President Trump announces new tariffs: 25% for steel, 10% for aluminum

[BULLDOG]

Great. We've been needing a good trade war. MAGA!!!!
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/——/ You incompetent boobs had it your way for decades and only screwed thing royally. Now get out of the way and let President Trump fix things.

You mean like he fixed the Harley manufacturing plants, or the few coal jobs? Harley is leaving the US, and because of gutting the EPA and tax breaks for corporations, coal companies are better off, but coal workers haven't seen the return of all those jobs.

/——/ Harley isn’t leaving the US, they are opening a plant in EU to sell bikes to them. They will still be manufacturing in the US you blithering idiot.

Bikes sold in the EU have always been built here. Those jobs will go away. You don't get that?

/——/ Yeah I get that but numbnuts said the company is moving to Europe. They aren’t. You don’t get that?

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/——/ You incompetent boobs had it your way for decades and only screwed thing royally. Now get out of the way and let President Trump fix things.

You mean like he fixed the Harley manufacturing plants, or the few coal jobs? Harley is leaving the US, and because of gutting the EPA and tax breaks for corporations, coal companies are better off, but coal workers haven't seen the return of all those jobs.

/——/ Harley isn’t leaving the US, they are opening a plant in EU to sell bikes to them. They will still be manufacturing in the US you blithering idiot.

Bikes sold in the EU have always been built here. Those jobs will go away. You don't get that?

/——/ Yeah I get that but numbnuts said the company is moving to Europe. They aren’t. You don’t get that?

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

 

[BULLDOG]

You mean like he fixed the Harley manufacturing plants, or the few coal jobs? Harley is leaving the US, and because of gutting the EPA and tax breaks for corporations, coal companies are better off, but coal workers haven't seen the return of all those jobs.

/——/ Harley isn’t leaving the US, they are opening a plant in EU to sell bikes to them. They will still be manufacturing in the US you blithering idiot.

Bikes sold in the EU have always been built here. Those jobs will go away. You don't get that?

/——/ Yeah I get that but numbnuts said the company is moving to Europe. They aren’t. You don’t get that?

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

The Harley employees whose jobs are leaving the country might not agree with you.

 

[Correll]

Again:
In greater detail, let’s summarize the outcomes from protectionist trade policy in the form of steel tariffs: 1) Domestic steelmakers will win with higher steel prices, higher profits and share prices (U.S. Steel’s stock has nearly doubled since January 1), and greater market share, but 2) Domestic steel-using manufacturers will lose because of higher input prices, lower profits, and possibly reduced sales and market share) and 3) Millions of American consumers and businesses will lose when they now pay higher prices for everything that contains steel, including cars, appliances, tractors, tools, construction materials, wind turbines, forklifts, pipelines, and airplanes.

US steel tariffs: A case study in protectionism, economic losses on net, and 'legal plunder' - AEI

That's what the Free Traders said back in the 80s.


Their policy did not give US the results promised.


Time to admit failure and move on.

Trump asked Michigan, WI & PA what they had to lose by voting for him. How about Harley Davidson?

Harley-Davidson says it plans to move production of motorcycles it sells in Europe overseas in response to growing trade friction between the United States and Europe.

European officials last week imposed stiff tariffs on a wide range of U.S.-made goods sold within the European Union. The response came to President Trump's recent decision to slap tariffs on European imports.

In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Monday, Harley-Davidson said the tariffs imposed by the EU "would have an immediate and lasting detrimental impact to its business in the region."

The company reported $5.65 billion in revenues last year and Europe is its largest overseas market, with almost 40,000 customers buying motorcycles there in 2017.

The European tariffs have jumped from 6 percent to 31 percent, the company said. That increase will add on average $2,200 to the cost of each motorcycle sold in the EU, and would cost the company $90 million to $100 million a year, the filing said.

"Increasing international production to alleviate the EU tariff burden is not the company's preference, but represents the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to customers in the EU and maintain a viable business in Europe," the filing said.

The company did not say where production would be shifted, or how many jobs might be affected, but said the move would take nine to 18 months to complete.

It also did not say which U.S. factories would be affected. The company's U.S. factories are in York, Pa.; Kansas City, Mo., and Menomonee Falls, Wis.

There is a serious internal contradiction in this.



People opposed to Trump doing this, have been denying that Trade Deficits/surpluses matter, or that significant jobs can be brought back.


So, when you point out that our trading partners are reacting strongly, you are supporting the idea that trade balance DOES matter, or at least our trading partners think so,


and when you point out to possible job losses due to trade barriers, you support the idea that we have lost jobs to such trade barrier to our trading partners markets.



Can you see that?

I can see what trumps doing isn’t working. Can you see that? Now sell me on why this will be good in the long run

Seems early to pass judgment.


Riddle me this, if trade balance doesn't matter, than why are our trading partners upset that Trump is trying to change it, and why do you post potential job losses as evidence of failure?

 

[Cellblock2429]

/——/ Harley isn’t leaving the US, they are opening a plant in EU to sell bikes to them. They will still be manufacturing in the US you blithering idiot.

Bikes sold in the EU have always been built here. Those jobs will go away. You don't get that?

/——/ Yeah I get that but numbnuts said the company is moving to Europe. They aren’t. You don’t get that?

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

The Harley employees whose jobs are leaving the country might not agree with you.

/----/ Yes, it's tough that they will lose their jobs but they MIGHT agree Trump is doing a better job than Obozo. Besides it was HD's decision, not Trumps.:
Manufacturers Are Hiring, and Hiring
Over the past year, according to today's employment report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the sector has added 222,000 jobs.
Still, that's higher than manufacturing's 8.5 percent share of total nonfarm payroll employment. The manufacturing sector is adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy, which hasn't happened much over the past half century. Manufacturing jobs pay better than other jobs ($900.55 in average weekly earnings for production and non-supervisory employees in February, versus $757.12 for the private sector as a whole). They also tend to have multiplier effects that most service jobs don't, creating other jobs and income in their wake. So a booming manufacturing sector is a very good thing.

 

[BULLDOG]

Bikes sold in the EU have always been built here. Those jobs will go away. You don't get that?

/——/ Yeah I get that but numbnuts said the company is moving to Europe. They aren’t. You don’t get that?

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

The Harley employees whose jobs are leaving the country might not agree with you.

/----/ Yes, it's tough that they will lose their jobs but they MIGHT agree Trump is doing a better job than Obozo. Besides it was HD's decision, not Trumps.:
Manufacturers Are Hiring, and Hiring
Over the past year, according to today's employment report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the sector has added 222,000 jobs.
Still, that's higher than manufacturing's 8.5 percent share of total nonfarm payroll employment. The manufacturing sector is adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy, which hasn't happened much over the past half century. Manufacturing jobs pay better than other jobs ($900.55 in average weekly earnings for production and non-supervisory employees in February, versus $757.12 for the private sector as a whole). They also tend to have multiplier effects that most service jobs don't, creating other jobs and income in their wake. So a booming manufacturing sector is a very good thing.

Stay here and lose millions because of Trump's crap or go where he can;t cost them so much money. Sure, some decision.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/——/ Yeah I get that but numbnuts said the company is moving to Europe. They aren’t. You don’t get that?

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

The Harley employees whose jobs are leaving the country might not agree with you.

/----/ Yes, it's tough that they will lose their jobs but they MIGHT agree Trump is doing a better job than Obozo. Besides it was HD's decision, not Trumps.:
Manufacturers Are Hiring, and Hiring
Over the past year, according to today's employment report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the sector has added 222,000 jobs.
Still, that's higher than manufacturing's 8.5 percent share of total nonfarm payroll employment. The manufacturing sector is adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy, which hasn't happened much over the past half century. Manufacturing jobs pay better than other jobs ($900.55 in average weekly earnings for production and non-supervisory employees in February, versus $757.12 for the private sector as a whole). They also tend to have multiplier effects that most service jobs don't, creating other jobs and income in their wake. So a booming manufacturing sector is a very good thing.

Stay here and lose millions because of Trump's crap or go where he can;t cost them so much money. Sure, some decision.

/----/ What crap? Standing up for America? You mean that crap?
And where is your Fake Outrage towards the EU for increasing the tariffs?
The motorcycle maker said the European Union tariffs on the company’s motorcycles increased to 31% from 6%, and will increase the cost of the the average motorcycle to the EU for the U.S. by about $2,200. Despite the tariffs the company said that it would not raise prices.

 

[Correll]

Bikes sold in the EU have always been built here. Those jobs will go away. You don't get that?

/——/ Yeah I get that but numbnuts said the company is moving to Europe. They aren’t. You don’t get that?

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

The Harley employees whose jobs are leaving the country might not agree with you.

/----/ Yes, it's tough that they will lose their jobs but they MIGHT agree Trump is doing a better job than Obozo. Besides it was HD's decision, not Trumps.:
Manufacturers Are Hiring, and Hiring
Over the past year, according to today's employment report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the sector has added 222,000 jobs.
Still, that's higher than manufacturing's 8.5 percent share of total nonfarm payroll employment. The manufacturing sector is adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy, which hasn't happened much over the past half century. Manufacturing jobs pay better than other jobs ($900.55 in average weekly earnings for production and non-supervisory employees in February, versus $757.12 for the private sector as a whole). They also tend to have multiplier effects that most service jobs don't, creating other jobs and income in their wake. So a booming manufacturing sector is a very good thing.

THAT is very encouraging. Very much so.


I look forward to seeing where and to what this additional production is going.


Are they increasing their share of the US market? Or increasing exports? Both? Neither?

 

[BULLDOG]

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

The Harley employees whose jobs are leaving the country might not agree with you.

/----/ Yes, it's tough that they will lose their jobs but they MIGHT agree Trump is doing a better job than Obozo. Besides it was HD's decision, not Trumps.:
Manufacturers Are Hiring, and Hiring
Over the past year, according to today's employment report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the sector has added 222,000 jobs.
Still, that's higher than manufacturing's 8.5 percent share of total nonfarm payroll employment. The manufacturing sector is adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy, which hasn't happened much over the past half century. Manufacturing jobs pay better than other jobs ($900.55 in average weekly earnings for production and non-supervisory employees in February, versus $757.12 for the private sector as a whole). They also tend to have multiplier effects that most service jobs don't, creating other jobs and income in their wake. So a booming manufacturing sector is a very good thing.

Stay here and lose millions because of Trump's crap or go where he can;t cost them so much money. Sure, some decision.

/----/ What crap? Standing up for America? You mean that crap?
And where is your Fake Outrage towards the EU for increasing the tariffs?
The motorcycle maker said the European Union tariffs on the company’s motorcycles increased to 31% from 6%, and will increase the cost of the the average motorcycle to the EU for the U.S. by about $2,200. Despite the tariffs the company said that it would not raise prices.

I wonder why they increased their tariffs? I thought China was hurting us. Trump is trying to help China while pissing off our allies. What a goober.

 

[Correll]

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

The Harley employees whose jobs are leaving the country might not agree with you.

/----/ Yes, it's tough that they will lose their jobs but they MIGHT agree Trump is doing a better job than Obozo. Besides it was HD's decision, not Trumps.:
Manufacturers Are Hiring, and Hiring
Over the past year, according to today's employment report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the sector has added 222,000 jobs.
Still, that's higher than manufacturing's 8.5 percent share of total nonfarm payroll employment. The manufacturing sector is adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy, which hasn't happened much over the past half century. Manufacturing jobs pay better than other jobs ($900.55 in average weekly earnings for production and non-supervisory employees in February, versus $757.12 for the private sector as a whole). They also tend to have multiplier effects that most service jobs don't, creating other jobs and income in their wake. So a booming manufacturing sector is a very good thing.

Stay here and lose millions because of Trump's crap or go where he can;t cost them so much money. Sure, some decision.

/----/ What crap? Standing up for America? You mean that crap?
And where is your Fake Outrage towards the EU for increasing the tariffs?
The motorcycle maker said the European Union tariffs on the company’s motorcycles increased to 31% from 6%, and will increase the cost of the the average motorcycle to the EU for the U.S. by about $2,200. Despite the tariffs the company said that it would not raise prices.

I've commented on this before.


There is a strange disconnect in the argument AGAINST Trump on Trade.



They claim that Trade Balance doesn't matter,


yet support our trading partners attempts to prevent changing the trade balance. Which they claim does not matter.



THey dismiss concerns about job loss due to globalization, yet support our trading partners attempt to hold on to THEIR manufacturing jobs.


ect ect ect.

 

[Wickerthing]

Again:
In greater detail, let’s summarize the outcomes from protectionist trade policy in the form of steel tariffs: 1) Domestic steelmakers will win with higher steel prices, higher profits and share prices (U.S. Steel’s stock has nearly doubled since January 1), and greater market share, but 2) Domestic steel-using manufacturers will lose because of higher input prices, lower profits, and possibly reduced sales and market share) and 3) Millions of American consumers and businesses will lose when they now pay higher prices for everything that contains steel, including cars, appliances, tractors, tools, construction materials, wind turbines, forklifts, pipelines, and airplanes.

US steel tariffs: A case study in protectionism, economic losses on net, and 'legal plunder' - AEI

That's what the Free Traders said back in the 80s.


Their policy did not give US the results promised.


Time to admit failure and move on.

Trump asked Michigan, WI & PA what they had to lose by voting for him. How about Harley Davidson?

Harley-Davidson says it plans to move production of motorcycles it sells in Europe overseas in response to growing trade friction between the United States and Europe.

European officials last week imposed stiff tariffs on a wide range of U.S.-made goods sold within the European Union. The response came to President Trump's recent decision to slap tariffs on European imports.

In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Monday, Harley-Davidson said the tariffs imposed by the EU "would have an immediate and lasting detrimental impact to its business in the region."

The company reported $5.65 billion in revenues last year and Europe is its largest overseas market, with almost 40,000 customers buying motorcycles there in 2017.

The European tariffs have jumped from 6 percent to 31 percent, the company said. That increase will add on average $2,200 to the cost of each motorcycle sold in the EU, and would cost the company $90 million to $100 million a year, the filing said.

"Increasing international production to alleviate the EU tariff burden is not the company's preference, but represents the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to customers in the EU and maintain a viable business in Europe," the filing said.

The company did not say where production would be shifted, or how many jobs might be affected, but said the move would take nine to 18 months to complete.

It also did not say which U.S. factories would be affected. The company's U.S. factories are in York, Pa.; Kansas City, Mo., and Menomonee Falls, Wis.

There is a serious internal contradiction in this.



People opposed to Trump doing this, have been denying that Trade Deficits/surpluses matter, or that significant jobs can be brought back.


So, when you point out that our trading partners are reacting strongly, you are supporting the idea that trade balance DOES matter, or at least our trading partners think so,


and when you point out to possible job losses due to trade barriers, you support the idea that we have lost jobs to such trade barrier to our trading partners markets.



Can you see that?

I can see what trumps doing isn’t working. Can you see that? Now sell me on why this will be good in the long run

Seems early to pass judgment.


Riddle me this, if trade balance doesn't matter, than why are our trading partners upset that Trump is trying to change it, and why do you post potential job losses as evidence of failure?

You've got to be joking, right?

 

[Cellblock2429]

/——/ Yeah I get that but numbnuts said the company is moving to Europe. They aren’t. You don’t get that?

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

The Harley employees whose jobs are leaving the country might not agree with you.

/----/ Yes, it's tough that they will lose their jobs but they MIGHT agree Trump is doing a better job than Obozo. Besides it was HD's decision, not Trumps.:
Manufacturers Are Hiring, and Hiring
Over the past year, according to today's employment report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the sector has added 222,000 jobs.
Still, that's higher than manufacturing's 8.5 percent share of total nonfarm payroll employment. The manufacturing sector is adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy, which hasn't happened much over the past half century. Manufacturing jobs pay better than other jobs ($900.55 in average weekly earnings for production and non-supervisory employees in February, versus $757.12 for the private sector as a whole). They also tend to have multiplier effects that most service jobs don't, creating other jobs and income in their wake. So a booming manufacturing sector is a very good thing.

Stay here and lose millions because of Trump's crap or go where he can;t cost them so much money. Sure, some decision.

/----/ Funny stuff since democRATs were pressuring Trump to impose steel tariffs in 2017:
Democrats Pressure Trump to Fulfill Promise to Impose Steel Tariffs
Democrats Pressure Trump to Fulfill Promise to Impose Steel Tariffs

• Oct. 26, 2017

WASHINGTON — Frustration over President Trump’s delay in imposing the stiff tariffs he has promised on imports of foreign steel and aluminum is morphing into a fight over two of Mr. Trump’s trade policy nominees.

 

[BluesLegend]

300 jobs. Big whoop. Picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants.

^^^ typical sour puss liberal thinks 300 good paying jobs for the middle class isn't important. Let me guess you have some government job paid for by the taxpayers?

 

[Dragonlady]

300 jobs. Big whoop. Picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants.

^^^ typical sour puss liberal thinks 300 good paying jobs for the middle class isn't important. Let me guess you have some government job paid for by the taxpayers?

So you consider the loss of 1500 good paying middle class jobs in manufacturing a reasonable price to pay for those 300 steel mill jobs. That’s a loss of 1200 good paying middle class jobs.

Like I said, picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants.

 

[Correll]

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

The Harley employees whose jobs are leaving the country might not agree with you.

/----/ Yes, it's tough that they will lose their jobs but they MIGHT agree Trump is doing a better job than Obozo. Besides it was HD's decision, not Trumps.:
Manufacturers Are Hiring, and Hiring
Over the past year, according to today's employment report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the sector has added 222,000 jobs.
Still, that's higher than manufacturing's 8.5 percent share of total nonfarm payroll employment. The manufacturing sector is adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy, which hasn't happened much over the past half century. Manufacturing jobs pay better than other jobs ($900.55 in average weekly earnings for production and non-supervisory employees in February, versus $757.12 for the private sector as a whole). They also tend to have multiplier effects that most service jobs don't, creating other jobs and income in their wake. So a booming manufacturing sector is a very good thing.

Stay here and lose millions because of Trump's crap or go where he can;t cost them so much money. Sure, some decision.

/----/ What crap? Standing up for America? You mean that crap?
And where is your Fake Outrage towards the EU for increasing the tariffs?
The motorcycle maker said the European Union tariffs on the company’s motorcycles increased to 31% from 6%, and will increase the cost of the the average motorcycle to the EU for the U.S. by about $2,200. Despite the tariffs the company said that it would not raise prices.

I wonder why they increased their tariffs? I thought China was hurting us. Trump is trying to help China while pissing off our allies. What a goober.

They increased their tariffs, because they believe that Trade Deficits and Surpluses matter.


And Trump is moving on Europe first, because of China's successful strategy of using the threat of nuclear weapons for diplomatic advantage.


IMO, Trump was wrong to fall for it, but fall for it he did.

 

[Correll]

That's what the Free Traders said back in the 80s.


Their policy did not give US the results promised.


Time to admit failure and move on.

Trump asked Michigan, WI & PA what they had to lose by voting for him. How about Harley Davidson?

Harley-Davidson says it plans to move production of motorcycles it sells in Europe overseas in response to growing trade friction between the United States and Europe.

European officials last week imposed stiff tariffs on a wide range of U.S.-made goods sold within the European Union. The response came to President Trump's recent decision to slap tariffs on European imports.

In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Monday, Harley-Davidson said the tariffs imposed by the EU "would have an immediate and lasting detrimental impact to its business in the region."

The company reported $5.65 billion in revenues last year and Europe is its largest overseas market, with almost 40,000 customers buying motorcycles there in 2017.

The European tariffs have jumped from 6 percent to 31 percent, the company said. That increase will add on average $2,200 to the cost of each motorcycle sold in the EU, and would cost the company $90 million to $100 million a year, the filing said.

"Increasing international production to alleviate the EU tariff burden is not the company's preference, but represents the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to customers in the EU and maintain a viable business in Europe," the filing said.

The company did not say where production would be shifted, or how many jobs might be affected, but said the move would take nine to 18 months to complete.

It also did not say which U.S. factories would be affected. The company's U.S. factories are in York, Pa.; Kansas City, Mo., and Menomonee Falls, Wis.

There is a serious internal contradiction in this.



People opposed to Trump doing this, have been denying that Trade Deficits/surpluses matter, or that significant jobs can be brought back.


So, when you point out that our trading partners are reacting strongly, you are supporting the idea that trade balance DOES matter, or at least our trading partners think so,


and when you point out to possible job losses due to trade barriers, you support the idea that we have lost jobs to such trade barrier to our trading partners markets.



Can you see that?

I can see what trumps doing isn’t working. Can you see that? Now sell me on why this will be good in the long run

Seems early to pass judgment.


Riddle me this, if trade balance doesn't matter, than why are our trading partners upset that Trump is trying to change it, and why do you post potential job losses as evidence of failure?

You've got to be joking, right?

Excellent filibustering. You managed to convey disagreement, but without saying any substantial that a neutral reader could see was obvious bullshit.


For example, if you claimed that our trade partners are NOT upset that Trump is trying to bring the jobs back, any sane reader would be able to realize that that was nonsense, that our trading partners ARE upset and trying to hold on to those jobs.



You are correct to avoid making any actual points. Your side's position in this is indefensible.

 

[sealybobo]

Again:
In greater detail, let’s summarize the outcomes from protectionist trade policy in the form of steel tariffs: 1) Domestic steelmakers will win with higher steel prices, higher profits and share prices (U.S. Steel’s stock has nearly doubled since January 1), and greater market share, but 2) Domestic steel-using manufacturers will lose because of higher input prices, lower profits, and possibly reduced sales and market share) and 3) Millions of American consumers and businesses will lose when they now pay higher prices for everything that contains steel, including cars, appliances, tractors, tools, construction materials, wind turbines, forklifts, pipelines, and airplanes.

US steel tariffs: A case study in protectionism, economic losses on net, and 'legal plunder' - AEI

That's what the Free Traders said back in the 80s.


Their policy did not give US the results promised.


Time to admit failure and move on.

Trump asked Michigan, WI & PA what they had to lose by voting for him. How about Harley Davidson?

Harley-Davidson says it plans to move production of motorcycles it sells in Europe overseas in response to growing trade friction between the United States and Europe.

European officials last week imposed stiff tariffs on a wide range of U.S.-made goods sold within the European Union. The response came to President Trump's recent decision to slap tariffs on European imports.

In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Monday, Harley-Davidson said the tariffs imposed by the EU "would have an immediate and lasting detrimental impact to its business in the region."

The company reported $5.65 billion in revenues last year and Europe is its largest overseas market, with almost 40,000 customers buying motorcycles there in 2017.

The European tariffs have jumped from 6 percent to 31 percent, the company said. That increase will add on average $2,200 to the cost of each motorcycle sold in the EU, and would cost the company $90 million to $100 million a year, the filing said.

"Increasing international production to alleviate the EU tariff burden is not the company's preference, but represents the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to customers in the EU and maintain a viable business in Europe," the filing said.

The company did not say where production would be shifted, or how many jobs might be affected, but said the move would take nine to 18 months to complete.

It also did not say which U.S. factories would be affected. The company's U.S. factories are in York, Pa.; Kansas City, Mo., and Menomonee Falls, Wis.

There is a serious internal contradiction in this.



People opposed to Trump doing this, have been denying that Trade Deficits/surpluses matter, or that significant jobs can be brought back.


So, when you point out that our trading partners are reacting strongly, you are supporting the idea that trade balance DOES matter, or at least our trading partners think so,


and when you point out to possible job losses due to trade barriers, you support the idea that we have lost jobs to such trade barrier to our trading partners markets.



Can you see that?

I can see what trumps doing isn’t working. Can you see that? Now sell me on why this will be good in the long run

Seems early to pass judgment.


Riddle me this, if trade balance doesn't matter, than why are our trading partners upset that Trump is trying to change it, and why do you post potential job losses as evidence of failure?

Seems too early to pass judgement? Tell that to the Trumpbots who claim Trump has made America great again for the middle class.

Trade balance matters. China watches way more American movies than we watch Chinese movies. Are you ready to start watching Godzilla and Jackie Chan movies?

Riddle me this. How come Trumps tariffs are sending Harley Davidson overseas? Not bringing companies back home. Or are you hoping that companies that want to sell to America will then be forced to move to America? So what European company is moving into the abandoned Harley plants?

 

[sealybobo]

Lots of the jobs are, Thanks Trump.

/——-/ you’re welcome. Trump is protecting US interests for the first time. Only libtards think policies should be one size fits all.

The Harley employees whose jobs are leaving the country might not agree with you.

/----/ Yes, it's tough that they will lose their jobs but they MIGHT agree Trump is doing a better job than Obozo. Besides it was HD's decision, not Trumps.:
Manufacturers Are Hiring, and Hiring
Over the past year, according to today's employment report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the sector has added 222,000 jobs.
Still, that's higher than manufacturing's 8.5 percent share of total nonfarm payroll employment. The manufacturing sector is adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy, which hasn't happened much over the past half century. Manufacturing jobs pay better than other jobs ($900.55 in average weekly earnings for production and non-supervisory employees in February, versus $757.12 for the private sector as a whole). They also tend to have multiplier effects that most service jobs don't, creating other jobs and income in their wake. So a booming manufacturing sector is a very good thing.

Stay here and lose millions because of Trump's crap or go where he can;t cost them so much money. Sure, some decision.

/----/ Funny stuff since democRATs were pressuring Trump to impose steel tariffs in 2017:
Democrats Pressure Trump to Fulfill Promise to Impose Steel Tariffs
Democrats Pressure Trump to Fulfill Promise to Impose Steel Tariffs

• 
  
  
  • Oct. 26, 2017

WASHINGTON — Frustration over President Trump’s delay in imposing the stiff tariffs he has promised on imports of foreign steel and aluminum is morphing into a fight over two of Mr. Trump’s trade policy nominees.

Classic Republicans blaming Democrats for what Republicans do. Classic!

 

[DOTR]

So much for the free market conservatives.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

Who was it claimed to be a free market conservative?

 

[DOTR]

he just fullfilled another campaign promise!

Trump announces steel and aluminum tariffs Thursday over objections from advisers and Republicans

he just fullfilled another campaign promise!

Trump announces steel and aluminum tariffs Thursday over objections from advisers and Republicans