've already admitted upthread that there are armed and dangerous people hidden amongst a civilian population, including children. So you can't very well back out of that now and remain honest.

 

[Shusha]

This protest is built around the inhuman treatment you are forcing them to live under. You are denying them their inalienable rights.

And what inalienable rights are those? The right to a State? To self-determination? The obligation to put their own citizens welfare above well, everything else?

So, you mean forcing them to govern themselves? To interact with other States without belligerent attacks on other states borders? To provide for their own citizens? To develop an economy? To not depend on other states for health care, electricity, water and education?

The HORROR!

Look the NORM for independent states is not to try to break down borders. Its not hold violent riots against their neighboring states. Its not to shoot rockets at them. If they want to normalize relations with Israel -- they need to normalize relations with Israel.

No nation on earth would be expected to have normal relations with a state which is attacking them on a daily basis. End the violence.

 

[Shusha]

You're asking the wrong question. The government of Gaza is not attacking Israel.

Oh please. Do we need to go over that list one more time?

Do you think that the government of Gaza should: stop attacking Israel with rockets and violent riots at the border; actively police the border protests to prevent violence; protect children and other vulnerable groups; stop smuggling weapons into Gaza; spend available money on infrastructure and not terror; stop inciting violence; accept Israel as a peaceful neighbor? Yes or no?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You're asking the wrong question. The government of Gaza is not attacking Israel.

Oh please. Do we need to go over that list one more time?

Do you think that the government of Gaza should: stop attacking Israel with rockets and violent riots at the border; actively police the border protests to prevent violence; protect children and other vulnerable groups; stop smuggling weapons into Gaza; spend available money on infrastructure and not terror; stop inciting violence; accept Israel as a peaceful neighbor? Yes or no?

Israel is not a neighbor. It is a settler colonial project eating up Palestine every day.

 

[Shusha]

You're asking the wrong question. The government of Gaza is not attacking Israel.

Oh please. Do we need to go over that list one more time?

Do you think that the government of Gaza should: stop attacking Israel with rockets and violent riots at the border; actively police the border protests to prevent violence; protect children and other vulnerable groups; stop smuggling weapons into Gaza; spend available money on infrastructure and not terror; stop inciting violence; accept Israel as a peaceful neighbor? Yes or no?

Israel is not a neighbor. It is a settler colonial project eating up Palestine every day.

Sure. You are the epitome of "we don't want a state, we just want to make sure Israel doesn't have one".

 

[Hollie]

You're asking the wrong question. The government of Gaza is not attacking Israel.

Oh please. Do we need to go over that list one more time?

Do you think that the government of Gaza should: stop attacking Israel with rockets and violent riots at the border; actively police the border protests to prevent violence; protect children and other vulnerable groups; stop smuggling weapons into Gaza; spend available money on infrastructure and not terror; stop inciting violence; accept Israel as a peaceful neighbor? Yes or no?

Israel is not a neighbor. It is a settler colonial project eating up Palestine every day.

Lamenting the collapse of the Islamist caliphate and loss of the Islamic settler project?

 

[Hollie]

The continuing failure of the Islamist tire burning gee-had / Islamist Setter Colonial Project.


Hamas claims dozens wounded in border riots
IDF says some 10,500 Palestinian Arabs take part in weekly "March of the Return" violence along the Gaza border.

Hamas claims dozens wounded in border riots

Elad Benari, Canada, 05/04/19 20:18
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[USAF 2023]

You're asking the wrong question. The government of Gaza is not attacking Israel.

Oh please. Do we need to go over that list one more time?

Do you think that the government of Gaza should: stop attacking Israel with rockets and violent riots at the border; actively police the border protests to prevent violence; protect children and other vulnerable groups; stop smuggling weapons into Gaza; spend available money on infrastructure and not terror; stop inciting violence; accept Israel as a peaceful neighbor? Yes or no?

Israel is not a neighbor. It is a settler colonial project eating up Palestine every day.

Translation; Israel does not have the Right to exist. Tell that to the U.N. Is that why you keep avoiding the question as to their denying Israel’s right to the Western Wall? Keep posting!

 

[Billo_Really]

And where did you find evidence of this little nugget, over 2000 years ago?
And I am not talking about AFTER the Arab Muslims invaded in the 7th century CE.

What tribe of Arabs, or Individual Arabs are reported historically to have converted to Judaism over 2000 years ago?

You got that backwards. Jews converted to Islam. Just ask Schlomo Sands.

 

[Billo_Really]

Except for the logic and truth part.

Everything I say is true.

Yer welcome!

 

[Billo_Really]

That "first step" was taking in 2005 when Israel completely abandoned Gaza. Rather than use that as an opportunity for peace -- Gaza has continually attacked Israel.

That's the big lie you tell yourself just so you can sleep at night.

 

[Billo_Really]

No. I'm trying to highlight the difficulties in addressing that sort of mixed civilian/militant riot. Look. You've already admitted upthread that there are armed and dangerous people hidden amongst a civilian population, including children. So you can't very well back out of that now and remain honest.

I don't agree it was a riot and I didn't admit people were hidden. But even if they were, you still have no right to shoot them.

 

[Billo_Really]

And what inalienable rights are those? The right to a State? To self-determination? The obligation to put their own citizens welfare above well, everything else?

Well, off the top of my head, the right to fish and farm without getting shot at. The right to feed their families without Israeli drones and missiles hitting their buildings on a weekly basis.

So, you mean forcing them to govern themselves? To interact with other States without belligerent attacks on other states borders? To provide for their own citizens? To develop an economy? To not depend on other states for health care, electricity, water and education?

They can't develop an economy when Israel controls 80% of what goes in to (and out of) Gaza. They wouldn't have to depend on other states for electricity and water if Israel would stop bombing their infrastructure. Which, BTW, is a war crime.

The HORROR!

Look the NORM for independent states is not to try to break down borders. Its not hold violent riots against their neighboring states. Its not to shoot rockets at them. If they want to normalize relations with Israel -- they need to normalize relations with Israel.

They can't. Israel won't allow it. Hamas and Fatah tried to settle their differences and form a unity government. Israel's response was Operation Cast Lead.

No nation on earth would be expected to have normal relations with a state which is attacking them on a daily basis. End the violence.

Then why don't Israel stop these daily attacks? You act like these rockets are nuclear tipped ICBM's. They're just homemade rockets fired out of the trunk of their cars. Most of them fall harmlessly in the desert. Israel, on the other hand, has smart weapons and is making Gaza practically unlivable. You people are fucked! You're not the victims, they are.

 

[Billo_Really]

Oh please. Do we need to go over that list one more time?

Do you think that the government of Gaza should: stop attacking Israel with rockets and violent riots at the border; actively police the border protests to prevent violence; protect children and other vulnerable groups; stop smuggling weapons into Gaza; spend available money on infrastructure and not terror; stop inciting violence; accept Israel as a peaceful neighbor? Yes or no?

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself, you can't turn a lie into the truth.

 

[Billo_Really]

Sure. You are the epitome of "we don't want a state, we just want to make sure Israel doesn't have one".

You might have a state, but you certainly don't deserve one.

 

[Billo_Really]

Translation; Israel does not have the Right to exist. Tell that to the U.N. Is that why you keep avoiding the question as to their denying Israel’s right to the Western Wall? Keep posting!

Nations don't have rights, people do.

 

[Sixties Fan]

And where did you find evidence of this little nugget, over 2000 years ago?
And I am not talking about AFTER the Arab Muslims invaded in the 7th century CE.

What tribe of Arabs, or Individual Arabs are reported historically to have converted to Judaism over 2000 years ago?

You got that backwards. Jews converted to Islam. Just ask Schlomo Sands.

1) You did not answer the questions

2) Under what circumstances did SOME Jews end up becoming Muslims in Arabia, or after the Islamic invasion of Israel/Palestine?

3) I no more need to ask ignorant Mr. Sands, than I need to ask ignorant Mr. Billo about Jewish history

 

[rylah]

The universal declaration of human rights, deals with individual rights,
not national rights or sovereignty.

Thats exactly the point, the confusion between national and personal rights.

But even on a personal level in any functional democracy the police, army and the courts are indeed authorized to take away a citizens' personal rights- therefore Your conclusion is wrong as well.

Nations don't have rights.

Charter of Economic Rights and Duties of States
GA Res. 3281(xxix), UN GAOR, 29th Sess., Supp. No. 31 (1974) 50 The General Assembly,

Each State has the right:

• (a) To regulate and exercise authority over foreign investment within its national jurisdiction in accordance with its laws and regulations and in conformity with its national objectives and priorities. No State shall be compelled to grant preferential treatment to foreign investment;
• (b) To regulate and supervise the activities of transnational corporations within its national jurisdiction and take measures to ensure that such activities comply with its laws, rules and regulations and conform with its economic and social policies. Transnational corporations shall not intervene in the internal affairs of a host State. Every State should, with full regard for its sovereign rights, cooperate with other States in the exercise of the right set forth in this subparagraph;
• (c) To nationalize, expropriate or transfer ownership of foreign property, in which case appropriate compensation should be paid by the State adopting such measures, taking into account its relevant laws and regulations and all circumstances that the State considers pertinent. In any case where the question of compensation gives rise to a controversy, it shall be settled under the domestic law of the nationalizing State and by its tribunals, unless it is freely and mutually agreed by all States concerned that other peaceful means be sought on the basis of the sovereign equality of States and in accordance with the principle of free choice of means..

https://www.aaas.org/sites/default/..._Economic_Rights_and_Duties_of_States_Eng.pdf