President Trump backs new bill to give nationwide right to conceal carry

[Faun]

Why should states that have taken responsibility and legislated to reduce the number of guns on their streets be hamstrung by a few lunatic Wild West States?

Where are all the small government Conservatives? Should some rural states dictate policy for states populated by educated people?

What if the most lenient states where marijuana is concerned started calling the tune for the Lawrence Welk belt?

Since when do you give shit about the 10th Amendment......I agree states should make their own laws, but the ones that don't allow concealed carry are unconstitutional.

Explain how laws restricting concealed carry are unconstitutional

Shall not be abridged.......it's pretty clear

”abridged??”



You think the 2nd Amendment has been shortened?

 

[Preacher]

Trump backs controversial new bill that would give nationwide right to carry concealed gun
Awesome! I hope it passes.

LOLOL

You fucking idiot.

That was a bill from 2017 and it went nowhere. Now it’s expired.

H.R.38 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

Looks like once again, you’re a day late and a dollar short.

Gee that was only covered on page ONE! As I also said that Cornyn from Texas has introduced the same thing again this year.

 

[Nosmo King]

Why should states that have taken responsibility and legislated to reduce the number of guns on their streets be hamstrung by a few lunatic Wild West States?

Where are all the small government Conservatives? Should some rural states dictate policy for states populated by educated people?

What if the most lenient states where marijuana is concerned started calling the tune for the Lawrence Welk belt?

Since when do you give shit about the 10th Amendment......I agree states should make their own laws, but the ones that don't allow concealed carry are unconstitutional.

Explain how laws restricting concealed carry are unconstitutional

Shall not be abridged.......it's pretty clear

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

 

[Faun]

Trump backs controversial new bill that would give nationwide right to carry concealed gun
Awesome! I hope it passes.

LOLOL

You fucking idiot.

That was a bill from 2017 and it went nowhere. Now it’s expired.

H.R.38 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

Looks like once again, you’re a day late and a dollar short.

Gee that was only covered on page ONE! As I also said that Cornyn from Texas has introduced the same thing again this year.

Ah, you mean after falling for an outdated article, you had to redeem your thread?

Regardless of your ignorance, this bill does not make conceal carry a nationwide right. States still have the authority on whether or not people can carry a concealed firearm. In other words, a person can’t carry a concealed firearm into a state that doesn’t allow conceal carry. This bill doesn’t give anyone the right to supersede a state’s law.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why should states that have taken responsibility and legislated to reduce the number of guns on their streets be hamstrung by a few lunatic Wild West States?

Where are all the small government Conservatives? Should some rural states dictate policy for states populated by educated people?

What if the most lenient states where marijuana is concerned started calling the tune for the Lawrence Welk belt?

Since when do you give shit about the 10th Amendment......I agree states should make their own laws, but the ones that don't allow concealed carry are unconstitutional.

Explain how laws restricting concealed carry are unconstitutional

Shall not be abridged.......it's pretty clear

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

 

[Brain357]

Why should states that have taken responsibility and legislated to reduce the number of guns on their streets be hamstrung by a few lunatic Wild West States?

Where are all the small government Conservatives? Should some rural states dictate policy for states populated by educated people?

What if the most lenient states where marijuana is concerned started calling the tune for the Lawrence Welk belt?

Since when do you give shit about the 10th Amendment......I agree states should make their own laws, but the ones that don't allow concealed carry are unconstitutional.

Explain how laws restricting concealed carry are unconstitutional

Shall not be abridged.......it's pretty clear

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Since when do you give shit about the 10th Amendment......I agree states should make their own laws, but the ones that don't allow concealed carry are unconstitutional.

Explain how laws restricting concealed carry are unconstitutional

Shall not be abridged.......it's pretty clear

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

 

[Brain357]

Explain how laws restricting concealed carry are unconstitutional

Shall not be abridged.......it's pretty clear

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

 

[Rustic]

Shall not be abridged.......it's pretty clear

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

People kill people not firearms dumbass

 

[Brain357]

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

People kill people not firearms dumbass

And people with access to firearms kill a lot more people than those that don't have access. FACT.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Shall not be abridged.......it's pretty clear

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

Lawful means they are within the law. Killing somebody who is breaking into your home is lawful. Accidental deaths are not against the law, they are accidental. Suicides are not illegal because of the obvious reasons. In other words, your link is fudged data with nothing to back it up.

Here, try some honest data for a change.

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

 

[Brain357]

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

Lawful means they are within the law. Killing somebody who is breaking into your home is lawful. Accidental deaths are not against the law, they are accidental. Suicides are not illegal because of the obvious reasons. In other words, your link is fudged data with nothing to back it up.

Here, try some honest data for a change.

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

They have even been mass killers! The link I said explain all of them in detail.

 

[Nosmo King]

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

Lawful means they are within the law. Killing somebody who is breaking into your home is lawful. Accidental deaths are not against the law, they are accidental. Suicides are not illegal because of the obvious reasons. In other words, your link is fudged data with nothing to back it up.

Here, try some honest data for a change.

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

There seems to be many ways to rationalize a bullet wound.

 

[Brain357]

You may still have your crutch...err, gun. Just not in public places where it could impose danger to public health and safety.

And it’s infringed, not abridged

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

Lawful means they are within the law. Killing somebody who is breaking into your home is lawful. Accidental deaths are not against the law, they are accidental. Suicides are not illegal because of the obvious reasons. In other words, your link is fudged data with nothing to back it up.

Here, try some honest data for a change.

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

John Lott? Haha. That guy is a complete joke and his name is on 99% of pro gun studies. Some real study info.

In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, as well as in other published articles, John Lott claims that RTC laws save lives and reduce violent crime. Lott argues that when more law-abiding citizens carry guns, more crimes will be deterred or successfully interrupted. Importantly, he contends that those who can legally own guns have such low rates of criminal offending, that the net effect of RTC laws and more legal gun carrying is to significantly lower rates of violent crime.
Lott’s research to support these claims, however, has been found to be flawed in many important ways.6,7,8,9 When those flaws are corrected, no crime-reducing effects of RTC laws are evident.
The most comprehensive, and arguably most rigorous, study on the effects of RTC laws was recently published by economists John Donohue
(Stanford), Abhay Aneja (University of California, Berkeley), and Kyle Weber (Columbia). Donohue and colleagues found that violent crime rates increased with each additional year a RTC law was in place, presumably as more people were carrying guns on their person and in their vehicles.b,10 By years 7 through 10 following the adoption of a RTC law, violent crime rates were 11% to 14% higher than predicted had such laws not been in place. After controlling for changes in incarceration rates and the number of police per capita, RTC laws were associated with a 10% higher murder rate 10 years following the adoption of RTC laws.11 This is consistent with findings from a prior study showing that violent crime increased with each year an RTC law was in place 12 and a recent study that found RTC laws are associated with a 10.6% increase in homicides committed with handguns. 13

https://www.jhsph.edu/research/cent.../publications/concealed-carry-of-firearms.pdf

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Too bad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

CCW carriers are the most law abiding in the country. In fact, CCW carriers have less people convicted of a crime on average than our police.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

Lawful means they are within the law. Killing somebody who is breaking into your home is lawful. Accidental deaths are not against the law, they are accidental. Suicides are not illegal because of the obvious reasons. In other words, your link is fudged data with nothing to back it up.

Here, try some honest data for a change.

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

John Lott? Haha. That guy is a complete joke and his name is on 99% of pro gun studies. Some real study info.

In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, as well as in other published articles, John Lott claims that RTC laws save lives and reduce violent crime. Lott argues that when more law-abiding citizens carry guns, more crimes will be deterred or successfully interrupted. Importantly, he contends that those who can legally own guns have such low rates of criminal offending, that the net effect of RTC laws and more legal gun carrying is to significantly lower rates of violent crime.
Lott’s research to support these claims, however, has been found to be flawed in many important ways.6,7,8,9 When those flaws are corrected, no crime-reducing effects of RTC laws are evident.
The most comprehensive, and arguably most rigorous, study on the effects of RTC laws was recently published by economists John Donohue
(Stanford), Abhay Aneja (University of California, Berkeley), and Kyle Weber (Columbia). Donohue and colleagues found that violent crime rates increased with each additional year a RTC law was in place, presumably as more people were carrying guns on their person and in their vehicles.b,10 By years 7 through 10 following the adoption of a RTC law, violent crime rates were 11% to 14% higher than predicted had such laws not been in place. After controlling for changes in incarceration rates and the number of police per capita, RTC laws were associated with a 10% higher murder rate 10 years following the adoption of RTC laws.11 This is consistent with findings from a prior study showing that violent crime increased with each year an RTC law was in place 12 and a recent study that found RTC laws are associated with a 10.6% increase in homicides committed with handguns. 13

https://www.jhsph.edu/research/cent.../publications/concealed-carry-of-firearms.pdf

Just what you posted shows that the article is biased and even fake. That is unless you believe their report is more accurate than FBI statistics.

 

[Brain357]

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

Lawful means they are within the law. Killing somebody who is breaking into your home is lawful. Accidental deaths are not against the law, they are accidental. Suicides are not illegal because of the obvious reasons. In other words, your link is fudged data with nothing to back it up.

Here, try some honest data for a change.

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

John Lott? Haha. That guy is a complete joke and his name is on 99% of pro gun studies. Some real study info.

In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, as well as in other published articles, John Lott claims that RTC laws save lives and reduce violent crime. Lott argues that when more law-abiding citizens carry guns, more crimes will be deterred or successfully interrupted. Importantly, he contends that those who can legally own guns have such low rates of criminal offending, that the net effect of RTC laws and more legal gun carrying is to significantly lower rates of violent crime.
Lott’s research to support these claims, however, has been found to be flawed in many important ways.6,7,8,9 When those flaws are corrected, no crime-reducing effects of RTC laws are evident.
The most comprehensive, and arguably most rigorous, study on the effects of RTC laws was recently published by economists John Donohue
(Stanford), Abhay Aneja (University of California, Berkeley), and Kyle Weber (Columbia). Donohue and colleagues found that violent crime rates increased with each additional year a RTC law was in place, presumably as more people were carrying guns on their person and in their vehicles.b,10 By years 7 through 10 following the adoption of a RTC law, violent crime rates were 11% to 14% higher than predicted had such laws not been in place. After controlling for changes in incarceration rates and the number of police per capita, RTC laws were associated with a 10% higher murder rate 10 years following the adoption of RTC laws.11 This is consistent with findings from a prior study showing that violent crime increased with each year an RTC law was in place 12 and a recent study that found RTC laws are associated with a 10.6% increase in homicides committed with handguns. 13

https://www.jhsph.edu/research/cent.../publications/concealed-carry-of-firearms.pdf

Just what you posted shows that the article is biased and even fake. That is unless you believe their report is more accurate than FBI statistics.

View attachment 248220

Funny you should post that. The Brady bill was passed at the end of 1993. The graph clearly shows how effective it was. Thanks.

 

[Brain357]

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

Lawful means they are within the law. Killing somebody who is breaking into your home is lawful. Accidental deaths are not against the law, they are accidental. Suicides are not illegal because of the obvious reasons. In other words, your link is fudged data with nothing to back it up.

Here, try some honest data for a change.

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

John Lott? Haha. That guy is a complete joke and his name is on 99% of pro gun studies. Some real study info.

In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, as well as in other published articles, John Lott claims that RTC laws save lives and reduce violent crime. Lott argues that when more law-abiding citizens carry guns, more crimes will be deterred or successfully interrupted. Importantly, he contends that those who can legally own guns have such low rates of criminal offending, that the net effect of RTC laws and more legal gun carrying is to significantly lower rates of violent crime.
Lott’s research to support these claims, however, has been found to be flawed in many important ways.6,7,8,9 When those flaws are corrected, no crime-reducing effects of RTC laws are evident.
The most comprehensive, and arguably most rigorous, study on the effects of RTC laws was recently published by economists John Donohue
(Stanford), Abhay Aneja (University of California, Berkeley), and Kyle Weber (Columbia). Donohue and colleagues found that violent crime rates increased with each additional year a RTC law was in place, presumably as more people were carrying guns on their person and in their vehicles.b,10 By years 7 through 10 following the adoption of a RTC law, violent crime rates were 11% to 14% higher than predicted had such laws not been in place. After controlling for changes in incarceration rates and the number of police per capita, RTC laws were associated with a 10% higher murder rate 10 years following the adoption of RTC laws.11 This is consistent with findings from a prior study showing that violent crime increased with each year an RTC law was in place 12 and a recent study that found RTC laws are associated with a 10.6% increase in homicides committed with handguns. 13

https://www.jhsph.edu/research/cent.../publications/concealed-carry-of-firearms.pdf

Just what you posted shows that the article is biased and even fake. That is unless you believe their report is more accurate than FBI statistics.

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Wisconsin is fairly new to concealed carry. Lets check how they are doing. They got carry at the end of 2011. Violent crime rates:
2011: 249.9
2012: 283.9
2013: 280.7
2014: 291.1
2015: 304.3
2016: 305.9
Ouch. Quite the gain since ccw.

Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

Lawful means they are within the law. Killing somebody who is breaking into your home is lawful. Accidental deaths are not against the law, they are accidental. Suicides are not illegal because of the obvious reasons. In other words, your link is fudged data with nothing to back it up.

Here, try some honest data for a change.

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

John Lott? Haha. That guy is a complete joke and his name is on 99% of pro gun studies. Some real study info.

In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, as well as in other published articles, John Lott claims that RTC laws save lives and reduce violent crime. Lott argues that when more law-abiding citizens carry guns, more crimes will be deterred or successfully interrupted. Importantly, he contends that those who can legally own guns have such low rates of criminal offending, that the net effect of RTC laws and more legal gun carrying is to significantly lower rates of violent crime.
Lott’s research to support these claims, however, has been found to be flawed in many important ways.6,7,8,9 When those flaws are corrected, no crime-reducing effects of RTC laws are evident.
The most comprehensive, and arguably most rigorous, study on the effects of RTC laws was recently published by economists John Donohue
(Stanford), Abhay Aneja (University of California, Berkeley), and Kyle Weber (Columbia). Donohue and colleagues found that violent crime rates increased with each additional year a RTC law was in place, presumably as more people were carrying guns on their person and in their vehicles.b,10 By years 7 through 10 following the adoption of a RTC law, violent crime rates were 11% to 14% higher than predicted had such laws not been in place. After controlling for changes in incarceration rates and the number of police per capita, RTC laws were associated with a 10% higher murder rate 10 years following the adoption of RTC laws.11 This is consistent with findings from a prior study showing that violent crime increased with each year an RTC law was in place 12 and a recent study that found RTC laws are associated with a 10.6% increase in homicides committed with handguns. 13

https://www.jhsph.edu/research/cent.../publications/concealed-carry-of-firearms.pdf

Just what you posted shows that the article is biased and even fake. That is unless you believe their report is more accurate than FBI statistics.

View attachment 248220

Funny you should post that. The Brady bill was passed at the end of 1993. The graph clearly shows how effective it was. Thanks.

What the graph shows is that it was at it's height and going down before 1993. Furthermore all studies have shown it had no positive effect. The gun ban expired in 2004, and violent crime continued to decline until the Ferguson Effect kicked in at 2014 when police quit being proactive in their duties.

If the gun ban had any impact, violent crime would have reversed itself within a year or two. So why the continued decline? Because more states adopted CCW laws and laws that favored the shooter during that same period.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You should read your own links instead of Goggling something and getting excited about a headline. From your post:

These incidents include homicides, suicides, mass shootings, murder-suicides, lethal attacks on law enforcement, and unintentional deaths.

A homicide is not considered a murder, it's the killing of another human being which could be legal or illegal. Suicides are the number two cause of death by any means in the country outside of diseases or terminal illnesses. Just because a person had a CCW does not mean they were under CCW laws at the time. If a guy kills his wife and then himself at home, it has nothing to do with having a CCW license.

In other words, your link is BS and fudged.

You claimed they are so lawful. I proved they kill a lot of people. You lose.

Lawful means they are within the law. Killing somebody who is breaking into your home is lawful. Accidental deaths are not against the law, they are accidental. Suicides are not illegal because of the obvious reasons. In other words, your link is fudged data with nothing to back it up.

Here, try some honest data for a change.

Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country

John Lott? Haha. That guy is a complete joke and his name is on 99% of pro gun studies. Some real study info.

In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, as well as in other published articles, John Lott claims that RTC laws save lives and reduce violent crime. Lott argues that when more law-abiding citizens carry guns, more crimes will be deterred or successfully interrupted. Importantly, he contends that those who can legally own guns have such low rates of criminal offending, that the net effect of RTC laws and more legal gun carrying is to significantly lower rates of violent crime.
Lott’s research to support these claims, however, has been found to be flawed in many important ways.6,7,8,9 When those flaws are corrected, no crime-reducing effects of RTC laws are evident.
The most comprehensive, and arguably most rigorous, study on the effects of RTC laws was recently published by economists John Donohue
(Stanford), Abhay Aneja (University of California, Berkeley), and Kyle Weber (Columbia). Donohue and colleagues found that violent crime rates increased with each additional year a RTC law was in place, presumably as more people were carrying guns on their person and in their vehicles.b,10 By years 7 through 10 following the adoption of a RTC law, violent crime rates were 11% to 14% higher than predicted had such laws not been in place. After controlling for changes in incarceration rates and the number of police per capita, RTC laws were associated with a 10% higher murder rate 10 years following the adoption of RTC laws.11 This is consistent with findings from a prior study showing that violent crime increased with each year an RTC law was in place 12 and a recent study that found RTC laws are associated with a 10.6% increase in homicides committed with handguns. 13

https://www.jhsph.edu/research/cent.../publications/concealed-carry-of-firearms.pdf

Just what you posted shows that the article is biased and even fake. That is unless you believe their report is more accurate than FBI statistics.

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Wisconsin is fairly new to concealed carry. Lets check how they are doing. They got carry at the end of 2011. Violent crime rates:
2011: 249.9
2012: 283.9
2013: 280.7
2014: 291.1
2015: 304.3
2016: 305.9
Ouch. Quite the gain since ccw.

Wisconsin Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

Which is also proportional to the demographics change in the state as well.

 

[Blues Man]

------------------------------ the way i see things is that every American has the right to own every one of the issued Small Arms issued and carried by the individual American Combat Soldier . [and that doesn't include 'nukes' as thats the next thing you guys bring up Playtime ] But checkout Arizona's Dry Crick' machine gun shoot as it looks to be just a group of 'M.G. Owners' that just got together for the shoot and barbecue on a long weekend . It tickles me to show that one to you guys as its my favorite . As far as Machine Gun shoots , they are conducted here where i live 2 - 4 times yearly , usually on long weekends . And see 'machine gun shoots' on the internet PTime .

uh-huh. again, that is insane. oh btw.... i believe in the right to bear arms within reason - i have fire arms in my home, am married to a Marine who is a hunter; & the creator of the AR 15 said even those machines shouldn't be available for the GP & that isn't even a fully automatic weapon.

--------------------------------------- second Amendment has nothing to do with Hunting , Target Shooting or Arms Collecting . And who cares what the Creator of the AR15 thinks of the suitability of the AR15 in the hands of Americans Playtime ?? The Creator sounds like some big name retired USA 'generals' and their anti gun opinions mean nothing to me . They are simply Taxpayer Paid Public Servants or my employees with an opinion and they are nothing Special PTime .

a glock ain't for target practice, pismoeeeeee.................

Sure it is

I use my Glock 19 at the range all the time

* just * for target practice.

Why not?

I prefer handguns to rifles

any gun can be just for target practice. In fact all my handguns have been just for target practice as I have never used them in any other capacity