Politics, MAGA and Evangelicals

If you're one of the many (like me) who thinks that much of America's Christian population has sold its soul to a con man, here's a really interesting interview -- and one really fascinating point.

Tim Alberta is a devout Christian who has been so troubled by this that he has written a book on the topic. The interview is almost 36 minutes, but there is one moment where I think he makes a very interesting (and even fair, kind of) point. This doesn't absolve the obvious dishonesty and rank hypocrisy that we see, but at least it explains it in a way:

At 11:46: "For a lot of these people who are panicked, who are just stricken with fear about the culture changing so quickly and the country turning on Christianity, and that their faith is in the crosshairs and one day they're going to be persecuted for their faith in this country -- a lot of folks believe that -- they think the barbarians are at the gates, and so they need a barbarian to defend them. To protect them.

"And so, they look at Trump, and the behavior and the rhetoric, and in some sense, because he is not bound by biblical teachings, not bound by biblical virtues, he is free to fight for them in ways that no good Christian ever would".

Holy crap, that's interesting. MAGA followers by and large and not very good at articulating their reasoning, and he does a very good job here. Again, it doesn't explain away many of the behaviors, but at least there is some reasoning here to grab on to.


Yep. Fear. The fear machines of the major parties are very effective.
 
No, we have seen the demonization of gays by Conservatives
That has involved lies, misinformation and scare tactics

Most people who encounter gays come away with the realization…..they are not that bad
Blah blah blah. Your side pushes Gay agenda to divide people same as Race.

Your side Yells im Gaybl and Im proud. We say Good for you now STFU.

When you pushed this crap into schools. We pushed back.
 
Has it ever occurred to you that if all these people in Washington were "sensible people," that the entire country wouldn't be so totally fucked up?

Has it occurred to you that everytime a DC politician is caught with massive corruption and incompetence yet nothing is ever done to them is because all the other people are massively corrupt and incompetent too?

Has it ever occurred to you that corrupt people like other people around them to be corrupt too? Trump doesn't fit in because he isn't massively corrupt. Honest people tend to blow the whistle on cheaters, liars and thieves.
Has it occurred to you the people have the power to end corruption?
 
First section is all you need to know there was no evidence of the collusion of the trump team and the Russians.
It has been asserted hundreds of times by occupants of Trumpworld........the collusion hoax. It comes up in all manner of contexts. Most recently as a way to dismiss the 1/6 committee's work. Let's see what the facts say.

Manafort conspired with Kilimnik to give the Kremlin internal polling data. US says Russia was given Trump campaign polling data in 2016
Polling data that could have been useful for Putin in targeting Americans with the social media campaign he used to help Don get elected.
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Russian fake accounts showed posts to 126 million Facebook users
Executives from Facebook, Twitter and Google will all be appearing before the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism on Tuesday.
www.usatoday.com

Donnie J entered in to a conspiracy with Russians to obtain dirt on Hillary he was told was in the possession of the Russian government. Mueller Confirms: Don Jr. Was Too Stupid to Collude

Those two incidents alone prove a conspiracy.

There's this.. FBI documents reveal communication between Stone, Assange

Which coincides with this...Trump talked to Roger Stone about WikiLeaks, Rick Gates says in testimony contradicting the president

Not to mention this...............Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion”
and this.......A Collusion Reading Diary: What Did the Senate Intelligence Committee Find?
and this in regard to the evidence Trump obstructed Mueller's investigation. Obstruction of Justice in the Mueller Report: A Heat Map
and this......

Hundreds of former prosecutors say Trump would have been indicted if he were not president

President Donald Trump would have been indicted for obstruction of justice in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation if he did not hold the nation's highest office, nearly 700 former federal prosecutors argued in an open letter published on Medium on Monday.

The ex-prosecutors — who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations dating back to President Dwight D. Eisenhower — said Attorney General William Barr's decision not to charge Trump with obstruction "runs counter to logic and our experience."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...ay-trump-would-have-been-indicted-if-n1002436

All of which creates, for Trump's minions, the same level of cognitive dissonance Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony has created. Shattering the duplicitous narrative right wing media has pushed from the beginning about the events surrounding 1/6.

It's why The Following will employ every tool for denial, deflection, and of course gratuitous insults (their stock and trade) in response to this thread.
 
What? I've no use for your dimwittery
Did you not post that Lincoln was a republican,"Skippy"?

What I asked was, did you think this was a revelation?


  1. something revealed or disclosed, especially a striking disclosure, as of something not before realized.
 
Did you not post that Lincoln was a republican,"Skippy"?

What I asked was, did you think this was a revelation?


  1. something revealed or disclosed, especially a striking disclosure, as of something not before realized.

He was a Republican you worthless ankle snapping dweeb. Catch up on the entire conversation and then comment
 
Link them...we both know you can't, dumbass

Trump-Putin meeting: Putin doesn't deny the “pee tape” ...​

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Vox
https://www.vox.com › trump-putin-pee-tape

Jul 16, 2018 — Putin was asked whether Russian intelligence has any compromising material on President Trump.


Mueller Report Shows Depth of Connections Between ...​

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The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics

Jan 26, 2019 — Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries, during the ...
 
There's not one sentence in this Platitudinal bullshit that is true...It's all attack narrative, and vile attack...Clown.
Evangelicals weren’t initially opposed to abortion – they considered it a ‘Catholic issue.’

In the early 70s Evangelicals were neutral concerning abortion, and certainly not political about it; indeed, in 1971 the Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution calling for the legalization of abortion.

Racism was the motivating factor for the Christo-fascist right to use religion as a political weapon.
 

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