Planned Parenthood: False Allegations and the Clown Car

[Synthaholic]

This reminds me of the PP hoax, and the Right-Wing Media:

Kinda like in the 90's when liberals said a blow job wasn't sex?

A blowjob is sex? How about licking a tit? Is that sex, too?

So you don't think oral sex is sex? You have never gotten a BJ...

Here is the definition used of sex for Clinton:

"For the purposes of this deposition, a person engages in sexual relations when the person knowingly engages in or causes:

1. Contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person;
2. Contact between any part of the person's body or an object and the genitals or anus of another person; or
3. Contact between the genitals or anus of the person and any part of another person's body.

Contact means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing."

And you don't think Slick didn't engage in that?

Sadly for President Clinton, he's the only man to have ever cheated on his wife; the only man in a position of power to ever be tempted by a younger women, the only man in America, elected to office, who ever cheated on his wife.

Thankfully he wasn't a wrestling coach who fucked one of his students, otherwise the Crazy Right Wing would still be bringing that up decades later. Oh, yeah they do, and they forget to bring up the republican pervert.

We've only had one divorced president. Another Republican, with a criminal administration for good measure.

 

[Redfish]

Kinda like in the 90's when liberals said a blow job wasn't sex?

A blowjob is sex? How about licking a tit? Is that sex, too?

Sexual harrassment?

How is it harassment when it's consensual?

It's amusing how conservatives desperately are trying to change the subject from the failed PP hoax to Bill and Monica's consensual relationship.

Well if it's consensual .... Then it's sex. Way to answer your own question there dumbass.

No, it's a consensual relationship. Who said it was sex?

If you and I decide to meet for a round of golf, that's also a consensual relationship. It's a golfing relationship. No one is forcing you to meet me.

the girl was 19, bubba was in his 50s. He was the pres, she was an intern. If the CEO of Exxon did the same thing with an exxon intern he would have lost his jobs and been prosecuted for sexual harassment and/or rape.

Why do you libs think the clintons are above the law?

 

[Synthaholic]

Notice how the wingnuts are desperately trying to deflect from their failed PP hoax?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So was Dred Scott UNTIL WE THE PEOPLE made such a BIG STINK about it, as we do today with BABY KILLING!... Still nothing on your avatar, Pond scum?

Well, nothing is stopping "you the people" to adjust the laws I believe.

Why don't you change the holy constitution to outlaw abortion, gay marriage and force everybody to attend church at least once a week?

If ISIS and the Taliban can do it surely you can do it too

Huckabee/Santorum 2016!




Oh, and my avatar isn't pond scum. Care to try again?

2 good men that won't make the cut...simply because they AREN'T MAD ENOUGH!

We are trying baby killer, we simply need a president & Congress with balls to slap down scum like you...still haven't explained your avatar.... hateful atheist.... and that coming from an agnostic!

You had the H. or Rep., the Senate and the White House, as well as a majority of the Supreme Court under GWB, funny thing being there was no call for ending abortion in America at that time

Do you know why?

Abortion and guns are wedge issues, by pretending to oppose abortion for ethical reasons the GOP candidates did nothing when they had the power to do so. Ya'll keep on voting for Republicans, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result seems to be the mind of the Republican voter.

Democrats in general are pragmatic, provide education and contracepties for free, and there will be less abortions. It's really quite simple.

Exactly.

 

[auditor0007]

Um...how do you figure that?

Most objections to PP are over their abortion services without understanding that they prevent more abortions than provide.

still waiting for you to prove that claim.

Since they provide cheap to free birth control, they help prevent millions of unwanted pregnancies that would likely become abortions. If you do not understand that, then there is no hope for you.

Isn't BIRTH CONTROL demanded and mandatory with ObumaCare? No longer need the PARTS FOR PROFIT, Planned Parenthood, that soaks up 1/2 BILLION a year from taxpayers!

Yes it was

Please tell us where the closest Obamacare Clinic is located that these women can now go to instead of going to a Planned Parenthood Clinic. Maybe I missed something, but I don't recall Obamacare setting up clinics for women or men or children or anyone for that matter, but maybe I was misinformed. I just thought that Obamacare was a means to pay for healthcare costs that are provided by healthcare providers, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Obamacare is like theNHS IN the UK. Please tell me more about this Obamacare, because I must have gotten it all wrong.

 

[auditor0007]

Like I said in another forum. We have obama care now. No need for planned parenthood, put that money some where else.

What a stupid statement. Obamacare does not provide healthcare services. It is a means to pay for those services. Are you really that dumb? I really hate calling people out on stupidity but damn, that is just an unbelievably stupid statement.

You can get them via Medicare and Medicaid.

Medicare and Medicaid is not a place. You still have to go somewhere to get them. You also still have to go somewhere for all other medical tests and treatments. You tell us doctors don't want the extra Medicaid patients, so where do you want them to go? Planned Parenthood is a relatively cheap place to go for their healthcare.

 

[auditor0007]

Like I said in another forum. We have obama care now. No need for planned parenthood, put that money some where else.

What a stupid statement. Obamacare does not provide healthcare services. It is a means to pay for those services. Are you really that dumb? I really hate calling people out on stupidity but damn, that is just an unbelievably stupid statement.

Means you can go to a doctor you stupid shit.

Planned Parenthood has doctors, and they are happy to accept people on Medicaid unlike many private care providers. You cons cry that Obamacare has created more patients than doctors can handle but you want to put a good healthcare provider out of business. SMH!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Like I said in another forum. We have obama care now. No need for planned parenthood, put that money some where else.

What a stupid statement. Obamacare does not provide healthcare services. It is a means to pay for those services. Are you really that dumb? I really hate calling people out on stupidity but damn, that is just an unbelievably stupid statement.

Means you can go to a doctor you stupid shit.

Planned Parenthood has doctors, and they are happy to accept people on Medicaid unlike many private care providers. You cons cry that Obamacare has created more patients than doctors can handle but you want to put a good healthcare provider out of business. SMH!

Good healthcare providers don't murder the innocent

 

[kiwiman127]

Well, you are here and so is the
vigilante clown.

Isn't that enough?

LOW 2 digit IQ is present in this scumbag!... More ranting... please,... you entertain with your HATE of anything moral, ethical and principled!

Oh the irony from probably the biggest hater on USMB.
The only person you are convincing is yourself. Of course it's easy to see why, you are so easily manipulated.

Yes, I look at my ratings for about 16 months of being here (4 months banned included!)and YOUR ratings for being here 4 and 1/2 YEARS longer than I and I'm the biggest hater!!! You are BEYOND stupid! When you liberal scum have NO moral, ethical, or principled platform to stand on, THE PEOPLE of the forum know who tells THE TRUTH, and who the cock suckers that hate America are! Thank you for pointing that out!

Awww, I hurt your feelings?
Your version of the truth is what fits your warped view of the world,which doesn't actually mirror reality.
Secondly Mr, Sewermouth, you are the last person who should criticize someone else's morals.
Regarding the threads subject, I just happen to be pro-life (but pro-choice when rape, incest and mother's life is part of the equation).
I happen to think that PP does a lot of good things, it's too bad they do abortions. Being as abortion is legal, I just have to live with it, even though it goes against my moral principles. And because what they do is legal including providing tissue for research, I see nothing illegal. I only see people basing an argument on exaggeration and questionable info.

Selling body parts is illegal. PP is selling body parts.

According to Fact check, you are incorrect.

 

[auditor0007]

Since they provide cheap to free birth control, they help prevent millions of unwanted pregnancies that would likely become abortions. If you do not understand that, then there is no hope for you.

I am sure you have a link to those claimed facts and figures??

Never mind, I brought planned parenthood's own stats to make a liar out of you.

[Snip]
These numbers show why Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA
®

•
Estimated number of unintended pregnancies averted by Planned Parenthood
contraceptive services each year:
515,000
•
Estimated number of abortions averted by Planned Parenthood contraceptive services each year:
216,000


http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/9313/9611/7194/Planned_Parenthood_By_The_Numbers.pdf

I am glad we agree then. You have just proven that in the past 40 years, Planned Parenthood has averted over 8 million abortions and millions more unwanted pregnancies.

how many unwanted pregnancies did the condom machines in gas station restrooms prevent? You no more know that than you know how many PP prevented.

You were the one who chose to approve of Planned Parenthood's numbers. So there you have it.

 

[auditor0007]

Like I said in another forum. We have obama care now. No need for planned parenthood, put that money some where else.

What a stupid statement. Obamacare does not provide healthcare services. It is a means to pay for those services. Are you really that dumb? I really hate calling people out on stupidity but damn, that is just an unbelievably stupid statement.

Means you can go to a doctor you stupid shit.

Planned Parenthood has doctors, and they are happy to accept people on Medicaid unlike many private care providers. You cons cry that Obamacare has created more patients than doctors can handle but you want to put a good healthcare provider out of business. SMH!

Good healthcare providers don't murder the innocent

Abortion is not murder. Sorry if I do not share your theological beliefs.

 

[kaz]

He got a Monica, Holmes, what difference does your question make?

I don't know. You brought it up.

I did?

A blowjob is sex? How about licking a tit? Is that sex, too?

 

[kaz]

still waiting for you to prove that claim.

Since they provide cheap to free birth control, they help prevent millions of unwanted pregnancies that would likely become abortions. If you do not understand that, then there is no hope for you.

Isn't BIRTH CONTROL demanded and mandatory with ObumaCare? No longer need the PARTS FOR PROFIT, Planned Parenthood, that soaks up 1/2 BILLION a year from taxpayers!

1/2 a billion to provide all types of medical services to women at reduced costs to taxpayers. And that does not include abortions, because abortions cannot be funded with taxpayer dollars. You clowns crack me up crying over 1/2 a billion dollars per year for a program that actually does a tremendous amount of good.

And do you thank the people actually paying for that or kick us in the teeth and tell us we deserve that and more? We both know the answer to that, don't we?

I would gladly thank you if you weren't trying to defund it. What is ironic is that cons never look at the cost of defunding Planned Parenthood. In the long run we would end up with millions more on the dole for who knows how many years. I am pretty certain it would make that 1/2 billion per year look like peanuts. As much as you folks think you can tell women just to keep their legs crossed, it's not going to happen.

Hey guy, I'm not a con, you should talk to them about what cons think. Let me know if you want my view

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Like I said in another forum. We have obama care now. No need for planned parenthood, put that money some where else.

What a stupid statement. Obamacare does not provide healthcare services. It is a means to pay for those services. Are you really that dumb? I really hate calling people out on stupidity but damn, that is just an unbelievably stupid statement.

Means you can go to a doctor you stupid shit.

Planned Parenthood has doctors, and they are happy to accept people on Medicaid unlike many private care providers. You cons cry that Obamacare has created more patients than doctors can handle but you want to put a good healthcare provider out of business. SMH!

Good healthcare providers don't murder the innocent

Abortion is not murder. Sorry if I do not share your theological beliefs.

Yeah it is....plain and simply....it's murder and if you condone or support it you're just as guilty

 

[kaz]

Um...how do you figure that?

Most objections to PP are over their abortion services without understanding that they prevent more abortions than provide.

still waiting for you to prove that claim.

Since they provide cheap to free birth control, they help prevent millions of unwanted pregnancies that would likely become abortions. If you do not understand that, then there is no hope for you.

Yet you don't care enough to spend your money on that, so you're not really committed to that cause in any way, are you? As long as someone does something with someone else's money, yeah, you're for that

I pay my taxes just like you do.

Filing a tax form with zero do isn't "pay(ing) taxes"

 

[kaz]

This reminds me of the PP hoax, and the Right-Wing Media:

Kinda like in the 90's when liberals said a blow job wasn't sex?

A blowjob is sex? How about licking a tit? Is that sex, too?

So you don't think oral sex is sex? You have never gotten a BJ...

Here is the definition used of sex for Clinton:

"For the purposes of this deposition, a person engages in sexual relations when the person knowingly engages in or causes:

1. Contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person;
2. Contact between any part of the person's body or an object and the genitals or anus of another person; or
3. Contact between the genitals or anus of the person and any part of another person's body.

Contact means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing."

And you don't think Slick didn't engage in that?

Sadly for President Clinton, he's the only man to have ever cheated on his wife; the only man in a position of power to ever be tempted by a younger women, the only man in America, elected to office, who ever cheated on his wife.

Thankfully he wasn't a wrestling coach who fucked one of his students, otherwise the Crazy Right Wing would still be bringing that up decades later. Oh, yeah they do, and they forget to bring up the republican pervert.

We've only had one divorced president. Another Republican, with a criminal administration for good measure.

and?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Ok, lets go slow. If you pay no taxes and pay nothing for your medical care-----------is it free to you?

again, its a yes or no question.

Unless you're a big job creating company like Apple it's impossible to go through life without paying taxes (even if it's just a sales tax when you buy something).

But for the sake of argument, yes, in that case it would be free. Allthough that doesn't matter because the other 99.9999999999% of the population do pay taxes and the government should provide healthcare to everyone. It's simply a human right the way I see it.

We are talking about federal income taxes. Why is that so hard for you libs to comprehend? Obozocare is a federal program funded with federal tax receipts. Since 47% of the population pays no federal income taxes and gets their obozocare policies free: then those people are getting it FREE.

Now, since I pay federal income taxes. I am paying for part of YOUR medical care. Now, explain why that is my responsibility to provide for your medical care.

Because you have tacitly signed off on the social contract, by using Federal Roads and Federal Protections, by voting in Federal Elections, signing up for the draft - if you're a guy - and have visitied and enjoyed national parks. If you've never died from bad water or bad meat, not contacted polio and own a gun.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Notice how the wingnuts are desperately trying to deflect from their failed PP hoax?

Not deflecting anything, we've already addressed it. Fact check is no better than Snopes. It never addressed the other videos, and I provided direct context, which is worth repeating...

From post #46

"At one point in the unedited video (which was also released by the group), Nucatola says: “Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line.”

Nucatola also says, “No one’s going to see this as a money making thing.” And at another point, she says, “Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that’s not what it is.”

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video


"I think every provider has had patients who want to donate their tissue, and they absolutely want to accommodate them. They just want to do it in a way that is not perceived as, ‘This clinic is selling tissue, this clinic is making money off of this.’ I know in the Planned Parenthood world they’re very very sensitive to that. And before an affiliate is gonna do that, they need to, obviously, they’re not -- some might do it for free -- but they want to come to a number that doesn’t look like they’re making money.

...

You know, I’m -- I could throw a number out that’s anywhere from $30 to $100 depending on the facility, and what’s involved. It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there that’s going to be doing everything, or is their staff going to be doing it? What exactly are they going to be doing? Is there shipping involved, is somebody coming to pick it up -- so, I think everybody just wants to — it’s really just about if anyone were ever to ask them, well what do you do for this $60, how can you justify that?

...

“You could call them up and say, ‘I’ll pay you double the money,’ and they’re almost more inclined to say no, because it’s going to look bad.

...

at the end of the day, they’re a non-profit, they just don’t want to -- they want to break even. And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they’re happy to do that.

...

“I mean really, the guidance is, this is not something you should be making an exorbitant amount of money on.”

-Dr. Deborah Nucatola

 

[bendog]

Ok, lets go slow. If you pay no taxes and pay nothing for your medical care-----------is it free to you?

again, its a yes or no question.

Unless you're a big job creating company like Apple it's impossible to go through life without paying taxes (even if it's just a sales tax when you buy something).

But for the sake of argument, yes, in that case it would be free. Allthough that doesn't matter because the other 99.9999999999% of the population do pay taxes and the government should provide healthcare to everyone. It's simply a human right the way I see it.

We are talking about federal income taxes. Why is that so hard for you libs to comprehend? Obozocare is a federal program funded with federal tax receipts. Since 47% of the population pays no federal income taxes and gets their obozocare policies free: then those people are getting it FREE.

Now, since I pay federal income taxes. I am paying for part of YOUR medical care. Now, explain why that is my responsibility to provide for your medical care.

Because you have tacitly signed off on the social contract, by using Federal Roads and Federal Protections, by voting in Federal Elections, signing up for the draft - if you're a guy - and have visitied and enjoyed national parks. If you've never died from bad water or bad meat, not contacted polio and own a gun.

Fish's meme is "the fed govt shouldn't be in healthcare," when in fact the fed income tax code has been giving his employer tax credits for his insurance since sometime around 1946.

 

[bendog]

Notice how the wingnuts are desperately trying to deflect from their failed PP hoax?

Not deflecting anything, we've already addressed it. Fact check is no better than Snopes. It never addressed the other videos, and I provided direct context, which is worth repeating...

From post #46

"At one point in the unedited video (which was also released by the group), Nucatola says: “Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line.”

Nucatola also says, “No one’s going to see this as a money making thing.” And at another point, she says, “Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that’s not what it is.”

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video


"I think every provider has had patients who want to donate their tissue, and they absolutely want to accommodate them. They just want to do it in a way that is not perceived as, ‘This clinic is selling tissue, this clinic is making money off of this.’ I know in the Planned Parenthood world they’re very very sensitive to that. And before an affiliate is gonna do that, they need to, obviously, they’re not -- some might do it for free -- but they want to come to a number that doesn’t look like they’re making money.

...

You know, I’m -- I could throw a number out that’s anywhere from $30 to $100 depending on the facility, and what’s involved. It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there that’s going to be doing everything, or is their staff going to be doing it? What exactly are they going to be doing? Is there shipping involved, is somebody coming to pick it up -- so, I think everybody just wants to — it’s really just about if anyone were ever to ask them, well what do you do for this $60, how can you justify that?

...

“You could call them up and say, ‘I’ll pay you double the money,’ and they’re almost more inclined to say no, because it’s going to look bad.

...

at the end of the day, they’re a non-profit, they just don’t want to -- they want to break even. And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they’re happy to do that.

...

“I mean really, the guidance is, this is not something you should be making an exorbitant amount of money on.”

-Dr. Deborah Nucatola

So, you're admitting PP isn't doing this to make more money? (not that they're making any anyway)