Planned Parenthood: False Allegations and the Clown Car

[Redfish]

Um...how do you figure that?

Most objections to PP are over their abortion services without understanding that they prevent more abortions than provide.

still waiting for you to prove that claim.

Do you believe that PP prevents more abortions than it performs?
If so why then would you want to eliminate the gains made with public funding?

Passing out condoms and BC pills may prevent pregnancies. Are you saying that every unintentional pregnancy would result in an abortion?

Not at all.

then how do you support your claim that PP prevents more abortions than it performs?

 

[kaz]

This reminds me of the PP hoax, and the Right-Wing Media:

Kinda like in the 90's when liberals said a blow job wasn't sex?

A blowjob is sex? How about licking a tit? Is that sex, too?

Sexual harrassment?

How is it harassment when it's consensual?

It's amusing how conservatives desperately are trying to change the subject from the failed PP hoax to Bill and Monica's consensual relationship.

Well if it's consensual .... Then it's sex. Way to answer your own question there dumbass.

The idea that an intern can have consensual sex with the big boss is dubious anyway. How can you consent without it being clear it's not a bribe on her part to get ahead or harassment on his part? It seems more the former than the latter in this case, but just being mutual consent would be very difficult to establish in this case.

If Slick had been a Republican, Democrats would suddenly get that and Syndi would parrot how ridiculous the President was to be calling it consensual sex to be blown by an intern

 

[Wry Catcher]

Through the ACA you can get contraception from your OBGYN.

Until the H. or Rep. votes to repeal Obamacare, or the parts of it which protect women's health. Of course they will keep trying to get the Senate on board with their war on women & children, Obamacare, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and TANF, until they are kicked out by the voters or get the voters to give the R's a majority in the Senate and their guy in the White House.

If that occurs we will be the first Western Democracy to become a full blown Plutocracy.

 

[Redfish]

Kinda like in the 90's when liberals said a blow job wasn't sex?

A blowjob is sex? How about licking a tit? Is that sex, too?

Sexual harrassment?

How is it harassment when it's consensual?

It's amusing how conservatives desperately are trying to change the subject from the failed PP hoax to Bill and Monica's consensual relationship.

Well if it's consensual .... Then it's sex. Way to answer your own question there dumbass.

The idea that an intern can have consensual sex with the big boss is dubious anyway. How can you consent without it being clear it's not a bribe on her part to get ahead or harassment on his part? It seems more the former than the latter in this case, but just being mutual consent would be very difficult to establish in this case.

If Slick had been a Republican, Democrats would suddenly get that and Syndi would parrot how ridiculous the President was to be calling it consensual sex to be blown by an intern

democrats are subject to different standards of right and wrong. I guess its because they are exceedingly stupid.

 

[Redfish]

Through the ACA you can get contraception from your OBGYN.

Until the H. or Rep. votes to repeal Obamacare, or the parts of it which protect women's health. Of course they will keep trying to get the Senate on board with their war on women & children, Obamacare, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and TANF, until they are kicked out by the voters or get the voters to give the R's a majority in the Senate and their guy in the White House.

If that occurs we will be the first Western Democracy to become a full blown Plutocracy.

You are one stupid human being. Dumb as a sack of rat toes.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Ok, lets go slow. If you pay no taxes and pay nothing for your medical care-----------is it free to you?

again, its a yes or no question.

Unless you're a big job creating company like Apple it's impossible to go through life without paying taxes (even if it's just a sales tax when you buy something).

But for the sake of argument, yes, in that case it would be free. Allthough that doesn't matter because the other 99.9999999999% of the population do pay taxes and the government should provide healthcare to everyone. It's simply a human right the way I see it.

We are talking about federal income taxes. Why is that so hard for you libs to comprehend? Obozocare is a federal program funded with federal tax receipts. Since 47% of the population pays no federal income taxes and gets their obozocare policies free: then those people are getting it FREE.

Now, since I pay federal income taxes. I am paying for part of YOUR medical care. Now, explain why that is my responsibility to provide for your medical care.

Your ignorance is on display again.

Everyone who works pays federal payroll and medicare taxes.

Why you do you persist with these debunked false allegations?

 

[Redfish]

Ok, lets go slow. If you pay no taxes and pay nothing for your medical care-----------is it free to you?

again, its a yes or no question.

Unless you're a big job creating company like Apple it's impossible to go through life without paying taxes (even if it's just a sales tax when you buy something).

But for the sake of argument, yes, in that case it would be free. Allthough that doesn't matter because the other 99.9999999999% of the population do pay taxes and the government should provide healthcare to everyone. It's simply a human right the way I see it.

We are talking about federal income taxes. Why is that so hard for you libs to comprehend? Obozocare is a federal program funded with federal tax receipts. Since 47% of the population pays no federal income taxes and gets their obozocare policies free: then those people are getting it FREE.

Now, since I pay federal income taxes. I am paying for part of YOUR medical care. Now, explain why that is my responsibility to provide for your medical care.

Your ignorance is on display again.

Everyone who works pays federal payroll and medicare taxes.

Why you do you persist with these debunked false allegations?

Payroll tax---------a new left wing name for Social security, if you live you will get back more than you pay in

medicare taxes--------if you live to 65 you will get most of your healthcare free or for a very small charge.

Yes, everyone who works pays into these funds. They are NOT federal income tax and they do NOT fund bullshit like planned parenthood or subsidies for obozocare policies..

 

[kaz]

So you care, but not enough to pay for it yourself. Typical liberal

You have no idea whatsoever what I support or don't support.
It's in everyone's interest to track, treat and prevents disease just as roads, bridges and schools are. It's a public good.

You just said you don't want to pay for it, dumb ass, you said you want other people to. The only way that I don't know your position on that is if you don't know your position on that since I was addressing what you said.

And again, a lame liberal who when I object to government wealth redistribution goes to roads and bridges, which are not wealth redistribution. You want roads, kaz? Do you? Well, then you get MARXISM. So shut up.

Yeah, you are content challenged. Address my points on wealth redistribution with wealth redistribution, Holmes, not roads

You are dishonest. I said no such thing.

I quoted you, how stupid are you? You said you are fine with taxpayers paying for PP rather than you

You did not quote me liar.
That is not what I said liar. Misrepresenting the words of posters is just douchey.
I used to think you had decent points, but now I see you are just a hack.

I said I'm fine with public funding of public health. I in no way said I wouldn't donate. I said you can't presume to know who I support or don't.

When I quoted you I used quote marks. This was a paraphrase, so no quote marks. See how that works?

 

[kaz]

This reminds me of the PP hoax, and the Right-Wing Media:

Kinda like in the 90's when liberals said a blow job wasn't sex?

A blowjob is sex? How about licking a tit? Is that sex, too?

So you don't think oral sex is sex? You have never gotten a BJ...

Here is the definition used of sex for Clinton:

"For the purposes of this deposition, a person engages in sexual relations when the person knowingly engages in or causes:

1. Contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person;
2. Contact between any part of the person's body or an object and the genitals or anus of another person; or
3. Contact between the genitals or anus of the person and any part of another person's body.

Contact means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing."

And you don't think Slick didn't engage in that?

Sadly for President Clinton, he's the only man to have ever cheated on his wife; the only man in a position of power to ever be tempted by a younger women, the only man in America, elected to office, who ever cheated on his wife.

Thankfully he wasn't a wrestling coach who fucked one of his students, otherwise the Crazy Right Wing would still be bringing that up decades later. Oh, yeah they do, and they forget to bring up the republican pervert.

Hyperbole anyone? Back to spaceship earth, how many of those people lied under oath?

 

[kiwiman127]

Bring back some form of negative feedback that can balance the scales

Well, you are here and so is the
vigilante clown.

Isn't that enough?

LOW 2 digit IQ is present in this scumbag!... More ranting... please,... you entertain with your HATE of anything moral, ethical and principled!

Oh the irony from probably the biggest hater on USMB.
The only person you are convincing is yourself. Of course it's easy to see why, you are so easily manipulated.

Yes, I look at my ratings for about 16 months of being here (4 months banned included!)and YOUR ratings for being here 4 and 1/2 YEARS longer than I and I'm the biggest hater!!! You are BEYOND stupid! When you liberal scum have NO moral, ethical, or principled platform to stand on, THE PEOPLE of the forum know who tells THE TRUTH, and who the cock suckers that hate America are! Thank you for pointing that out!

Awww, I hurt your feelings?
Your version of the truth is what fits your warped view of the world,which doesn't actually mirror reality.
Secondly Mr, Sewermouth, you are the last person who should criticize someone else's morals.
Regarding the threads subject, I just happen to be pro-life (but pro-choice when rape, incest and mother's life is part of the equation).
I happen to think that PP does a lot of good things, it's too bad they do abortions. Being as abortion is legal, I just have to live with it, even though it goes against my moral principles. And because what they do is legal including providing tissue for research, I see nothing illegal. I only see people basing an argument on exaggeration and questionable info.

 

[auditor0007]

Since they provide cheap to free birth control, they help prevent millions of unwanted pregnancies that would likely become abortions. If you do not understand that, then there is no hope for you.

I am sure you have a link to those claimed facts and figures??

Never mind, I brought planned parenthood's own stats to make a liar out of you.

[Snip]
These numbers show why Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA
®

•
Estimated number of unintended pregnancies averted by Planned Parenthood
contraceptive services each year:
515,000
•
Estimated number of abortions averted by Planned Parenthood contraceptive services each year:
216,000


http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/9313/9611/7194/Planned_Parenthood_By_The_Numbers.pdf

I am glad we agree then. You have just proven that in the past 40 years, Planned Parenthood has averted over 8 million abortions and millions more unwanted pregnancies.

 

[Redfish]

Bring back some form of negative feedback that can balance the scales

Well, you are here and so is the
vigilante clown.

Isn't that enough?

LOW 2 digit IQ is present in this scumbag!... More ranting... please,... you entertain with your HATE of anything moral, ethical and principled!

Oh the irony from probably the biggest hater on USMB.
The only person you are convincing is yourself. Of course it's easy to see why, you are so easily manipulated.

Yes, I look at my ratings for about 16 months of being here (4 months banned included!)and YOUR ratings for being here 4 and 1/2 YEARS longer than I and I'm the biggest hater!!! You are BEYOND stupid! When you liberal scum have NO moral, ethical, or principled platform to stand on, THE PEOPLE of the forum know who tells THE TRUTH, and who the cock suckers that hate America are! Thank you for pointing that out!

Awww, I hurt your feelings?
Your version of the truth is what fits your warped view of the world,which doesn't actually mirror reality.
Secondly Mr, Sewermouth, you are the last person who should criticize someone else's morals.
Regarding the threads subject, I just happen to be pro-life (but pro-choice when rape, incest and mother's life is part of the equation).
I happen to think that PP does a lot of good things, it's too bad they do abortions. Being as abortion is legal, I just have to live with it, even though it goes against my moral principles. And because what they do is legal including providing tissue for research, I see nothing illegal. I only see people basing an argument on exaggeration and questionable info.

Selling body parts is illegal. PP is selling body parts.

 

[bendog]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

I guess my question is why PP collected the fetal tissue in the first place. Romney was clearly in the clown car when he said he's shut it down, but his tea party clown moment came from channeling the RW loser position that the fed govt has no role in making general cancer screenings and reproductive care affordable and accessible. Fetal tissue apparently is useful in medical research, and the theorcrats refusal to facilitate stem cell treatment may be depriving Parkinson's patients from receive life altering therapy, and if one is offended by fetal tissue, the effects of Parkinson's should be offensive as well. But, why'd PP walk into this controversy?

 

[Redfish]

Since they provide cheap to free birth control, they help prevent millions of unwanted pregnancies that would likely become abortions. If you do not understand that, then there is no hope for you.

I am sure you have a link to those claimed facts and figures??

Never mind, I brought planned parenthood's own stats to make a liar out of you.

[Snip]
These numbers show why Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA
®

•
Estimated number of unintended pregnancies averted by Planned Parenthood
contraceptive services each year:
515,000
•
Estimated number of abortions averted by Planned Parenthood contraceptive services each year:
216,000


http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/9313/9611/7194/Planned_Parenthood_By_The_Numbers.pdf

I am glad we agree then. You have just proven that in the past 40 years, Planned Parenthood has averted over 8 million abortions and millions more unwanted pregnancies.

how many unwanted pregnancies did the condom machines in gas station restrooms prevent? You no more know that than you know how many PP prevented.

 

[Synthaholic]

I'm tapped out with the United Way and Wounded Warriors

You're just giving your money to the guy who got them wounded based on lies:

George W. Bush charged wounded vets group $100k for speech

Disgusting. Not a peep about this from the conservative media.

 

[Synthaholic]

So you don't think oral sex is sex?

I'm asking. Is licking a tit sex?

He got a Monica, Holmes, what difference does your question make?

I don't know. You brought it up.

 

[Redfish]

I'm tapped out with the United Way and Wounded Warriors

You're just giving your money to the guy who got them wounded based on lies:

George W. Bush charged wounded vets group $100k for speech

Disgusting. Not a peep about this from the conservative media.

Vets support and respect Bush. There was no lie about WMDs. Saying something that everyone believes to be true is not lying.

 

[Synthaholic]

This reminds me of the PP hoax, and the Right-Wing Media:

Kinda like in the 90's when liberals said a blow job wasn't sex?

A blowjob is sex? How about licking a tit? Is that sex, too?

Sexual harrassment?

How is it harassment when it's consensual?

It's amusing how conservatives desperately are trying to change the subject from the failed PP hoax to Bill and Monica's consensual relationship.

Well if it's consensual .... Then it's sex. Way to answer your own question there dumbass.

No, it's a consensual relationship. Who said it was sex?

If you and I decide to meet for a round of golf, that's also a consensual relationship. It's a golfing relationship. No one is forcing you to meet me.

 

[auditor0007]

Most objections to PP are over their abortion services without understanding that they prevent more abortions than provide.

still waiting for you to prove that claim.

Since they provide cheap to free birth control, they help prevent millions of unwanted pregnancies that would likely become abortions. If you do not understand that, then there is no hope for you.

Isn't BIRTH CONTROL demanded and mandatory with ObumaCare? No longer need the PARTS FOR PROFIT, Planned Parenthood, that soaks up 1/2 BILLION a year from taxpayers!

1/2 a billion to provide all types of medical services to women at reduced costs to taxpayers. And that does not include abortions, because abortions cannot be funded with taxpayer dollars. You clowns crack me up crying over 1/2 a billion dollars per year for a program that actually does a tremendous amount of good.

And do you thank the people actually paying for that or kick us in the teeth and tell us we deserve that and more? We both know the answer to that, don't we?

I would gladly thank you if you weren't trying to defund it. What is ironic is that cons never look at the cost of defunding Planned Parenthood. In the long run we would end up with millions more on the dole for who knows how many years. I am pretty certain it would make that 1/2 billion per year look like peanuts. As much as you folks think you can tell women just to keep their legs crossed, it's not going to happen.

 

[auditor0007]

A " significant majority" is too ignorant to understand that PP prevents more abortions than it performs.

Um...how do you figure that?

Most objections to PP are over their abortion services without understanding that they prevent more abortions than provide.

still waiting for you to prove that claim.

Since they provide cheap to free birth control, they help prevent millions of unwanted pregnancies that would likely become abortions. If you do not understand that, then there is no hope for you.

Yet you don't care enough to spend your money on that, so you're not really committed to that cause in any way, are you? As long as someone does something with someone else's money, yeah, you're for that

I pay my taxes just like you do.