Poll. Please Vote. Did You Have a Mother & Father in Your Life?

[Bob Blaylock]

Another classic. Name a single church that has been forced to marry any couple, gay or otherwise, against their wishes? You can't b/c it hasn't and nor should it happen. Remember, Kim Davis isn't a church.

If present direction continues, then it will happen.

The line was crossed when bakers, photographers, and similar businesses were force by law to cater to disgusting homosexual mockeries of weddingsd.

The line was crossed when Christians were told that they didn't get to ignore the law because they suddenly discovered they were Christians when they were asked to bake a cake for a gay couple.

Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.

Then there is no freedom of religion, and America is dead.

Mark

The highest law says that there is, but those who are saying that “Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.” are not willing to allow this highest law to be obeyed. Hypocrites!

 

[Syriusly]

Again, same sex parents don't magically become opposite sex parents if you deny them marriage.

That's interesting...where do you suppose the babies they're "parenting" came from? Were they born out another man's anus (artificial vagina)? .

Tell us more about these babies you believe were born out of a man's anus?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

A gay couple cannot have a biological child. I don't have to "stop them". Nature does that.

Sure they can, if they are of the opposite sex...

Poor Marky is having a tough time with the logic here.

 

[bodecea]

It takes a man and a woman, a father and a mother, to create a child.

That is also what it takes to comprise a functional set of parents to that child.

Um, Bob....the capacity to conceive a child isn't what makes good parents. Loving, caring for, providing for and nurturing your child is what makes good parents. All of which a same sex couple can do and an opposite sex couple can do.

Not if you believe that a child needs both genders to have a balanced upbringing.

Mark

Doesnt matter what you believe. Reality is much more credible.

You're right. Reality is much more credible. And reality created nature. And nature created the two genders so they could procreate.

Now, thats reality. Not some "made up" scenario devised by mankind.

Mark

So you are against adoption and any medical assistance for sterile couples. OK, dont' adopt and don't use fertility clinics. But don't think you can tell us what we can or cannot do based on your christian sharia.

 

[80zephyr]

Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.

The Constitution is the highest law, in this nation, and the First Amendment is part of it. You cannot advocate such blatant disregard for it, and still credibly speak of any rule of law.

The 1st amendment doesn't mean that Christians or any religion can ignore every law. It never has. You're describing Christian Sharia, where any Christian can ignore any law they wish.

That's not our system or law.

Says who? If a conscientious Christian cant live his life according to his religion, then the 1st Amendment is less than worthless because he basically has to "drop out" of society, forcing him to become a second class citizen.

Mark

He can always move to another country then. The 1rst amendment doesnt stop you from being a christian.

If you can't live your faith, then you aren't free to practice your religion. The 1st becomes nothing more than words.

Mark

 

[Asclepias]

It takes a man and a woman, a father and a mother, to create a child.

That is also what it takes to comprise a functional set of parents to that child.

Um, Bob....the capacity to conceive a child isn't what makes good parents. Loving, caring for, providing for and nurturing your child is what makes good parents. All of which a same sex couple can do and an opposite sex couple can do.

Not if you believe that a child needs both genders to have a balanced upbringing.

Mark

You're free to believe that all you wish but you still can't stop gay people from raising their biological and adoptive children.

A gay couple cannot have a biological child. I don't have to "stop them". Nature does that.

Mark

I know this guy I used to work with that had 4 sons and he was so gay he actually slept with another guy on his wedding night. The only reason he had kids was because he was trying to conform to social expectations.

 

[Skylar]

The reason is simple: denying marriage to same sex parents doesn't help their children. As denying marriage to same sex parents doesn't magically transform them into opposite sex parents. It merely guarantees that their children never have married parents.

Which hurts those children and helps none.

There is no such thing as marriage between two people of the same sex. Marriage, by definition, always has been, and will always be, between a man and a woman.

You do not help children by offering them a fraudulent mockery, and insisting that it is the same as the genuine thing that is being mocked.

Definitions change. Matter of fact gay used to mean happy.

No, definitions do not change.

They change all the time. 'Faggots' used to mean a bundle of sticks. 'Gay' used to mean happy. And legal definitions change regularly.

The idea that all definitions remain immutable and can never change is provably false.

Archaic words - Oxford Dictionaries

Why would I ignore the dictionary...and instead believe you? Why would any rational person?

 

[Skylar]

Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.

The Constitution is the highest law, in this nation, and the First Amendment is part of it. You cannot advocate such blatant disregard for it, and still credibly speak of any rule of law.

The 1st amendment doesn't mean that Christians or any religion can ignore every law. It never has. You're describing Christian Sharia, where any Christian can ignore any law they wish.

That's not our system or law.

Says who? If a conscientious Christian cant live his life according to his religion, then the 1st Amendment is less than worthless because he basically has to "drop out" of society, forcing him to become a second class citizen.

Mark

He can always move to another country then. The 1rst amendment doesnt stop you from being a christian.

If you can't live your faith, then you aren't free to practice your religion. The 1st becomes nothing more than words.

Mark

So Sharia now trumps civil law?

 

[80zephyr]

It takes a man and a woman, a father and a mother, to create a child.

That is also what it takes to comprise a functional set of parents to that child.

Um, Bob....the capacity to conceive a child isn't what makes good parents. Loving, caring for, providing for and nurturing your child is what makes good parents. All of which a same sex couple can do and an opposite sex couple can do.

Not if you believe that a child needs both genders to have a balanced upbringing.

Mark

Doesnt matter what you believe. Reality is much more credible.

You're right. Reality is much more credible. And reality created nature. And nature created the two genders so they could procreate.

Now, thats reality. Not some "made up" scenario devised by mankind.

Mark

So you are against adoption and any medical assistance for sterile couples. OK, dont' adopt and don't use fertility clinics. But don't think you can tell us what we can or cannot do based on your christian sharia.

Lol. What??

Mark

 

[Asclepias]

Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.

The Constitution is the highest law, in this nation, and the First Amendment is part of it. You cannot advocate such blatant disregard for it, and still credibly speak of any rule of law.

The 1st amendment doesn't mean that Christians or any religion can ignore every law. It never has. You're describing Christian Sharia, where any Christian can ignore any law they wish.

That's not our system or law.

Says who? If a conscientious Christian cant live his life according to his religion, then the 1st Amendment is less than worthless because he basically has to "drop out" of society, forcing him to become a second class citizen.

Mark

He can always move to another country then. The 1rst amendment doesnt stop you from being a christian.

If you can't live your faith, then you aren't free to practice your religion. The 1st becomes nothing more than words.

Mark

Sounds like you need a new country if you feel that way.

 

[mdk]

It takes a man and a woman, a father and a mother, to create a child.

That is also what it takes to comprise a functional set of parents to that child.

Um, Bob....the capacity to conceive a child isn't what makes good parents. Loving, caring for, providing for and nurturing your child is what makes good parents. All of which a same sex couple can do and an opposite sex couple can do.

Not if you believe that a child needs both genders to have a balanced upbringing.

Mark

You're free to believe that all you wish but you still can't stop gay people from raising their biological and adoptive children.

A gay couple cannot have a biological child. I don't have to "stop them". Nature does that.

Mark

Gay couples will just use the same avenue as infertile couples. You still can't do a thing about it.

 

[80zephyr]

The reason is simple: denying marriage to same sex parents doesn't help their children. As denying marriage to same sex parents doesn't magically transform them into opposite sex parents. It merely guarantees that their children never have married parents.

Which hurts those children and helps none.

There is no such thing as marriage between two people of the same sex. Marriage, by definition, always has been, and will always be, between a man and a woman.

You do not help children by offering them a fraudulent mockery, and insisting that it is the same as the genuine thing that is being mocked.

Definitions change. Matter of fact gay used to mean happy.

No, definitions do not change.

They change all the time. 'Faggots' used to mean a bundle of sticks. 'Gay' used to mean happy. And legal definitions change regularly.

The idea that all definitions remain immutable and can never change is provably false.

Archaic words - Oxford Dictionaries

Why would I ignore the dictionary...and instead believe you? Why would any rational person?

Because rational people understand that you can call a turnip a rose, but its still not a rose.

Mark

 

[Syriusly]

Another classic. Name a single church that has been forced to marry any couple, gay or otherwise, against their wishes? You can't b/c it hasn't and nor should it happen. Remember, Kim Davis isn't a church.

If present direction continues, then it will happen.

The line was crossed when bakers, photographers, and similar businesses were force by law to cater to disgusting homosexual mockeries of weddingsd.

The line was crossed when Christians were told that they didn't get to ignore the law because they suddenly discovered they were Christians when they were asked to bake a cake for a gay couple.

Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.

Then there is no freedom of religion, and America is dead.

Mark

The highest law says that there is, but those who are saying that “Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.” are not willing to allow this highest law to be obeyed. Hypocrites!

Of course we all have Freedom of Religion.

That doesn't mean you get to kill your child for disobeying you and not be sent to prison for murder because you claim it is okay because you are just following what the Bible told you.

Christians have to follow the law just like everyone else

 

[80zephyr]

The Constitution is the highest law, in this nation, and the First Amendment is part of it. You cannot advocate such blatant disregard for it, and still credibly speak of any rule of law.

The 1st amendment doesn't mean that Christians or any religion can ignore every law. It never has. You're describing Christian Sharia, where any Christian can ignore any law they wish.

That's not our system or law.

Says who? If a conscientious Christian cant live his life according to his religion, then the 1st Amendment is less than worthless because he basically has to "drop out" of society, forcing him to become a second class citizen.

Mark

He can always move to another country then. The 1rst amendment doesnt stop you from being a christian.

If you can't live your faith, then you aren't free to practice your religion. The 1st becomes nothing more than words.

Mark

Sounds like you need a new country if you feel that way.

No, what I need is for the country I am in to start following its own constitution.

Mark

 

[bodecea]

Another classic. Name a single church that has been forced to marry any couple, gay or otherwise, against their wishes? You can't b/c it hasn't and nor should it happen. Remember, Kim Davis isn't a church.

If present direction continues, then it will happen.

The line was crossed when bakers, photographers, and similar businesses were force by law to cater to disgusting homosexual mockeries of weddingsd.

The line was crossed when Christians were told that they didn't get to ignore the law because they suddenly discovered they were Christians when they were asked to bake a cake for a gay couple.

Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.

Then there is no freedom of religion, and America is dead.

Mark

If Christians are subject to the law, there is no freedom of religion?

Are Muslims equally free from any civil law? Does Sharia trump civil law?

Sharia law is not the religion of Islam.

Bakers opposed baking cakes because they believe gay marriage to be a sin. If baking a cake is not a sin, then driving the get-away car for a robbery isn't a crime either, correct?

Mark

Fascinating that you equate refusing to bake a cake as a business breaking civil business law with driving the get-away car in a robbery which is a crime punishable under criminal law.

Your inability to distinguish between the two should concern anyone who has any dealings with you in life.

 

[Asclepias]

The 1st amendment doesn't mean that Christians or any religion can ignore every law. It never has. You're describing Christian Sharia, where any Christian can ignore any law they wish.

That's not our system or law.

Says who? If a conscientious Christian cant live his life according to his religion, then the 1st Amendment is less than worthless because he basically has to "drop out" of society, forcing him to become a second class citizen.

Mark

He can always move to another country then. The 1rst amendment doesnt stop you from being a christian.

If you can't live your faith, then you aren't free to practice your religion. The 1st becomes nothing more than words.

Mark

Sounds like you need a new country if you feel that way.

No, what I need is for the country I am in to start following its own constitution.

Mark

No you need a new country. This country is following its own constitution. Your freedom of religion is confined to the boundaries set forth in law. You dont get to sacrifice people in a bon fire just because your religion says so.

 

[Skylar]

Another classic. Name a single church that has been forced to marry any couple, gay or otherwise, against their wishes? You can't b/c it hasn't and nor should it happen. Remember, Kim Davis isn't a church.

If present direction continues, then it will happen.

The line was crossed when bakers, photographers, and similar businesses were force by law to cater to disgusting homosexual mockeries of weddingsd.

The line was crossed when Christians were told that they didn't get to ignore the law because they suddenly discovered they were Christians when they were asked to bake a cake for a gay couple.

Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.

Then there is no freedom of religion, and America is dead.

Mark

The highest law says that there is, but those who are saying that “Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.” are not willing to allow this highest law to be obeyed. Hypocrites!

The 'highest law'? Which law are you referring to? If its the constitution, it never says that Christians are immune to any law they disagree with. Nor has it been practiced in such a fashion.

With the Supreme Court shooting down the idea that religion makes one immune to any law;

..To make an individual's obligation to obey such a law contingent upon the law's coincidence with his religious beliefs, except where the State's interest is 'compelling' - permitting him, by virtue of his beliefs, 'to become a law unto himself,' contradicts both constitutional tradition and common sense.' To adopt a true 'compelling interest' requirement for laws that affect religious practice would lead towards anarchy."

And wouldn't Islam just as thoroughly trump our every law if your conception of the 'highest law' were valid? Does that mean that all US law is subservient and beneath Sharia by your interpretation?

If not, why not?

 

[80zephyr]

It takes a man and a woman, a father and a mother, to create a child.

That is also what it takes to comprise a functional set of parents to that child.

Um, Bob....the capacity to conceive a child isn't what makes good parents. Loving, caring for, providing for and nurturing your child is what makes good parents. All of which a same sex couple can do and an opposite sex couple can do.

Not if you believe that a child needs both genders to have a balanced upbringing.

Mark

You're free to believe that all you wish but you still can't stop gay people from raising their biological and adoptive children.

A gay couple cannot have a biological child. I don't have to "stop them". Nature does that.

Mark

Gay couples will just use the same avenue as infertile couples. You still can't do a thing about it.

Lol. Gay couples? No such thing. One(or the other) might get pregnant, but NOT as a couple. Like I said, I don't have to "do a thing" about it. Its already done.

Mark

 

[80zephyr]

Another classic. Name a single church that has been forced to marry any couple, gay or otherwise, against their wishes? You can't b/c it hasn't and nor should it happen. Remember, Kim Davis isn't a church.

If present direction continues, then it will happen.

The line was crossed when bakers, photographers, and similar businesses were force by law to cater to disgusting homosexual mockeries of weddingsd.

The line was crossed when Christians were told that they didn't get to ignore the law because they suddenly discovered they were Christians when they were asked to bake a cake for a gay couple.

Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.

Then there is no freedom of religion, and America is dead.

Mark

The highest law says that there is, but those who are saying that “Christians have to follow the law like everyone else.” are not willing to allow this highest law to be obeyed. Hypocrites!

Of course we all have Freedom of Religion.

That doesn't mean you get to kill your child for disobeying you and not be sent to prison for murder because you claim it is okay because you are just following what the Bible told you.

Christians have to follow the law just like everyone else

Wow.

Mark

 

[bodecea]

The 1st amendment doesn't mean that Christians or any religion can ignore every law. It never has. You're describing Christian Sharia, where any Christian can ignore any law they wish.

That's not our system or law.

Says who? If a conscientious Christian cant live his life according to his religion, then the 1st Amendment is less than worthless because he basically has to "drop out" of society, forcing him to become a second class citizen.

Mark

He can always move to another country then. The 1rst amendment doesnt stop you from being a christian.

If you can't live your faith, then you aren't free to practice your religion. The 1st becomes nothing more than words.

Mark

Sounds like you need a new country if you feel that way.

No, what I need is for the country I am in to start following its own constitution.

Mark

And what country would that be....because in the United States, it's called the Constitution.....not constitution. Ours is the first written and still the greatest.