POLL: Does the left want to end capitalism?

[Uncensored2008]

You pay 50%?? Get a new CPA

Your boy trump is like crime ,,,he doesn't pay

Doesn't pay what, fucking liar?

When Obama released Trump's tax returns as part of the government plot to rig the election, we found that Trump pays MILLIONS in taxes.

{In 2005, Donald Trump paid $38 million -- or about 25.3 percent -- in taxes on income of over $150 million, }

Donald Trump tax returns - portion of 2005 form 1040 released

That was ONE Think he got a refund the following year ?

No you don't, you're just lying.

Obama illegally released the 2005 return to try and corrupt the election. He did not illegally release further returns. Maybe the risk of his treason was too great? Why is Lois Lerner not in prison for that? Releasing the taxes of the opposition candidate for President? Yet she remains free and walking around? Where the fuck is the Grand Inquisitor? You want election tampering? There it is - no way to refute it.

Trump’s return demonstrates why preserving the A.M.T. is essential. More immediately, it also raises the question of who leaked it. During Maddow’s show, Johnston suggested that the documents could possibly have come from Trump himself, or someone acting at his direction. "With Donald, you never know," he said. Obviously, this is just speculation, but there are a number of reasons why the theory that someone connected to Trump may have been the leaker is far from implausible.

For one thing, the leak didn't include the bulk of Trump's tax return or the supporting appendices. These materials would have provided information about any loans he had taken out and details of any income he received from overseas. It is also curious that the return is for 2005, which was a particularly good year for Trump's business. He "sold two properties, one on Manhattan’s west side and one in San Francisco, to Hong Kong investors," a report at the Daily Beast pointed out.

How much did you pay on the $90 trillion you made last year, Comrade?

 

[kaz]

No you don't, you're just lying.

Obama illegally released the 2005 return to try and corrupt the election. He did not illegally release further returns. Maybe the risk of his treason was too great? Why is Lois Lerner not in prison for that? Releasing the taxes of the opposition candidate for President? Yet she remains free and walking around? Where the fuck is the Grand Inquisitor? You want election tampering? There it is - no way to refute it.

Trump’s return demonstrates why preserving the A.M.T. is essential. More immediately, it also raises the question of who leaked it. During Maddow’s show, Johnston suggested that the documents could possibly have come from Trump himself, or someone acting at his direction. "With Donald, you never know," he said. Obviously, this is just speculation, but there are a number of reasons why the theory that someone connected to Trump may have been the leaker is far from implausible.

For one thing, the leak didn't include the bulk of Trump's tax return or the supporting appendices. These materials would have provided information about any loans he had taken out and details of any income he received from overseas. It is also curious that the return is for 2005, which was a particularly good year for Trump's business. He "sold two properties, one on Manhattan’s west side and one in San Francisco, to Hong Kong investors," a report at the Daily Beast pointed out.

Trump paying $38 million wasn't enough for you, comrade? How much should he have paid?

what about the other 20 or so years .....?

What about them?

Why hide them after showing the ONE where he paid ,,, that still left out much info?

Why would he do that?

Also, you don't know that he showed the one he did, you made that up. You believe what you want to believe

 

[Uncensored2008]

[
Why hide them after showing the ONE where he paid ,,, that still left out much info?

Ask Obama.

His IRS leaked the 2005 return.

My guess is because it backfired. Obama sought to rig the election by painting Trump as paying nothing, but though his percentage was lower than most middle Americans, the amount he paid negated the message Obama sought.

 

[edward37]

Your boy trump is like crime ,,,he doesn't pay

Doesn't pay what, fucking liar?

When Obama released Trump's tax returns as part of the government plot to rig the election, we found that Trump pays MILLIONS in taxes.

{In 2005, Donald Trump paid $38 million -- or about 25.3 percent -- in taxes on income of over $150 million, }

Donald Trump tax returns - portion of 2005 form 1040 released

That was ONE Think he got a refund the following year ?

No you don't, you're just lying.

Obama illegally released the 2005 return to try and corrupt the election. He did not illegally release further returns. Maybe the risk of his treason was too great? Why is Lois Lerner not in prison for that? Releasing the taxes of the opposition candidate for President? Yet she remains free and walking around? Where the fuck is the Grand Inquisitor? You want election tampering? There it is - no way to refute it.

Trump’s return demonstrates why preserving the A.M.T. is essential. More immediately, it also raises the question of who leaked it. During Maddow’s show, Johnston suggested that the documents could possibly have come from Trump himself, or someone acting at his direction. "With Donald, you never know," he said. Obviously, this is just speculation, but there are a number of reasons why the theory that someone connected to Trump may have been the leaker is far from implausible.

For one thing, the leak didn't include the bulk of Trump's tax return or the supporting appendices. These materials would have provided information about any loans he had taken out and details of any income he received from overseas. It is also curious that the return is for 2005, which was a particularly good year for Trump's business. He "sold two properties, one on Manhattan’s west side and one in San Francisco, to Hong Kong investors," a report at the Daily Beast pointed out.

How much did you pay on the $90 trillion you made last year, Comrade?

300k came from an IRA that I paid top dollar on Rest from RE investments and stock sales Why mention what I pay ? You'll only bs about it

 

[edward37]

Trump’s return demonstrates why preserving the A.M.T. is essential. More immediately, it also raises the question of who leaked it. During Maddow’s show, Johnston suggested that the documents could possibly have come from Trump himself, or someone acting at his direction. "With Donald, you never know," he said. Obviously, this is just speculation, but there are a number of reasons why the theory that someone connected to Trump may have been the leaker is far from implausible.

For one thing, the leak didn't include the bulk of Trump's tax return or the supporting appendices. These materials would have provided information about any loans he had taken out and details of any income he received from overseas. It is also curious that the return is for 2005, which was a particularly good year for Trump's business. He "sold two properties, one on Manhattan’s west side and one in San Francisco, to Hong Kong investors," a report at the Daily Beast pointed out.

Trump paying $38 million wasn't enough for you, comrade? How much should he have paid?

what about the other 20 or so years .....?

What about them?

Why hide them after showing the ONE where he paid ,,, that still left out much info?

Why would he do that?

Also, you don't know that he showed the one he did, you made that up. You believe what you want to believe

But there are those here that believe Obama released it???? Guess they believe what they want to also

 

[Uncensored2008]

Doesn't pay what, fucking liar?

When Obama released Trump's tax returns as part of the government plot to rig the election, we found that Trump pays MILLIONS in taxes.

{In 2005, Donald Trump paid $38 million -- or about 25.3 percent -- in taxes on income of over $150 million, }

Donald Trump tax returns - portion of 2005 form 1040 released

That was ONE Think he got a refund the following year ?

No you don't, you're just lying.

Obama illegally released the 2005 return to try and corrupt the election. He did not illegally release further returns. Maybe the risk of his treason was too great? Why is Lois Lerner not in prison for that? Releasing the taxes of the opposition candidate for President? Yet she remains free and walking around? Where the fuck is the Grand Inquisitor? You want election tampering? There it is - no way to refute it.

Trump’s return demonstrates why preserving the A.M.T. is essential. More immediately, it also raises the question of who leaked it. During Maddow’s show, Johnston suggested that the documents could possibly have come from Trump himself, or someone acting at his direction. "With Donald, you never know," he said. Obviously, this is just speculation, but there are a number of reasons why the theory that someone connected to Trump may have been the leaker is far from implausible.

For one thing, the leak didn't include the bulk of Trump's tax return or the supporting appendices. These materials would have provided information about any loans he had taken out and details of any income he received from overseas. It is also curious that the return is for 2005, which was a particularly good year for Trump's business. He "sold two properties, one on Manhattan’s west side and one in San Francisco, to Hong Kong investors," a report at the Daily Beast pointed out.

How much did you pay on the $90 trillion you made last year, Comrade?

300k came from an IRA that I paid top dollar on Rest from RE investments and stock sales Why mention what I pay ? You'll only bs about it

Why mention what Trump pays,. You claim to be far more wealthy than the President, so worry about why YOU don't pay your fair share.

Because we all totally believe you blowhards about how rich you are...

Really, we do..

 

[edward37]

[
Why hide them after showing the ONE where he paid ,,, that still left out much info?

Ask Obama.

His IRS leaked the 2005 return.

My guess is because it backfired. Obama sought to rig the election by painting Trump as paying nothing, but though his percentage was lower than most middle Americans, the amount he paid negated the message Obama sought.

WHY would he show one where Trump actually paid? Was he trying to hurt Hill or himself?

 

[Thinker101]

[
Why hide them after showing the ONE where he paid ,,, that still left out much info?

Ask Obama.

His IRS leaked the 2005 return.

My guess is because it backfired. Obama sought to rig the election by painting Trump as paying nothing, but though his percentage was lower than most middle Americans, the amount he paid negated the message Obama sought.

WHY would he show one where Trump actually paid? Was he trying to hurt Hill or himself?

Because he knows how stupid you yahoos are?

 

[edward37]

That was ONE Think he got a refund the following year ?

No you don't, you're just lying.

Obama illegally released the 2005 return to try and corrupt the election. He did not illegally release further returns. Maybe the risk of his treason was too great? Why is Lois Lerner not in prison for that? Releasing the taxes of the opposition candidate for President? Yet she remains free and walking around? Where the fuck is the Grand Inquisitor? You want election tampering? There it is - no way to refute it.

Trump’s return demonstrates why preserving the A.M.T. is essential. More immediately, it also raises the question of who leaked it. During Maddow’s show, Johnston suggested that the documents could possibly have come from Trump himself, or someone acting at his direction. "With Donald, you never know," he said. Obviously, this is just speculation, but there are a number of reasons why the theory that someone connected to Trump may have been the leaker is far from implausible.

For one thing, the leak didn't include the bulk of Trump's tax return or the supporting appendices. These materials would have provided information about any loans he had taken out and details of any income he received from overseas. It is also curious that the return is for 2005, which was a particularly good year for Trump's business. He "sold two properties, one on Manhattan’s west side and one in San Francisco, to Hong Kong investors," a report at the Daily Beast pointed out.

How much did you pay on the $90 trillion you made last year, Comrade?

300k came from an IRA that I paid top dollar on Rest from RE investments and stock sales Why mention what I pay ? You'll only bs about it

Why mention what Trump pays,. You claim to be far more wealthy than the President, so worry about why YOU don't pay your fair share.

Because we all totally believe you blowhards about how rich you are...

Really, we do..

Please stop your BS I claim nothing of the kind and I'm finished with your load of crap

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump paying $38 million wasn't enough for you, comrade? How much should he have paid?

what about the other 20 or so years .....?

What about them?

Why hide them after showing the ONE where he paid ,,, that still left out much info?

Why would he do that?

Also, you don't know that he showed the one he did, you made that up. You believe what you want to believe

But there are those here that believe Obama released it???? Guess they believe what they want to also

Obama had Lois Lerner and the corrupt IRS release the return in an attempt to rig the election.

That's just fact, no need for "belief."

 

[kaz]

Trump paying $38 million wasn't enough for you, comrade? How much should he have paid?

what about the other 20 or so years .....?

What about them?

Why hide them after showing the ONE where he paid ,,, that still left out much info?

Why would he do that?

Also, you don't know that he showed the one he did, you made that up. You believe what you want to believe

But there are those here that believe Obama released it???? Guess they believe what they want to also

I can't speak for others. Not that you can either, but unlike you I don't try.

I don't know who released it. Could have been Trump, Obama or someone else. No idea

 

[Wry Catcher]

The capitalist system provides us with a ruling class. The objective of the socialist system is to eliminate it.

That is astoundingly ignorant. That is the epitome of ignorant. First of all, capitalism does not create a “ruling class”. Everybody is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want - including starting their own business.

Secondly, socialism oppressed the people through an awful ruling class. It doesn’t seek to “eliminate” a ruling class. It seeks to control everything and everyone.

Capitalism destroys the ruling class. Free and unfettered markets are a ladder of success that any person with talent and ambition can climb. This threatens the position of the ruling elite, hence the fabrication of idiocy such as Marxism, which is just Monarchist rule repackaged to appeal to the stupid and lazy.


The point of Marxism is to destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class of merchants and entrepreneurs, so as to destroy the path of economic freedom and put the yolk of serfdom back on the masses. The goal is to protect the wealth, power, and position of the ruling elite from the usurpers who climb above their station.

Marx was a student of Hegel, Hegelian thought revolves around, in fact is consumed with the desire to restore the Monarchy and roll back the enlightenment. Hegel termed absolute and unquestioning obedience to the crown, or state, to be an "ethical life." Liberty in any form, questioning of the absolute rule of the monarchy or state was therefor immoral and unethical.

Wow. Did Trump study "Hegelian thought"? Demanding loyalty and making laws via EO's and "justice", i.e. "lock her up, seems to be a good fit with your last paragraph.

No idea, dullard.

Oh, and you fucking liar, Obama used EO's at 7 times the frequency that Trump does. Further, the main use of EO's by Trump is to roll back the illegal acts of your god-emperor.

Here's how many executive orders Trump signed in his first 200 days compared to Obama, Bush, and Clinton
Chart: Donald Trump's first 12 days of executive orders
.

Did Obama, Bush or Clinton issue an EO to separate five year old children from their moms? BTW, I reported this post to the powers that be. Your anger is pathological and your attacks on my character are uncalled for. I suppose you feel safe in doing so while hiding behind your keyboard.

 

[kaz]

The capitalist system provides us with a ruling class. The objective of the socialist system is to eliminate it.

That is astoundingly ignorant. That is the epitome of ignorant. First of all, capitalism does not create a “ruling class”. Everybody is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want - including starting their own business.

Secondly, socialism oppressed the people through an awful ruling class. It doesn’t seek to “eliminate” a ruling class. It seeks to control everything and everyone.

Capitalism destroys the ruling class. Free and unfettered markets are a ladder of success that any person with talent and ambition can climb. This threatens the position of the ruling elite, hence the fabrication of idiocy such as Marxism, which is just Monarchist rule repackaged to appeal to the stupid and lazy.


The point of Marxism is to destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class of merchants and entrepreneurs, so as to destroy the path of economic freedom and put the yolk of serfdom back on the masses. The goal is to protect the wealth, power, and position of the ruling elite from the usurpers who climb above their station.

Marx was a student of Hegel, Hegelian thought revolves around, in fact is consumed with the desire to restore the Monarchy and roll back the enlightenment. Hegel termed absolute and unquestioning obedience to the crown, or state, to be an "ethical life." Liberty in any form, questioning of the absolute rule of the monarchy or state was therefor immoral and unethical.

Wow. Did Trump study "Hegelian thought"? Demanding loyalty and making laws via EO's and "justice", i.e. "lock her up, seems to be a good fit with your last paragraph.

No idea, dullard.

Oh, and you fucking liar, Obama used EO's at 7 times the frequency that Trump does. Further, the main use of EO's by Trump is to roll back the illegal acts of your god-emperor.

Here's how many executive orders Trump signed in his first 200 days compared to Obama, Bush, and Clinton
Chart: Donald Trump's first 12 days of executive orders
.

Did Obama, Bush or Clinton issue an EO to separate five year old children from their moms? BTW, I reported this post to the powers that be. Your anger is pathological and your attacks on my character are uncalled for. I suppose you feel safe in doing so while hiding behind your keyboard.

The pictures of children in the cages was taken in 2014. Guess who was President in 2014

 

[sartre play]

As long as we consider every thing said by the "other" side a lie, continue to make it personal nothing good will be accomplished in the long term. good government is based on working together for the many, not the few that scream loudest. capitalism works best with rules.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[
Why hide them after showing the ONE where he paid ,,, that still left out much info?

Ask Obama.

His IRS leaked the 2005 return.

My guess is because it backfired. Obama sought to rig the election by painting Trump as paying nothing, but though his percentage was lower than most middle Americans, the amount he paid negated the message Obama sought.

WHY would he show one where Trump actually paid? Was he trying to hurt Hill or himself?

Trump paid on every return. That was undoubtedly the least amount. CBS went on for days about how Trump "only" paid 23%

It just didn't take.

If the Obama regime had been competent, Hillary would have won.

 

[sealybobo]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

A well regulated capitalism that isn’t governed by the capitalists. We the people should be the boss but the rich/trump rule us now. Bye bye middle class

 

[sealybobo]

[
Why hide them after showing the ONE where he paid ,,, that still left out much info?

Ask Obama.

His IRS leaked the 2005 return.

My guess is because it backfired. Obama sought to rig the election by painting Trump as paying nothing, but though his percentage was lower than most middle Americans, the amount he paid negated the message Obama sought.

WHY would he show one where Trump actually paid? Was he trying to hurt Hill or himself?

Trump paid on every return. That was undoubtedly the least amount. CBS went on for days about how Trump "only" paid 23%

It just didn't take.

If the Obama regime had been competent, Hillary would have won.

Don’t blame the democrats. The people have the government they deserve

 

[Uncensored2008]

The capitalist system provides us with a ruling class. The objective of the socialist system is to eliminate it.

That is astoundingly ignorant. That is the epitome of ignorant. First of all, capitalism does not create a “ruling class”. Everybody is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want - including starting their own business.

Secondly, socialism oppressed the people through an awful ruling class. It doesn’t seek to “eliminate” a ruling class. It seeks to control everything and everyone.

Capitalism destroys the ruling class. Free and unfettered markets are a ladder of success that any person with talent and ambition can climb. This threatens the position of the ruling elite, hence the fabrication of idiocy such as Marxism, which is just Monarchist rule repackaged to appeal to the stupid and lazy.


The point of Marxism is to destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class of merchants and entrepreneurs, so as to destroy the path of economic freedom and put the yolk of serfdom back on the masses. The goal is to protect the wealth, power, and position of the ruling elite from the usurpers who climb above their station.

Marx was a student of Hegel, Hegelian thought revolves around, in fact is consumed with the desire to restore the Monarchy and roll back the enlightenment. Hegel termed absolute and unquestioning obedience to the crown, or state, to be an "ethical life." Liberty in any form, questioning of the absolute rule of the monarchy or state was therefor immoral and unethical.

Wow. Did Trump study "Hegelian thought"? Demanding loyalty and making laws via EO's and "justice", i.e. "lock her up, seems to be a good fit with your last paragraph.

No idea, dullard.

Oh, and you fucking liar, Obama used EO's at 7 times the frequency that Trump does. Further, the main use of EO's by Trump is to roll back the illegal acts of your god-emperor.

Here's how many executive orders Trump signed in his first 200 days compared to Obama, Bush, and Clinton
Chart: Donald Trump's first 12 days of executive orders
.

Did Obama, Bush or Clinton issue an EO to separate five year old children from their moms? BTW, I reported this post to the powers that be. Your anger is pathological and your attacks on my character are uncalled for. I suppose you feel safe in doing so while hiding behind your keyboard.

Yes, Obama did, fucking liar.

{

June 21, 2018 05:00 AM

Updated June 22, 2018 01:53 PM

WASHINGTON
President Barack Obama separated parents from their children at the border.

Obama prosecuted mothers for coming to the United States illegally. He fast tracked deportations. And yes, he housed unaccompanied children in tent cities.

For much of the country — and President Donald Trump — the prevailing belief is that Obama was the president who went easier on immigrants.

Neither Obama nor Democrats created Trump's zero-tolerance policy, which calls for every illegal border crosser to be prosecuted and leads to their children being detained in separate facilities before being shipped to a shelter and eventually a sponsor family.}

Yes, Obama separated families at the border, too

Try again, you fucking liar.

 

[sealybobo]

That is astoundingly ignorant. That is the epitome of ignorant. First of all, capitalism does not create a “ruling class”. Everybody is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want - including starting their own business.

Secondly, socialism oppressed the people through an awful ruling class. It doesn’t seek to “eliminate” a ruling class. It seeks to control everything and everyone.

Capitalism destroys the ruling class. Free and unfettered markets are a ladder of success that any person with talent and ambition can climb. This threatens the position of the ruling elite, hence the fabrication of idiocy such as Marxism, which is just Monarchist rule repackaged to appeal to the stupid and lazy.


The point of Marxism is to destroy the bourgeoisie, the middle class of merchants and entrepreneurs, so as to destroy the path of economic freedom and put the yolk of serfdom back on the masses. The goal is to protect the wealth, power, and position of the ruling elite from the usurpers who climb above their station.

Marx was a student of Hegel, Hegelian thought revolves around, in fact is consumed with the desire to restore the Monarchy and roll back the enlightenment. Hegel termed absolute and unquestioning obedience to the crown, or state, to be an "ethical life." Liberty in any form, questioning of the absolute rule of the monarchy or state was therefor immoral and unethical.

Wow. Did Trump study "Hegelian thought"? Demanding loyalty and making laws via EO's and "justice", i.e. "lock her up, seems to be a good fit with your last paragraph.

No idea, dullard.

Oh, and you fucking liar, Obama used EO's at 7 times the frequency that Trump does. Further, the main use of EO's by Trump is to roll back the illegal acts of your god-emperor.

Here's how many executive orders Trump signed in his first 200 days compared to Obama, Bush, and Clinton
Chart: Donald Trump's first 12 days of executive orders
.

Did Obama, Bush or Clinton issue an EO to separate five year old children from their moms? BTW, I reported this post to the powers that be. Your anger is pathological and your attacks on my character are uncalled for. I suppose you feel safe in doing so while hiding behind your keyboard.

Yes, Obama did, fucking liar.

{
June 21, 2018 05:00 AM

Updated June 22, 2018 01:53 PM

WASHINGTON
President Barack Obama separated parents from their children at the border.

Obama prosecuted mothers for coming to the United States illegally. He fast tracked deportations. And yes, he housed unaccompanied children in tent cities.

For much of the country — and President Donald Trump — the prevailing belief is that Obama was the president who went easier on immigrants.

Neither Obama nor Democrats created Trump's zero-tolerance policy, which calls for every illegal border crosser to be prosecuted and leads to their children being detained in separate facilities before being shipped to a shelter and eventually a sponsor family.}

Yes, Obama separated families at the border, too

Try again, you fucking liar.

No one cares about immigrants. Quit being a sheep they can lead you so easily. Focus on middle class wages

 

[Wry Catcher]

Back to the seminal question:

What I think doesn't matter. What exists is an economic system which has a public sector and a private sector; a a system which has been pretty successful for centuries.

We've had ups and downs, bull and bear markets, wars and peace, and until January of 2017 a good ride with some serious hiccups since the late 18th Century. What we face today is a nation divided and probably more divided than at any other time in our history.

We can see the division every day on this message board, it become tedious to continue to read vacuous posts based on Straw Men and Red Herrings.

The question is about Capitalism. Some seek free markets, i.e. unregulated by government, and never consider how such an economic system can lead to monopolies, cartels and fraud.