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Whoopee. They won’t like to pay for expensive European Ag products...too many socialist rules and regulations there. Mexico and South America will continue to buy U.S. grain...they can’t feed their fucking own people.We got them by the short hairs.In retaliation for Trump’s tariffs and his trashing of NAFTA, Mexico is negotiating an agreement to buy their wheat, corn, rice and soy beans from Argentina. They’re also negotiating with the EU and they’re a party to TPP.
Canada has already signed a big trade deal with the EU, as well as the TPP and I’m seeing more produce from South America and even South Africa in my grocery store.
Trump called Justin Trudeau “weak” and the following Monday the House of Commons unanimously commended Trudeau for standing up to Trump and gave him their unconditional support in fighting for Canada’s interests.
Canadians don’t take well to being bullied.
Wal-Mart pushed a race to the bottom and US jobs to China. Wal-Mart is un-American. Fuck China...they are putting the profits they make in our market into their military. Sure...let them build a military so they can kill American service men and women when the war comes.He stands for communities hurt by globalization.These are the same idiots that supported NAFTA as well as exporting job to China as well. These economists do not understand that what is good for Wall Street...isn’t always good for Main Street.Any economist worth his salt knows that tariffs are inflationary and that it hurts the working man/woman the hardest because, as in the case of china, cheap goods that the working folks count on will rise in price across the board. Just as the Tax giveaway to himself will be borne by the poor and working class through cuts to the programs they depend on to keep their heads above water. It's already well underway with cuts to food stamps, propose soc sec cuts, medicare/medicaid and expansion etc. Those who thought the tax bill would be helpful are in for a rude awakening.
Trump stands for Trump. For you to believe he actually cares about the middle class tells me why you were dumb enough to vote for that tool.
Is Wal-Mart Good for America?
Are you really that clueless? Walmart? Working folks shop there because Walmart scans the planet for cheap goods. Places like China. His moronic trade wars will cut deep into those things working people care about. All to feed his sick ego. I'll bet you even think the Tax (reform) was aimed at the middle class, right? LOL
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!Wal-Mart pushed a race to the bottom and US jobs to China. Wal-Mart is un-American. Fuck China...they are putting the profits they make in our market into their military. Sure...let them build a military so they can kill American service men and women when the war comes.He stands for communities hurt by globalization.These are the same idiots that supported NAFTA as well as exporting job to China as well. These economists do not understand that what is good for Wall Street...isn’t always good for Main Street.
Trump stands for Trump. For you to believe he actually cares about the middle class tells me why you were dumb enough to vote for that tool.
Is Wal-Mart Good for America?
Are you really that clueless? Walmart? Working folks shop there because Walmart scans the planet for cheap goods. Places like China. His moronic trade wars will cut deep into those things working people care about. All to feed his sick ego. I'll bet you even think the Tax (reform) was aimed at the middle class, right? LOL
China isn’t putting money into their military. They’re putting it into infrastructure projects around the world. Their buying roads, ports, and trade routes in Africa, South America and Asia to create trade routes connecting China to its trading partners.
One Belt One Road Initiative - Wikipedia
As for Walmart, if you are shopping at Walmart, you’re as much to blame as they are.
The DiplomatWal-Mart pushed a race to the bottom and US jobs to China. Wal-Mart is un-American. Fuck China...they are putting the profits they make in our market into their military. Sure...let them build a military so they can kill American service men and women when the war comes.He stands for communities hurt by globalization.These are the same idiots that supported NAFTA as well as exporting job to China as well. These economists do not understand that what is good for Wall Street...isn’t always good for Main Street.
Trump stands for Trump. For you to believe he actually cares about the middle class tells me why you were dumb enough to vote for that tool.
Is Wal-Mart Good for America?
Are you really that clueless? Walmart? Working folks shop there because Walmart scans the planet for cheap goods. Places like China. His moronic trade wars will cut deep into those things working people care about. All to feed his sick ego. I'll bet you even think the Tax (reform) was aimed at the middle class, right? LOL
China isn’t putting money into their military. They’re putting it into infrastructure projects around the world. Their buying roads, ports, and trade routes in Africa, South America and Asia to create trade routes connecting China to its trading partners.
One Belt One Road Initiative - Wikipedia
As for Walmart, if you are shopping at Walmart, you’re as much to blame as they are.
Whoopee. They won’t like to pay for expensive European Ag products...too many socialist rules and regulations there. Mexico and South America will continue to buy U.S. grain...they can’t feed their fucking own people.We got them by the short hairs.In retaliation for Trump’s tariffs and his trashing of NAFTA, Mexico is negotiating an agreement to buy their wheat, corn, rice and soy beans from Argentina. They’re also negotiating with the EU and they’re a party to TPP.
Canada has already signed a big trade deal with the EU, as well as the TPP and I’m seeing more produce from South America and even South Africa in my grocery store.
Trump called Justin Trudeau “weak” and the following Monday the House of Commons unanimously commended Trudeau for standing up to Trump and gave him their unconditional support in fighting for Canada’s interests.
Canadians don’t take well to being bullied.
Sure you do socialist.Whoopee. They won’t like to pay for expensive European Ag products...too many socialist rules and regulations there. Mexico and South America will continue to buy U.S. grain...they can’t feed their fucking own people.We got them by the short hairs.In retaliation for Trump’s tariffs and his trashing of NAFTA, Mexico is negotiating an agreement to buy their wheat, corn, rice and soy beans from Argentina. They’re also negotiating with the EU and they’re a party to TPP.
Canada has already signed a big trade deal with the EU, as well as the TPP and I’m seeing more produce from South America and even South Africa in my grocery store.
Trump called Justin Trudeau “weak” and the following Monday the House of Commons unanimously commended Trudeau for standing up to Trump and gave him their unconditional support in fighting for Canada’s interests.
Canadians don’t take well to being bullied.
No you don’t. As for the European Ag products, we have many of the same rules here. Monsanto is pure evil and many of your pesticides are banned here as are the growth hormones in your beef. Genetic modified foods are required to be labelled.
We LOVE the Euro Agro rules.
Think of the taxes factory workers and steel workers pay? I can tell you about crumbling schools in Rust Belt. Trump is on right track.These are the same idiots that supported NAFTA as well as exporting job to China as well. These economists do not understand that what is good for Wall Street...isn’t always good for Main Street.And against the American soy and sorghum farmer.
Any economist worth his salt knows that tariffs are inflationary and that it hurts the working man/woman the hardest because, as in the case of china, cheap goods that the working folks count on will rise in price across the board. Just as the Tax giveaway to himself will be borne by the poor and working class through cuts to the programs they depend on to keep their heads above water. It's already well underway with cuts to food stamps, propose soc sec cuts, medicare/medicaid and expansion etc. Those who thought the tax bill would be helpful are in for a rude awakening.
I love how every right wing idiot, who hasn’t the vaguest clue of how the economy works are now all rah rah rah for tariffs. Sadly, your idiot Oresident isn’t any better informed than you are.
Globalism and free trade made America the richest country in the world. If your trading partners are screwing you over, they’re doing a really poor job of it.
The World Trade Organization, which Trump decries as “unfair” was established and set up by the USA in accordance with American trade policies. I doubt Trump knows that either since he doesn’t read anything and has no idea of history at all.
Tariffs are taxes that are passed on to consumers. The tariffs you’re cheering are going to raise prices on American made cars, motorcycles, canned goods, household appliances and tools - anything containing steel or aluminum.
They’ll raise prices paid by American consumers on clothing, electronics, and household goods manufactured in China.
Trump could have run a “Buy American” campaign, with ads touting the benefits of buying products made at home, keeping their dollars at home and providing employment to their neighbours.
Last but not least, by slapping tariffs on certain products, and not others, Trump is picking winners and losers in the economy. Trump is trying to kick start jobs in the steel industry by slapping tariffs on steel and aluminum,
It is estimated that 30,000 jobs will be created in the steel industry. This would be wonderful news if those 30,000 steel production jobs didn’t come at the expense of 150,000 jobs lost in manufacturing due to the higher steel and aluminum costs. Harley Davidson is the first big exporter to be forced offshore by Trump’s tariffs but they won’t be the last.
Trump’s economic plan seems to be trying to move the USA backwards, not ahead. He’s trying to force consumers to buy electricity from coal fired electrical plants. It’s more expensive than power derived from natural gas fired plants, and increases pollution.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to retrain coal miners to do some of the 6 million jobs that remain unfilled because US workers lack the skills to do them?
Yeah, I had this discussion with another Trumper who said it won't have that much of an effect on prices. I said, look around your house and see all the products you buy that contain steel or aluminum. Then tell me how little the effect on the middle class will be. And I'm sure Trump is just getting started on his know nothing tour of our economy and by extension, our lives. Next will be fabrics, foods not grown here, Plastic, electronics etc etc. That bone we were thrown under so-called tax reform will be gone in no time and at least that same amount will be lost in future moronic tariffs. And, because the vast bulk of money from that stupid tax giveaway to himself will have to be made up, it will be done on the backs of the working poor, elderly, disabled etc. It's already well under way. All the young folks on here who worship the orange god, will find out how much he cares about them when they're ready to retire or when they are disabled or when they have kids and see healthcare costs zoom out of sight. It will be at that point that they'll become smart enough to become Democrats.
The DiplomatWal-Mart pushed a race to the bottom and US jobs to China. Wal-Mart is un-American. Fuck China...they are putting the profits they make in our market into their military. Sure...let them build a military so they can kill American service men and women when the war comes.He stands for communities hurt by globalization.Trump stands for Trump. For you to believe he actually cares about the middle class tells me why you were dumb enough to vote for that tool.
Is Wal-Mart Good for America?
Are you really that clueless? Walmart? Working folks shop there because Walmart scans the planet for cheap goods. Places like China. His moronic trade wars will cut deep into those things working people care about. All to feed his sick ego. I'll bet you even think the Tax (reform) was aimed at the middle class, right? LOL
China isn’t putting money into their military. They’re putting it into infrastructure projects around the world. Their buying roads, ports, and trade routes in Africa, South America and Asia to create trade routes connecting China to its trading partners.
One Belt One Road Initiative - Wikipedia
As for Walmart, if you are shopping at Walmart, you’re as much to blame as they are.
China is building the shit out of its military. They are a threat.
Think of the taxes factory workers and steel workers pay? I can tell you about crumbling schools in Rust Belt. Trump is on right track.These are the same idiots that supported NAFTA as well as exporting job to China as well. These economists do not understand that what is good for Wall Street...isn’t always good for Main Street.Any economist worth his salt knows that tariffs are inflationary and that it hurts the working man/woman the hardest because, as in the case of china, cheap goods that the working folks count on will rise in price across the board. Just as the Tax giveaway to himself will be borne by the poor and working class through cuts to the programs they depend on to keep their heads above water. It's already well underway with cuts to food stamps, propose soc sec cuts, medicare/medicaid and expansion etc. Those who thought the tax bill would be helpful are in for a rude awakening.
I love how every right wing idiot, who hasn’t the vaguest clue of how the economy works are now all rah rah rah for tariffs. Sadly, your idiot Oresident isn’t any better informed than you are.
Globalism and free trade made America the richest country in the world. If your trading partners are screwing you over, they’re doing a really poor job of it.
The World Trade Organization, which Trump decries as “unfair” was established and set up by the USA in accordance with American trade policies. I doubt Trump knows that either since he doesn’t read anything and has no idea of history at all.
Tariffs are taxes that are passed on to consumers. The tariffs you’re cheering are going to raise prices on American made cars, motorcycles, canned goods, household appliances and tools - anything containing steel or aluminum.
They’ll raise prices paid by American consumers on clothing, electronics, and household goods manufactured in China.
Trump could have run a “Buy American” campaign, with ads touting the benefits of buying products made at home, keeping their dollars at home and providing employment to their neighbours.
Last but not least, by slapping tariffs on certain products, and not others, Trump is picking winners and losers in the economy. Trump is trying to kick start jobs in the steel industry by slapping tariffs on steel and aluminum,
It is estimated that 30,000 jobs will be created in the steel industry. This would be wonderful news if those 30,000 steel production jobs didn’t come at the expense of 150,000 jobs lost in manufacturing due to the higher steel and aluminum costs. Harley Davidson is the first big exporter to be forced offshore by Trump’s tariffs but they won’t be the last.
Trump’s economic plan seems to be trying to move the USA backwards, not ahead. He’s trying to force consumers to buy electricity from coal fired electrical plants. It’s more expensive than power derived from natural gas fired plants, and increases pollution.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to retrain coal miners to do some of the 6 million jobs that remain unfilled because US workers lack the skills to do them?
Yeah, I had this discussion with another Trumper who said it won't have that much of an effect on prices. I said, look around your house and see all the products you buy that contain steel or aluminum. Then tell me how little the effect on the middle class will be. And I'm sure Trump is just getting started on his know nothing tour of our economy and by extension, our lives. Next will be fabrics, foods not grown here, Plastic, electronics etc etc. That bone we were thrown under so-called tax reform will be gone in no time and at least that same amount will be lost in future moronic tariffs. And, because the vast bulk of money from that stupid tax giveaway to himself will have to be made up, it will be done on the backs of the working poor, elderly, disabled etc. It's already well under way. All the young folks on here who worship the orange god, will find out how much he cares about them when they're ready to retire or when they are disabled or when they have kids and see healthcare costs zoom out of sight. It will be at that point that they'll become smart enough to become Democrats.
Trump's steel tariffs just scored a $5 billion dollar win, the UK folded like a cheap lawn chair and is reopening a USA steel plant, bringing 300 USA steel jobs back, and investing $5 billion dollars in the USA
The DiplomatWal-Mart pushed a race to the bottom and US jobs to China. Wal-Mart is un-American. Fuck China...they are putting the profits they make in our market into their military. Sure...let them build a military so they can kill American service men and women when the war comes.He stands for communities hurt by globalization.
Is Wal-Mart Good for America?
Are you really that clueless? Walmart? Working folks shop there because Walmart scans the planet for cheap goods. Places like China. His moronic trade wars will cut deep into those things working people care about. All to feed his sick ego. I'll bet you even think the Tax (reform) was aimed at the middle class, right? LOL
China isn’t putting money into their military. They’re putting it into infrastructure projects around the world. Their buying roads, ports, and trade routes in Africa, South America and Asia to create trade routes connecting China to its trading partners.
One Belt One Road Initiative - Wikipedia
As for Walmart, if you are shopping at Walmart, you’re as much to blame as they are.
China is building the shit out of its military. They are a threat.
While I thank you for that information, China isn’t a threat.
Right wingers see everything as a threat. I’ve never seen such a frightened bunch in my life. The US is a far bigger threat to world peace than China. And China doesn’t need to attack the US, it just needs to wait another couple of years and your economy is going to go into serious decline because of Trumps policies.
If you had a brain, you’d be more worried about the Chinese buying up your corporations than a military attack. Or the combined effect of the tax cuts and exploding deficit.
China is paying for their military build up. The USA is putting their military build up on the credit card and interest rates are rising.
When U.S. steel is produced here and is competitive with Asian steel...who the fuck are other industries going to buy from? They going pay to ship it from China...or send it by train from Cleveland?
When U.S. steel is produced here and is competitive with Asian steel...who the fuck are other industries going to buy from? They going pay to ship it from China...or send it by train from Cleveland?
When U.S. steel is produced here and is competitive with Asian steel...who the fuck are other industries going to buy from? They going pay to ship it from China...or send it by train from Cleveland?
, Everyone, but less of it.who the fuck are other industries going to buy from?
/——/ Harley isn’t leaving the US, they are opening a plant in EU to sell bikes to them. They will still be manufacturing in the US you blithering idiot./——/ You incompetent boobs had it your way for decades and only screwed thing royally. Now get out of the way and let President Trump fix things.Great. We've been needing a good trade war. MAGA!!!!
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You mean like he fixed the Harley manufacturing plants, or the few coal jobs? Harley is leaving the US, and because of gutting the EPA and tax breaks for corporations, coal companies are better off, but coal workers haven't seen the return of all those jobs.
/——/ Harley isn’t leaving the US, they are opening a plant in EU to sell bikes to them. They will still be manufacturing in the US you blithering idiot./——/ You incompetent boobs had it your way for decades and only screwed thing royally. Now get out of the way and let President Trump fix things.Great. We've been needing a good trade war. MAGA!!!!
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You mean like he fixed the Harley manufacturing plants, or the few coal jobs? Harley is leaving the US, and because of gutting the EPA and tax breaks for corporations, coal companies are better off, but coal workers haven't seen the return of all those jobs.
Again:
In greater detail, let’s summarize the outcomes from protectionist trade policy in the form of steel tariffs: 1) Domestic steelmakers will win with higher steel prices, higher profits and share prices (U.S. Steel’s stock has nearly doubled since January 1), and greater market share, but 2) Domestic steel-using manufacturers will lose because of higher input prices, lower profits, and possibly reduced sales and market share) and 3) Millions of American consumers and businesses will lose when they now pay higher prices for everything that contains steel, including cars, appliances, tractors, tools, construction materials, wind turbines, forklifts, pipelines, and airplanes.
US steel tariffs: A case study in protectionism, economic losses on net, and 'legal plunder' - AEI
That's what the Free Traders said back in the 80s.
Their policy did not give US the results promised.
Time to admit failure and move on.
Trump asked Michigan, WI & PA what they had to lose by voting for him. How about Harley Davidson?
Harley-Davidson says it plans to move production of motorcycles it sells in Europe overseas in response to growing trade friction between the United States and Europe.
European officials last week imposed stiff tariffs on a wide range of U.S.-made goods sold within the European Union. The response came to President Trump's recent decision to slap tariffs on European imports.
In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Monday, Harley-Davidson said the tariffs imposed by the EU "would have an immediate and lasting detrimental impact to its business in the region."
The company reported $5.65 billion in revenues last year and Europe is its largest overseas market, with almost 40,000 customers buying motorcycles there in 2017.
The European tariffs have jumped from 6 percent to 31 percent, the company said. That increase will add on average $2,200 to the cost of each motorcycle sold in the EU, and would cost the company $90 million to $100 million a year, the filing said.
"Increasing international production to alleviate the EU tariff burden is not the company's preference, but represents the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to customers in the EU and maintain a viable business in Europe," the filing said.
The company did not say where production would be shifted, or how many jobs might be affected, but said the move would take nine to 18 months to complete.
It also did not say which U.S. factories would be affected. The company's U.S. factories are in York, Pa.; Kansas City, Mo., and Menomonee Falls, Wis.
I can see what trumps doing isn’t working. Can you see that? Now sell me on why this will be good in the long runAgain:
In greater detail, let’s summarize the outcomes from protectionist trade policy in the form of steel tariffs: 1) Domestic steelmakers will win with higher steel prices, higher profits and share prices (U.S. Steel’s stock has nearly doubled since January 1), and greater market share, but 2) Domestic steel-using manufacturers will lose because of higher input prices, lower profits, and possibly reduced sales and market share) and 3) Millions of American consumers and businesses will lose when they now pay higher prices for everything that contains steel, including cars, appliances, tractors, tools, construction materials, wind turbines, forklifts, pipelines, and airplanes.
US steel tariffs: A case study in protectionism, economic losses on net, and 'legal plunder' - AEI
That's what the Free Traders said back in the 80s.
Their policy did not give US the results promised.
Time to admit failure and move on.
Trump asked Michigan, WI & PA what they had to lose by voting for him. How about Harley Davidson?
Harley-Davidson says it plans to move production of motorcycles it sells in Europe overseas in response to growing trade friction between the United States and Europe.
European officials last week imposed stiff tariffs on a wide range of U.S.-made goods sold within the European Union. The response came to President Trump's recent decision to slap tariffs on European imports.
In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Monday, Harley-Davidson said the tariffs imposed by the EU "would have an immediate and lasting detrimental impact to its business in the region."
The company reported $5.65 billion in revenues last year and Europe is its largest overseas market, with almost 40,000 customers buying motorcycles there in 2017.
The European tariffs have jumped from 6 percent to 31 percent, the company said. That increase will add on average $2,200 to the cost of each motorcycle sold in the EU, and would cost the company $90 million to $100 million a year, the filing said.
"Increasing international production to alleviate the EU tariff burden is not the company's preference, but represents the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to customers in the EU and maintain a viable business in Europe," the filing said.
The company did not say where production would be shifted, or how many jobs might be affected, but said the move would take nine to 18 months to complete.
It also did not say which U.S. factories would be affected. The company's U.S. factories are in York, Pa.; Kansas City, Mo., and Menomonee Falls, Wis.
There is a serious internal contradiction in this.
People opposed to Trump doing this, have been denying that Trade Deficits/surpluses matter, or that significant jobs can be brought back.
So, when you point out that our trading partners are reacting strongly, you are supporting the idea that trade balance DOES matter, or at least our trading partners think so,
and when you point out to possible job losses due to trade barriers, you support the idea that we have lost jobs to such trade barrier to our trading partners markets.
Can you see that?
/——/ Yeah I get that but numbnuts said the company is moving to Europe. They aren’t. You don’t get that?/——/ Harley isn’t leaving the US, they are opening a plant in EU to sell bikes to them. They will still be manufacturing in the US you blithering idiot./——/ You incompetent boobs had it your way for decades and only screwed thing royally. Now get out of the way and let President Trump fix things.Great. We've been needing a good trade war. MAGA!!!!
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You mean like he fixed the Harley manufacturing plants, or the few coal jobs? Harley is leaving the US, and because of gutting the EPA and tax breaks for corporations, coal companies are better off, but coal workers haven't seen the return of all those jobs.
Bikes sold in the EU have always been built here. Those jobs will go away. You don't get that?
