Poll: Should Trump accept a plea deal or risk a trial?

[Foolardi]

Espionage is a stretch. Presidential records ALL fall under the PRA without exception. So says AG Whitaker.
All the charges Smith posted have fines, so if Trump pays the fines, pleads guilty to "carelessly handling classified documents" (like Hillary did) then Trump can get back to running.

Keep in mind that this belligerent Indictment is w/o merit or law.
No President has ever been guilty of this Presidential Records
act.But Hillary the Shrew sure has.Plus a Potus is the person In Charge
of the Executive branch.And yes calls the shots regarding classified
documentation while Potus.Not some goddamed National Archivist.
Which again is funny odd.That Barack Obama's very first
EO { Executive order},isued within 24 hrs of being sworn-in
On January 21 2009 EO 13489 dealt with the National Archivist
having the responsibility to STOP and disallow any attempts to
research ANY Obama records.From his Kindergarten application
to all Travel documents,schoolings and pertinent activities.
And of course his Social Security number and drivers license
and even college { if using any college loans }.
That is why No american ever managed to get Obama in court
to ask questions about his Birth status.His Father was not a citizen of
the U.S. So they drummed up this silly Native-born argument instead
Natural born to pave the way for silly argumenation because there
was a conspicuous lack of documentation regarding Barack Obama
domestic birth.

 

[WorldWatcher]

So he can run for President but can't vote?

Under indictment he can both run and vote.

If convicted of a Felony, then under Florida law he could barred from voting until all provisions of his sentence are complete (including incarcaration, payment of fines, and parole time). Once all provisions are done, then voting franchise is automatically restored.

WW

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I was partially wrong. Trump can hold office if convicted on the NY state felonies or the documents case.

If he is convicted, however, of an insurgency charge on J6 specs, he would be barred.

 

[Foolardi]

No it's not weightless. It is however my opinion based on reading the law. : shrug : I could be wrong, I could be right.

If we were acquaintances IRL, I'd bet you a six-pack of Smithwicks (Irish Red Ale) that as a result of the DocGates proceedings if he is found guilty, it would not be a basis for barring him from office under the United States Code.

(The J6 proceedings will be a different matter depending on how they are charged, but we'll have to wait on that.)

WW

Firstly this Indictment charge does not go into detail.It's a
basic summary.Plus it was generated to stack counts all around
to make seem more lawfull.Even those 5 counts where 20 years
is the penalty was spread around.

 

[kyzr]

Keep in mind that this belligerent Indictment is w/o merit or law.
No President has ever been guilty of this Presidential Records
act.But Hillary the Shrew sure has.Plus a Potus is the person In Charge
of the Executive branch.And yes calls the shots regarding classified
documentation while Potus.Not some goddamed National Archivist.
Which again is funny odd.That Barack Obama's very first
EO { Executive order},isued within 24 hrs of being sworn-in
On January 21 2009 EO 13489 dealt with the National Archivist
having the responsibility to STOP and disallow any attempts to
research ANY Obama records.From his Kindergarten application
to all Travel documents,schools and pertinent activities.
And of course his Social Security number and drivers license
and even college { if using any college loans }.
That is why No American ever managed to get Obama in court
to ask questions about his Birth status.His Father was not a citizen of
the U.S. So they drummed up this silly Native-born argument instead
Natural born to pave the way for silly argumentation because there
was a conspicuous lack of documentation regarding Barack Obama
domestic birth.

AG Barr just said that Trump is toast.
The stupid fuck just didn't get that being president has legal restrictions regarding classified material.
Obama was the 1st black president, his record stands as it is, who cares?

The problem is that the DOJ is persecuting Trump, but gives Biden a pass on his obvious crimes.

 

[kyzr]

Under indictment he can both run and vote.
If convicted of a Felony, then under Florida law he could barred from voting until all provisions of his sentence are complete (including incarcaration, payment of fines, and parole time). Once all provisions are done, then voting franchise is automatically restored.
WW

Trump's attorney said Trump would never accept a plea deal.

AG Barr said Trump is toast.

We'll see how this shakes out, but if Trump is as stupid as he now seems, he will die in prison unless pardoned by the next president.

 

[kyzr]

I was partially wrong. Trump can hold office if convicted on the NY state felonies or the documents case.
If he is convicted, however, of an insurgency charge on J6 specs, he would be barred.

Since when has he been indicted on insurgency?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Since when has he been indicted on insurgency?

Be aware you have a cognitive issue if you asked such a question.

Look up "conditional."

 

[Foolardi]

I was partially wrong. Trump can hold office if convicted on the NY state felonies or the documents case.

If he is convicted, however, of an insurgency charge on J6 specs, he would be barred.

Did you hear the one where Miss All Black garb { Rachel Maddow } wrote
some piece questioning whether Trump could agree to withdraw his name
from running for President in exchange for dropping all the
Jack the Smith 37 { and counting | charges.

 

[Foolardi]

Be aware you have a cognitive issue if you asked such a question.

Look up "conditional."

I got a better one.Look about Obama's Birth status.Or when he
finally got around to explaining how He { and Michelle } managed
to Pay for their college educations.They both took their sweet time
explaining it.Like not until about 2nd or was it 3rd year of his
2nd term.
Real troupers them two were.Real trustworthy.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

... which has nothing to do with Trump.

 

[Foolardi]

... which has nothing to do with Trump.

Um ... Is this about Trump OR ... The Rule of Law.
Again ,,, funny odd.That inexplicably the most recognized name
and personage of Donald Trump has no History { None } in
breaking the Law.I don't think he even has a Misdomeanor charge.
Yet ... The scumbags in our Country are feverishly forcing upon the
Electorate the idea that Trump is a Law breaker.
That is Tyranny.
What they do in Banana Republics,
But You'all knew dat ... right.
So either your Scumbags Plus Unamerican Lying Frauds or worse.
But their ain't a word for worse.

 

[kyzr]

Be aware you have a cognitive issue if you asked such a question.
Look up "conditional."

So you lied. Thanks for playing.

 

[HaShev]

I've been listening to various legal experts on CNN and MSNBC talk about how strong and tight the Jack Smith indictment is. Many of them think Trump should seriously consider a plea deal - if one is offered. I think a plea would be better for Trump - but I'd rather see a trial. What do you think?

Read the full indictment here.

Because of the President's privileges, it's a mere civil case not a criminal one, if anything this will add criminal charges to the DOJ handling and cause them obstruction charges-boomerang!
I think a judge drops the case because it eas brought forth ignorant of the law in this instance. By the way, don't get your law advice from 2 channels that have been wrong 100% of the time and breaking the law themselves

 

[WorldWatcher]

We'll see how this shakes out, but if Trump is as stupid as he now seems, he will die in prison unless pardoned by the next president.

He'll never see the inside of a prison. At worst any detention provisions of a sentence will be commuted to house arrest at his country club with an ankle monitor. The interesting part will be how the Secret Service would factor into such a result. Would they prevent unauthorized travel? Would they allow it as his detail, but feel compelled to report it to the US Marshals? Even house arrest opens can's of worms that have never been encountered before.

(BTW - Funny part is the golf links aren't at MAL.)

WW

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So you lied. Thanks for playing.

Unlike you, I never lie. I was wrong and admitted it. You lie all the time, and get your butt paddled.

Hey, try this: Trump should argue the but Hillary defense.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

One must believe it though.

That conservatives try to ignore the facts and evidence of the indictment documenting Trump’s crimes is yet another manifestation of the right’s dishonesty.

 

[Foolardi]

Trump's attorney said Trump would never accept a plea deal.

AG Barr said Trump is toast.

We'll see how this shakes out, but if Trump is as stupid as he now seems, he will die in prison unless pardoned by the next president.

One need go back and understand that Porky Face Barr is a
Buddy to those like Mueller.Plus he's a Fat coward.Lives to play it
safe.That's what this is.Trump doesn't know how to play safe.
Some Guys are like that.I doubt Clark Gable ever played is safe.
Or even Errol Flynn in his prime.
I need the Barr quote using the word " Toast " in relations to Trump.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

If Foolardi is right, Trump will be going to die in prison.

 

[Foolardi]

That conservatives try to ignore the facts and evidence of the indictment documenting Trump’s crimes is yet another manifestation of the right’s dishonesty.

Yet Hillary and Comey are just as clean or more than
whatever driven snow falls.
Same basic insane drivel by unamerican creeps.
Trump may have a boasting Big mouth but he ain't
no creep.