POLL: Does the left want to end capitalism?

[danielpalos]

Q. Why was it the "Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

A. Two Reasons: it was the worst recession since the Great Depression; & McConnell and Boehner/Ryan did nothing to advance recovery, and attacked Obama's every effort to do so.

The main reason it was the worst recession recovery since the Great Depression was that Obama continued W's policies that got us into the recession

LOL Really, you're not serious. This ^^^ post is the most ridiculous post I've read in a long long time.

Of course Obama continued W's economic policies. Just like he continued W's military policies. Notice despite the good scoff you got up, you didn't come up with any examples.

BTW, W continued Slick's policies. Like for subprime loans. The only difference between HW, W, Slick and Obama was the rhetoric, not their policies

Which of them had a trickle down tax policy while paying for a war?

Obama renewed W's tax cuts. Check ...

...Because we had to bailout, lousy right wing capitalists, like usual.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I'm a liberal that likes a healthy portion of socialism with my well regulated capitalism. That is the recipe that makes a vibrant middle class.

Oh yeah...that’s why the middle class had lower incomes and lower savings under MaObama and the Pelosi/Reid reign of terror.

Everything you’ve been conditioned to believe is 100% bullshit. You’d know that too if you’d just look at data rather than your ideology.

The goal of the left is the destruction of the middle class.

Yep. They already have no problem with their political elites lying, cheating and stealing and want the rest of us to be the same. The only way to have us have the same is to all have nothing. If we have anything, it will never be equally distributed. So poor it is!

I could never figure that out about them, for some reason they think rich politicians are better then private citizens who provide jobs.


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[Uncensored2008]

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I'm well aware of the "data" and know that Obama and Pelosi have nothing to do with stagnant wages and Republicans block efforts to do anything about it...like raise the minimum wage.

You stalinists wage war on the middle class on behalf of your Oligarch masters. What you seek is a nation of serfs under the absolute rule of leftist Oligarchs.

Everything you do, including the ignorant minimum wage is designed to undermine and destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class.

A dollar has no meaning. It is "fiat" a French word meaning "marker." A dollar is nothing more than a measure of value. If an egg is pegged to $1, then the dollar represents the value of one egg. Peg the egg to $5 and you have not increased the value, you've only changed the marker. The value is the egg, the dollar has no value.

Pay unskilled labor a billion dollars an hour, it will in no way alter the value of the labor performed. The market will seek equilibrium (the term Mac so ignorantly misused earlier.)

The minimum wage as used by you Marxists is a kludge to destroy the lower middle class and drive those escaping back into poverty.

Example: Joe was hired to run parts and tools at a construction site for $10. Joe is a hard worker and listens to what the craftsmen say. So the boss gives Joe a raise to $15 an hour. Joe now has an advantage in purchasing power over the other gophers who didn't work as hard. BUT the Communists come along and con people into creating a $15 minimum wage. The first effect is that all the hard work of Joe is destroyed as he is caste right back to where he started. Even worse, because fiat currency is just a marker, the artificial flooding of the market with 33% more currency causes the ratio of dollars to goods to adjust and Joe LOSES purchasing power, just as the Communist intended from the start.

You are the boot to the face of those seeking to climb the ladder of success.

 

[kaz]

That is astoundingly ignorant. That is the epitome of ignorant. First of all, capitalism does not create a “ruling class”. Everybody is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want - including starting their own business.

Secondly, socialism oppressed the people through an awful ruling class. It doesn’t seek to “eliminate” a ruling class. It seeks to control everything and everyone.

Capitalism destroys the ruling class. Free and unfettered markets are a ladder of success that any person with talent and ambition can climb. This threatens the position of the ruling elite, hence the fabrication of idiocy such as Marxism, which is just Monarchist rule repackaged to appeal to the stupid and lazy.


The point of Marxism is to destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class of merchants and entrepreneurs, so as to destroy the path of economic freedom and put the yolk of serfdom back on the masses. The goal is to protect the wealth, power, and position of the ruling elite from the usurpers who climb above their station.

Marx was a student of Hegel, Hegelian thought revolves around, in fact is consumed with the desire to restore the Monarchy and roll back the enlightenment. Hegel termed absolute and unquestioning obedience to the crown, or state, to be an "ethical life." Liberty in any form, questioning of the absolute rule of the monarchy or state was therefor immoral and unethical.

Yep. Despite the Marxist class warfare propaganda of the left, the parents of most millionaires are not millionaires

Dumps parents were Even gave him millions to start his disgusting career Born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple

He turned millions into billions. Sounds pretty impressive to me. But I don't have your raging butt hurt, so of course it would. Let it out, let it out ...

You saw his tax returns ? Billions ? I don't believe a fn thing that pervert says

Good job. Keep venting that butt hurt!

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

What I think doesn't matter. What exists is an economic system which has a public sector and a private sector; a a system which has been pretty successful for centuries.

We've had ups and downs, bull and bear markets, wars and peace, and until January of 2017 a good ride with some serious hiccups since the late 18th Century. What we face today is a nation divided and probably more divided than at any other time in our history.

This thread, and the posts it generated, is an example of what is wrong with our country.

You Communists started this civil war in 2000. One common theme with you Marxists is that you're filthy fucking liars. Here you lie that "all was fine until Donald Trump." But you're a fucking liar. You Stalinist scum were every bit as vicious in your attacks on Bush as you are with your attacks on Trump.

What is changing is that normal people, the decent folk you Marxist scumbags so bitterly hate, are standing up to you. We are saying "enough."

The economy is booming, Americans have jobs, we have HOPE, which is what vile pigs like you really hate. The future for America is bright under Trump. You Marxists seek to end America, Trump is a monkey wrench in you plot to destroy the nation.

Post reported as vile, vulgar and vicious.

Don't like facts, eh Comrade.

Too bad. You Marxists have been vile, vulgar, and vicious for as long as I can remember. You have waged a Communist revolution in your attempt to end the nation since at least 2000.

Let's remind everyone what you Stalinists are.

Remember that one? You traitors actually made a movie about your desire to assasinate the President. Pornography for you hate filled Stalinists.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm a liberal that likes a healthy portion of socialism with my well regulated capitalism. That is the recipe that makes a vibrant middle class.

It does nothing of the sort. All it does is create a class of parasites. You will keep voting for more portions of socialism until there's no capitalism left. Ask a "liberal" how much socialism do they want and they will always say "more."

 

[bripat9643]

I'm a liberal that likes a healthy portion of socialism with my well regulated capitalism. That is the recipe that makes a vibrant middle class.

Oh yeah...that’s why the middle class had lower incomes and lower savings under MaObama and the Pelosi/Reid reign of terror.

Everything you’ve been conditioned to believe is 100% bullshit. You’d know that too if you’d just look at data rather than your ideology.

I'm well aware of the "data" and know that Obama and Pelosi have nothing to do with stagnant wages and Republicans block efforts to do anything about it...like raise the minimum wage.

Of course they had everything to do with stagnant wages. Importing millions of low wage workers from third world shit holes is exactly the worst thing you can do for wages in America.

 

[edward37]

I'm a liberal that likes a healthy portion of socialism with my well regulated capitalism. That is the recipe that makes a vibrant middle class.

It does nothing of the sort. All it does is create a class of parasites. You will keep voting for more portions of socialism until there's no capitalism left. Ask a "liberal" how much socialism do they want and they will always say "more."

Bri what do you suggest we do with all these ""parasites"' Let them starve or give them a quick death??

 

[danielpalos]

The left wants to apply capitalism to our border policies so we make money and can claim to be Good Capitalists.

 

[danielpalos]

I'm a liberal that likes a healthy portion of socialism with my well regulated capitalism. That is the recipe that makes a vibrant middle class.

It does nothing of the sort. All it does is create a class of parasites. You will keep voting for more portions of socialism until there's no capitalism left. Ask a "liberal" how much socialism do they want and they will always say "more."

Bri what do you suggest we do with all these ""parasites"' Let them starve or give them a quick death??

thanks for your, "Christian help", right wingers.

 

[bripat9643]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

What I think doesn't matter. What exists is an economic system which has a public sector and a private sector; a a system which has been pretty successful for centuries.

We've had ups and downs, bull and bear markets, wars and peace, and until January of 2017 a good ride with some serious hiccups since the late 18th Century. What we face today is a nation divided and probably more divided than at any other time in our history.

This thread, and the posts it generated, is an example of what is wrong with our country.

You Communists started this civil war in 2000. One common theme with you Marxists is that you're filthy fucking liars. Here you lie that "all was fine until Donald Trump." But you're a fucking liar. You Stalinist scum were every bit as vicious in your attacks on Bush as you are with your attacks on Trump.

What is changing is that normal people, the decent folk you Marxist scumbags so bitterly hate, are standing up to you. We are saying "enough."

The economy is booming, Americans have jobs, we have HOPE, which is what vile pigs like you really hate. The future for America is bright under Trump. You Marxists seek to end America, Trump is a monkey wrench in you plot to destroy the nation.

The Marxist that we had 75 straight months of 6 digit job gains under,,,,unemployment fell from 10% to 4.5% an almost triple in the DOW ?? You should be kissing his ass along with the racist trump I for one have had enough of you racist southern crackers you traitors

Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

With the leader of the Senate saying they will do NOTHING to help Obama or America clean up your gwb republican mess you should understand why it was slow ... Millions were out of work thanks to GWB and repubs Once more Repubs prove they're all about their jobs and FK America

Only the already duped snowflakes like you are buying that horseshit.

 

[bripat9643]

What is the left correct about?

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
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Mac, you need to learn what terms mean before tossing them about.

{
What is 'Economic Equilibrium '
Economic equilibrium is a condition or state in which economic forces are balanced. In effect, economic variables remain unchanged from their equilibrium values in the absence of external influences.

Economic equilibrium may also be defined as the point at which supply equals demand for a product, with the equilibrium price existing where the hypothetical supply and demand curves intersect.}

Economic Equilibrium

Just because you hear a term doesn't mean you should use it with no understanding of it's meaning.

Um, I didn't use the term "Economic Equilibrium".

Maybe read my post one more time.

Then you can try again.
.

Pathetic Mac.

Equilibrium is an economic term and concept, which you deployed in a discussion on economics.

Weaseling out of your obvious faux paus is unbecoming.

Under the Monarchy we paid 5% of our income in taxes. Under democracy we pay 50%. Taxation with representation is far worse than taxation without representation.

 

[edward37]

What I think doesn't matter. What exists is an economic system which has a public sector and a private sector; a a system which has been pretty successful for centuries.

We've had ups and downs, bull and bear markets, wars and peace, and until January of 2017 a good ride with some serious hiccups since the late 18th Century. What we face today is a nation divided and probably more divided than at any other time in our history.

This thread, and the posts it generated, is an example of what is wrong with our country.

You Communists started this civil war in 2000. One common theme with you Marxists is that you're filthy fucking liars. Here you lie that "all was fine until Donald Trump." But you're a fucking liar. You Stalinist scum were every bit as vicious in your attacks on Bush as you are with your attacks on Trump.

What is changing is that normal people, the decent folk you Marxist scumbags so bitterly hate, are standing up to you. We are saying "enough."

The economy is booming, Americans have jobs, we have HOPE, which is what vile pigs like you really hate. The future for America is bright under Trump. You Marxists seek to end America, Trump is a monkey wrench in you plot to destroy the nation.

The Marxist that we had 75 straight months of 6 digit job gains under,,,,unemployment fell from 10% to 4.5% an almost triple in the DOW ?? You should be kissing his ass along with the racist trump I for one have had enough of you racist southern crackers you traitors

Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

With the leader of the Senate saying they will do NOTHING to help Obama or America clean up your gwb republican mess you should understand why it was slow ... Millions were out of work thanks to GWB and repubs Once more Repubs prove they're all about their jobs and FK America

Only the already duped snowflakes like you are buying that horseshit.

You didn't hear McConnell ?? I did ,,, a republican pig

 

[bripat9643]

I'm a liberal that likes a healthy portion of socialism with my well regulated capitalism. That is the recipe that makes a vibrant middle class.

It does nothing of the sort. All it does is create a class of parasites. You will keep voting for more portions of socialism until there's no capitalism left. Ask a "liberal" how much socialism do they want and they will always say "more."

Bri what do you suggest we do with all these ""parasites"' Let them starve or give them a quick death??

I suggest all the caring left wingers can write them a check, or are you admitting you wouldn't lift a finger to help them?

 

[bripat9643]

You Communists started this civil war in 2000. One common theme with you Marxists is that you're filthy fucking liars. Here you lie that "all was fine until Donald Trump." But you're a fucking liar. You Stalinist scum were every bit as vicious in your attacks on Bush as you are with your attacks on Trump.

What is changing is that normal people, the decent folk you Marxist scumbags so bitterly hate, are standing up to you. We are saying "enough."

The economy is booming, Americans have jobs, we have HOPE, which is what vile pigs like you really hate. The future for America is bright under Trump. You Marxists seek to end America, Trump is a monkey wrench in you plot to destroy the nation.

The Marxist that we had 75 straight months of 6 digit job gains under,,,,unemployment fell from 10% to 4.5% an almost triple in the DOW ?? You should be kissing his ass along with the racist trump I for one have had enough of you racist southern crackers you traitors

Worst recession recovery since the Great Depression

With the leader of the Senate saying they will do NOTHING to help Obama or America clean up your gwb republican mess you should understand why it was slow ... Millions were out of work thanks to GWB and repubs Once more Repubs prove they're all about their jobs and FK America

Only the already duped snowflakes like you are buying that horseshit.

You didn't hear McConnell ?? I did ,,, a republican pig

True, McConnel said he wasn't going to help Obama implement his agenda. The rest of your post is horseshit.

 

[edward37]

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
.

Mac, you need to learn what terms mean before tossing them about.

{
What is 'Economic Equilibrium '
Economic equilibrium is a condition or state in which economic forces are balanced. In effect, economic variables remain unchanged from their equilibrium values in the absence of external influences.

Economic equilibrium may also be defined as the point at which supply equals demand for a product, with the equilibrium price existing where the hypothetical supply and demand curves intersect.}

Economic Equilibrium

Just because you hear a term doesn't mean you should use it with no understanding of it's meaning.

Um, I didn't use the term "Economic Equilibrium".

Maybe read my post one more time.

Then you can try again.
.

Pathetic Mac.

Equilibrium is an economic term and concept, which you deployed in a discussion on economics.

Weaseling out of your obvious faux paus is unbecoming.

Under the Monarchy we paid 5% of our income in taxes. Under democracy we pay 50%. Taxation with representation is far worse than taxation without representation.

You pay 50%?? Get a new CPA

 

[edward37]

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
.

Mac, you need to learn what terms mean before tossing them about.

{
What is 'Economic Equilibrium '
Economic equilibrium is a condition or state in which economic forces are balanced. In effect, economic variables remain unchanged from their equilibrium values in the absence of external influences.

Economic equilibrium may also be defined as the point at which supply equals demand for a product, with the equilibrium price existing where the hypothetical supply and demand curves intersect.}

Economic Equilibrium

Just because you hear a term doesn't mean you should use it with no understanding of it's meaning.

Um, I didn't use the term "Economic Equilibrium".

Maybe read my post one more time.

Then you can try again.
.

Pathetic Mac.

Equilibrium is an economic term and concept, which you deployed in a discussion on economics.

Weaseling out of your obvious faux paus is unbecoming.

Under the Monarchy we paid 5% of our income in taxes. Under democracy we pay 50%. Taxation with representation is far worse than taxation without representation.

You pay 50%?? Get a new CPA

Your boy trump is like crime ,,,he doesn't pay

 

[Tehon]

It is not required that a centralized government plan the economy of a community. The centralized government rises out of the need to protect all of the communities from the capitalist invaders.

Capitalist invaders such as those having a yard sale or lemonaide stand.

The totalitarian government rises because men seek to trade in peace, offering value in exchange for value. This is the opposite of socialism, so the state is there to crush the natural goodness of people.

Trading in peace and offering value in exchange for value is the exact intent of socialism.

The capitalist seeks a profit, therefore he seeks an advantage over his trading partner. Capitalism is a system that relies on competition hence the phrase "buyer beware".

Wrong. Socialism doesn't allow trading. That requires the institution of private property, which socialism doesn't allow. "Profit" does not equate to "advantage." The lowest street vendor makes a profit.

Competition and "buyer beware" have no connection with each other. In fact, just the opposite. Competition is what drives firms to provide the best possible product they can deliver. "Buyer beware" should be the motto for democracy, since snake oil is normally what you are voting on.

No connection? Competition between producers creates the situation where the buyer must be aware of what advantage the individual competitors have sought over each other.

caveat emp·tor
(ĕmp′tôr′)
n.
The axiom or principle in commerce that the buyer alone is responsible for assessing the quality of a purchase before buying.

 

[Dragonlady]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

That is a rather complicated question. For you see, you have the naïve moonbats of the Left who follow the demagogues of the Left.

Take the two socialists in American politics who are Bernie Sanders and the next Sarah Palin of politics, you know, Crazy eyes. (please don't make me spell her name)

Both say they are socialists but neither are advocating a complete government takeover of industry, which is the traditional definition of socialist. No, both just want to give a bunch more free stuff to people as they live a lavish lifestyle that the common man cannot.

Are they serious? Who knows? All I know is that they are dangerous.

The sad thing is many of the younger generation have no clue and just do the feel good follow along cause its hip.
They snack on tide pods while dancing next to moving cars ffs

In total 37 idiot teenagers ate Tide Pods. Right wingers judge an entire generation based on 37 kids out of an entire generation. But hey, it’s what you asshats do.

All liberals are commies. All Muslims want to kill you. All blacks hate white people. You find the most egregious examples of idiocy you can find and then paint everyone you don’t like in that light.

It’s not reality. Not even close.

 

[P@triot]

The federal doctrine is about results, not excuses.

When then, in true left-wing fashion, you people have failed miserably on both parts of your “doctrine”. All you do is fail to deliver results and then make excuses for it.