Please will someone who opposes the building of the "Wall" on the southern border explain why?

[dblack]

Because it could eventually be used to keep us in, a-la East Berlin.

Before the usual suspects chortle at this possibility, I'm reminded of all the Bushbots who poo-poo-ed the warnings that provisions of the Patriot Act, NSA spying, and the idiotic FISA "court" could be abused as political weapons.

If you want immigrants who come here not to be burdens upon the system, better that you finally pare back the socialistic welfare state like you've been promising to do for decades.

This wins the whole fucking board in my opinion.

Free nations don't build walls. They build bridges.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Build the fucking thing, if it's so damned important to you. Trump has decimated the number of refugees he is admitting to the country during the worst worldwide refugee crisis this planet has ever experienced. Now he wants a 30 foot high wall across our southern border to keep the boogey man out. Sounds like a coward to me.

/----/ Why doesn't Mexico take all of the refugees?

 

[August West]

I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

View attachment 218407

A while back an illegal was found in Pittsburgh and deported for the fourth time. When asked how he kept getting across the border he said he used forged documents which makes your silly wall irrelevant. If we really need to waste $135 billion let`s just give it to the pentagon. They`ll make it disappear and no questions will be asked.

 

[Windparadox]

This wins the whole fucking board in my opinion.Free nations don't build walls. They build bridges.

`
Tell that to the Europeans, especially Germany - Migrants in Europe Linked To Soaring Violence and Crime in Germany, Study Finds

 

[healthmyths]

I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

View attachment 218407

Colossal waste of money that will have little effect on illegal immigration, and a large effect on wildlife and our relationship with central and south America.

It is truly comical hearing Dims talk about a colossal waste of money.

In fact, the only time you hear it is when the US is building up their military or trying to build a border wall. Anything for the protection of the US is a colossal waste of money it seems. Everything else, like studying the mating rituals of the wart hog, not so much.

You forgot about Prisons.....part of the GOP triad they are willing to spend on

Wars, a border wall and more prisons

Ask for money to help Americans and they swear poverty

You wrote: "Ask for money to help Americans and they swear poverty"

War on Poverty since instituted in 1965...
The War on Poverty is the unofficial name for legislation first introduced by United States President Lyndon B. Johnson during his State of the Union address on Wednesday, January 8, 1964. This legislation was proposed by Johnson in response to a national poverty rate of around nineteen percent. 19%.
With population of 194,300,000 that would be about 37 million people.

A 2013 study published by Columbia University asserts the poverty rate of 16%. or 50,592,000

In the 50 years since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs
The War on Poverty After 50 Years

So let's see from 1965 to 2012 or 47 years an average of $320 billion a year spent on war on poverty

So these people get:
=== $ 5,666 in Earned Income Credit i.e. a check from Uncle Sam instead of paying they get a check!!!
Tax Foundation
=== $12,000 free housing , Section 8 will pay up to $1,000/month www.affordablehousingonline.com/section8housing.asp
=== $ 2,400 free food,
=== $ 1,200 in free cell phone plus :http://www.adttel.com/?gclid=CLex4IamjKQCFY5a7AodrCHlHw
=== $ 5,000 a year in free health care from Medicaid.
So this is about $26,000 a year in FREE MONEY, free goods and free services...

it cost $75.7 billion in 2011 compared to $35 billion in 2008; and enrollment has hit an all-time high of 46.7 million recipients.
Meanwhile, the number of children receiving free school lunches has inflated from 18 to 21 million — an unprecedented jump —
about 2.1 million households (6 million) use Section 8 the Housing Choice Voucher program
Stock Quotes, Business News and Data from Stock Markets | MSN Money

 

[JWBooth]

Because it could eventually be used to keep us in, a-la East Berlin.

Before the usual suspects chortle at this possibility, I'm reminded of all the Bushbots who poo-poo-ed the warnings that provisions of the Patriot Act, NSA spying, and the idiotic FISA "court" could be abused as political weapons.

If you want immigrants who come here not to be burdens upon the system, better that you finally pare back the socialistic welfare state like you've been promising to do for decades.

THIS!
In addition it will be one of the great seizures of private property in the history of this country.
The US foreign policy of involving itself in Central and South America, disrupting or overthrowing existing regimes, installing new ones, supporting autocrats creates a large part of the problem. Mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Build the fucking thing, if it's so damned important to you. Trump has decimated the number of refugees he is admitting to the country during the worst worldwide refugee crisis this planet has ever experienced. Now he wants a 30 foot high wall across our southern border to keep the boogey man out. Sounds like a coward to me.

Why do refugees have to come here? Russia has plenty of room in Siberia.

 

[healthmyths]

I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

View attachment 218407

A while back an illegal was found in Pittsburgh and deported for the fourth time. When asked how he kept getting across the border he said he used forged documents which makes your silly wall irrelevant. If we really need to waste $135 billion let`s just give it to the pentagon. They`ll make it disappear and no questions will be asked.

Three words: Posse Comitatus Act

 

[JWBooth]

This wins the whole fucking board in my opinion.Free nations don't build walls. They build bridges.

`
Tell that to the Europeans, especially Germany - Migrants in Europe Linked To Soaring Violence and Crime in Germany, Study Finds

The European problem is a direct result of their government's policies of importing people displaced by the destruction of their countries by NATO. Knock off the imperial BS and the problem goes away.

 

[JWBooth]

Build the fucking thing, if it's so damned important to you. Trump has decimated the number of refugees he is admitting to the country during the worst worldwide refugee crisis this planet has ever experienced. Now he wants a 30 foot high wall across our southern border to keep the boogey man out. Sounds like a coward to me.

Why do refugees have to come here? Russia has plenty of room in Siberia.

The Russians haven't created the problem and have no reason to import it.

 

[healthmyths]

Because it could eventually be used to keep us in, a-la East Berlin.

Before the usual suspects chortle at this possibility, I'm reminded of all the Bushbots who poo-poo-ed the warnings that provisions of the Patriot Act, NSA spying, and the idiotic FISA "court" could be abused as political weapons.

If you want immigrants who come here not to be burdens upon the system, better that you finally pare back the socialistic welfare state like you've been promising to do for decades.

This wins the whole fucking board in my opinion.

Free nations don't build walls. They build bridges.

OK... so do you agree to tear down YOUR walls that are built around homes maybe your home and I'm 100% confident there are homes in your town like this to tear them down?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Well probably because
A) the above illustrations came when the country was growing both economically and demographically.
B) Also at that time we didn't spend $135 billion a year on "illegal immigrants' well being!

Makes a big difference I would think but again people commenting without any rational factual arguments such as you have done is the biggest problem.
Maybe you should provide statistics that back up your claims???

Which claims were those?

"people today so frickin bent out of shape about brown people?"
Where is your PROOF people are bent out of shape about the color of peoples' skin?

I along with 90+ million people either "LEGAL" immigrants or like Trump and myself have "LEGAL" immigrants as relatives are grossly offended by idiots who
use the term "anti-immigrants" BECAUSE as you pointed out people from Europe like Trump's grandmother were chastised and berated originally BUT they were "LEGAL"!
It is truly stupid for people to assume that people like Trump, me and 90+ million want a wall to keep out "immigrants"!

It is the simple fact that these are illegal activities by mostly uninformed people sad to say that don't understand they are breaking the law the first steps into the country.

Trump has drastically cut the # of refugees that will be accepted. They're not "illegal" and we have a worldwide crisis of displaced people right now that the other nations of the world are struggling with while we make pussy noises and say we're scared of tewowists or we can't afford to give them $150 a month in food stamps.

For example... this is a great article if you take the time to read it, btw:

in response to the world’s highest number of forcibly displaced persons since World War II, the administration in late September set the lowest refugee resettlement ceiling in this storied program’s history. It has also “paused” admissions from 11 nations that have accounted in recent years for the majority of refugees to the United States, making it unlikely that it will be able to reach even this low ceiling. The Department of State (DOS) has advised refugee resettlement agencies to prepare to close dozens of their resettlement offices, dismantling the infrastructure that receives and helps to integrate refugees.

On November 9th, DOS announced that it would not accept new applications for the Central American Minors (CAM) program, which allowed refugee children from El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala to join their lawfully present parents in the United States. Such children – in peril at home – can no longer migrate through safe, orderly and legal channels to the United States.

In early October, the administration released a statement of its immigration principles and policies that called for expanded expedited removals, including of asylum-seekers. Meanwhile, select border officials – who are sworn to uphold the law — routinely and illegally turn away asylum-seekers at the US-Mexico border, telling them that the nation is “full,” or that it only accepts Christian asylum claims, or that it does not admit persons from El Salvador, Guatemala or Honduras because these violence-torn countries are not at war, or that it no longer takes in families with children
The Besieged US Refugee Protection System: Why Temporary Protected Status Matters | HuffPost

Report: Children of Refugees Get More Benefits Than Poor US Kids

Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

I was providing "proof" that brown people are being closed out. Trump asked, why can't we take more immigrants from Norway? Why these (African) shitholes instead? Look at their skin color.

Yea, forgot about that part.....the Racist Democrats are on mission to displace White Voters because they regard them to be their opposition

 

[healthmyths]

Because it could eventually be used to keep us in, a-la East Berlin.

Before the usual suspects chortle at this possibility, I'm reminded of all the Bushbots who poo-poo-ed the warnings that provisions of the Patriot Act, NSA spying, and the idiotic FISA "court" could be abused as political weapons.

If you want immigrants who come here not to be burdens upon the system, better that you finally pare back the socialistic welfare state like you've been promising to do for decades.

THIS!
In addition it will be one of the great seizures of private property in the history of this country.
The US foreign policy of involving itself in Central and South America, disrupting or overthrowing existing regimes, installing new ones, supporting autocrats creates a large part of the problem. Mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself.

PROVE it! Where are your links? Why do people like you spout your crap but NEVER prove it with links that I can follow and believe because until then...
YOU are a 1st class BLELLUM

 

[Darkwind]

Same bullshit, different century.

Some anti-European immigrant cartoons from over a century ago:

The sign reads: Imported, Duty Free, by Trust, Monopoly & Co. to compete with American Labor.

The caption reads: Results of Encouraging Emigration. Paupers, Vagabonds, Murderers and other of the European and Asiatic Scum Refused Admission Elsewhere, Are Readily Landed Here."

"Results of Encouraging Emigration". Exactly the same rhetoric we hear today!






Here is some anti-Italian immigrant propaganda. Note "The Way to Dispose of Them".

Here is an anti-Irish immigrant cartoon.

Didn't I read that a lot of the objection to these immigrants at the time was cyclical economic recessions? Americans were competing for jobs? So why, with our economy the best in history (according to Trump) are people today so frickin bent out of shape about brown people? I don't get it.

Well probably because
A) the above illustrations came when the country was growing both economically and demographically.
B) Also at that time we didn't spend $135 billion a year on "illegal immigrants' well being!

Makes a big difference I would think but again people commenting without any rational factual arguments such as you have done is the biggest problem.
Maybe you should provide statistics that back up your claims???

Which claims were those?

"people today so frickin bent out of shape about brown people?"
Where is your PROOF people are bent out of shape about the color of peoples' skin?

I along with 90+ million people either "LEGAL" immigrants or like Trump and myself have "LEGAL" immigrants as relatives are grossly offended by idiots who
use the term "anti-immigrants" BECAUSE as you pointed out people from Europe like Trump's grandmother were chastised and berated originally BUT they were "LEGAL"!
It is truly stupid for people to assume that people like Trump, me and 90+ million want a wall to keep out "immigrants"!

It is the simple fact that these are illegal activities by mostly uninformed people sad to say that don't understand they are breaking the law the first steps into the country.

Trump has drastically cut the # of refugees that will be accepted. They're not "illegal" and we have a worldwide crisis of displaced people right now that the other nations of the world are struggling with while we make pussy noises and say we're scared of tewowists or we can't afford to give them $150 a month in food stamps.

For example... this is a great article if you take the time to read it, btw:

in response to the world’s highest number of forcibly displaced persons since World War II, the administration in late September set the lowest refugee resettlement ceiling in this storied program’s history. It has also “paused” admissions from 11 nations that have accounted in recent years for the majority of refugees to the United States, making it unlikely that it will be able to reach even this low ceiling. The Department of State (DOS) has advised refugee resettlement agencies to prepare to close dozens of their resettlement offices, dismantling the infrastructure that receives and helps to integrate refugees.

On November 9th, DOS announced that it would not accept new applications for the Central American Minors (CAM) program, which allowed refugee children from El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala to join their lawfully present parents in the United States. Such children – in peril at home – can no longer migrate through safe, orderly and legal channels to the United States.

In early October, the administration released a statement of its immigration principles and policies that called for expanded expedited removals, including of asylum-seekers. Meanwhile, select border officials – who are sworn to uphold the law — routinely and illegally turn away asylum-seekers at the US-Mexico border, telling them that the nation is “full,” or that it only accepts Christian asylum claims, or that it does not admit persons from El Salvador, Guatemala or Honduras because these violence-torn countries are not at war, or that it no longer takes in families with children
The Besieged US Refugee Protection System: Why Temporary Protected Status Matters | HuffPost

Let Me be succinct.

Fuck them.

Let the world deal with it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Same bullshit, different century.

Some anti-European immigrant cartoons from over a century ago:

The sign reads: Imported, Duty Free, by Trust, Monopoly & Co. to compete with American Labor.

The caption reads: Results of Encouraging Emigration. Paupers, Vagabonds, Murderers and other of the European and Asiatic Scum Refused Admission Elsewhere, Are Readily Landed Here."

"Results of Encouraging Emigration". Exactly the same rhetoric we hear today!






Here is some anti-Italian immigrant propaganda. Note "The Way to Dispose of Them".

Here is an anti-Irish immigrant cartoon.

Didn't I read that a lot of the objection to these immigrants at the time was cyclical economic recessions? Americans were competing for jobs? So why, with our economy the best in history (according to Trump) are people today so frickin bent out of shape about brown people? I don't get it.

Ever call 10 phone numbers and hear "Bueno!" as the greeting in about 7 of them because no one in the entire household can hold a conversation in English?

Last night, I called Las Vegas, NV. The woman who answered the phone, did not speak English, I asked for the person I was calling, but she she told me (in Spanish) to wait. She then went to get someone to speak to me. That male did not understand English either and did not seem to understand who I was calling. Finally, I got what sounded like a little girl on the phone, who spoke perfect English. When I asked to speak to the person I was calling, she told me they were not home.

How bad is your English language skills that you don't even recognize the name of your own child? I am betting Mom is an illegal, Dad is an illegal, the kid I was calling is a "Dreamer" and the little girl was an anchor baby.

 

[bodecea]

I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

View attachment 218407

Go ahead and build the wall using donations from those who want the wall built. Set up a GoFundMe account. I'm sure it's popular enough to get what is needed, right?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

NO BORDERS! NO WALL! SANCTUARY FOR ALL!

ABOLISH ICE! ABOLISH ICE! ABOLISH ICE! ABOLISH ICE! ABOLISH ICE! ABOLISH ICE! ABOLISH ICE! ABOLISH ICE! ABOLISH ICE!

You must like warm beverages.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

View attachment 218407

Go ahead and build the wall using donations from those who want the wall built. Set up a GoFundMe account. I'm sure it's popular enough to get what is needed, right?

That would be great, and we'll do that right after you set up a GoFundMe account to pay for all the benefits being sucked up by illegals and stop using my tax dollars for that purpose.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

A 2,000 mile wall.

Get real.

Sounds good to me!

It's cheaper than 22 million deportations isn't it?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It won't work. It's a waste of money. It's antithetical to the idea of America.

The Border Patrol disagrees because you are an idiot.