Portland truck attack suspect arrested

[Ghost of a Rider]

Quite possible that the DA will drop the charges. They've dropped a lot of charges against this lot.

Most of what is dropped are minor things that they can't really make stick, like disorderly conduct. Assault like this is a whole 'other level. It's like what happened in Charlottesville - a lot of the violence ended up not being prosecuted, but the guy that drove the truck into the crowd most certainly will be prosecuted. I think for the minor stuff - getting thrown in jail for the night is traumatic enough to make a lasting impression for many.

Does anyone have an update on the condition of that guy anyway? He should have not tried to reason with those people. You can't...unless you bend the knee...

He's okay. He was out of the hospital the next day but with two black eyes.

Frankly, he's lucky it wasn't worse. My niece has a longtime friend whose husband just died recently at the age of thirty five in a golf cart accident. They were out on the road at night fooling around and I believe the cart went off the road. Somehow or other he hit his head in just the right right place with just the right force that he was unable to recover.

The asshole Love tweeted later that he might go to jail for murder and seemed to make light of it. The fucking puke has no idea how close it was.

 

[iceberg]

This is manifestly untrue, especially in regards to looting. Violence is what? Taking to the streets without a permit? Burning or overturning a garbage can? Throwing a firecracker? Official BLM protests at least don’t bring guns into state capitols!

How about a Portland City Council that AIDS AND ABETS 90 nights of violent arsonists terrorizing any street they choose to pick and DEMANDING their police force NOT be in the vicinity to enforce public safety..

That isn’t accurate. The protests are largely confined to a 4 by 6 block area, in a city that is 145 sq miles in size.

And yes, is past time for it to be broken up and And participants to be sent home to work on political solutions instead of what has become senseless violence.

it started off senseless violence.

 

[beagle9]

.....don't be fooled by the stupid shit like BLM is peaceful/he doesn't represent BLM/etc
..that other BLM bitch who's son was shooting at people, and the cops killed him, said all that VIOLENT crap about cops
..BLM want's to KILL whites

BLM Anti-Trump Protest In Seattle: ‘We Need To Start Killing People’

During an anti-Trump protest in Seattle, an activist associated with the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement took to the megaphone to voice her support for, among other things,

dailycaller.com

..BLM said looting was ok
blacks are sympathetic to this BASTARD/looting/violence

THIS is BLM--violent/etc AND they have no argument--their reason for protesting is idiotic

Yes it's idiotic, and it goes way deeper than the George Floyd incident. It's become about skin color instead of being about character, and that's as idiotic as it gets.

This idea that has been created that people hate people just because of their skin color is the most ridiculous idea or thing ever.

A person that is oppressed, abused, exploited or etc, has to have a character or personality that allows for these types of things to happen to them. It's not because of their color.

"Their skin color has nothing to do with it", and if they think so then maybe they can enlighten us on that point.

Now it is very interesting that people of a same color, somehow showed up in mass either getting exploited, abused and oppressed by those of other color's who had bad character be it black or white, and for whom did this to them....At various times in history these character's would do such a thing for whatever reason's they had for doing it (using people or forcing people to be servants etc), but it was never about a person's color that it was being done, but rather it was what they had found within these poor souls that allowed for them to do these things to them at the time's it in which it was being done to them...

Then we see next those of the same color showing up in mass in an attempt to protest what other's had done to them, for whom at various times throughout the world (these oppressors and exploiters of people's who were of various colors), had shown bad character in which allowed for them to act in these ways in order to exploit or abuse another for various reasonings around the world.... Such protest are good as long as they are peaceful and intelligently done. This shows great character, and a character that has truly overcome it's oppressors and abusers in life.

It all (back in the more primitive times), was to be based upon the character findings in those they wished to use or abuse in these ways, and those findings yes were based upon the targets character's or desperation in their characters that allowed for them to be exploited or abused due to their weaknesses that for whatever reason's existed, and therefore it was not instead because of their skin color's in which would be totally ridiculous..

Not understanding this opens the doors up to further abuse and exploitation by those who at times might try to suggest such things as skin color is somehow a problem in the world. We here in America have made great progress in the understanding of these things, and we have since educated and built the characters up in the generations of those who had once been exploited and used in mass for unjustified reasoning. Those bad ignorant times have since passed, and yet we have now a situation where groups want to suggest that no progress has been made, and that we are still the same folks as our ancestors or other's were around the world over 200 years ago. Some around the world today, are still practicing these things, and that ain't good.

Now we know better of course, but why do they try us in these ways today ??? Is it actually that we have become weakened so much in our own character's, that they now see opportunity to take advantage of that ??? Can they become that which they have hated in history ? Yes they can. It see's no respect of person's this type of character that it is. It's likened to the corona virus, where it can infiltrate, and destroy if one doesn't take heed to it's danger's and symptoms.

Folks, it's because of people's choices, character's, lifestyle's or culture that allows for bad things to happen to them if they choose wrong in life, and it's definitely not because of their skin color that allowed for things to happen to them.

Many know this to be true, but they are being drowned out by a perfect storm that was created by groups merging together to create chaos and anarchy based upon a perceived notion that they are going backwards in time instead of going forward. Now who in power is causing this, otherwise by lies and false teachings being told, and why ???? That's what needs to be gotten to the bottom of, and it needs to be gotten to the bottom of Now.

Martin Luther King knew this truth about people, and that's why he added character as the reason a person succeeds, and not by a person's skin color do they succeed or should they succeed as to be based upon one's skin color. He longed for a day, and that day came for the million's that he preached too, but somehow his words are being destroyed along with his dream by evil forces in the world. We must stand with King's vision in those words spoken, because how true they were, how true they were.

If we have a Globalist intervention going on, then we should shut this nation down to the world until we get that straightened out. Trump recognises this, and that's what the globalist hate about him. The world has a vision along with our domestic traitor's within in which puts us on a path to global servitude, communism, socialism and etc. This is our nation (all American Patriots black and white), and we should immediately take it back from the traitor's within and from the globalist without.

Our resources are our resources, and they shouldn't be eyeballing them for global theft.

 

[beagle9]

That isn’t accurate. The protests are largely confined to a 4 by 6 block area, in a city that is 145 sq miles in size.

Can't be.. They hit the streets for 90 nights now.. I know there's an ICE facility, multiple Starbucks, a police station, the police records dept, etc... Too many targets involved..

Local TV news in Portland put that together.. Along with the following story,..

Portland police: More than 500 arrests since May; 17 protests declared riots - KTVZ

Portland police said Thursday they have declared a riot 17 times and arrested a total of more than 500 people during nightly demonstrations throughout the city that began in late May following the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

ktvz.com

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Portland police said Thursday they have declared a riot 17 times and arrested a total of more than 500 people during nightly demonstrations throughout the city that began in late May following the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

Data released by the Portland Police Bureau showed fires were set by protesters on 41 of the 83 nights of protest, acts of vandalism were committed on 49 nights, and projectiles were thrown during at least 58 nights.

Well then, I was wrong.

No way, you wrong ??

 

[Uncensored2008]

Probably something stupid like a Twinkie defense or the spoiled by wealth defense...seriously though I hope he has to do some serious long term restorative justice in addition to prison.

I thought you supported the Klan?

Marquise Lee Love was at a Klan rally wearing BLM garb - this was a Klan action top to bottom.

Do you openly and publicly condemn the Black Lives Matter Klan?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Most of what is dropped are minor things that they can't really make stick, like disorderly conduct.

Well that, and murder, rape, burglary, arson. George Soros' "Open Society" has put terrorists like Kim Foxx into positions of power to rape lady justic.

Assault like this is a whole 'other level. It's like what happened in Charlottesville - a lot of the violence ended up not being prosecuted, but the guy that drove the truck into the crowd most certainly will be prosecuted. I think for the minor stuff - getting thrown in jail for the night is traumatic enough to make a lasting impression for many.

Assault like this is an everyday occurrence with the Klan and the Brown Shirts. This isn't the first time democrat terrorists pulled people from cars - it isn't even the first time this month. democrats have the Klan and ANTIFA to spread terror, but they are just the front line troops, the REAL terrorists are the democrat party themselves.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Perhaps partly motivated by media coverage of the attack described in the OP, clashes yesterday occurred between rightwing “Proud Boys” (and others) vs. the supporters of BLM and various Antifa activists in downtown Portland. This has created a yet more dangerous kind of political theatre. Luckily nobody was seriously hurt or killed. Oregon as a whole has strongly conservative areas, particularly in its more rural East. In Portland, however, Republicans only managed to get between 5-6% in the recent primary vote and have no chance to replace the mayor in November elections. The Democratic incumbent mayor will probably be re-elected, though his policy toward demonstrations may change if more serious clashes occur or the demonstrations continue unabated. Here is a PBC report on the short one day of clashes:

Protesters fight using pepper spray, baseball bats in Portland on Saturday

Protesters at Portland rallies to support police and show support for President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign engaged in physical combat repeatedly with counterprotesters Saturday without police intervention. Members of the chaotic crowd used an array of weapons, including baseball bats and...

www.opb.org

 

[Uncensored2008]

Portland clashes yesterday occurred between rightwing “Proud Boys” (and others) vs. the supporters of BLM and various Antifa activists. This has created a yet more dangerous kind of political theatre. Luckily nobody was seriously hurt or killed. Oregon as a whole has strongly conservative areas, particularly in its more rural East. In Portland, however, Republicans only managed to get between 5-6% in the recent primary vote and have no chance to replace the mayor in November elections. The Democratic incumbent mayor will probably be re-elected, though his policy toward demonstrations may change if more serious clashes occur or the demonstrations continue unabated. Here is a PBC report on the short one day of clashes:

Protesters fight using pepper spray, baseball bats in Portland on Saturday

Protesters at Portland rallies to support police and show support for President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign engaged in physical combat repeatedly with counterprotesters Saturday without police intervention. Members of the chaotic crowd used an array of weapons, including baseball bats and...

www.opb.org

So no one should stand up to the Klan.

No one was seriously hurt or killed BECAUSE the Proud Boys kept the peace that the police REFUSE to keep. The Klan is EXTREMELY violent, patriots like the Proud Boys backing down the democrat terrorists is the ONLY answer, since the police refuse to.

 

[beagle9]

Most of what is dropped are minor things that they can't really make stick, like disorderly conduct.

Well that, and murder, rape, burglary, arson. George Soros' "Open Society" has put terrorists like Kim Foxx into positions of power to rape lady justic.

Assault like this is a whole 'other level. It's like what happened in Charlottesville - a lot of the violence ended up not being prosecuted, but the guy that drove the truck into the crowd most certainly will be prosecuted. I think for the minor stuff - getting thrown in jail for the night is traumatic enough to make a lasting impression for many.

Assault like this is an everyday occurrence with the Klan and the Brown Shirts. This isn't the first time democrat terrorists pulled people from cars - it isn't even the first time this month. democrats have the Klan and ANTIFA to spread terror, but they are just the front line troops, the REAL terrorists are the democrat party themselves.

 

[beagle9]

Good stuff here....

 

[Coyote]

westwall...are we talking about two different things?

Self defense (or immediate defense of another)...

Or..taking the law into your own hands and meting out justice?

Because imo those are two different things. The first, I agree with you on and the law recognizes it as valid. That is not vigilantism.

Vigilantism begins with self defense. When the State refuses to defend the people, the people are going to defends themselves. Then, if the State CONTINUES to do nothing, the vigilantes will mete out justice. They will do so under control however. Your interpretation of vigilante justice is completely wrong. In all the cases in the west where it was used, the accused was duly tried, had a jury determine guilt, and then was summarily hanged for the crimes they were convicted of. The vigilantes rose up ONLY as a last resort.

They then disbanded. That was true in all cases. Unlike what progressives claim, the regular people are not the bloodthirsty mob you claim them to be. They are NOT the BLM assholes who are doing exactly that! That sort of behavior is a LEFTIST thing. Not a normal human being thing.

I don’t agree...while I agree with you on self defense, I can never condone vigilantism. It is lawlessness at best, and caused the deaths of thousands at worst. It is mob justice.

What do you think is going to happen when the rioters continue to wreak havoc without consequence. Human nature tells us that if they suffer no consequences, they will escalate. How many murders do they have to commit before you start paying attention?

Who says it is without consequence? Most of this is occurring in a very small areas (though the RW media insists entire cities are burning and people everywhere being murdered) - worst have been charged and will be prosecuted. The man who pulled the guy from his car and attacked him is in jail (and apparently has a record of prior violence).

Shooting is not an acceptable consequence for disorderly conduct.

No, it's not. This assault on common decency is ripping the heart out of at least four major cities. It is a LIE that the rioting is small and localised. Portland's downtown is shuttered, the same for Seattle and Minneapolis, and significant parts of New York as well.

This is not localized. Why do you perpetuate these lies? Anyone can look at the THOUSANDS of videos being posted up, every day, and see what is really happening. You have to be willfully ignorant, and only watch CNN to be this misinformed.

I never watch CNN. I do not have cable. I do not use twitter, instagram, nor do I derive my news from FB.

Videos don't tell a whole story, and can often be used to perpetrate a lie. I see the point with Portland (though I will further research it - for instance - where did that map of arson come from? Is that all arsons for that period of time? Or, just those related to protests? What is the timeline - for instance were there many at the start and then they dwindled? How widespread is it NOW? Why doesn't anyone ask questions?

If people are mostly videoing and virally spreading only the violent clashes, and ignoring the (boring) mostly peaceful ones, then doesn't that perpetrate a false sense of what is going on?

Who's agenda is at stake perpetrating THAT? How can you get facts? Are agitators from both sides trying to hijack these movements to start a war? According to the FBI many protests involve outside elements. And them...there is what is going on online. But we're so dug down into left/right we could be failing to see larger patterns.

Here is an article from 7/28/2020 illustrating how both sides are using this to their advantage.

The Portland Protests Are a War Zoneâbut Only on the Internet

What's happening in the streets isn't what you're seeing in the tweets.

www.wired.com

Protests in Portland following the killing of Floyd, an unarmed Black man who died in the custody of Minneapolis police in May, had dwindled to maybe 100 peaceful demonstrators per night before President Trump sent federal agents to the city, ostensibly to protect US government property.

Trump and his backers assert that the deployments are necessary to curb unrest in cities that have become anarchic war zones. You’d be hard-pressed to prove that’s true in Portland if you bothered to look anywhere but Lownsdale Square at midnight. (The only disruptive anarchists in my neighborhood are the crows in my garden.) If any widespread, persistent Portland protest war zone does exist, it isn’t in physical space at all. It’s online.

Anything that happens during a Portland protest happens in front of at least one camera and will end up on the internet. The crowd is full of smartphones. Men in press helmets climb up streetlights with expensive rigs to get a better view. People at the protest pulled up livestreams to see what was happening at the front of the crowd, squinting to see if the Feds had left their fortress yet. The federal agents watched those livestreams too. Ergo, anything that happens at a Portland protest is meme fodder and a chance for good or bad online PR.


So tell me again how accurate videos are? When I said that the Portland Protests were mostly confined to one area - it was true. By the time Trump decided to send in his militia - it was Lowesten Square. It was winding down.

 

[beagle9]

Perhaps partly motivated by media coverage of the attack described in the OP, clashes yesterday occurred between rightwing “Proud Boys” (and others) vs. the supporters of BLM and various Antifa activists in downtown Portland. This has created a yet more dangerous kind of political theatre. Luckily nobody was seriously hurt or killed. Oregon as a whole has strongly conservative areas, particularly in its more rural East. In Portland, however, Republicans only managed to get between 5-6% in the recent primary vote and have no chance to replace the mayor in November elections. The Democratic incumbent mayor will probably be re-elected, though his policy toward demonstrations may change if more serious clashes occur or the demonstrations continue unabated. Here is a PBC report on the short one day of clashes:

Protesters fight using pepper spray, baseball bats in Portland on Saturday

Protesters at Portland rallies to support police and show support for President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign engaged in physical combat repeatedly with counterprotesters Saturday without police intervention. Members of the chaotic crowd used an array of weapons, including baseball bats and...

www.opb.org

The mayor's position might change ??? Are you kidding me ??? That attitude right there is a major flaw with the Democrat party right now. It shows the character of the Democrat party, and it's definitely flawed big time.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

So no one should stand up to the Klan.

Thank you for your wrong, misleading, and uninformed remark concerning the KKK, which so far as I know was not openly demonstrating in Portland yesterday. If it had been, it would certainly have been targeted by Antifa and BLM demonstrators.

If some Oregon Klansmen came openly with both Confederate and American flags, would they have been accepted into the car caravans organized by the “Proud Boys”?

I don’t know the answer to that question myself.

 

[beagle9]

westwall...are we talking about two different things?

Self defense (or immediate defense of another)...

Or..taking the law into your own hands and meting out justice?

Because imo those are two different things. The first, I agree with you on and the law recognizes it as valid. That is not vigilantism.

Vigilantism begins with self defense. When the State refuses to defend the people, the people are going to defends themselves. Then, if the State CONTINUES to do nothing, the vigilantes will mete out justice. They will do so under control however. Your interpretation of vigilante justice is completely wrong. In all the cases in the west where it was used, the accused was duly tried, had a jury determine guilt, and then was summarily hanged for the crimes they were convicted of. The vigilantes rose up ONLY as a last resort.

They then disbanded. That was true in all cases. Unlike what progressives claim, the regular people are not the bloodthirsty mob you claim them to be. They are NOT the BLM assholes who are doing exactly that! That sort of behavior is a LEFTIST thing. Not a normal human being thing.

I don’t agree...while I agree with you on self defense, I can never condone vigilantism. It is lawlessness at best, and caused the deaths of thousands at worst. It is mob justice.

What do you think is going to happen when the rioters continue to wreak havoc without consequence. Human nature tells us that if they suffer no consequences, they will escalate. How many murders do they have to commit before you start paying attention?

Who says it is without consequence? Most of this is occurring in a very small areas (though the RW media insists entire cities are burning and people everywhere being murdered) - worst have been charged and will be prosecuted. The man who pulled the guy from his car and attacked him is in jail (and apparently has a record of prior violence).

Shooting is not an acceptable consequence for disorderly conduct.

No, it's not. This assault on common decency is ripping the heart out of at least four major cities. It is a LIE that the rioting is small and localised. Portland's downtown is shuttered, the same for Seattle and Minneapolis, and significant parts of New York as well.

This is not localized. Why do you perpetuate these lies? Anyone can look at the THOUSANDS of videos being posted up, every day, and see what is really happening. You have to be willfully ignorant, and only watch CNN to be this misinformed.

I never watch CNN. I do not have cable. I do not use twitter, instagram, nor do I derive my news from FB.

Videos don't tell a whole story, and can often be used to perpetrate a lie. I see the point with Portland (though I will further research it - for instance - where did that map of arson come from? Is that all arsons for that period of time? Or, just those related to protests? What is the timeline - for instance were there many at the start and then they dwindled? How widespread is it NOW? Why doesn't anyone ask questions?

If people are mostly videoing and virally spreading only the violent clashes, and ignoring the (boring) mostly peaceful ones, then doesn't that perpetrate a false sense of what is going on?

Who's agenda is at stake perpetrating THAT? How can you get facts? Are agitators from both sides trying to hijack these movements to start a war? According to the FBI many protests involve outside elements. And them...there is what is going on online. But we're so dug down into left/right we could be failing to see larger patterns.

Here is an article from 7/28/2020 illustrating how both sides are using this to their advantage.

The Portland Protests Are a War Zoneâbut Only on the Internet

What's happening in the streets isn't what you're seeing in the tweets.

www.wired.com

Protests in Portland following the killing of Floyd, an unarmed Black man who died in the custody of Minneapolis police in May, had dwindled to maybe 100 peaceful demonstrators per night before President Trump sent federal agents to the city, ostensibly to protect US government property.

Trump and his backers assert that the deployments are necessary to curb unrest in cities that have become anarchic war zones. You’d be hard-pressed to prove that’s true in Portland if you bothered to look anywhere but Lownsdale Square at midnight. (The only disruptive anarchists in my neighborhood are the crows in my garden.) If any widespread, persistent Portland protest war zone does exist, it isn’t in physical space at all. It’s online.

Anything that happens during a Portland protest happens in front of at least one camera and will end up on the internet. The crowd is full of smartphones. Men in press helmets climb up streetlights with expensive rigs to get a better view. People at the protest pulled up livestreams to see what was happening at the front of the crowd, squinting to see if the Feds had left their fortress yet. The federal agents watched those livestreams too. Ergo, anything that happens at a Portland protest is meme fodder and a chance for good or bad online PR.


So tell me again how accurate videos are? When I said that the Portland Protests were mostly confined to one area - it was true. By the time Trump decided to send in his militia - it was Lowesten Square. It was winding down.

Attempting to separate yourself now eh ??? To late, you've defended enough bullcrap to show your position on things.

 

[Coyote]

ccxz

westwall...are we talking about two different things?

Self defense (or immediate defense of another)...

Or..taking the law into your own hands and meting out justice?

Because imo those are two different things. The first, I agree with you on and the law recognizes it as valid. That is not vigilantism.

Vigilantism begins with self defense. When the State refuses to defend the people, the people are going to defends themselves. Then, if the State CONTINUES to do nothing, the vigilantes will mete out justice. They will do so under control however. Your interpretation of vigilante justice is completely wrong. In all the cases in the west where it was used, the accused was duly tried, had a jury determine guilt, and then was summarily hanged for the crimes they were convicted of. The vigilantes rose up ONLY as a last resort.

They then disbanded. That was true in all cases. Unlike what progressives claim, the regular people are not the bloodthirsty mob you claim them to be. They are NOT the BLM assholes who are doing exactly that! That sort of behavior is a LEFTIST thing. Not a normal human being thing.

I don’t agree...while I agree with you on self defense, I can never condone vigilantism. It is lawlessness at best, and caused the deaths of thousands at worst. It is mob justice.

What do you think is going to happen when the rioters continue to wreak havoc without consequence. Human nature tells us that if they suffer no consequences, they will escalate. How many murders do they have to commit before you start paying attention?

Who says it is without consequence? Most of this is occurring in a very small areas (though the RW media insists entire cities are burning and people everywhere being murdered) - worst have been charged and will be prosecuted. The man who pulled the guy from his car and attacked him is in jail (and apparently has a record of prior violence).

Shooting is not an acceptable consequence for disorderly conduct.

No, it's not. This assault on common decency is ripping the heart out of at least four major cities. It is a LIE that the rioting is small and localised. Portland's downtown is shuttered, the same for Seattle and Minneapolis, and significant parts of New York as well.

This is not localized. Why do you perpetuate these lies? Anyone can look at the THOUSANDS of videos being posted up, every day, and see what is really happening. You have to be willfully ignorant, and only watch CNN to be this misinformed.

I never watch CNN. I do not have cable. I do not use twitter, instagram, nor do I derive my news from FB.

Videos don't tell a whole story, and can often be used to perpetrate a lie. I see the point with Portland (though I will further research it - for instance - where did that map of arson come from? Is that all arsons for that period of time? Or, just those related to protests? What is the timeline - for instance were there many at the start and then they dwindled? How widespread is it NOW? Why doesn't anyone ask questions?

If people are mostly videoing and virally spreading only the violent clashes, and ignoring the (boring) mostly peaceful ones, then doesn't that perpetrate a false sense of what is going on?

Who's agenda is at stake perpetrating THAT? How can you get facts? Are agitators from both sides trying to hijack these movements to start a war? According to the FBI many protests involve outside elements. And them...there is what is going on online. But we're so dug down into left/right we could be failing to see larger patterns.

Here is an article from 7/28/2020 illustrating how both sides are using this to their advantage.

The Portland Protests Are a War Zoneâbut Only on the Internet

What's happening in the streets isn't what you're seeing in the tweets.

www.wired.com

Protests in Portland following the killing of Floyd, an unarmed Black man who died in the custody of Minneapolis police in May, had dwindled to maybe 100 peaceful demonstrators per night before President Trump sent federal agents to the city, ostensibly to protect US government property.

Trump and his backers assert that the deployments are necessary to curb unrest in cities that have become anarchic war zones. You’d be hard-pressed to prove that’s true in Portland if you bothered to look anywhere but Lownsdale Square at midnight. (The only disruptive anarchists in my neighborhood are the crows in my garden.) If any widespread, persistent Portland protest war zone does exist, it isn’t in physical space at all. It’s online.

Anything that happens during a Portland protest happens in front of at least one camera and will end up on the internet. The crowd is full of smartphones. Men in press helmets climb up streetlights with expensive rigs to get a better view. People at the protest pulled up livestreams to see what was happening at the front of the crowd, squinting to see if the Feds had left their fortress yet. The federal agents watched those livestreams too. Ergo, anything that happens at a Portland protest is meme fodder and a chance for good or bad online PR.


So tell me again how accurate videos are? When I said that the Portland Protests were mostly confined to one area - it was true. By the time Trump decided to send in his militia - it was Lowesten Square. It was winding down.

Attempting to separate yourself now eh ??? To late, you've defended enough bullcrap to show your position on things.

Say what you want, it's a free country.

 

[Coyote]

That isn’t accurate. The protests are largely confined to a 4 by 6 block area, in a city that is 145 sq miles in size.

Can't be.. They hit the streets for 90 nights now.. I know there's an ICE facility, multiple Starbucks, a police station, the police records dept, etc... Too many targets involved..

Local TV news in Portland put that together.. Along with the following story,..

Portland police: More than 500 arrests since May; 17 protests declared riots - KTVZ

Portland police said Thursday they have declared a riot 17 times and arrested a total of more than 500 people during nightly demonstrations throughout the city that began in late May following the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

ktvz.com

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Portland police said Thursday they have declared a riot 17 times and arrested a total of more than 500 people during nightly demonstrations throughout the city that began in late May following the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

Data released by the Portland Police Bureau showed fires were set by protesters on 41 of the 83 nights of protest, acts of vandalism were committed on 49 nights, and projectiles were thrown during at least 58 nights.

Well then, I was wrong.

No way, you wrong ??

We all can be wrong.

 

[Coyote]

Quite possible that the DA will drop the charges. They've dropped a lot of charges against this lot.

Most of what is dropped are minor things that they can't really make stick, like disorderly conduct. Assault like this is a whole 'other level. It's like what happened in Charlottesville - a lot of the violence ended up not being prosecuted, but the guy that drove the truck into the crowd most certainly will be prosecuted. I think for the minor stuff - getting thrown in jail for the night is traumatic enough to make a lasting impression for many.

Jail for a night is traumatic enough ??? What are we talking about here "children" ???? Ever seen children this destructive ??

I bet if you were being beaten by one of these children, your whole perspective on the seriousness of what they are capable of would change. You would be like that Mayor in Chicago (not at my house they don't), while watching the little turds get vengence on those you personally hate in life.

I think I specifically said "minor offenses" and listed stuff like disorderly conduct. I also specifically said assault, such as what happened to this man, is a whole 'other level. It's up there. In the post you apparently did not read. So why are you mischaracterizing this?

For the average person, as opposed to a habitual criminal - taken into police custody, and put in jail IS TRAUMATIC, and makes a lasting impression. Ask someone who has been through it for the first time. You don't have to use the Big Guns on every little thing.

 

[Coyote]

Quite possible that the DA will drop the charges. They've dropped a lot of charges against this lot.

Most of what is dropped are minor things that they can't really make stick, like disorderly conduct. Assault like this is a whole 'other level. It's like what happened in Charlottesville - a lot of the violence ended up not being prosecuted, but the guy that drove the truck into the crowd most certainly will be prosecuted. I think for the minor stuff - getting thrown in jail for the night is traumatic enough to make a lasting impression for many.

Does anyone have an update on the condition of that guy anyway? He should have not tried to reason with those people. You can't...unless you bend the knee...

He's okay. He was out of the hospital the next day but with two black eyes.

Frankly, he's lucky it wasn't worse. My niece has a longtime friend whose husband just died recently at the age of thirty five in a golf cart accident. They were out on the road at night fooling around and I believe the cart went off the road. Somehow or other he hit his head in just the right right place with just the right force that he was unable to recover.

The asshole Love tweeted later that he might go to jail for murder and seemed to make light of it. The fucking puke has no idea how close it was.

Love (what a name) also has a record of assault (I think domestic assault) - he's far from a stellar character to begin with. Hope he loses his job as a security guard - we don't need people like that in that business.

 

[Uncensored2008]

westwall...are we talking about two different things?

Self defense (or immediate defense of another)...

Or..taking the law into your own hands and meting out justice?

Because imo those are two different things. The first, I agree with you on and the law recognizes it as valid. That is not vigilantism.

Vigilantism begins with self defense. When the State refuses to defend the people, the people are going to defends themselves. Then, if the State CONTINUES to do nothing, the vigilantes will mete out justice. They will do so under control however. Your interpretation of vigilante justice is completely wrong. In all the cases in the west where it was used, the accused was duly tried, had a jury determine guilt, and then was summarily hanged for the crimes they were convicted of. The vigilantes rose up ONLY as a last resort.

They then disbanded. That was true in all cases. Unlike what progressives claim, the regular people are not the bloodthirsty mob you claim them to be. They are NOT the BLM assholes who are doing exactly that! That sort of behavior is a LEFTIST thing. Not a normal human being thing.

I don’t agree...while I agree with you on self defense, I can never condone vigilantism. It is lawlessness at best, and caused the deaths of thousands at worst. It is mob justice.

What do you think is going to happen when the rioters continue to wreak havoc without consequence. Human nature tells us that if they suffer no consequences, they will escalate. How many murders do they have to commit before you start paying attention?

Who says it is without consequence? Most of this is occurring in a very small areas (though the RW media insists entire cities are burning and people everywhere being murdered) - worst have been charged and will be prosecuted. The man who pulled the guy from his car and attacked him is in jail (and apparently has a record of prior violence).

Shooting is not an acceptable consequence for disorderly conduct.

No, it's not. This assault on common decency is ripping the heart out of at least four major cities. It is a LIE that the rioting is small and localised. Portland's downtown is shuttered, the same for Seattle and Minneapolis, and significant parts of New York as well.

This is not localized. Why do you perpetuate these lies? Anyone can look at the THOUSANDS of videos being posted up, every day, and see what is really happening. You have to be willfully ignorant, and only watch CNN to be this misinformed.

I never watch CNN. I do not have cable. I do not use twitter, instagram, nor do I derive my news from FB.

Videos don't tell a whole story, and can often be used to perpetrate a lie. I see the point with Portland (though I will further research it - for instance - where did that map of arson come from? Is that all arsons for that period of time? Or, just those related to protests? What is the timeline - for instance were there many at the start and then they dwindled? How widespread is it NOW? Why doesn't anyone ask questions?

If people are mostly videoing and virally spreading only the violent clashes, and ignoring the (boring) mostly peaceful ones, then doesn't that perpetrate a false sense of what is going on?

Who's agenda is at stake perpetrating THAT? How can you get facts? Are agitators from both sides trying to hijack these movements to start a war? According to the FBI many protests involve outside elements. And them...there is what is going on online. But we're so dug down into left/right we could be failing to see larger patterns.

Here is an article from 7/28/2020 illustrating how both sides are using this to their advantage.

The Portland Protests Are a War Zoneâbut Only on the Internet

What's happening in the streets isn't what you're seeing in the tweets.

www.wired.com

Protests in Portland following the killing of Floyd, an unarmed Black man who died in the custody of Minneapolis police in May, had dwindled to maybe 100 peaceful demonstrators per night before President Trump sent federal agents to the city, ostensibly to protect US government property.

Trump and his backers assert that the deployments are necessary to curb unrest in cities that have become anarchic war zones. You’d be hard-pressed to prove that’s true in Portland if you bothered to look anywhere but Lownsdale Square at midnight. (The only disruptive anarchists in my neighborhood are the crows in my garden.) If any widespread, persistent Portland protest war zone does exist, it isn’t in physical space at all. It’s online.

Anything that happens during a Portland protest happens in front of at least one camera and will end up on the internet. The crowd is full of smartphones. Men in press helmets climb up streetlights with expensive rigs to get a better view. People at the protest pulled up livestreams to see what was happening at the front of the crowd, squinting to see if the Feds had left their fortress yet. The federal agents watched those livestreams too. Ergo, anything that happens at a Portland protest is meme fodder and a chance for good or bad online PR.


So tell me again how accurate videos are? When I said that the Portland Protests were mostly confined to one area - it was true. By the time Trump decided to send in his militia - it was Lowesten Square. It was winding down.

Cell phone cameras are the bane of the left. The left depends on the complacent and complicit press to filter events, as long as AP were deciding what people could know, the left had absolutely control. But now anyone with a phone can record events as they happen. And yes, YouTube can censor and suppress, but then other sites just host it.

You can scream "who will you believe, our GLORIOUS party press, or you own lying eyes," but to no avail.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It's all about the framing folks. Our agenda-driven media ALWAYS labels a group as right wing, but NEVER as left wing. When leftist thugs indulge in violence, our media minimizes it, distracts from it, ignores it, refuses to attribute it to ideology, and flat out lies about it. In those much more rare occurrences where there is violence from the right, our media maximizes it, tries to create the impression it is supported more than it is, attaches it to right wing ideology and obsesses over it.

It is as plan as the nose on all of our faces, yet people who are too stupid to see it just allow themselves to be conditioned by it like the good little automatons they are.