Police State: City Shuts Down Hot Dog Stand Boy Opened To Help Disabled Parents...

[bodecea]

People want their cities zoned. That's why they vote for it. People who don't like it, either put up with it or move to rural areas where they don't have it, or have as much of it.

You have no solutions to the 'problems' you complain about.

He never does. And he is selective in his complaints....

You Goose Steppers are a hoot. Maybe it's time for a little Big Brother Eminent Domain action huh? I bet you Goose Steppers are wetting your panties with excitement over just the thought. If this is justice, our Nation is dead.

What do you mean by "goose steppers"?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Such a big heart ole Big Brother has, huh?


This summer, 13-year-old Nathan Duszynski wanted to make some money to help out his disabled parents—his mom has epilepsy and his dad has multiple sclerosis. So he decided to open a hot dog stand. He saved $1,200, mostly money made by mowing lawns and shoveling snow. He checked with the city to make sure he didn't need any licenses or permits, even going to city hall in person with his mom. And then he bought a cart. (Yep, that's hot dogs from Nathan's, for those who are keeping score at home.)

He arrived to set up shop on his first day and 10 minutes later, a zoning official arrived to shut him down. The problem: The cart, which is in the parking lot of a sporting goods store, is on the edge of official downtown commercial district of Holland, Michigan. The city bans food carts in that area in order to minimize competition for the eight tax-paying restaurants a couple of blocks away.

As it happens, I've been to Holland. It's a lovely town, but not exactly a booming metropolis. And frankly (ha!), after an evening of Blue Motorcycles Butch's Dry Dock, a hot dog would really have hit the spot. The city says it is willing to work with Nathan, but keeping food carts out of the small, walkable downtown area is pretty much the same thing as banning food carts altogether. Nathan and his family obviously know that: The hot dog cart is now for sale.

The Mackinac Center has made a nice little video about the ridiculous story:

City Shuts Down Teen's Hot Dog Vendor Cart! - YouTube

Hey....did you hear that the famous Nathan's Hot Dogs were found to have saw-dust in 'em...

...Yup: they're havin' a tough time makin' both ends meet.

 

[NYcarbineer]

People want their cities zoned. That's why they vote for it. People who don't like it, either put up with it or move to rural areas where they don't have it, or have as much of it.

You have no solutions to the 'problems' you complain about.

He never does. And he is selective in his complaints....

You Goose Steppers are a hoot. Maybe it's time for a little Big Brother Eminent Domain action huh? I bet you Goose Steppers are wetting your panties with excitement over just the thought. If this is justice, our Nation is dead.

There's no need to turn into an asshole every time someone disagrees with you and points out the cavernous holes in your arguments.

You Libertarian types, real or fake, are all pretty much the same. What you're really complaining about is that the democratic system won't make things exactly the way you want them to be.

boo hoo.

 

[flacaltenn]

Here's an idea, why doesn't Big Brother just leave this kid alone? For that matter, why doesn't he just leave the American People alone? I know this is a radical & subversive idea, but what the hell, why not give it a shot Big Brother?

You either have to get the People to vote out zoning, and the laws, regulations, etc., that go with it,

or, you have to force them to give it up by some other means.

What's your choice?

Don't really think we NEED a vote -- DO WE? You know anyone other than restaurant owners and big chains that wants their city councils used to grant MONOPOLY priveleges?

I don't care how prim and proper the citizens fancy their commercial space to be.. I don't know WHERE a vote would be neccessary to grant an exclusive 20 yr deal to a Steak House or to prevent Costco from selling caskets. MOST of these business restrictions are pure graft and cronyism.. Must be the type of graft and cronyism that leftists like you adore? Or did you just over-react a little just to be able to assault a libertarian type?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here's an idea, why doesn't Big Brother just leave this kid alone? For that matter, why doesn't he just leave the American People alone? I know this is a radical & subversive idea, but what the hell, why not give it a shot Big Brother?

You either have to get the People to vote out zoning, and the laws, regulations, etc., that go with it,

or, you have to force them to give it up by some other means.

What's your choice?

Don't really think we NEED a vote -- DO WE? You know anyone other than restaurant owners and big chains that wants their city councils used to grant MONOPOLY priveleges?

I don't care how prim and proper the citizens fancy their commercial space to be.. I don't know WHERE a vote would be neccessary to grant an exclusive 20 yr deal to a Steak House or to prevent Costco from selling caskets. MOST of these business restrictions are pure graft and cronyism.. Must be the type of graft and cronyism that leftists like you adore? Or did you just over-react a little just to be able to assault a libertarian type?

The people you're referring to, doing the zoning, were ELECTED. Maybe the restaurant owners were big campaign donors;

maybe the free speech power of their money, a cherished conservative principle, got them the no-carts deal.

 

[flacaltenn]

You either have to get the People to vote out zoning, and the laws, regulations, etc., that go with it,

or, you have to force them to give it up by some other means.

What's your choice?

Don't really think we NEED a vote -- DO WE? You know anyone other than restaurant owners and big chains that wants their city councils used to grant MONOPOLY priveleges?

I don't care how prim and proper the citizens fancy their commercial space to be.. I don't know WHERE a vote would be neccessary to grant an exclusive 20 yr deal to a Steak House or to prevent Costco from selling caskets. MOST of these business restrictions are pure graft and cronyism.. Must be the type of graft and cronyism that leftists like you adore? Or did you just over-react a little just to be able to assault a libertarian type?

The people you're referring to, doing the zoning, were ELECTED. Maybe the restaurant owners were big campaign donors;

maybe the free speech power of their money, a cherished conservative principle, got them the no-carts deal.

Oh -- so you're only concerned about the graft and gratuities if they are couched in your dogma.. Got news for you -- the campaign money occurred BECAUSE city councils do this crap.. You get the CAUSE of the corruption exactly backwards. NO ONE would invest large sums in a Libertarian city council person who was NEVER gonna use that power to dole out favors..

Remember that the next time you hit on Libertarians --- willl ya? They don't do that crap and campaign money is not the problem --- PRINCIPLES are..

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yes or no question, did the city tell him there was no need for him to get a permit from the city to run the cart?

There's no indication that the city told him he didn't need a permit. And common sense indicates that by referring him to the county, they were acknowledging and affirming the need for the permit.

Seriously, you can't really be trying to argue this. If you go to City Hall asking for a driver's license, and they refer you to the state DPS building, you really mean to take that as the city telling you that you don't actually need a license? You really think that would fly when a city cop pulls you over and arrests you for driving w/o a license?

There is no evidence? There exist at least five separate news reports, all written by different people, that quote both the family, and the city, both saying they were told that they do not need a city permit. If that is not evidence what the fuck is it?

Seriously, if you go to city hall and ask if you need a driver's license from them, and they say no, you have to get it from DPS, does that mean that they can come back later and claim you need a driver's license from them?

 

[buckeye45_73]

He never does. And he is selective in his complaints....

You Goose Steppers are a hoot. Maybe it's time for a little Big Brother Eminent Domain action huh? I bet you Goose Steppers are wetting your panties with excitement over just the thought. If this is justice, our Nation is dead.

What do you mean by "goose steppers"?

Wow, ignorace is bliss is it not, I think he means Nazi, goose stepping is how they march.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What part of they were sent to Ottawa County for the permit do you need explained to you?

Yes or no question, did the city tell him there was no need for him to get a permit from the city to run the cart?

Why, exactly, are you being an asshole? The permitting for having a cart IN THE CITY was transferred to the county offices.

YES they told him he needed a permit to operate in the city.

YES they told him to go to the county to get the permit.

YOU had the information WRONG while you were blathering on about it. End of story.

What am I asking?

Yes or no question, did the city tell him there was no need for him to get a permit from the city to run the cart?

Just pointing out the obvious here, telling them they need to get a county permit is not telling them they need a city permit.

Since you have been asked the question more than once, and keep insisting that they were told to get a county permit, I am going to presume that your actual answer to my question about the city permit is no. If I don't you are probably going to come back and insist they had to get a county permit again, which is actually pertinent only if they did not get the county permit.

That makes your claim that the people who said the city told him he did not need a permit from them are lying a lie.

As for why I am being an asshole, I actually enjoy it, and it ended up proving you lied.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Our Government only stands in the way of small business entrepreneurs these days. They make it so difficult for someone to get started. Big Brother needs to get off the Peoples' backs. Enough is enough.

You don't seem to get what the problem is here. Local governments are democratically elected. If a majority of your city council, composed of the people your city elected, vote to restrict food carts,

that's what's going to happen. If that majority rule is creating an unacceptable suppression of the rights of a minority,

then, you need a bigger government, with authority over the city, to take action on behalf of that minority.

But people like yourself don't want the larger government interfering with the 'sovereignty' of the smaller governmental entities.

So this is what you get. It was Madison who argued that the smaller and more localized governmental power became, the easier it was for a majority to oppress a minority.

You started out good, then you assumed the only possible solution is more government. The problem with that is that, once you reach the federal level, and the government decides to oppress the minority, the minority has no fracking option expect to be oppressed. That is why it makes more sense to prevent this type of thing at the local level, and not give a bigger government more power to oppress people.

 

[buckeye45_73]

You either have to get the People to vote out zoning, and the laws, regulations, etc., that go with it,

or, you have to force them to give it up by some other means.

What's your choice?

Don't really think we NEED a vote -- DO WE? You know anyone other than restaurant owners and big chains that wants their city councils used to grant MONOPOLY priveleges?

I don't care how prim and proper the citizens fancy their commercial space to be.. I don't know WHERE a vote would be neccessary to grant an exclusive 20 yr deal to a Steak House or to prevent Costco from selling caskets. MOST of these business restrictions are pure graft and cronyism.. Must be the type of graft and cronyism that leftists like you adore? Or did you just over-react a little just to be able to assault a libertarian type?

The people you're referring to, doing the zoning, were ELECTED. Maybe the restaurant owners were big campaign donors;

maybe the free speech power of their money, a cherished conservative principle, got them the no-carts deal.

OK first of all, knowing how stupid you are, I know you wont understand.
See zoning laws are INTENDED for REAL businesses, not some kid doing yardwork, or a lemonade stand. Most people dont have to have it written in a legal matter, becasue we just kind of understand that. People who do need it in writing are pricks....and I dont care if they're republican or democrat. In fact run on keeping those lemonade stands down, I promise you politicians will be running from that position, because it means you're an asshole who has no soul. So while you think democrats are perfect and can do no wrong, they can and so can republicans......DUH DUH DUUUUUH
So the point is why are the commissioners worried about this? How about we make a rule, if you're under 18 you dont need a perment, sound fair?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why is this about "a kid"? Isn't justice supposed to be blind? Is the law supposed to look the other way when it's "a kid"? For some reason, I suspect you would NOT be all up in arms if this was some 30 year old man with no tear jerker back story.

This ain't justice. And if you think i wouldn't be up in arms over that, you just haven't been paying attention.

Following zoning laws "ain't justice"? Since when?

I suspect that happened way back when zoning laws prohibited black people from moving into white neighborhoods. Feel free to jump in and tell me that was just, if you can.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why is this about "a kid"? Isn't justice supposed to be blind? Is the law supposed to look the other way when it's "a kid"? For some reason, I suspect you would NOT be all up in arms if this was some 30 year old man with no tear jerker back story.

This ain't justice. And if you think i wouldn't be up in arms over that, you just haven't been paying attention.

People want their cities zoned. That's why they vote for it. People who don't like it, either put up with it or move to rural areas where they don't have it, or have as much of it.

You have no solutions to the 'problems' you complain about.

If it were that simple I know a lot of people that would not have to put up with zoning laws. Ever here of urban sprawl?

 

[buckeye45_73]

It's amazing to me that liberals who always want to "help" the disadvantaged, but only through the government, if any kid gets in the way and does it on his own, they feel threatened and liberals argue about the zoning laws. HE's 13 WHO FUCKING CARES. liberals are ok with 13 year olds killing people and getting no time in jail, yet they want to hassle a 13 year old about selling hotdogs, libtards never cease to amaze.

 

[Againsheila]

Such a big heart ole Big Brother has, huh?


This summer, 13-year-old Nathan Duszynski wanted to make some money to help out his disabled parents—his mom has epilepsy and his dad has multiple sclerosis. So he decided to open a hot dog stand. He saved $1,200, mostly money made by mowing lawns and shoveling snow. He checked with the city to make sure he didn't need any licenses or permits, even going to city hall in person with his mom. And then he bought a cart. (Yep, that's hot dogs from Nathan's, for those who are keeping score at home.)

He arrived to set up shop on his first day and 10 minutes later, a zoning official arrived to shut him down. The problem: The cart, which is in the parking lot of a sporting goods store, is on the edge of official downtown commercial district of Holland, Michigan. The city bans food carts in that area in order to minimize competition for the eight tax-paying restaurants a couple of blocks away.

As it happens, I've been to Holland. It's a lovely town, but not exactly a booming metropolis. And frankly (ha!), after an evening of Blue Motorcycles Butch's Dry Dock, a hot dog would really have hit the spot. The city says it is willing to work with Nathan, but keeping food carts out of the small, walkable downtown area is pretty much the same thing as banning food carts altogether. Nathan and his family obviously know that: The hot dog cart is now for sale.

The Mackinac Center has made a nice little video about the ridiculous story:

City Shuts Down Teen's Hot Dog Vendor Cart! - YouTube

He should sue the city for the cost of his time and his hot dog stand and lost revenue. He checked with them first and they gave him the wrong answer.

 

[buckeye45_73]

This ain't justice. And if you think i wouldn't be up in arms over that, you just haven't been paying attention.

People want their cities zoned. That's why they vote for it. People who don't like it, either put up with it or move to rural areas where they don't have it, or have as much of it.

You have no solutions to the 'problems' you complain about.

If it were that simple I know a lot of people that would not have to put up with zoning laws. Ever here of urban sprawl?

I have no problem with zoning laws, strip clubs should not be next to schools for example, infact they should go back to red light districts, that way the perverts could have their own little Amersterdam in each city and let the rest of us not have to see that shit.

 

[buckeye45_73]

This ain't justice. And if you think i wouldn't be up in arms over that, you just haven't been paying attention.

Following zoning laws "ain't justice"? Since when?

I suspect that happened way back when zoning laws prohibited black people from moving into white neighborhoods. Feel free to jump in and tell me that was just, if you can.

And you dont have to go that far back, look at what you see in the inner cities, you dont see a ton of strip clubs, gun shops, porn stores, liquor stores in suburbia (and I think that's good)

 

[NYcarbineer]

Don't really think we NEED a vote -- DO WE? You know anyone other than restaurant owners and big chains that wants their city councils used to grant MONOPOLY priveleges?

I don't care how prim and proper the citizens fancy their commercial space to be.. I don't know WHERE a vote would be neccessary to grant an exclusive 20 yr deal to a Steak House or to prevent Costco from selling caskets. MOST of these business restrictions are pure graft and cronyism.. Must be the type of graft and cronyism that leftists like you adore? Or did you just over-react a little just to be able to assault a libertarian type?

The people you're referring to, doing the zoning, were ELECTED. Maybe the restaurant owners were big campaign donors;

maybe the free speech power of their money, a cherished conservative principle, got them the no-carts deal.

OK first of all, knowing how stupid you are, I know you wont understand.
See zoning laws are INTENDED for REAL businesses, not some kid doing yardwork, or a lemonade stand. Most people dont have to have it written in a legal matter, becasue we just kind of understand that. People who do need it in writing are pricks....and I dont care if they're republican or democrat. In fact run on keeping those lemonade stands down, I promise you politicians will be running from that position, because it means you're an asshole who has no soul. So while you think democrats are perfect and can do no wrong, they can and so can republicans......DUH DUH DUUUUUH
So the point is why are the commissioners worried about this? How about we make a rule, if you're under 18 you dont need a perment, sound fair?

You apparently, and not surprisingly, don't know that food carts are real food service businesses.

Keep it up. lol

 

[NYcarbineer]

Such a big heart ole Big Brother has, huh?


This summer, 13-year-old Nathan Duszynski wanted to make some money to help out his disabled parents—his mom has epilepsy and his dad has multiple sclerosis. So he decided to open a hot dog stand. He saved $1,200, mostly money made by mowing lawns and shoveling snow. He checked with the city to make sure he didn't need any licenses or permits, even going to city hall in person with his mom. And then he bought a cart. (Yep, that's hot dogs from Nathan's, for those who are keeping score at home.)

He arrived to set up shop on his first day and 10 minutes later, a zoning official arrived to shut him down. The problem: The cart, which is in the parking lot of a sporting goods store, is on the edge of official downtown commercial district of Holland, Michigan. The city bans food carts in that area in order to minimize competition for the eight tax-paying restaurants a couple of blocks away.

As it happens, I've been to Holland. It's a lovely town, but not exactly a booming metropolis. And frankly (ha!), after an evening of Blue Motorcycles Butch's Dry Dock, a hot dog would really have hit the spot. The city says it is willing to work with Nathan, but keeping food carts out of the small, walkable downtown area is pretty much the same thing as banning food carts altogether. Nathan and his family obviously know that: The hot dog cart is now for sale.

The Mackinac Center has made a nice little video about the ridiculous story:

City Shuts Down Teen's Hot Dog Vendor Cart! - YouTube

He should sue the city for the cost of his time and his hot dog stand and lost revenue. He checked with them first and they gave him the wrong answer.

Your lack of understanding of the facts of the case is comical.

 

[uscitizen]

Here's an idea, why doesn't Big Brother just leave this kid alone? For that matter, why doesn't he just leave the American People alone? I know this is a radical & subversive idea, but what the hell, why not give it a shot Big Brother?

so you support selective enforcement of laws/rules?