POLL: Does the left want to end capitalism?

[danielpalos]

I think in general the right wing is more ignorant than the left. This thread has shifted my perspective somewhat, though. It's closer than I thought.

What is the left correct about?

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Wrong. Unchecked capitalism produced the greatest increase in the standard of living for the common man every seen.

Only in right wing fantasy.

Comrade, the cornerstone of capitalism is the free trader. You cannot exploit a free man. If I find no value in the deal, I'm free to walk away. Capitalism allows no coercion.

AnCaps are only right wing fantasy, not Any form of market in the ordinary world. The socialism that enables the capitalism of Mixed-Market economies, is hard at work everyday.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

What I think doesn't matter. What exists is an economic system which has a public sector and a private sector; a a system which has been pretty successful for centuries.

We've had ups and downs, bull and bear markets, wars and peace, and until January of 2017 a good ride with some serious hiccups since the late 18th Century. What we face today is a nation divided and probably more divided than at any other time in our history.

This thread, and the posts it generated, is an example of what is wrong with our country.

You Communists started this civil war in 2000. One common theme with you Marxists is that you're filthy fucking liars. Here you lie that "all was fine until Donald Trump." But you're a fucking liar. You Stalinist scum were every bit as vicious in your attacks on Bush as you are with your attacks on Trump.

What is changing is that normal people, the decent folk you Marxist scumbags so bitterly hate, are standing up to you. We are saying "enough."

The economy is booming, Americans have jobs, we have HOPE, which is what vile pigs like you really hate. The future for America is bright under Trump. You Marxists seek to end America, Trump is a monkey wrench in you plot to destroy the nation.

Post reported as vile, vulgar and vicious.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The sad thing is many of the younger generation have no clue and just do the feel good follow along cause its hip. They snack on tide pods while dancing next to moving cars ffs

That’s only half true, GMU. Yes, the millennials (Y generation) are tide pod eating nitwits who have been duped into believing that communism is a utopia. But fascinatingly enough, Z generation is not only trending heavily right, they are trending hard right (libertarian). It’s unbelievable, but it’s true. I think the MaObama nightmare pushed them through Republicans, past constituitonal conservatism, and all the way to libertarianism.

In all fairness, the Millennials are not the Tide Pod morons.Gen Z is the post-millennial generation. Gen Z are the David Hogg generation, who make millennials look intelligent and ambitious by comparison.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

What I think doesn't matter. What exists is an economic system which has a public sector and a private sector; a a system which has been pretty successful for centuries.

We've had ups and downs, bull and bear markets, wars and peace, and until January of 2017 a good ride with some serious hiccups since the late 18th Century. What we face today is a nation divided and probably more divided than at any other time in our history.

This thread, and the posts it generated, is an example of what is wrong with our country.

You Communists started this civil war in 2000. One common theme with you Marxists is that you're filthy fucking liars. Here you lie that "all was fine until Donald Trump." But you're a fucking liar. You Stalinist scum were every bit as vicious in your attacks on Bush as you are with your attacks on Trump.

What is changing is that normal people, the decent folk you Marxist scumbags so bitterly hate, are standing up to you. We are saying "enough."

The economy is booming, Americans have jobs, we have HOPE, which is what vile pigs like you really hate. The future for America is bright under Trump. You Marxists seek to end America, Trump is a monkey wrench in you plot to destroy the nation.

The Marxist that we had 75 straight months of 6 digit job gains under,,,,unemployment fell from 10% to 4.5% an almost triple in the DOW ?? You should be kissing his ass along with the racist trump I for one have had enough of you racist southern crackers you traitors

Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

Q. Why was it the "Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

A. Two Reasons: it was the worst recession since the Great Depression; & McConnell and Boehner/Ryan did nothing to advance recovery, and attacked Obama's every effort to do so.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What is the left correct about?

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
.

Mac, you need to learn what terms mean before tossing them about.

{
What is 'Economic Equilibrium '
Economic equilibrium is a condition or state in which economic forces are balanced. In effect, economic variables remain unchanged from their equilibrium values in the absence of external influences.

Economic equilibrium may also be defined as the point at which supply equals demand for a product, with the equilibrium price existing where the hypothetical supply and demand curves intersect.}

Economic Equilibrium

Just because you hear a term doesn't mean you should use it with no understanding of it's meaning.

Um, I didn't use the term "Economic Equilibrium".

Maybe read my post one more time.

Then you can try again.
.

Obviously he took "equilibrium" as "economic equilibrium." Obviously you saw that. If that's not what you meant, why don't you clarify what you meant rather than being a dumb ass and saying duh, dar, you don't get it?

But of course he DID mean that.

{The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.}

In context, this was used by Mac to describe economic ideas, specifically Capitalism.

 

[kaz]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

What I think doesn't matter. What exists is an economic system which has a public sector and a private sector; a a system which has been pretty successful for centuries.

We've had ups and downs, bull and bear markets, wars and peace, and until January of 2017 a good ride with some serious hiccups since the late 18th Century. What we face today is a nation divided and probably more divided than at any other time in our history.

This thread, and the posts it generated, is an example of what is wrong with our country.

You Communists started this civil war in 2000. One common theme with you Marxists is that you're filthy fucking liars. Here you lie that "all was fine until Donald Trump." But you're a fucking liar. You Stalinist scum were every bit as vicious in your attacks on Bush as you are with your attacks on Trump.

What is changing is that normal people, the decent folk you Marxist scumbags so bitterly hate, are standing up to you. We are saying "enough."

The economy is booming, Americans have jobs, we have HOPE, which is what vile pigs like you really hate. The future for America is bright under Trump. You Marxists seek to end America, Trump is a monkey wrench in you plot to destroy the nation.

The Marxist that we had 75 straight months of 6 digit job gains under,,,,unemployment fell from 10% to 4.5% an almost triple in the DOW ?? You should be kissing his ass along with the racist trump I for one have had enough of you racist southern crackers you traitors

Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

Q. Why was it the "Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

A. Two Reasons: it was the worst recession since the Great Depression; & McConnell and Boehner/Ryan did nothing to advance recovery, and attacked Obama's every effort to do so.

The main reason it was the worst recession recovery since the Great Depression was that Obama continued W's policies that got us into the recession

 

[Uncensored2008]

The capitalist system provides us with a ruling class. The objective of the socialist system is to eliminate it.

That is astoundingly ignorant. That is the epitome of ignorant. First of all, capitalism does not create a “ruling class”. Everybody is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want - including starting their own business.

Secondly, socialism oppressed the people through an awful ruling class. It doesn’t seek to “eliminate” a ruling class. It seeks to control everything and everyone.

Capitalism destroys the ruling class. Free and unfettered markets are a ladder of success that any person with talent and ambition can climb. This threatens the position of the ruling elite, hence the fabrication of idiocy such as Marxism, which is just Monarchist rule repackaged to appeal to the stupid and lazy.


The point of Marxism is to destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class of merchants and entrepreneurs, so as to destroy the path of economic freedom and put the yolk of serfdom back on the masses. The goal is to protect the wealth, power, and position of the ruling elite from the usurpers who climb above their station.

Marx was a student of Hegel, Hegelian thought revolves around, in fact is consumed with the desire to restore the Monarchy and roll back the enlightenment. Hegel termed absolute and unquestioning obedience to the crown, or state, to be an "ethical life." Liberty in any form, questioning of the absolute rule of the monarchy or state was therefor immoral and unethical.

 

[Wry Catcher]

What I think doesn't matter. What exists is an economic system which has a public sector and a private sector; a a system which has been pretty successful for centuries.

We've had ups and downs, bull and bear markets, wars and peace, and until January of 2017 a good ride with some serious hiccups since the late 18th Century. What we face today is a nation divided and probably more divided than at any other time in our history.

This thread, and the posts it generated, is an example of what is wrong with our country.

You Communists started this civil war in 2000. One common theme with you Marxists is that you're filthy fucking liars. Here you lie that "all was fine until Donald Trump." But you're a fucking liar. You Stalinist scum were every bit as vicious in your attacks on Bush as you are with your attacks on Trump.

What is changing is that normal people, the decent folk you Marxist scumbags so bitterly hate, are standing up to you. We are saying "enough."

The economy is booming, Americans have jobs, we have HOPE, which is what vile pigs like you really hate. The future for America is bright under Trump. You Marxists seek to end America, Trump is a monkey wrench in you plot to destroy the nation.

The Marxist that we had 75 straight months of 6 digit job gains under,,,,unemployment fell from 10% to 4.5% an almost triple in the DOW ?? You should be kissing his ass along with the racist trump I for one have had enough of you racist southern crackers you traitors

Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

Q. Why was it the "Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

A. Two Reasons: it was the worst recession since the Great Depression; & McConnell and Boehner/Ryan did nothing to advance recovery, and attacked Obama's every effort to do so.

The main reason it was the worst recession recovery since the Great Depression was that Obama continued W's policies that got us into the recession

LOL Really, you're not serious. This ^^^ post is the most ridiculous post I've read in a long long time.

 

[kaz]

The capitalist system provides us with a ruling class. The objective of the socialist system is to eliminate it.

That is astoundingly ignorant. That is the epitome of ignorant. First of all, capitalism does not create a “ruling class”. Everybody is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want - including starting their own business.

Secondly, socialism oppressed the people through an awful ruling class. It doesn’t seek to “eliminate” a ruling class. It seeks to control everything and everyone.

Capitalism destroys the ruling class. Free and unfettered markets are a ladder of success that any person with talent and ambition can climb. This threatens the position of the ruling elite, hence the fabrication of idiocy such as Marxism, which is just Monarchist rule repackaged to appeal to the stupid and lazy.


The point of Marxism is to destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class of merchants and entrepreneurs, so as to destroy the path of economic freedom and put the yolk of serfdom back on the masses. The goal is to protect the wealth, power, and position of the ruling elite from the usurpers who climb above their station.

Marx was a student of Hegel, Hegelian thought revolves around, in fact is consumed with the desire to restore the Monarchy and roll back the enlightenment. Hegel termed absolute and unquestioning obedience to the crown, or state, to be an "ethical life." Liberty in any form, questioning of the absolute rule of the monarchy or state was therefor immoral and unethical.

Yep. Despite the Marxist class warfare propaganda of the left, the parents of most millionaires are not millionaires

 

[danielpalos]

The left needs to merely learn how to use Capitalism for all of its capital worth in modern times.

 

[kaz]

You Communists started this civil war in 2000. One common theme with you Marxists is that you're filthy fucking liars. Here you lie that "all was fine until Donald Trump." But you're a fucking liar. You Stalinist scum were every bit as vicious in your attacks on Bush as you are with your attacks on Trump.

What is changing is that normal people, the decent folk you Marxist scumbags so bitterly hate, are standing up to you. We are saying "enough."

The economy is booming, Americans have jobs, we have HOPE, which is what vile pigs like you really hate. The future for America is bright under Trump. You Marxists seek to end America, Trump is a monkey wrench in you plot to destroy the nation.

The Marxist that we had 75 straight months of 6 digit job gains under,,,,unemployment fell from 10% to 4.5% an almost triple in the DOW ?? You should be kissing his ass along with the racist trump I for one have had enough of you racist southern crackers you traitors

Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

Q. Why was it the "Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

A. Two Reasons: it was the worst recession since the Great Depression; & McConnell and Boehner/Ryan did nothing to advance recovery, and attacked Obama's every effort to do so.

The main reason it was the worst recession recovery since the Great Depression was that Obama continued W's policies that got us into the recession

LOL Really, you're not serious. This ^^^ post is the most ridiculous post I've read in a long long time.

Of course Obama continued W's economic policies. Just like he continued W's military policies. Notice despite the good scoff you got up, you didn't come up with any examples.

BTW, W continued Slick's policies. Like for subprime loans. The only difference between HW, W, Slick and Obama was the rhetoric, not their policies

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm a liberal that likes a healthy portion of socialism with my well regulated capitalism. That is the recipe that makes a vibrant middle class.

Oh yeah...that’s why the middle class had lower incomes and lower savings under MaObama and the Pelosi/Reid reign of terror.

Everything you’ve been conditioned to believe is 100% bullshit. You’d know that too if you’d just look at data rather than your ideology.

The goal of the left is the destruction of the middle class.

 

[Wyatt earp]

My statement didn't need clarification. Socialism is a socioeconomic relationship. It is not a form of government.

Socialism requires an authoritarian state to enforce the division of labor and resources. Have you not read Marx?

Whether the "Dictatorship of the Proletarians" or the Kleptocracy of Merkle in Germany, Socialism is ALWAYS authoritarian, and must be so. Evolution drives a species to survive and thrive. Working to ones own harm for the supposed benefit of society violates our basic programming. Hence socialists ALWAYS use force.

Not only have I read Marx, but I have actively sought to understand what it was he was writing. The concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat needs be no more authoritarian than the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that exists today in America and which you freely accept as being the natural state of things.


"The most democratic bourgeois republic is no more than a machine for the suppression of the working class by the bourgeoisie, for the suppression of the working people by a handful of capitalists.

Even in the most democratic bourgeois republic "freedom of assembly" is a hollow phrase, for the rich have the best public and private buildings at their disposal, and enough leisure to assemble at meetings, which are protected by the bourgeois machine of power. The rural and urban workers and small peasants – the overwhelming majority of the population – are denied all these things. As long as that state of affairs prevails, "equality", i.e., "pure democracy", is a fraud.

"Freedom of the press" is another of the principal slogans of "pure democracy". And here, too, the workers know – and Socialists everywhere have explained millions of times – that this freedom is a deception because the best printing presses and the biggest stocks of paper are appropriated by the capitalists, and while capitalist rule over the press remains – a rule that is manifested throughout the whole world all the more strikingly, sharply and cynically – the more democracy and the republican system are developed, as in America for example...

The capitalists have always use the term "freedom" to mean freedom for the rich to get richer and for the workers to starve to death. And capitalist usage, freedom of the press means freedom of the rich to bribe the press, freedom to use their wealth to shape and fabricate so-called public opinion. In this respect, too, the defenders of "pure democracy" prove to be defenders of an utterly foul and venal system that gives the rich control over the mass media. They prove to be deceivers of the people, who, with the aid of plausible, fine-sounding, but thoroughly false phrases, divert them from the concrete historical task of liberating the press from capitalist enslavement."
First Congress of the Communist International

Wow, you have read Marx, comrade.

You think that when people buy political power, that's capitalism. It's not, it's socialism. Government is making our choices, which is central economic planning, which is by definition socialism.

Capitalism is when government does NOT make our choices for us. Maybe when you're done studying Marx, you can start on Adam Smith and the other side

You think that when people buy political power, that's capitalism.

No, that is not what is being said.

Our social development stems from the way in which we produce commodities. We produce commodities via the capitalist system. This gives capitalists great advantage over the development of society in all of its facets. This is the essence of what is being said.

To alter the way we produce commodities to a socialist method would also alter the way in which society developed.

The capitalist system provides us with a ruling class. The objective of the socialist system is to eliminate it.

But it never does it leads to rich politicians and lazy workers, no incentive to create.



.

 

[kaz]

I'm a liberal that likes a healthy portion of socialism with my well regulated capitalism. That is the recipe that makes a vibrant middle class.

Oh yeah...that’s why the middle class had lower incomes and lower savings under MaObama and the Pelosi/Reid reign of terror.

Everything you’ve been conditioned to believe is 100% bullshit. You’d know that too if you’d just look at data rather than your ideology.

The goal of the left is the destruction of the middle class.

Yep. They already have no problem with their political elites lying, cheating and stealing and want the rest of us to be the same. The only way to have us have the same is to all have nothing. If we have anything, it will never be equally distributed. So poor it is!

 

[kaz]

My statement didn't need clarification. Socialism is a socioeconomic relationship. It is not a form of government.

Socialism requires an authoritarian state to enforce the division of labor and resources. Have you not read Marx?

Whether the "Dictatorship of the Proletarians" or the Kleptocracy of Merkle in Germany, Socialism is ALWAYS authoritarian, and must be so. Evolution drives a species to survive and thrive. Working to ones own harm for the supposed benefit of society violates our basic programming. Hence socialists ALWAYS use force.

Not only have I read Marx, but I have actively sought to understand what it was he was writing. The concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat needs be no more authoritarian than the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that exists today in America and which you freely accept as being the natural state of things.


"The most democratic bourgeois republic is no more than a machine for the suppression of the working class by the bourgeoisie, for the suppression of the working people by a handful of capitalists.

Even in the most democratic bourgeois republic "freedom of assembly" is a hollow phrase, for the rich have the best public and private buildings at their disposal, and enough leisure to assemble at meetings, which are protected by the bourgeois machine of power. The rural and urban workers and small peasants – the overwhelming majority of the population – are denied all these things. As long as that state of affairs prevails, "equality", i.e., "pure democracy", is a fraud.

"Freedom of the press" is another of the principal slogans of "pure democracy". And here, too, the workers know – and Socialists everywhere have explained millions of times – that this freedom is a deception because the best printing presses and the biggest stocks of paper are appropriated by the capitalists, and while capitalist rule over the press remains – a rule that is manifested throughout the whole world all the more strikingly, sharply and cynically – the more democracy and the republican system are developed, as in America for example...

The capitalists have always use the term "freedom" to mean freedom for the rich to get richer and for the workers to starve to death. And capitalist usage, freedom of the press means freedom of the rich to bribe the press, freedom to use their wealth to shape and fabricate so-called public opinion. In this respect, too, the defenders of "pure democracy" prove to be defenders of an utterly foul and venal system that gives the rich control over the mass media. They prove to be deceivers of the people, who, with the aid of plausible, fine-sounding, but thoroughly false phrases, divert them from the concrete historical task of liberating the press from capitalist enslavement."
First Congress of the Communist International

Wow, you have read Marx, comrade.

You think that when people buy political power, that's capitalism. It's not, it's socialism. Government is making our choices, which is central economic planning, which is by definition socialism.

Capitalism is when government does NOT make our choices for us. Maybe when you're done studying Marx, you can start on Adam Smith and the other side

You think that when people buy political power, that's capitalism.

No, that is not what is being said.

Our social development stems from the way in which we produce commodities. We produce commodities via the capitalist system. This gives capitalists great advantage over the development of society in all of its facets. This is the essence of what is being said.

To alter the way we produce commodities to a socialist method would also alter the way in which society developed.

The capitalist system provides us with a ruling class. The objective of the socialist system is to eliminate it.

But it never does it leads to rich politicians and lazy workers, no incentive to create.



.

It's unreal how incredibly disingenuous Tehon is even as he spouts Marxist rhetoric. Democrats cheat on their taxes, take bribes, exempt themselves from their own laws and live luxuriously and leftists don't care. Of course they are creating a ruling class

 

[edward37]

The capitalist system provides us with a ruling class. The objective of the socialist system is to eliminate it.

That is astoundingly ignorant. That is the epitome of ignorant. First of all, capitalism does not create a “ruling class”. Everybody is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want - including starting their own business.

Secondly, socialism oppressed the people through an awful ruling class. It doesn’t seek to “eliminate” a ruling class. It seeks to control everything and everyone.

Capitalism destroys the ruling class. Free and unfettered markets are a ladder of success that any person with talent and ambition can climb. This threatens the position of the ruling elite, hence the fabrication of idiocy such as Marxism, which is just Monarchist rule repackaged to appeal to the stupid and lazy.


The point of Marxism is to destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class of merchants and entrepreneurs, so as to destroy the path of economic freedom and put the yolk of serfdom back on the masses. The goal is to protect the wealth, power, and position of the ruling elite from the usurpers who climb above their station.

Marx was a student of Hegel, Hegelian thought revolves around, in fact is consumed with the desire to restore the Monarchy and roll back the enlightenment. Hegel termed absolute and unquestioning obedience to the crown, or state, to be an "ethical life." Liberty in any form, questioning of the absolute rule of the monarchy or state was therefor immoral and unethical.

Yep. Despite the Marxist class warfare propaganda of the left, the parents of most millionaires are not millionaires

Dumps parents were Even gave him millions to start his disgusting career Born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple

 

[kaz]

The capitalist system provides us with a ruling class. The objective of the socialist system is to eliminate it.

That is astoundingly ignorant. That is the epitome of ignorant. First of all, capitalism does not create a “ruling class”. Everybody is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want - including starting their own business.

Secondly, socialism oppressed the people through an awful ruling class. It doesn’t seek to “eliminate” a ruling class. It seeks to control everything and everyone.

Capitalism destroys the ruling class. Free and unfettered markets are a ladder of success that any person with talent and ambition can climb. This threatens the position of the ruling elite, hence the fabrication of idiocy such as Marxism, which is just Monarchist rule repackaged to appeal to the stupid and lazy.


The point of Marxism is to destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class of merchants and entrepreneurs, so as to destroy the path of economic freedom and put the yolk of serfdom back on the masses. The goal is to protect the wealth, power, and position of the ruling elite from the usurpers who climb above their station.

Marx was a student of Hegel, Hegelian thought revolves around, in fact is consumed with the desire to restore the Monarchy and roll back the enlightenment. Hegel termed absolute and unquestioning obedience to the crown, or state, to be an "ethical life." Liberty in any form, questioning of the absolute rule of the monarchy or state was therefor immoral and unethical.

Yep. Despite the Marxist class warfare propaganda of the left, the parents of most millionaires are not millionaires

Dumps parents were Even gave him millions to start his disgusting career Born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple

He turned millions into billions. Sounds pretty impressive to me. But I don't have your raging butt hurt, so of course it would. Let it out, let it out ...

 

[edward37]

The Marxist that we had 75 straight months of 6 digit job gains under,,,,unemployment fell from 10% to 4.5% an almost triple in the DOW ?? You should be kissing his ass along with the racist trump I for one have had enough of you racist southern crackers you traitors

Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

Q. Why was it the "Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

A. Two Reasons: it was the worst recession since the Great Depression; & McConnell and Boehner/Ryan did nothing to advance recovery, and attacked Obama's every effort to do so.

The main reason it was the worst recession recovery since the Great Depression was that Obama continued W's policies that got us into the recession

LOL Really, you're not serious. This ^^^ post is the most ridiculous post I've read in a long long time.

Of course Obama continued W's economic policies. Just like he continued W's military policies. Notice despite the good scoff you got up, you didn't come up with any examples.

BTW, W continued Slick's policies. Like for subprime loans. The only difference between HW, W, Slick and Obama was the rhetoric, not their policies

Which of them had a trickle down tax policy while paying for a war?

 

[kaz]

Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

Q. Why was it the "Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

A. Two Reasons: it was the worst recession since the Great Depression; & McConnell and Boehner/Ryan did nothing to advance recovery, and attacked Obama's every effort to do so.

The main reason it was the worst recession recovery since the Great Depression was that Obama continued W's policies that got us into the recession

LOL Really, you're not serious. This ^^^ post is the most ridiculous post I've read in a long long time.

Of course Obama continued W's economic policies. Just like he continued W's military policies. Notice despite the good scoff you got up, you didn't come up with any examples.

BTW, W continued Slick's policies. Like for subprime loans. The only difference between HW, W, Slick and Obama was the rhetoric, not their policies

Which of them had a trickle down tax policy while paying for a war?

Obama renewed W's tax cuts. Check ...

 

[edward37]

The capitalist system provides us with a ruling class. The objective of the socialist system is to eliminate it.

That is astoundingly ignorant. That is the epitome of ignorant. First of all, capitalism does not create a “ruling class”. Everybody is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want - including starting their own business.

Secondly, socialism oppressed the people through an awful ruling class. It doesn’t seek to “eliminate” a ruling class. It seeks to control everything and everyone.

Capitalism destroys the ruling class. Free and unfettered markets are a ladder of success that any person with talent and ambition can climb. This threatens the position of the ruling elite, hence the fabrication of idiocy such as Marxism, which is just Monarchist rule repackaged to appeal to the stupid and lazy.


The point of Marxism is to destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class of merchants and entrepreneurs, so as to destroy the path of economic freedom and put the yolk of serfdom back on the masses. The goal is to protect the wealth, power, and position of the ruling elite from the usurpers who climb above their station.

Marx was a student of Hegel, Hegelian thought revolves around, in fact is consumed with the desire to restore the Monarchy and roll back the enlightenment. Hegel termed absolute and unquestioning obedience to the crown, or state, to be an "ethical life." Liberty in any form, questioning of the absolute rule of the monarchy or state was therefor immoral and unethical.

Yep. Despite the Marxist class warfare propaganda of the left, the parents of most millionaires are not millionaires

Dumps parents were Even gave him millions to start his disgusting career Born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple

He turned millions into billions. Sounds pretty impressive to me. But I don't have your raging butt hurt, so of course it would. Let it out, let it out ...

You saw his tax returns ? Billions ? I don't believe a fn thing that pervert says